Markos Moulitsas: Don't draft Warren

[Ykcutnek]

It may have been fun while it lasted, but it’s time for the Draft Warren people to either pack it in or find a candidate truly interested in challenging Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016.

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, target of the enthusiastic draft effort, has never expressed the slightest hint of interest. To the contrary, she has been very clear from the beginning that she wasn’t interested in a presidential bid.

That shouldn’t be surprising to those who know her well. She was reluctant to run for U.S. Senate, and it took a concerted, months-long effort to get her to take that plunge. The rigors of a national campaign don’t suit her, nor does she exhibit the kind of narcissistic egotism that leads a person to think that he or she is the best person to lead this country.

Furthermore, public polling shows no indication that Clinton is vulnerable. To the contrary, numbers today show a level of unity among Democratic primary voters unprecedented in modern political history, garnering the support of between 55 percent and 66 percent of Democrats, depending on the poll. At the same point in the 2007 cycle, Clinton was mired in the low 40s, and Barack Obama in the mid to high 20s. Stupid people may have talked about 2007 Clinton being “inevitable” but the data suggested anything but. This year, with Clinton’s closest challengers in the low teens, it couldn’t be more inevitable.

So it’s not surprising that Warren has consistently and repeatedly declined the invitation to run. Yet those seeking to draft her are persisting at all costs and to comical extremes.

http://thehill.com/opinion/markos-moulitsas/233032-markos-moulitsas-dont-draft-warren

[Cali_Democrat]

1. "...those seeking to draft her are persisting at all costs and to comical extremes"

No kidding!

They've become a parody of themselves.

[msanthrope]

8. Shtick is shtick!!! nt

[JDPriestly]

55. Because we trust her. I do not trust Hillary.

She and Bill are completely sold out to the narrow special interests of their friends on Wall Street.

Watch Warren speak to union members -- to almost anyone. She captures the hearts of her listeners.

Watch Hillary speak -- to anyone. She sounds dry and boring.

And as a member of the senior generation, I do not trust Hillary with my Social Security check.

Anyone who gets invited to events sponsored by Pete Peterson and his friends is no friend of Social Security or of mine.

[Cali_Democrat]

61. Ya, but she's not running

I think Bernie will run.

Don't you trust him?

Also, I never said anything about Hillary. My post was more about the bizarre behavior of many of the Warren 2016 folks. Personally, I'm not a fan of Hillary and I probably won't vote for her in the primaries.

Why not Bernie or someone else?

Why does it have to be Warren or bust? She's not running.

Warren 2016 is a dead end.

[JDPriestly]

62. If Warren does not run, and if Bernie runs as a Democrat, I will support Bernie.

I seriously do not trust Hillary.

[hopemountain]

63. same with my vote & support

i get excited just thinking about a primary debate with bernie and hillary and any REAL candidate for the 99%. the contrasts will be stark and it will not be so easy for hillary to evade the issues of the people.

[winter is coming]

86. Which is likely why Markos wants to marginalize the Draft Warren crowd.

If Warren changed her mind and decided to do what Sanders is contemplating--run to bring visibility to issues other candidates aren't addressing--Hillary would be in an uncomfortable position.

I don't think Warren's going to run, but I also don't think it's comical for people to try to draft a candidate whose agenda they strongly share. If people want to spend their time and money on that, it's their choice.

[WhiteTara]

90. you mean in the primaries because

they both won't be running in the general. That would be Hillary and some repuke.

[L0oniX]

99. Why are you always posting against anything pro Warren? You must like the 1%.

[Thinkingabout]

102. A better question is why posting against Hillary? Warren has been quiet clear.

Why is the postings against sounding like they come from FOX news? Does the record of Hillary have to be given over and over. Hillary and Warren are in the same spot on the chart. How does this make Hillary running from the right and not left as those who claim Warren is running left. We need to let FOX continue their lying reporting, we know they do a good job.

[Cali_Democrat]

107. Yes...I like the 1%....

I enjoy feasting on the blood of peasants.....bwahahahahahahah!!!!!!

[freshwest]

64. I'd laugh but it always reminds me of Rush's 1990s anti-Hillary barrage.

That was what got Newt in charge, a government shutdown and a world of hurt on millions. But they had to fight the anti-Christ Hillary!

I listened to Rush, bashing her health care inititative as First Lady, and it seems like a rehash somedays of Rush, WND, Breitbart and Paulibans who really, really hate her. But then they hate all Democrats, go figure.

It's like the same boilerplate spew, tailored to market to any audience. Just digging for dirt and tossing feces. It's in no way worthy of response.

But by golly, she's got 'em wetting their diapers all right, always has. I wonder what magical power she has to inspire fear in all the Koch lackeys?

