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Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:02 AM

I'm VERY LIBERAL... I listen to NPR!!

That makes me very liberal because Republicans and conservatives hate NPR.

* not intended as a factual statement

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Reply I'm VERY LIBERAL... I listen to NPR!! (Original post)
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TreasonousBastard Feb 2015 #1
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stevenleser Feb 2015 #30
Fumesucker Feb 2015 #46
stevenleser Feb 2015 #59
Fumesucker Feb 2015 #63
sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #48
VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #52
sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #55
VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #62
sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #71
VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #78
VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #80
Fumesucker Feb 2015 #93
VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #94
Fumesucker Feb 2015 #95
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Fumesucker Feb 2015 #98
VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #99
Fumesucker Feb 2015 #101
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sendero Feb 2015 #2
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Chathamization Feb 2015 #10
Atman Feb 2015 #11
world wide wally Feb 2015 #16
Atman Feb 2015 #19
sendero Feb 2015 #22
cbayer Feb 2015 #23
Fumesucker Feb 2015 #25
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Fumesucker Feb 2015 #29
cbayer Feb 2015 #33
Fumesucker Feb 2015 #39
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cwydro Feb 2015 #31
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VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #54
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Fumesucker Feb 2015 #104
randys1 Feb 2015 #105
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Lint Head Feb 2015 #5
Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #82
bullwinkle428 Feb 2015 #7
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Renew Deal Feb 2015 #9
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Orrex Feb 2015 #14
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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:03 AM

1. Get a life.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:04 AM

3. I love you too...

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:43 AM

30. OP is very concerned about enforcing a Liberal orthodoxy, meaning everyone agrees with his version

 

of what being a Liberal means and what candidates you can support.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:09 PM

46. And what are you very conserned with?

Beyond self promotion I mean?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #46)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:42 PM

59. And of course, none of YOUR favorite journalists and pundits self promote at all. Just like its ok

 

when they go on conservative media and get paid to appear at conservative conferences by the Koch brothers, but if I do any of that, "it's bad".

But again, I am sure all the journalists and pundits YOU like write their articles on a napkin in a corner and never show it to anyone so as not to "self promote".

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #59)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:48 PM

63. Don't own a TV

I have a radio in a drawer somewhere in case of emergency.

Mostly I get my information from thread comments, I find commenters as a group are a lot smarter and better informed than any number of pundits. I skim articles and then read the comments to see the article deconstructed.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:15 PM

48. OP got the message here, as many other Liberals have, that the Dem Party doesn't need the Liberal

vote.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #48)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:30 PM

52. No you missed the message...the FAR Left doesn't have the corner marked on what IS a Liberal...

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #52)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:33 PM

55. The 'Far Left'' is a Republican smear on Democrats. See Boehner's latest use of it re Obama

'listening to the FAR LEFT fringe'. It has no place on a Democratic Forum.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #55)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:47 PM

62. No its not....there is a Far Right too!

 

they have their own fringe....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #62)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:29 PM

71. The Far Left is a Right Wing smear, used most recently by Boehner: 'Obama listens to the FAR LEFT

fringes' meaning Democrats.

It has no place on this forum. FAR LEFT means people who oppose the Privatization of SS, neocon illegal invasions based on lies, those who speak up against the violations of CIVIL LIBERTIES by Republican policies under Bush. Who oppose torture as a policy of the US in violation of the law.

Ron Wyden, eg, is viewed as 'FAR LEFT' by Right Wing supporters of Cheney/Bush.

It belongs on FR not on DU.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #71)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:09 PM

78. no fringes mean fringes...it was used long before Boehner

 

and both sides have them....

What doesn't belong on DU is the Obama and HRC hatred...

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #71)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:12 PM

80. There are Liberal Democrats and there are Left Leaning Independents....

 

You don't corner the market on what is or isn't Left enough....What you just described by the way....almost perfectly describes Hillary Rodham Clinton....is she a Liberal to YOU?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #80)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:43 PM

93. And you sure as hell don't want your party line vote polluted by those awful left-independents..

They might actually expect some policy concessions and then where would we be, eh?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #93)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:45 PM

94. I don't want those Left Independents thinking THEY control OUR party...and THIS forum

 

this is DemocraticUnderground.....LeftLeaningIndependentUnderground.com is still under construction.

