Take the pledge not to support right wing candidates in 2016

[Ramses]

Is the politician pro war? They dont get my vote
Is the candidate for disaster Capitalism? They dont get my vote
Is the candidate for spying on Americans? They dont get my vote
Is the candidate a tool of Wall Street? They dont get my vote
Is the candidate pro TPP? They dont get my vote
Is the candidate for fracking? They dont get my vote
Does the candidate hang out with war criminals? They dont get my vote
Does the candidate support outsourcing? They dont get my vote
Does the candidate support government secrecy? They dont get my vote
Does the candidate support the police state? They dont get my vote
Does the candidate support prison for pot smokers? They dont get my vote
Does the candidate hate whistleblowers? They dont get my vote
Does the candidate support for profit schools? They dont get my vote
Has the candidate spoken about rigged electronic voting? They dont get my vote


Pledge NOT to support candidates that hold republican positions in 2016. Its easy.

[HERVEPA]

1. Your post is not at all clear.

Does holding one of these positions disqualify the candidate, or must they hold all?
And do you give a shit if we get president Walker and things are ten times worse, especially for those least capable of dealing with it?

[Ramses]

8. If a candidate holds ANY of these positions, they are republicans

And if you think I or any other person is going to vote because "it can be worse", you are mistaken. That is an extremely poor persuasive argument. Things are getting worse EVERY DAY already, and its happening under a Democratic President. If we put up a candidate who will be more of the same garbage, millions will continue to slide into poverty, more wars. We cant afford that

[HERVEPA]

17. So you'd prefer a Republican who supports all of them to a Dem who supports one.

Because that is the result you'd get. And fuck the people who would be so much worse off with the Republican.

[Ramses]

19. Hillary supports ALL of the positions above

I prefer the Democratic party not run republicans who have long infiltrated my party

The people who will get fucked are the 99% if we put up a candidate who is essentially a fucking republican. Is that clear enough for you?

[workinclasszero]

37. So really your post was an anti-Hillary rant?

Why pretend its about anyone in general then? Just come out and state it.

Good luck finding an as yet unknown candidate who walks on water and can win in 2016.

I prefer my politics to be reality based even if its not all rainbow pooping unicorns and all.

[Ramses]

46. Vote for Hillary vote republican

rainbow pooping unicorns....you forgot my pony and leftist wand.

The reality is Hillary supports republican policies and ideals, and I DO NOT VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS, period.

So sorry for Hillary and her buddy Henry Kissinger, the WAR CRIMINAL

[Hekate]

75. "Hillary = Republican." What bullshit.

[AgingAmerican]

85. Did you vote for Obama?

If so, you have already broken your vow.

[uppityperson]

25. as EarlG put it, frp. eom

[FSogol]

38. frp? n/t

[uppityperson]

41. f Ron Paul. it was a reason to ban during election season, now extended to other Libertarians

[FSogol]

43. Thanks, never saw it as an acronym. Completely agree. n/t

[Bobbie Jo]

40. This.

Sideways.

[Ramses]

49. I dont support RON PAUL

FUCK RON PAUL TOO...clear enough for you?

[Adrahil]

26. Of course, exactly what constitutes "holding" such a position is rather ambiguous.

For example... you list a candidate supporting "government secrecy." What the heck does THAT mean? I mean, my guess is that the VAST majority of Democrats support the government classifying some sensitive information. Are they Republicans?

[Buzz Clik]

60. +1! I refuse to fight with the likes of the author of the OP, but....

I agree with YOU 100%.

I also find the title of the thread to be goofy as hell.

The whole argument stinks of Tea Party absolutism.

[yeoman6987]

78. It is hard enough to KEEP the Whote House after

8-years of a Democratic President and you want to make it even more difficult?

[uppityperson]

2. why would I needed to pledge anything? Seriously, asking for pledges seems

rather odd. How about figuring out how to work together to get good people elected vs calling for a pledge? I don't do pledges.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. These pledges have a HUAC feeling about them./NT

[CAG]

34. NO!! You must pledge to agree with me on everything or I'll take my toys and go home!

[earthside]

3. Okay.

But I've already decided I'm not going to vote for Hillary, anyway.

[bigwillq]

4. I look at candidates on an individual basis

and then make a decision to vote for them or not.

A candidate can be against every single one of those above positions, and I still may not vote for them.
Or they can be against every single one of those above above positions except one, and I still may vote for them.

All depends on the candidate.

[Agschmid]

5. Nah... Not big on pledges.

[Marrah_G]

6. I don't do pledges

[Ramses]

10. Do you agree with my post about these issues?

Do you consider these issues I brought up to be right wing republican policies?

[Marrah_G]

20. I believe that no candidate will agree with me on everything

And the best that I can do is to support whichever one comes closest.

[Ramses]

21. No, that is not the best you can do

If you settle with less worse, you will continue to get worse. If thats ok with you, thats on you.

Tens of millions simply wont vote between two different republicans is she is anointed. Tens of millions of Americans will continue to fall into poverty is Hillary is selected. Just like if Jeb or Cruz is selected. The 1% own the rigged electronic voing machines and really dont care which flavor of right wing republican is selected, Hillary or whoever. Wars will continue. The police state will continue. Millions more will continue into poverty, underemployment either way.