[eridani]

65. He bashed her for working for bankers and "free" trade?

How about a couple of quoted to back that up?

[freshwest]

109. I specificially said health care reform when she held no elected office at all.

He attacked her on 'It takes a village to raise a child' and said her ideas represented the same method as the Nazis with Death Panels. He was on the air for hours a day five days a week with his programs looped and replayed all weekend. He also had his own half hour television show in the mornings in a small studio with rows of yapping lapdog Hitler youth types applauding wildly as if on cue at almost every word he said, especially when he praised himself with memes such as 'Talent On Loan From God' referring to himself.

That's where he called Chelsea a dog, went over all the CT about Foster, Travelgate, Whitewater, etc. Then Ann Coulter chimed in about Jones and the churches all came out against her a godless, lesbian communist. That's the hate she's dealt with from the Reichers.

In my area Rush's propaganda was part of total media saturation. He scared people into voting in a majority of GOP under Newt. He claimed that her health care plan would target the elderly, infirm and disabled as history showed the Third Reich did and that tactics got them to the polls to vote GOP.

She didn't have a sayso with banks or free trade at that time, she was only acting in her capacity as First Lady to bring what she thought was a more social democratic system. and she also promoted the rights of children, which brought the fundamentalists out of the woodwork to hate her even more. All before she was an elected official.

I've never heard of any inititatives by First Ladies that brought on such sustained vituperation as she got and continues to recieve. Now they are flat out calling her the anti-Christ and the end of the USA if she gets elected. It's not about banks and free trade it's her liberal social policies they hate her for. Twenty+ years of Reich Wing proganda, is not Occupy.

At times one has to separate the people being hated from the voices hating them, and stand back and look at the end game. And how it all leads to the same goals as the Kochs, Birchers and others no matter how popular or how lefty they present themselves.

Utter hatred of Democrats as a party is not a trait of Democrats, liberals or progressives. I never forget that it is the policies that are the end result, and HRC has not had enough power to do much so far. She didn't garner hate for embodying what Reich Wingers want, or whatever bogeyman people have bought over the years.

Libertarians, Tea Partiers and the like fear her liberal social policies will be put into force. They are not the voices I will listen to in the coming election. Others are free to take their cues from them or their associates, and let the results speak for themselves.

[eridani]

112. Liberal social policies are just not enough. A Democrat MUST be more than a Republican--

--who is good on social issues. It's fine for LGBT to be able to marry, but that doesn't do jackshit for them if they lose their home due to mortgage fraud. It isn't enough for a single mom to be able to get an abortion if "free" trade ships her jobs overseas.

[freshwest]

118. So you have changed your mind after writing this email and OP?

Email to Common Dreams

[e-mail]

Skip voting?

Or vote for some idiot who isn't running to win? Are you kidding? Too many on the left have been executing this brilliant strategy for the last 40 years. If that works so well, where is our functioning participatory democracy working for the 99%? I'm all for supporting left parties instead of Democrats, but only if they take winning seriously.

In Seattle last year, many Democrats supported the Socialist Alternative candidate for the Seattle City Council, but only because she was a serious candidate. She won narrowly due to the efforts of 400-500 volunteers phoning and doorbelling for her. But if you think this means that people should stop voting for Democrats, get back to me when Socialist Alternative wins seats on the city councils of Federal Way, Renton, Kent. Auburn, Spokane, etc.

In reality, only Demorats can run serious candidates all up and down the ballot. Left third parties can win in urban centers, small towns with big universities, and rural areas populated by a lot of refugees from Woodstock Nation--and nowhere else.

Back here in the real world, we are now in a hellhole run by the 1% because conservative whackjobs took over the Republicans working from the precinct level upward. On the left, idiots of tender conscience have refused to to the same to the Democrats. Democrats at least make an effort to talk to their neighbors.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025654686#op

You defended your postition in the thread twice:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025654686#post6

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025654686#post8

Losing one's home and one's life are two different things, and people are calling for gays to be butchered in too many places. And it would never stop there, the killers would find the next group to move onto.

I've lost two houses due to medical bills and have lived in poverty for years. The GOP wants to cut the social safety net and it's all that prevents me and others I know from being on the street, much less having a 'home' to own. That position in society was denied me, not by a bank, but by the actions of GWB twenty years ago.

The rights of women to control their own body especially when raped and the choice taken away from them, is a more serious matter than losing a job, because bearing the child puts such a burden on the victim that they may end up working for nothing but food and board, or worse. Yes, there are worse things than losing a house or a job. Some things in life guarantee that, with or without a bank, no matter what the Libertarians and Tea Party have to say.