If you cannot vote for the winner of OUR Primary...regardless of who that is....you are marginalizing yourself.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #94)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:47 PM

95. As I said, the Demorats can easily win without any independents..

I mean other than the right leaning independents, they are crucial to victory as I pointed out in another fairly recent OP.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #95)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:48 PM

97. If you won't vote for the winner of the Primary if it is HRC.....then you are useless to us anyways.

 

But thanks for proving my point....the EXACT same threat that the Teabaggers hold over the Republican party!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #97)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:50 PM

98. Indeed.. I've never said who I would or would not vote for..

You are welcome to do a search if you wish.

You never really disagreed with my earlier OP about how professional Democratic politicians should deal with liberals.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #98)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:56 PM

99. and I never said your name directly...I meant if that is your position...then that is the reality...

 

Professional Democratic Politicians mainly ARE Liberals...

SEE that is the problem....it is they who are trying to wrest control of the party...the fringe...because THEY hold the true "purity test". Just like you seem to think that MOST Democrats are not Liberals. And now you are whining about YOUR feet being held to that fire!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #99)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:59 PM

101. I love your fire and passion, focus if you will..

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #94)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 06:50 PM

109. If you think you're the only one who gets to tell Democrats WHO will be their candidates,

or the Right Leaning, always worse imo, to the Left Leaning, THIRD WAY, then it is not WE who have to worry about being marginalized.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:03 AM

2. LOL...

.... the fact that so many people still think NPR is "liberal" or "left-leaning" is one of many reasons I think most people are doofuses fighting the last battle.

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Response to sendero (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:16 AM

6. I'm pretty sure most people think it's just balanced...

or as balanced as it gets. And no commercials is a really big selling point.

Diane Riehm seems to give conservatives a much harder time than liberals, but other than that (and maybe "This American Life" I don't hear anything that seems to be significantly biased either way.

Mistakes? Anyone can make them-- just look at the "liberal" outlets so often quoted here.

Somewhere along the line NPR was touted as "liberal" although I never remember it claiming so itself. So, every time it crosses the line and says something even mildly tolerant of rightward thought it has to be denounced. Same thing happened to John Stuart, btw, when he went off script one day.

As usual, it's best to have several trusted sources and make up your own mind-- and spend less time complaining.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:47 AM

10. 1. It's about as "balanced" as the rest of the mainstream media is, which is to say if you think

daily coverage of "Obamacare is a disaster!" a year ago, then mostly silence when the good news came in was balanced

- or "both sides blame each other for the shutdown" when the Republican's shutdown the government is balanced

- or daily coverage of "the IRS is going after conservatives!" without bothering to check the information or explain your errors when that turns out to be a pseudo-scandal is balanced

then yeah, NPR is "balanced."

2. They keep having people on from the Heritage Foundation and the AEI. Just checked the Diane Rehm show right now, guess who's on? Someone from the AEI.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:48 AM

11. No commercials?

Since when. Ever since Bush and the GOP took over the board of directors, NPR is chock full of "commercials." They might call them something different, like "sponsorship moments" or some other lame thing, but NPR is very GOP, and very full of commercials. I stopped listening to them as a news source long ago, although I still enjoy the local programming and stuff like "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me."

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:01 AM

16. NPR actually has more commercial time than a "top hits" FM station when you count in

those obnoxious pledge drives they do for weeks at a time.
They took a purposeful turn to the right under Bush in a ploy to be more balanced facade. Just count the number of times they present the Republican view of an issue compared to Dems.
If that's not enough, their biggest donors are the Kochs.
Their scam is working well.

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:11 AM

19. Similar to how many people think MSNBC is "liberal"

While people like Joe Scab and Andrea Mitchell and Chuck Toad take up half of their airtime.

Got give credit to the right...when they lie, they stick to their guns and keep repeating the lie until people believe it.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:18 AM

22. I really do NOT...

... think NPR is "balanced" at all. I haven't heard Diane Rehm in a long time, but back in the day if you were liberal OR conservative and made some sort of claim - you better be able to back it up because she was a pit bull about not letting bullshit stand.

There are lots of NPR shows that ARE clearly liberally biased, but I'm talking about the news, Morning Edition and All Things Considered. These shows are not balanced at all, they lean conservative IMHO.

This was demonstrated very clearly in the run up to the Iraq war, they would do a report here and there about Scott Ritter and Hans Blix, 2 of the few people who had actually BEEN in Iraq and who were adamant that there were no WMDs, but they spend 95% of their coverage rah-rah ing for the war machine. It was beyond disgusting and it is what made me realize that they had gone to the dark side.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:19 AM

23. I agree and I appreciate the balance.

I don't want to see or listen to a station that just spouts my POV. I want to hear different views and have my thinking challenged by them.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:24 AM

25. Yes, but a lot of people think NPR is VERY LIBERAL

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:37 AM

28. I would suggest that they don't listen to it then.

I also think those, including some in this thread, that think it's conservative don't listen to it either.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:41 AM

29. No, I think a lot of listeners consider NPR liberal

When they are at best slightly left of center which has moved a long way to the right over the years.

