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Fri Feb 13, 2015, 11:46 PM

Did Bill Maher just basically support anti vaxxers?

What the hell is he thinking. He's gone off the rail lately. Now he's trashing ACA.

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Reply Did Bill Maher just basically support anti vaxxers? (Original post)
onecaliberal Feb 2015 OP
CincyDem Feb 2015 #1
onecaliberal Feb 2015 #2
Marie Marie Feb 2015 #3
MissDeeds Feb 2015 #4
NuclearDem Feb 2015 #5
X_Digger Feb 2015 #6
SunSeeker Feb 2015 #7
applegrove Feb 2015 #8
onecaliberal Feb 2015 #10
applegrove Feb 2015 #13
jamzrockz Feb 2015 #33
NuclearDem Feb 2015 #37
joshcryer Feb 2015 #15
applegrove Feb 2015 #16
onecaliberal Feb 2015 #18
Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #35
applegrove Feb 2015 #36
chrisa Feb 2015 #34
appalachiablue Feb 2015 #9
onecaliberal Feb 2015 #11
mwrguy Feb 2015 #12
Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #14
pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #17
Archae Feb 2015 #19
vankuria Feb 2015 #29
NuclearDem Feb 2015 #24
Avalux Feb 2015 #31
Archae Feb 2015 #20
One of the 99 Feb 2015 #21
Marrah_G Feb 2015 #22
onecaliberal Feb 2015 #23
zappaman Feb 2015 #25
randys1 Feb 2015 #26
Name removed Feb 2015 #27
Paladin Feb 2015 #28
Avalux Feb 2015 #30
Name removed Feb 2015 #32

Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Fri Feb 13, 2015, 11:47 PM

1. Sure seemed like it. The Mrs. and I were both in "WTF did he say ???" mode. n/t

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Response to CincyDem (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 13, 2015, 11:48 PM

2. He's been pretty far off the reservation lately.

He's hard for me to take anyway because he such a misogynist.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 13, 2015, 11:54 PM

3. Yes, at times his misogyny borders on crude and disgusting.

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 12:29 AM

4. He's spent too much time

 

at the Playboy Mansion. Enough said.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 12:33 AM

5. Doesn't just support anti-vaxxers, he practically is one.

 

For someone who loves to ridicule RWers on climate change and evolution, he takes some really bonkers positions on vaccines and germ theory.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 12:42 AM

6. Yeah, Bill's a moronic idiot on vaccines.

Thinks that vaccines 'damage' the body.

Why, him and his healthy eating and copious pot smoking make him nigh invulnerable to disease, don'cha know?

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 12:52 AM

7. His Libertarianism shows itself in these idiotic positions.

That and his craven attempt to stay "edgy."

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 12:58 AM

8. The point he was trying to make was that immune

systems get better with practice fighting off bugs. That isn't there a point at which we should not vaccinate to give the body and the immune system exercise. He uses the flu vaccine as the example. But it is already only recommended only for the populations most vulnerable to death by flu. And it is optional. I agree that small children should play in dirt to gin up their immune systems.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 02:48 AM

10. We enjoy herd immunity which is quickly fading because anti vaxxers

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 02:58 AM

13. I agree.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 02:44 PM

33. Do you even know what herd immunity is?

 

I don't think it means what you think it means. It cannot prevent the immune-suppressed or unvaccinated from getting infected. It just provides protection to society(as a whole) against an outbreak when the pathogen emerges. We most like have enough herd immunity to protect against a pandemic since the infection we had just affected a few pockets of people in society i.e. not a pandemic which is herd immunity's doing its job.

Btw, the video of the segment is below for anybody who wants to hear what was said directly from his mouth.

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Response to jamzrockz (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 04:49 PM

37. "We most like have enough herd immunity"

 

First of all, there's either herd immunity, or not.

Second, we had zero cases of measles in 2000, and then a bunch of idiots bought Wakefield's nonsense, and ever since we've had anywhere from dozens to hundreds of cases per year.

Herd immunity means the outbreak doesn't happen in the first place. There shouldn't have been any degree of measles outbreak in the 21st century in the US.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 04:10 AM

15. Vaccines literally give the immune system practice to fight off bugs.

Literally. That is their entire purpose.