Anyone is free to abstain from voting. Democrats are right now saving the lives of people I know personally, so my abstaining isn't an option for me. But everyone is different. Peace Out.

BTW, I thought that Email was great.

[eridani]

119. No, I'm committed to the Democratic candidate always, because good on social issues counts

Just saying I am not satisfied with that. I am always going to look for candidates who are serious about income inequality in addition. If I can't find that, I'll vote for the leftmost candidate who is actually serious about contacting voters instead of theoretical bloviating. And I don't think that blowing up gays from the air to save them from ISIL is very helpful.

[freshwest]

120. Glad to hear that, despite not getting my candidates nominated, myself.

But let's discuss this one, too:

And I don't think that blowing up gays from the air to save them from ISIL is very helpful.

I believe certain members of various minorities, LGBT and women see that exactly opposite.
That is to say:

Blowing up Daesh from the air will save them from being raped, tortured and killed by them. They have videoed throwing gays to their deaths, killing minorities in their territory and torturing, raping and killing women. And children.

We must root out all that is similar here, and continue to wash our dirty laundry about the brutal facts of the USA here and abroad and still not lose sight of saving lives here and there.

It's a Byzantine morass of beliefs that must be confronted in this world. Those who hate Democrats want the institutions they want to make work gone, as they are the party of good governance. The GOP and the rest want to break all government so that they can build their own fiefdoms. And they are doing it from the ground up.

You addressed the mechanism well in your email, and those who want all thrown out have no workable solution to replace the current paradigm.

Other than an dream of utopia, mainly rural, which, when all the trappings are stripped away, is textbook feudalism. The oppression of being dependent on the strong man or owner, always results to submitting to the one who owns the most, as is done in cults everywhere.

It respects no civil rights and has no code but that of the tribe or godfather figure, prophet, etc.

Excuse me if you've seen this, but this is where we are headed if unable to work together:

Sorry to flog that video, but Thom has been talking about this and the Koch agenda for years:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141015133#post49

Another example from 2011, but after the Bundy fiasco it's a lot worse now:

Of course that was on the list made by the Libertarians and the platform that Koch ran on in 1980 while Democrats were in a dazed state from losing a voice in media. Their platform has not changed for lo these 35 years. I'm sure you saw the OP with the release by Sanders, which had been released by Reid as well.

After a generation of repetition, the lies are the truth. And Dems can't run on facts or truth when it's no longer heard or called a lie or a liberal plot.

Anything that works to weaken the state, with all its problems, is playing the pied piper's flute to its logical conclusion, a reorganization of society into either a theocracy or a mix serfdom of both.

See you later.

[Orsino]

126. "At all costs"?

Overdramatic. 2/10

[tracks29]

2. I agree

Though I do think Hillary is vulnerable (which is why I want Warren to run). I think there needs to be a distinction between people like myself and groups like "Ready for Warren." Warren is my first choice for 2016 (Bernie 2nd) but I do not believe she is running and I won't borderline stalk her in an effort to force her into doing so. That group is really embarrassing itself at this point. How 'bout you start backing Bernie?

[Ykcutnek]

4. He suggests that toward the end of the article.

Couldn't post the whole thing because of copyright issues.

[JaneyVee]

11. I am right there with you and agree 110%.

[Autumn]

3. Who is Markos Moulitsas? Why should anyone care about what he wants?

Is he a kingmaker or just some writer at a has been blog?

[Ykcutnek]

5. Founder of Daily Kos. nt

[Autumn]

114. Thank you EarlG

You tried but you always out yourself.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=318034&sub=trans

[Puglover]

128. Good God.

It took long enough. Had that troll pegged by his 10th post. Actually the dumb assed name was a dead give away.

Of course some thought he was just peachy. Figures.

[msanthrope]

7. Um...did you forget the 'sarcasm' tag? Jeebus.....nt

[Autumn]

10. No I didn't. eom

[Autumn]

13. Daily Kos

[Autumn]

25. Was this your OP? I just wanted to know who the guy was.

Had I known you were the author of the OP I would not have replied. I'm not sure how an article from the Hill would be an SOP violation. If someone were to send an SOP alert on this OP I would certainly vote to leave it.

[msanthrope]

32. Autumn...thank you for confirming...beyond doubt...that you did not know who Markos is. nt

[Autumn]

33. You are more than welcome. eom

[sabrina 1]

124. Most Liberals who ever had the misfortune to be members of that site, know exactly who he is.

I just wish he'd stop asking for donations, especially since he told Liberals he 'didn't need their money' so they had zero rights on his 'liberal' blog'.

One thing about DK, it was a soap opera and provided years of amusement, for Liberals watching the 'show'.