I quit listening to NPR some years ago because I can get the centrist viewpoint damn near anywhere..

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:47 AM

33. They are center on some things, left of center on others and progressive on still others.

Each to his own. I really disagree that they have moved a long way to the right and, like I said, those that say they are conservative are either way off the scale (and wear it like a badge) or just don't listen to it.

Like I said, I don't want to hear my own POV regurgitated.

Where is it that you get your centrist viewpoint? Are there sources you find better than NPR?

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Response to cbayer (Reply #33)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:54 AM

39. I get most of my information reading comments on one site or another

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that the commenters as a group are almost always smarter and better informed than the paid writers, there's certainly a hell of a lot more variety of viewpoints.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:00 PM

42. Reading comments work, but I really like hearing a good story

and I particularly like it when it is told from different perspective with some fact checking thrown in. Interviews appeal a great deal to me, and some of the people that work for NPR do really great interviews and don't let their guests get away with much.

Each to their own, but demonizing NPR has become sport for some who probably have very few sources they consider OK, and I'm pretty sure those sources are highly biased in their direction.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:45 AM

31. ...

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:11 AM

4. I'm VERY LIBERAL... I support Bernie Sanders

That makes me very liberal because Bernie is more Liberal than 3 Democrats rolled into one. *Bernie Sanders 2016!!!!!!

* Intended as a factual statement and my most fervent hope. I don't care what the numbers are, as long as he holds the winning numbers

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Response to Autumn (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:31 PM

54. and you can be VERY LIBERAL ....and also NOT a Democrat...

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #54)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:41 PM

58. And you can be a democrat and not be a Democrat

Zell Miller comes to mind. I am whatever Bernie is.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #58)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:43 PM

60. Only if you won't vote for whom WE the Democrats elect in OUR Primary Election

 

Since Bernie will and YOU won't....we know who is the better Democrat between you!

By the way...Zell Miller ALSO refused to vote for the Democratic Primary winner John Kerry....so you two have something in common afterall!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #60)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:52 PM

65. Do you know for a fact how Bernie will vote? You dear Nilla can say how you will vote, that does not

make it true. You can say how Bernie or I will vote, that does not make it true. The fact is you really don't know. Thems the facts dear Nilla. Unless you are looking over mine or Bernies back when we vote...... You. Don't. Know. By the way, the primary isn't even close to happening. Get back to me when a politician ( or Hillary) actually announces... until then

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Response to Autumn (Reply #65)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:53 PM

66. Yes I know who dear Bernie will vote for should Hillary Clinton win the nomination....

 

Are you willing to bet whether or not he will throw his support behind her? I am...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #66)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:59 PM

68. Dear Nilla I am not even willing to bet Hillary will run. However I am willing to bet I will throw

my support, my vote, my time and my money to Bernie should he decide to run. I can only say what I will do my friend, I cannot say who Bernie or even you will vote for. i can make an assumption, but you know what they say about assumptions... so I prefer not to make an assumption.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #68)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:30 PM

89. Want to bet on that? Want to bet whether HRC will run?

 

cause I do......

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #89)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:37 PM

91. Then by all means dear Nilla find someone to play your game and make a bet.

As I said it won't be me, I go to a casino and play slots when I gamble. I never bet on a politician. I bet on myself, I know what I will do. That is why I am willing to bet my support, my vote, my time and my money will go to Bernie should he decide to run. With Bernie, I win.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #91)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:40 PM

92. NO I am asking YOU....YOU who seems to think she knows so much....want to gamble on your foolish

 

positions? How about betting whether Bernie will win the Democratic Primary?

No?


That's what I thought.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #92)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:47 PM

96. NO I have given YOU the answers I have chosen to give you in response to your questions.

That's ALL you get. Nothing more.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #66)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:29 PM

81. I meant to ask these folks the other day if any of them have $10,000 they want to bet

on both who will Liz and Bernie vote for if they are not the nominee.

Paypal can hold the money

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Response to randys1 (Reply #81)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:31 PM

90. I know right???

 

They are sooooo sure until asked that....