Its ALL good with the 1%$ if Hillary is selected for us.

[Marrah_G]

22. That is your point of view

In a perfect world we could all band together and make it all change. but it's not a perfect world and if I have to pick between Clinton and Walker I am going to choose Clinton.

[Ramses]

23. Let examine your choice

Clinton and Walker. Both support disaster Capitalism, wars, TPP, outsourcing,fracking,rigged voting, money in elections, etc etc.

Can you tell me the difference? Is it because Hillary doesnt hate gays as much? Or is not overtly racist?

[Marrah_G]

29. Would you not choose the one that is closer to your view on issues?

Not voting would just help the one you like the least.

[Agschmid]

53. Your previous post is a big ass load of horse shit.

That is all.

[Buzz Clik]

62. Thank you, Marrah_G.

I sometimes think the lunatics are running this asylum. You give me hope.

[Control-Z]

69. That's a Republican thing.

Made up pledges. Proof of purity. All that BS.

This guy is exposing himself.

[Bobbie Jo]

7. Does the candidate

Pal around with terrorists?

Same purity pledge, different day...

All of the recent "don't vote" posts are getting tiresome.

[Ramses]

9. Ive seen many posts saying we all need to support Hillary here

or else. And no where did I say "dont vote". I said not to vote for right wing candidates, which is perfectly acceptable.

[Bobbie Jo]

13. Or else, what?

[Ramses]

16. There have been numerous posts that we have to support Hillary or else

a republican will win. Hillary SUPPORTS republican ideals and policies, so we will get a republican either way if Hillary is annointed. I prefer Sanders, and I hope he runs.

[Bobbie Jo]

52. I wholeheartedly support Democratic primaries.

But your framing is off, and you seem to be mistaking very slanted opinion for fact.

No, we won't get a republican either way. How ridiculous. (See...this is OPINION)

Vote or don't vote, your call. But don't get bent out of shape if the rest of us don't sit home and pout because our candidate didn't get a perfect score on some incomplete, strawman purity test.

btw....I hope Sanders runs too.

[FSogol]

44. True Dat: "All of the recent "don't vote" posts are getting tiresome."

[Terra Alta]

11. the only pledge I will make

is that I will vote for the Democratic candidate. Period. No matter who he or she may be.

[Ramses]

12. So if Dick Cheney ran as a Democrat

You are saying you would support him because he calls himself a Democrat?

Let me quote you here " I will vote for the Democratic candidate. Period. No matter who he or she may be."

You would vote for ANYBODY regardless of their policies or positions because they call themselves the word Democrat?

[Terra Alta]

14. Let's be realistic here.

There is no way Dick Cheney is running as a Democrat. No way. And if he does, he won't get the nomination.

While I'd love to have someone progressive, I'll vote for a moderate Democrat over a far-right Repuke nutjob any day of the week.

[Ramses]

15. We can play this dishonest game if you would like

I dont see any moderate Democrats running. I see Sanders, who has not commited yet. He is progressive. I see Warren, who stated she is not running. I frankly dont trust her. And I see Hillary Clinton, who praises Henry Kissinger, supported the right wing coup in Honduras, and generally is to the right of most republicans on foreign policy. Hillary also shares the same republican values on the economy.

[OilemFirchen]

66. Lessee...

If my aunt had balls would she be your uncle?

[Adrahil]

24. Last I checked the TOS....

we support Democrats here.

If you personally choose not to support the Democratic candidate, that's up to you. But the TOS says you may not work AGAINST Democrats in the generals.

[Ramses]

27. I agree with you

we do support Democrats here

I dont support candidates who hold republican values, so its perfectly fine to state that. Im not working AGAINST Democrats. Im working AGAINST republicans who have infiltrated my party, including Hillary Clinton

[Adrahil]

28. You don't get to decide....

We have a primary process. If you don't like a candidate, vote to defeat them in the primaries. But once nominated, they were selected by your fellow Democrats whether you like it or not.

[Ramses]

30. My fellow Democrats dont decide. Party bosses do

Its a very tightly controlled process. And I vow NEVER to vote for a candidate who hold republican policies, whether YOU like it or not.
Doesnt really matter. Select Hillary or Jeb or Cruz, and this country will continue into disaster Capitalism, poverty, wars, etc

[Revanchist]

31. And the Republicans thank you for that viewpoint

You're not going to get your magical candidate, you probably won't get a pony either.

[Adrahil]

80. :) And news flash, unicorns aren't real. n/t

[Egnever]

32. You should try getting involved

instead of just showing outrage. I think if you do you will find out you have much more control than you think. Mostly because the majority of the population cant be bothered to do more than complain. There aren't that many people pulling the strings even at a statewide level. You can become a party boss fairly easily with a little drive.

[FSogol]

45. You are completely correct. Whenever someone starts ranting about party

bosses, you can tell they have never attended a single local party meeting or get together. They don't bother to get involved, have already given up, and want to convince others to give up.