[msanthrope]

125. Did you post on Conservative Cave? This is the third time

I've asked you, and I find that question even more pertinent with regards to your stance about Kos.

If you don't wish to answer, simply say so.

[sabrina 1]

127. Someone told me you posted on the Cave. Is that true?

Don't even THINK you can create a false impression that I would ever sink to the depths of even clicking on any links to that vile place.

You however appear to know what goes on there. Was it the Cave that you were reading regarding my avatar? I have asked you before, it's a simple question, who was it you saw discussing my Avatar, and if it was that dump, how would YOU know?

I spent two weeks reading that vile sewer when they were after Nadin apparently in coordination with some people they had planted here. Like every other rational person who ever stumbled on the asylum, I wouldn't click a link to the place even if someone paid me.

Your vile tactic is causing a lot of people here to ask why you made this garbage up in the form of a question or otherwise, since you have ZERO reason, other than an attempt to LIE about another DUer.

Daily Kos, not quite as bad as the sewer, but remarkably similar in its hatred for the Left, until they Left stopped supporting them. And the revenue went down.

Why do you go there?

[msanthrope]

131. Never. In fact...I've never visited there. Though I've had quite a few DUers

show their concern for me by sending me cut and paste jobs...and in fact, a wonderful DUer in law enforcement intervened when he felt my child was targeted.

As I've written many times before....a stalker of mine who actually went to the trouble of finding an old boyfriend of mine posts there, proudly. She is a welcome member of their community. ...and with no surprise, since she apparently has no problem performing sex acts on men who are not her husband. (Yes...she actually tracked down an ex of mine and performed sodomy on him, in exchange for info about me, shortly before his death.)

That you spent weeks over there reading their mental masturbation is unfortunate. That you would compare Conservative Cave to Daily Kos.....now, that, Sabrina, is telling.

Are you really comparing Daily Kos to Conservative Cave?

[sabrina 1]

132. Why did you lie about me? What was your purpose/agenda in attempting to do that, based on NOTHING?

And you do know that when people lie, even if they think it's CLEVER to do so in the form of a QUESTION, nothing they say from then on is believable.

So since you demonstrated so clearly your willingness to lie about me, which most people who saw it recognized instantly, I am afraid that I don't believe anything you just said. It contains yet another attempt to lie about me. It's a very bad habit to get into, lying about other people. It totally loses all credibility for the one doing it.

To those reading. Those who don't already see and recognize the deceptive tactic in the above comment when the other attempt failed.

A DUer, Nadin, was being seriously stalked both here and on the vile dump known as the Cave a few years ago. She asked for help in the META forum, no longer here thankfully. As a result, dozons of DUERs, myself included were introduced to that disgusting sewer where we discovered she WAS being stalked, and some of the stalkers from here, appeared to be coordinated with some over there.

The 'implication' in the comment to which I am responding, is a LIE. It is a blatant attempt to Twist the reason for my even knowing about that dive into something else. I know most of you see it for what it is, but lies need to be exposed and corrected imo. So anytime anyone chooses to lie about me or any other DUer, I will correct them when I see them.

You can rest assured I will correct every lie that is told about me, so you would be better off trying to deal honestly with people.

[msanthrope]

133. I didn't lie. I asked you if you posted there. For some strange reason, rather

than simply answer me the first time, you decided to avoid the question. Now, you're posting explanations I didn't ask for....I really don't care what you read in your free time.

But you've also included a claim that Daily Kos and Conservative Cave are much in the same. I find that incredible.

[sabrina 1]

134. Did you post at the Cave? It's a simple question.

Lying by question! You don't do it very well.

Here, let me help you. The ONLY time anyone needs to respond to a LIE, is if there is any truth to it.

I note, that you DID try to respond to my question.

Interesting.

[msanthrope]

135. Which I answered above, the first time you asked. Again...that you think

Conservative Cave and Daily Kos are of the same vein...an observation you offered up, apropos to nothing.....is quite interesting.

[sabrina 1]

136. Lol, I have to say, I do enjoy these games. I had a lot of experience which I never

expected would be useful on a Democratic forum.

Btw, I wanted to ask you this. What is it about Democrats here that you dislike so much?

[msanthrope]

137. Sabrina...I find it sad that you would compare Daily Kos with Conservative Cave.

I have never met a Democrat here I did not like.

[sabrina 1]

138. This Democrat doesn't get that impression at all. I'm sure there many other Democrats here who

would find it hard to believe also.

[msanthrope]

139. Sabrina.....I don't know a single Democrat who cannot call Osama Bin Laden

a terrorist. On prior exchanges, you've refused to answer the question. ..."Is Osama Bin Laden a terrorist?"

I don't know of a Democrat who does that.