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Response to randys1 (Reply #81)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:21 PM

102. How exactly do you verify who Liz and Bernie vote for?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #102)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:22 PM

103. Oh, I didnt, I said i have TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS to bet on it, however...game?

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Response to randys1 (Reply #103)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:25 PM

104. Mitt? Is that you?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #104)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:30 PM

105. No, I am just someone who spends lots of time protecting or trying to help in protecting

the right to vote, even though some people here at DU are going OUT OF THEIR WAY to tell Dems NOT TO vote

It infuriates me, in one thread I am arguing with a rightwinger about the absurd notion that alcohol related deaths and gun shot deaths are the same, and in another thread trying to head off the nonsense that threatens voting

I will spend my last dollar, if need be, protecting the right to vote

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #104)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:46 PM

108. That's so Mittenesqe it's scary.

That's hilarious "TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS to bet" who will Liz and Bernie vote for. A bet that can't be proved either way and shockingly enough no takers

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Response to randys1 (Reply #103)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:35 PM

106. That would be a fools bet, you don't know and you don't have a clue who they will vote for.

Most normal people consider their vote to be their business, we mostly vote by what could be called a "secret" ballot here in the US, or we mail them in. We have privacy when we vote. You won't find any suckers to take that silly bet. It can't be proved.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #106)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:38 PM

107. God help us

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:13 AM

5. I'm liberal because I wear stovepipe pants and cool shoes.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:34 PM

82. I'm liberal because I wear a peace sign and no labels.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:38 AM

7. What's annoying to me is that any time a right-winger brings up NPR, they're

always ranting and raving about how "far-left" they are, and it becomes more than obvious that they haven't spent 5 minutes listening to it in anywhere from 10 years to forever.

I listen regularly, as they really do have some great reporting, interspersed with an annoying number of items with a clear conservative/corporatist slant.

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:44 AM

8. Not to mention all

the commercials we are subjected to these past several years.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:30 PM

72. Yet the pledge drives occur with increasing frequency each year.

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #72)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:39 PM

110. Actually

In my area there are commercials or dialogues, at least, for corporations and extractive industry shamelessly included in the segments that used to be for contributing non-profit organization members. Now it's corporations along with little catch phrases in favor of fracking and such. I can imagine that this election cycle we'll start hearing RWNJ partisan schlock along with the semi-news. I also get to hear ads for church with my classical music and none of the NPR talk shows, we don't even get Prairie Home Companion anymore or "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me". And it's the only radio station I can get on FM or AM, short wave is a different story.

Sad to say but I have started yelling at my radio again.

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:55 AM

40. Unless it's Fox or Rush they think *everything* ultra liberal far left

It's called "playing the refs" and the conservatives do it unceasingly.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:45 AM

9. lol

You're also funny.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:49 AM

12. As Joe Madison always says if you don't want to listen to real radio there's NPR

 

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:53 AM

13. NPR is audio valium

 

its Kenny G Christmass tunes ,cutesty materialistic talk about talk and nostalgic dribble.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:58 AM

14. I get my right-wing news from NPR's right-friendly commentators Mara Liasson and Cokie Roberts

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Response to Orrex (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:18 PM

70. Abso-fucking-lutely.

 

Cokie Roberts is the signal to put in a cd.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:58 AM

15. The fact that some attack NPR as being conservative

shows how far to the left they are from the mainstream Democratic Party.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:09 AM

18. hmm

 

... yet another right wingy commentary ...

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Response to Trajan (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:16 AM

20. When someone condemns everyone else as being "right wing"

tells it all.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:03 AM

17. I am extremely far left/liberal and do not listen to NPR cause it became rightwing

 

a long time ago. It just masks itself as leftwing.

It puts a bogus liberal face on rightwing bullshit so soccer moms driving their kids around will swallow the lies.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:23 AM

24. That was my point

People who listen to NPR often think they (NPR and themselves) are very liberal.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:33 AM

26. I got your point.

It seemed to fly right over the heads of most here. WHOOOSSSHHHH!

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:17 AM

21. I am very liberal and I listen to NPR.

I am not liberal because I listen to NPR.

It suits me just fine.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:36 AM

27. The death of NPR was very sad to watch.

 

RIP

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:46 AM

32. Did I miss something? What is the purpose of this thread? it seems like a response

to something.

I've been in a conference this week? something happen?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:54 AM

38. oh, ok, thanks for filling me in

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:31 PM

53. it went over the heads of most

a ppp poll might consider jeb bush very liberal

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:50 AM

35. Insidious

Me to wife: Why are you still listening to that shit?