[Agschmid]

55. Yup.

[Adrahil]

82. It makes me suspect that the goal of the poster is to demoralize us.

I'm not saying Ramses is a troll, but I am saying that I've seen trolls that do the exact same thing.

[FSogol]

83. +1 n/t

[Adrahil]

79. Then why even bother being a Democrat, and posting here? n/t

[Agschmid]

54. FFS.

[Control-Z]

33. How do you feel about

a woman's right to have an abortion?

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. Smell that?

[Reter]

36. Nope, I want Louisiana back

You also say nothing about abortion, marriage equality, and guns. Are candidates who hold conservative positions on those issues okay with you?

[brooklynite]

39. I won't be supporting a right wing candidate - I'll be supporting Secretary Hillary Clinton

[Ramses]

51. You repeated yourself

[brooklynite]

56. Pro choice, pro gay rights, pro progressive taxation, pro Social Security...

We certainly can't let people like THAT in the Democratic Party.

[JaneyVee]

42. And we'll end up with an actual Republican.

[winter is coming]

47. No. A pledge, by its very nature is an attempt to coerce a promise

to undertake or refrain from some future action that runs counter to one's best judgement or inclination. Otherwise, there would be no need for a pledge.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

48. This puts my Purity Test to shame

[Lancero]

50. Well, at least this person admits to wanting a Republican in 2016.

Just more Republican shrilling - Don't vote for this person because *reasons*!

I find it interesting that you've left off some key Democrat issues, like womens rights and marriage equality. Seems to be odd issues to leave out if you're trying to list of Democrat v Republican issues.

Anyway, is exactly what Republicans want - For Democrats to refuse to vote. Anyone encouraging people to NOT vote has ulterior motives.

Nice to see the plants outing themselves though - Can we start banning them now?

[Ramses]

57. reasons..lol

HILLARY supports republican ideals and policies such as disaster Capitalism, TPP, fracking, outsourcing, offshoring, education deform, etc

Good luck banning tens of millions of Americans who dont support republicans such as HILLARY CLINTON

[Lancero]

61. Can you show us where she says she is a Republican?

We're waiting...

[Ramses]

64. Her policies are republican

dishonest politicans wont come out and say what they are. You can deny and distract and try to change the subject.

Hillary Clinton's policies, support, and ideals are firmly in the republican camp. Now you may be ok with that, but tens of millions of Americans are not ok with it.

It really doesnt matter as I said before because the rigged electronic voting will select America's next corporate tool, whether it be Hillary, Cruz, Jeb, Walker. The US will lurch further to the right, labor will continue to be dismantled, prisons will continue to be filled, and people will continue to enter into poverty and food insecurity

[Lancero]

67. And telling people not to vote...

Solves his how?

You claim to want a solution. But your advice of 'Don't vote!' only makes things worse.

Pot, meet kettle.

[Ramses]

68. I want a post showing that I said not to vote

post a link or apologize for being dishonest

[Control-Z]

70. Hey! Ramses.

Why won't you respond to one single post about abortion, gay rights, women's rights, immigration or any other issue not on your "purity pledge list"?

Please tell us. Pretty please?

[zappaman]

71. What you said...+100.

Might be obvious though...

[Thinkingabout]

58. I pledge to support the candidate who

has sponsored a bill to raise the minimum wage
who is an advocate for women's rights
who is against violence against women
who is for women getting promoted to higher levels
who thinks the disparity in wages needs to be addressed

[Lancero]

63. According to some, those aren't 'real' issues.

Shouldn't be to hard to see the some that believe this.

[Thinkingabout]

65. And according to others who list issues which are not important to many.

[brooklynite]

59. I think we need to look at the GOOD side of having all these political purists...

When they leave after Hillary Clinton gets nominated, think of the DU performance improvement with a reducethe number of users competing for bandwidth...

[Hekate]

76. I swear I can hardly wait

[SidDithers]

72. FUD'ers gotta FUD...

frwrfpos / argiel1234

Sid

[zappaman]

73. !!!

[Ramses]

86. This is the second time you have accused me of being someone else

This is my first username and first time Ive ever posted here. Show my IP address and show the IP addresses of whoever else you think I was, I give you permission to post mine. Since you are going to accuse me of something, post your so called evidence.

[Hekate]

74. Oooh goody, a pledge drive! Are you collecting money for homeless puppies?

I pledge to only vote for Registered Democrats in both the primary and general elections. And puppies.

[Control-Z]

77. Aw. I love puppies.

My son got a new puppy. She's my first grandchild! I'm making little puppy clothes for her. It's so much fun. I've spent 8 dollars on quality, washable, fabrics, and have enough to make 4 outfits!

Registered Democrats and puppies! I'm all in.

[Skidmore]

81. The one thing I detest most about RW politics is the pledge game.

[2banon]

84. on the last item, I would edit to add "IF NOT, they don't get my vote."

Has the candidate spoken about rigged electronic voting? They dont get my vote

I'd insert "IF NOT, they don't get my vote..

[SidDithers]

87. Kick...

Sid

[DemocratSinceBirth]

88. I can't hear you.