[sabrina 1]

140. Channeling Rudy to Obama now? 'you're not really a patriot,

I don't think you 'love' this country the way Cheney does or Bush or Reagan'?

Lol, thanks, not the first time Democrats have been complimented by being called 'unpatriot' by the far right.

Historical Right Wing tactic against Democrats:

'Are you, or have you ever been a ...... '

And right here on a Dem forum!

Obama failed that Right Wing 'litmus test' also. .

In your view, I am in the same category that Ghouliani and the rest of the moronic Right Wing war mongers have placed the President in.

I can accept that, thanks. I totally agreed with Obama's 'moral equivalency' argument which so upset the far Right causing Rudy's moronic outburst.

So you don't like Democrats here?

Okay, there is no law that says you must.

[msanthrope]

141. Well, Sabrina...I am impressed with your ability to list people who

have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

But again....I've never met a Democrat who could not call Osama Bin Laden a terrorist.

[sabrina 1]

142. I've never met a Democrat who questioned the Patriotism of Democrats for opposing Cheney/Bush's

anti-Constitutional policies.

Obama would not call ALL Muslims 'terrorists'! so from the Far Right: 'Is he or was he ever ....... A TRRRST! Lol!

He even went so far as to do what we Democrats have been doing for a long time in response to those bigots, see Giuliani, who are ramping up the hatred, he used a 'moral equivalency' argument which of course means 'he doesn't love America the way Bush and Cheney did'.

You're beginning to flail.

Using Right Wing litmus tests for Democrats will get you exactly the response you are getting, from Democrats.

Keep playing, we are learning a lot here.

[msanthrope]

143. Again....Is Osama Bin Laden a terrorist? nt

[Ykcutnek]

16. Daily Kos is the gold standard of liberal blogging.

Not sure what's so funny.

[Bobbie Jo]

18. Not exactly a "has been blog"

No?

[MohRokTah]

21. The traffic continues to grow every quarter.

The fundraising for true blue Democratic candidates increases all the time, too.

[Art_from_Ark]

87. The "gold standard of liberal blogging". Ha, ha, that's funny

"Moulitsas is a fellow at the New Politics Institute,[32][33] a think tank of the New Democrat Network, which was founded by Simon Rosenberg in 1996. The NDN's stated purpose is to help elect "centrist" Democrats, and is considered by many to be a successor to the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), an organization that Simon Rosenberg resigned from in 1996."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markos_Moulitsas

[Autumn]

116. If there were a gold standard of trolling

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=318034&sub=trans

You still wouldn't qualify.

[MohRokTah]

19. So go start a blog that becomes a multi-million dollar business

and also attracts the attention of national level candidates who feel like they must at least talk to the community centered around that blog.

Not to mention run a PAC that has helped to elect some of the most liberal candidates in Congress.

Do that and get back to me and maybe I'll consider your opinion one which I will listen to.

[msanthrope]

22. Jane Hamsher wept. nt

[MohRokTah]

24. Heh!

That was good. I'm gonna remember it!

[Bobbie Jo]

28. Who?

[KittyWampus]

82. LOL

[Number23]

117. Oh my God... is that woman still around?

Now you've done it. It's been eons since anyone's referred to that spittle flecked hate fest even in passing and now you've invoked its name! It will rise again from the dead!!

That and that other web site with all of the bitter Obama-haters. You know the one I'm talking about. Where the folks got tossed off of here because their "princpled objections" contained some of the stupidest, most ignorant and racist comments on the web. The fact that I am struggling to even remember its name should tell you all that you need to know.

[Vattel]

26. You probably don't even know who Kim Kardashian is.

[winter is coming]

29. And that's even more vitally important. n/t

[Autumn]

30. Well she's no Beyoncé that's for sure.

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Just ask Kayne

[William769]

34. ROFLMAO!

I knew you were politically savvy!

Priceless! Thank you.

[Autumn]

83. William, knowing who a failed CIA wannabe, third way centrist hack is

and reading the tripe he writes for his "liberal" blog does not make one political savvy.

[jakeXT]

70. He trained for the CIA, but then decided to work for the Howard Dean campaign

In a June 6, 2006 speech to the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, Zúniga stated that he had spent between six months and two years training at the Central Intelligence Agency in Washington, DC. In this speech Kos said began in 2001, before he started DailyKos,[5] and continued until the beginning of his involvement with the Howard Dean presidential campaign (late 2003/early 2004), which would mean that Zúniga was in training with the US CIA for as much as two years.[6]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Markos_Moulitsas_Zúniga

[Dawgs]

73. Here you go.

Moulitsas is a fellow at the New Politics Institute,[32][33] a think tank of the New Democrat Network, which was founded by Simon Rosenberg in 1996. The NDN's stated purpose is to help elect "centrist" Democrats, and is considered by many to be a successor to the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), an organization that Simon Rosenberg resigned from in 1996.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markos_Moulitsas

[Autumn]

74. And that's the gold standard of liberal blogging??

Of course I guess it would be to posters who support Hillary and fear anyone else running.