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:52 AM

36. I sadly gave up on NPR.

Their guests nowadays seem to be imbalanced and slanted towards Republicans lately.

I was frustrated with Dianne Rehm's lack of knowledge about the net neutrality issue or anything really technical lately that she is unable to call bs on her guests who would spew lies.

When an idiot puts out a blanket statement that America has one of the fastest internet in the world, that is just a massive lie. We are ranked around 20-27, and more expensive than any where else.

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Response to Xyzse (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:58 AM

41. Exactly, the tsunami of right wing garbage is exceedingly difficult to completely ignore..

And those who don't have the time or inclination to sift through and find out the actual facts end up accepting it because it's everywhere.

The Big Lie technique still works..

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:01 PM

43. It does.

Which is why I am a bit torn with NPR.

On one hand, if I support them, then it would help mitigate the steady decline that they are going through.
On the other, is it too late? Would it be better to just find a better source? If so, where would I find one, or can I get Al Gore to fund it?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:35 PM

56. The rightward slanting terrain even impacts who people think they are - most self-identified "Very

Liberal" people really aren't, but compared to the extreme wing-nuttery they see and hear in the mass media (including NPR/CPB), they feel boxed into a corner. That's a basic self-identification problem that impacts polling.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #56)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:55 PM

67. I notice that OP about the "very liberal" poll being only 5% against Hillary has dropped off

And the same poster is trying a different tactic now.

Yeah, you explicitly state what I was implying in this OP...

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Response to Xyzse (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:36 PM

57. I gave up on NPR during the 2000 campaign...

...when Cokie Roberts "reported" on the Bush "Charm Offensive"

She said that, if elected, Bush would would use his "charm" to get things done in DC.

Oh, and more Americans would rather have a beer with Bush than with Gore.

(And Bush liked to give out nicknames, too)

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Response to KansDem (Reply #57)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:51 PM

64. I gave them up last year.

I am still a bit sad about it.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:53 AM

37. I'm liberal ...because I like liberals ...who are liberal ...liberally speaking of course.

 

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:04 PM

44. POV is a funny thing.

When Bill Clinton ran, Republicans said Democrats ran the most liberal Democrat in America. Then, Al Gore became the most liberal Democrat in America. Then John Kerry won the title. Before Obama won the 2008 nomination, Hillary Clinton and President Obama were both called the most liberal Democrat in America. I will guarantee that whoever wins the nomination will be called the most Liberal Democrat in America.

In 2012, George W. Bush was called a "Big Government Liberal;" and right now, Jeb Bush is being called a "Big Government Liberal" by Republicans.

Republicans don't have a fucking clue how to define a liberal.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #44)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:08 PM

45. Playing the refs..

The conservatives have it down to a science and it's damn difficult not to get sucked in because it's unrelenting and everywhere.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #45)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:12 PM

47. I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. Will Rogers

Sadly, that statement remains pretty damn accurate.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #47)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:16 PM

49. It can't be otherwise with only two parties that actually count for anything..

There are simply too many different viewpoints to shoehorn them all into two parties and have them be remotely self-consistent.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #49)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:29 PM

51. Parties in the US are coalitons of groups.

It is much easier to recognize party in a parliamentary system.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:28 PM

50. Steve Inskeep with his lack of follow up questions to RW senators/reps

drove me to an local morning tv show. I get the weather, traffic, silly happy chat and a lot of commercials, but it raises my BP less then hollering @ the radio, "Ask the obvious follow up Steve!"

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:45 PM

61. My radio is dialed into NPR during daylight hours...

and I discover their news mirrors DU's latest Breaking News page almost to a 'T'. I'm often amused to be reading a story on DU while NPR is covering it.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:02 PM

69. Were you asleep for the first decade and a half of the 21st Century?

Ill, perhaps? In a coma? *Not intended as a factual statement, either... but hey, a thread that starts out with deserves a little mild in return, no?

So glad you recovered fully--but here are a few items you missed during that period:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/16/business/media/16radio.html?

Mr. Tomlinson has been waging a campaign to correct what he and other conservatives see as a liberal bias in public television programming. That effort has been criticized by leaders of public television who say it poses a threat to their editorial independence. At the request of two senior Democratic members of Congress, the inspector general at the corporation is examining whether Mr. Tomlinson's decision to monitor only one television program, "Now," with Bill Moyers, and his decision to retain a White House official who helped create guidelines for the two ombudsmen may have violated a law that is supposed to insulate public broadcasting from politics.