Blaming anti-biotic resistance in some superbugs on anti-biotic in animals for food is fine, because there is a link there. That has zero relation to viruses.

Bill said he'd rather be exposed to measles than to anti-biotic treated food. Red herring.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 04:14 AM

16. True that.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:00 AM

18. ^^^^ Fact

I'm so sick of all the twisted bullshit.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 03:22 PM

35. That whole thing he keeps saying about "give the immune system a chance to work out"....

...is so sadly uninformed it makes me nuts.

When you get a vaccine, your are using the immune system so it knows how to recognize and fight of a specific pathogen when or if it encounters the real thing so it doesn't have to start from scratch trying to figure out how to produce antibodies to kill the pathogen.

I just don't understand where he is coming from on this.

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 04:40 PM

36. I hear you. I don't know if the viruses given are alive or dead

when one is immunized. I think they can be either.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 03:04 PM

34. For less harmful diseases that might sense. For polio or smallpox, not so much.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 12:59 AM

9. He said we need the profit out of health care, have a universal system. That wasn't possible.

ACA is a lot better than we had. Don't know what planet he's on tonite. And the anti vaxx? This segment was sloppy opinion, unprepared and uninformed. And a shame since the last two shows were very good. Second time he's brought up antibiotic resistance and UTIs.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 02:50 AM

11. It was terrible.

He said there was no scientific studies proving the effectiveness of vaccines.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 03:07 AM

14. Bill does not understand a lot of science

and is too lazy to learn it. Sad really.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 05:58 AM

17. not exactly. i am sorta with him. he is pro IMMUNE system over science only.

look at the depression era & greatest generation who survived all the bugs without vaccines.

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Response to pansypoo53219 (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:11 AM

19. And look at all those who DIDN'T.

Find a graveyard with stones that go back past the early 1950's, you'll find many tombstones of children.
Most died before they were 10.

The human immune system isn't run with magic, it reacts to invaders on the cellular level.

Vaccinations "train" our immune system, to recognize and destroy germs.
Before they can cause damage.

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Response to Archae (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 01:57 PM

29. Not to mention

all the babies born to mom's who had measles while pregnant. They had severe disabilities, I know because I worked with them.

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Response to pansypoo53219 (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 12:00 PM

24. The entire point of vaccines is to boost the body's immune system

 

You also seem to be in favor of natural selection over basic humanity.

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Response to pansypoo53219 (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 02:11 PM

31. Do you remember diptheria?

Of course you don't.

My grandmother grew up with that horrible infection, and when an outbreak occurred in her town, they quarantined people; nailed signs over their doors and made them stay inside. She never got it, but several of her classmates died from it.

People who are "pro" immune system and create a false argument that vaccination is bad because it keeps people from getting a disease in the first place, which is somehow better, are just plain ignorant.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:16 AM

20. Maher once again shows what an asshole he is.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:23 AM

21. Maher is a hypocrite on many issues

He's also a bit of a racist. Anytime he has an African-American on the show who speaks forcefully or passionately on a subject, Maher starts calling him Reverend. And don't forget he referred to then Senator Obama as chocolate jesus throughout the 2008 campaign.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:45 AM

22. Partially yes

I like his show. I agree with him on some things and disagree on others. I like the guests and the banter.

He was pushing for single payor instead of the ACA, a view that many progressives have on DU and off DU. Just saying he was trashing the ACA is disingenuous.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:54 AM

23. No it's not.

He should refrain from conjecture. He rails against the media but then acts as though everything they say about ACA is true. He should stick to facts, his guests had to correct him several times.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 12:13 PM

25. Yes, he is and it's stunning how stupid he is on this.

I love when he tried to compare it with having too many kids....wtf?

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 12:22 PM

26. What report was he reading that was indeed trashing ACA? My hope is that ACA will be seen

as a good idea, nice idea, but not working so we need universal.

When will people start ignoring laws because they cant be healthy or have food?

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Sat Feb 14, 2015, 12:24 PM

28. Maher has repeatedly shown his solidarity with the anti-vax morons.

This year's flu vaccines weren't 110% effective, and off he goes. Shit for brains.....

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sat Feb 14, 2015, 02:06 PM

30. Bill Maher schtick is controversy. He goes off the rail all the time.

He's not here to be a rational voice speaking out against the idiots. Sometimes he joins them.

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