[Dawgs]

75. Exactly. n/t

[treestar]

93. He made an argument

Do you have anything to say to that debate point? It doesn't matter who said it.

[Autumn]

96. I don't have to debate it, I don't need argue anything. I simply disagree with his opinion.

You are free to agree with his opinion.

[treestar]

97. that's very informative

you're making it about him rather than whatever it was he said.

I don't have to disagree or agree either. I can raise issues or consider his argument and any in opposition. The information that you simply disagree with no further information means there is no basis for any discussion. If I agree or disagree, it will be based on what he said, which anyone could have said, not who he is.

[Autumn]

98. No I am making about how I disagree with what he said. He has his opinion

others have theirs. He can contribute and push for Hillary to run. Others, including the organizations organizing to draft Warren can do the same.

[sabrina 1]

123. It's BECAUSE of what he said, that thousands of liberals, especially women and

minorities, fled that site years ago. Not to mention the conviction for fraud of his 'founding father' and partner. Posing online as someone he was not. The promised 'explanation' never came. But it wasn't necessary as people, well, Liberals, there were lots of Repus and Libertarians, who were more than welcomed there, left and found other venues.

[Dawson Leery]

6. kick

[winter is coming]

9. If Hillary is inevitable, as Markos asserts, why does he care? n/t

[Bobbie Jo]

17. Well...

It may have been fun while it lasted, but it’s time for the Draft Warren people to either pack it in or find a candidate truly interested in challenging Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016.

IOW.... If you're going to do something, do it already. The window is about to slam shut. Hard.

[winter is coming]

20. Yeah, 'cause Markos doesn't have a dog in this fight.

[Bobbie Jo]

27. Have no idea...

But what he does have is a valid point.

[wyldwolf]

36. if he does it isn't Hillary

[daredtowork]

54. Paid promotion. nt

[H2O Man]

14. oh

[Luminous Animal]

47. +1

[hfojvt]

23. resistance is useless

assimilate, or be destroyed.

[winter is coming]

31. And don't, for God's sake, mention election fraud.

Or has Markos changed his mind about that being an unmentionable topic?

[sabrina 1]

42. Remember that? That is when we knew who Markos really was!

[winter is coming]

44. That was when I stopped going to Kos every day.

I still follow an occasional link there if the article sounds interesting, but I've long since forgotten my handle and password.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

35. I crossed that bridge a number of weeks ago...

She's waaaaaaayyyy too ahead of her time.

She's right where she's supposed to be. Doesn't have to pander to the right while being better able to inspire Main Street than a compromised Clinton.

Keep it up, Senator! You da bomb!

[daredtowork]

37. Kos is Covert Third Way

I have mixed feelings about Warren myself because I don't see her as a champion of the burgeoning underclass yet.

However, Kos is a hypocrite.

He makes his living on a progressive blog but he acts from the lrivileged wealth bubble in his local politics. I know because he lives in my city and in my Council district (unless he moved recently).

When Berkeley was considering the discriminatory, cherry-picking business-sponsored Sit-Lie sidewalk law, kos supported it, even though all local progressive and socual justice organizations were against it. kos made the Rovian move of invoking how his wife felt "unsafe" around beggars ( as a small woman who has lived in Berkeley 25 years, this is ludicrous) and dehumanized homeless people as "its".

Further, kos has actively commented in the local online newspaper Berkeleyside about wanting to get the 3 left-leaning members off the City Council: Anderson, Worthington, and Arreguin. There was actually just a lame gerrymandering attempt to get rid of Worthington (the most powerful of the 3), which Worthington survived. Anyway, kos is clearly aligned with real estate developers, business, and landlords - and against any social justice issues blocking the way. I wouldn't be surprised if he had property investments.

A true progressive would wonder why high end real estate development has been getting priority for years when there has been an ongoing crisis for prople wo need low-income housing. While kos is envisioning the comforts Berkeley could provide to himself, he is oblivious to the fact Berkeley is center for the Independent Living Movement and many disabled people on fixed incomes live here.

Fuck you, Third Way kos.

[daredtowork]

38. ten bucks sez

kos has been hired as a consultant somewhere down the pipe in the Hillary campaign. There is a lot of moolah to spread around there.

[sabrina 1]

40. Kos is an operative, former CIA, self admitted. He was thoroughly exposed years ago. Not sure why

anyone would care one bit what this deceiver has to say.