But the law also assigns the corporation the responsibility of ensuring balance and objectivity in programming, a function that Mr. Tomlinson says is of paramount importance for the sustained viability and political support of public broadcasting.

About a quarter of the corporation's $400 million budget goes to radio, with most of the rest to television. NPR recently received a huge bequest from the estate of Joan B. Kroc, the widow of the founder of McDonald's, and it gets only about 1 percent of its overall funds directly from the corporation. But its member stations are far more reliant on the corporation's money, and they use a significant part of that to buy programs produced by NPR and others.

Last month, the corporation's board, which is dominated by Republicans named by President Bush, told the staff at a meeting that it should prepare to redirect the relatively modest number of grants available for radio programs away from national news, officials at the corporation and NPR said.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8067-2005Apr21.html

Liberal commentator Bill Moyers is out on PBS stations. Buster the animated rabbit is under a cloud of suspicion. And right-wing yakkers from the Wall Street Journal editorial page have been handed their own public-television chat show.

Some observers, including people inside the Public Broadcasting Service, see these recent developments as troubling. PBS, they say, is being forced to toe a more conservative line in its programming by the Republican-dominated agency that provides about $30 million in federal funds to the Alexandria-based service.


NPR was lost a good decade ago. Most people noticed this as it was happening, and mourned the loss. Why, even here at DU, people noticed!!!! These threads, from "OLD DU" are really worth a read:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1678974


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x100761

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2312806

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Response to MADem (Reply #69)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:37 PM

73. And yet conservatives and Republicans are still screaming about ultra liberal NPR

Plenty of people think NPR is liberal still and many of those people still listen to it.

A decade or so ago is when I largely stopped listening to them for exactly the reason you so cogently outline in your post.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #73)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:54 PM

75. Of COURSE they are!! And they'll KEEP screaming, long and loud!

Why? Because those turds like playing the VICTIM!! They love to paint themselves as aggrieved and put-upon...like people are supposed to feel sorry for those fat cats!! It's how they rally their base--they paint themselves as a put-upon minority, fighting "powerful forces of evil" -- sort of like a bad superhero comic!

Waaah--the liberals are being MEAN to me! There's a WAR on CHRISTMAS!! They won't LET a 'businessman' run his business with all their stupid demands that workers be allowed a modicum of healthcare!! They're taking away my RELIGION with all these gay people MARRYING! Oh, the Huge Manatee!!!

I mean, really--cue the violins! Bonehead has the tears and hanky routine down to a science! Those bullying Dems, doncha know!!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #75)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:59 PM

77. There's more to it than that, they are "playing the refs" and have been doing so for decades..

The more the Republicans scream about NPR being ultra left the more NPR tries not to appear biased to the left, the more they move to the the right.

They are moving the Overton window consistently to the right and anyone who notices is an ultra-liberal.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:49 PM

74. An elderly neighbor thinks of me as under-educated

because I don't listen to NPR and don't get many of his references to radio shows there. I support funding of NPR politically, but the truth is it's a generational thing - I get my information from the Internet, and it's hard for me to listen to "talk" while reading at the same time. I rarely listen to the radio at all. I think if people in my generation do listen to the radio, it would be while commuting work in their cars. However, if they take mass transit to work, they are likely to be preoccupied with their phones or iPads instead.

Anyway, I don't think NPR or the opinions its pundits and reviewers disseminates are as universal as the older generation of Democrats thinks it is...

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Response to daredtowork (Reply #74)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:56 PM

76. I'm probably of similar age to your neighbor

I have a radio in a drawer for emergencies and no TV at all..

Not all of us olds are stuck totally in the past but I do get your point and thanks for replying to my OP.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:10 PM

79. Dubya's NPR? That's how I think of it. Ever since his 911, NPR has been RW. nt

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:34 PM

83. 57% of republicans think Obama is a Muslim...I can go on...both parties the same?

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Response to randys1 (Reply #83)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:39 PM

84. I don't recall saying that both parties are the same..

Perhaps you haven't seen my other recent OP?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026279173

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #84)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:40 PM

85. This thread appeared to break down into that argument again, in a backdoor kind of way

IDK which side of that issue you are on, I just replied

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Response to randys1 (Reply #85)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:43 PM

86. And if it didn't break down that way we have you to drag it there..

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #86)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:46 PM

87. Aww, so I was right, and I didnt know , seriously, I was just responding

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Response to randys1 (Reply #87)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:50 PM

88. So you agree that NPR is ultra-liberal?

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:58 PM

100. LOL!

 

I bow down to your skills at bringing them out of the woodworks!

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