[Art_from_Ark]

58. Don't you know? He's the "gold standard of liberal blogging"

If that is what qualifies as a "gold standard", we are screwed.

[sabrina 1]

106. I don't think he fools anyone anymore. Which may be why he started trying to rope the 'left', most

of whom either left his blog long ago, or were banned by the thousands if they even dared to speak about things like the 2000 election, among other issues that were actually the reasons people NOT on the Right, were initially drawn to 'liberal' blogs.

I guess he went too far with 'reigning in' the Left and had a sudden change of 'heart' for a while. Lost revenue can do that to people.

I also remember him driving women off his site after insulting the women's movement publicly. Hundreds of women left that site and started their own blogs.

I check it out once in a while and find it as boring as it always was. Don't see many elected officials hanging out there anymore either.

[winter is coming]

110. I nearly sprayed my keyboard when I saw that one. n/t

[sendero]

66. Yes...

.... but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Why anyone would think that Warren has any interest in the presidency is beyond me, she has stated clearly and unequivocally that she does not.

I'm as uninterested in HRC as anyone but Warren is not the answer.

[winter is coming]

41. Covert??

[daredtowork]

53. lol, maybe I was the last one to figure it out. Stupid me. XD nt

[betterdemsonly]

49. He also endorsed the "New Democrats" Simon Rosenberg over Howard Dean

He also endorsed the "New Democrats" Simon Rosenberg over Howard Dean as DNC chair in 2004, If that didn't clue people in to his right wing tendency I don't know what will?

[sabrina 1]

39. Lol, I guess Markos got his instructions, AGAIN. Does ANYONE on the Left pay the slightest

attention to what this 'former' Republican has to say about about ANYTHING?

Thanks, Markos, your opinions are worth what they have always been worth to those you so despise, on the LEFT!

And please, stop asking me for donations. I don't support political operatives with shady, right wing, anti-Left, deceivers pretending to be something they are not.

[Ykcutnek]

43. Markos has done more for this country and liberal causes than a single person who stays glued to

batshit crazy alternative news and Russia Today all day.

[sabrina 1]

46. Lol! You are funny!

[Autumn]

115. Here you go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=318034&sub=trans

[sabrina 1]

122. Thank you. Love the backwards spelling s/he used!

[m-lekktor]

50. yes we liberals should thank baby jesus he chose blogging instead joining the CIA

my heeero

[Ykcutnek]

51. Perhaps he'd get more applause from some if he became a Pro-Russian separatist. EOT

[betterdemsonly]

67. Not from neocons who get jobs in both parties to enforce the foreign policy idiocy! n/t

[FSogol]

78. Heh!

[sabrina 1]

104. Support from whom? With his history of changing his mind, sometimes overnight,

anything is possible.

[Dawgs]

71. I wouldn't trust him on anything. He picked Bachmann to win the GOP nominee in 2012.

[SidDithers]

45. DU rec...

Get the to the Greatest!

Sid

[sabrina 1]

48. Aw, you like old 'former' Republican, anti-left, Markos?

Poor Markos, 'former' Republican, operative and 'gate-keeper', thoroughly exposed for what he was, now he's left with what is left of what was supposed to be the Liberal gate keeper that never was.

Liberals are too smart to fall for as obvious an operative as old Markos.

THIS is likely to INCREASE the support for Warren.

Markos has earned the reputation as the barometer of where the Left needs to go.

They really are scared when they have to drag old Markos out to try to stop the movement to draft a real democrat for the WH.

Otoh, I personally want Warren to stay where she is.

But it's always fun to see the FEAR of the Left when they draft 'former' Repub, anti-women, Markos, to try to 'control' the voters.

He has ZERO influence in this country, especially on Democratic voters.

[daredtowork]

52. Brief irony break

Wes Boyd (moveon.org), leading the heavy Draft Warren push, is also in Berkeley, balancing The Force with Third Way kos.

Is it any wonder so many Nobel Prize winning scientists who discovered radioactive elements are associated with the University of California at Berkeley? If certain "elements" in this city ever interact, this whole place could go up in a mushroom cloud!

[sabrina 1]

105. Lol, anyone who was around when these so-called 'liberal' organizations helped end any

conversation about the 2000 stolen election, gives them as much credibility as they earned back then. THAT was when I dropped my membership with Moveon. On DK they made it a bannable offense to even mention that stolen election.

So, the so-called 'left' organizations joined the right in attempting to silence the left starting with that historic theft of an election.

[JI7]

60. Elizabeth WArren is a former republican also

[JDPriestly]

56. Move-On likes Warren. So do I. Let's persuade Warren to run and then see who wins.

[NBachers]

57. Et tu, Marcos?

As he stabs the Daft Warren people

[demwing]

59. "Yet those seeking to draft her are persisting at all costs and to comical extremes."

Comical to who? There are people on the left who believe that a Clinton presidency would cause great harm to the middle class. What is it about that harm that does not deserve extreme measures, and what is it about those measures that seems so comical?

[RiverLover]

68. Markos is a part of New Politics Institute - the centrist "New Democrat" think tank

Moulitsas is a fellow at the New Politics Institute,[32][33] a think tank of the New Democrat Network, which was founded by Simon Rosenberg in 1996. The NDN's stated purpose is to help elect "centrist" Democrats, and is considered by many to be a successor to the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), an organization that Simon Rosenberg resigned from in 1996.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markos_Moulitsas

Of course he doesn't want Warren to run.

[Dawgs]

72. There it is. I knew there was a reason I didn't like this guy. n/t

[reddread]

77. she must have NO interest WHATSOEVER

otherwise these people would not be talking about her nonstop.
right?

[RiverLover]

84. Riiiight. ha

[DrDan]

69. "comical extremes" . . . I know, it was repeated above . . . but I think it deserves it once more

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

76. Internal consistency?

That shouldn’t be surprising to those who know her well. She was reluctant to run for U.S. Senate, and it took a concerted, months-long effort to get her to take that plunge. The rigors of a national campaign don’t suit her, nor does she exhibit the kind of narcissistic egotism that leads a person to think that he or she is the best person to lead this country.

So let's see, it took a 'concerted, months-long effort' to get her to run for (and win) the Senate seat. But supporters shouldn't continue in their 'concerted, months-long effort' to try to get to run for President?

'The rigors of a national campaign' don't suit her, but they suit the less energetic-looking Clinton, who has already had several health issues pop up?

And heaven forbid we try to get a President who isn't a 'narcissistic egotist'.

[HappyMe]

80. Exactly.

I'm beginning to wonder if the Hillary people are just plain afraid of Warren. If nobody puts her feet to the fire during the primaries, she won't have to answer any hard questions.

[RiverLover]

85. Thank you.

[merrily]

91. I don't know if that is even factually correct.

She was the one who looked to be in charge of Dodd Frank permanently. Obama decided to go another way. She wrapped up in DC and visited the DNC and donors, as any sane hopeful would. That is my recollection, anyway.

[FSogol]

79. K & R. "comical extremes" n/t

[brooklynite]

81. To those slamming Markos for this: where is he wrong?

What factual mistake has he made in his analysis?

[merrily]

94. He's not being "slammed" for this. He's being "slammed" for his history and his shilling.

That is the impression I got from reading the thread.

[WDIM]

88. I hope Warren doesnt run.

I like Warren but running for president and becoming president corrupts people and id prefer to keep Warren fighting for the little man and not corrupted by the pursuit of power and greed.

[merrily]

95. Yes, that is a common talking point. So common, in fact, that I am suspicious of it.

[RiverLover]

103. +1 nt

[abelenkpe]

89. Threads like this make me worry democrats are destined to lose

In 2016.

Too many don't like Hillary. Warren isn't running. We're screwed if democrats don't find someone that all liberals are enthusiastic about.

[treestar]

92. Yep, these people are anti-Hillary and that's it

There is no positive effort here.

Funny when the same people often are the ones who complain about the Democrat being the lesser of two evils. They won't vote against a Republican but here will stir up the Democratic party to be against the front runner.

Even Hillary hasn't announced, so it's the usual obsession that the Presidency is the be all and end all and all we need for a progressive revolution.

[L0oniX]

100. Does Markos like shoes too?

[cyberswede]

101. He can't reply

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=318034&sub=trans

[a la izquierda]

108. Awwww, damn.

I'm not one to grave dance, but he previously suggested bombing all of Bolivia because Evo Morales made him have a sad.

Boo fucking hoo and good riddance.

[Autumn]

113. This one always outs himself

Thank you EarlG

[libdem4life]

111. Bernie is a Socialist, regardless of the mainstream Party he would join. That's a no.

Plus, he's too old and he looks it. Warren ... not happening. Doesn't take tea leaves here. She's endorsed, now met with Clinton. She's on board, although she'll likely have her pick of political prizes.

Opinion is just that...opinion. But at some point there is overwhelming evidence of a workable opinion and that time is upon us.

Otherwise Hail to the Chief...Jeb Bush.

[NuttyFluffers]

121. kick for exposure :)

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

129. I don't see any indication that E. Warren would run. Oh BTW bye troll!!! nt

[AtomicKitten]

130. hmmm, interesting

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=318034&sub=trans