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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:21 PM Feb 2015

Prescott Bush was a Nazi-whore, but his father Samuel was worse (WWI)

The Bush family has been starting wars for nearly a century.




Samuel Prescott Bush (1863 October 4 Brick Church NJ - 1948 February 8 Columbus OH) was the father of Senator Prescott Bush, grandfather of George H. W. Bush and greatgrandfather George W. Bush.

He was the son of the Rev. James Smith Bush.

The Grand Patriarch of the Bush clan founded the Buckeye Steel Castings Company of Ohio in 1894 as The Buckeye Malleable Iron & Coupler Company. They manufactured steel car couplers for trains, truck bodies, bolsters, truck fenders, yokes, and (among other things) made railway parts for the Harrimans. The two families were closely associated at least until the end of World War II. Samuel, as did all the other Industrialists of the time, grew very wealthy and influential.

He was the first president of National Manufacturers Association, and cofounder of Scioto Country Club and Columbus Academy.

In the spring of 1918, Bush became chief of the Ordnance, Small Arms and Ammunition Section of the War Industries Board of Bernard Baruch and Clarence Dillon, with national responsibility for government assistance to and relations with Remington and other weapons companies.BUsh was essentially taking national responsibility for government assistance to his own Remington Arms Company and other weapon makers. Through these weapons manufacturers, Samuel Bush made and sold arms to 75% of the WWI combatants on both sides.

Senate hearings in 1934 by the Nye committee attacked the ‘Merchants of Death’—war profiteers such as Remington Arms and the British Vickers company—whose salesmen had manipulated many nations into war and then supplied weapons to all sides.

Unfortunately most of the records and correspondence of Bush's arms-related section of the government have been burned ‘to save space’ in the National Archives.

****How convenient...****

Tarpley and Chaitkin say:

"With the war mobilization conducted under the supervision of the War Industries Board, U.S. consumers and taxpayers showered unprecedented fortunes on war producers and certain holders of raw materials and patents. Hearings in 1934 by the committee of U.S. Senator Gerald Nye attacked the "Merchants of Death", war profiteers such as Remington Arms and the British Vickers company, whose salesmen had manipulated many nations into wars, and then supplied all sides with the weapons to fight them. Most of the records and correspondence of Samuel Bush's arms- related section of the government have been burned, "to save space" in the National Archives. This matter of destroyed or misplaced records should be of concern to citizens of a constitutional republic. Unfortunately, it is a rather constant impediment with regard to researching George Bush's background: He is certainly the most "covert" American chief executive."

Samuel Bush was labeled a "Merchant of Death" in the years following the Great War as investigations began into the instigators of the war and of the new emerging world militarism. The German Army under the Kaiser was the largest and most well armed in the world in 1914, and they were largely armed by Samuel Bush. After WWI, Germany was stripped of their arms, but Samuel Bush was allowed to keep his millions, and his arms business was allowed to grow and prosper. In 1944 he was awarded a huge government contract to make armor casings for WWII. He died shortly after the war ended in 1948, within months of the passage of the National Security Act.

The empire of Evil.


-----------------------------------------

THE BUSH EMPIRE

How four generations of arms, oil, fascism, and US Govt. defiance made America's First Family

by Charles Shaw

"Almost everybody knows that George W. is the son of the 41st President. But fewer know that the family has wielded power in corporate boardrooms and capital corridors for a century and a half. On his mom's side, he's related to Franklin Pierce, the 14th President (1853-57). His dad's paternal grandfather, Samuel P. Bush, was an Ohio steel executive and the first president of the National Association of Manufacturers. Samuel's son, Prescott, became a Connecticut senator. Prescott's wife, Dorothy, was the daughter of George Herbert Walker, a co-founder of Brown Brothers Harriman, the oldest and largest private investment house on Wall Street. The Walker family helped finance the construction of Madison Square Garden and the Belmont Park racetrack--and later owned a big chunk of the New York Mets"


--Business Week, Nov 15, 1999

The previous quote embodies the public face of the Bush family, one of the richest and most influential American political dynasties in all our history. But it is almost shocking how little people actually know about the Bush family, particularly the history of the Bush men. I thought we might look beneath the veneer at the true face of America's political dynasty.

I am going to open with a story that is guaranteed to blow your hair back. This is a story that has been impossible to confirm in the mainstream press. Of course, this is part of the whole story, and why curiously the story keeps surfacing and disappearing all over the Internet. At the very least, this story is referred to enough to qualify as a modern legend. This is the extraordinary story of a dinner date that was scheduled to happen on March 31st 1981, the day of the strange assassination attempt on the life of former President Ronald Reagan. What should have been the biggest story of the 1980's seems to have been wiped clean from history, systematically prevented from ever again being mentioned by corporate media.

SNIP

http://www.newtopiamagazine.net/issues/v2issue3/feature...



From the DU archives


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x633661

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Prescott Bush was a Nazi-whore, but his father Samuel was worse (WWI) (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 OP
Bush Crime Family misterhighwasted Feb 2015 #1
... napkinz Feb 2015 #26
Good Lord! BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #41
Actually, the "in charge of WTC security" meme is utter nonsense. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #50
The head of security for the WTC was FBI agent John O'Neill may he RIP. Rex Feb 2015 #65
Excellent post. Major Hogwash Feb 2015 #45
I am actually a distant relative, crime runs deep in that family. gordianot Feb 2015 #2
On a related note, I knew of a family whose father was Cheney's brother. no_hypocrisy Feb 2015 #3
My Grandfather announced that George H.W was ???? boy. gordianot Feb 2015 #10
So am I, damn the bad luck! n/t dgibby Feb 2015 #46
My condolences. n/t gordianot Feb 2015 #53
That link takes you to fitness magazine. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #4
it didn't back then...... in 2003 on DU Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #8
You realise "Tarpley and Chaitkin" are Larouche people, don't you? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #35
Found it at the Internet archives: BeanMusical Feb 2015 #47
This is 2015 BainsBane Feb 2015 #56
At least Prescott picked a side. n/t Orsino Feb 2015 #5
Intellectuals Agree Octafish Feb 2015 #6
Seems like the phrase "like father - like son" may have been created for this family. And regarding jwirr Feb 2015 #7
some misinformation in that piece which makes me wonder about the reliability of the rest of it: ND-Dem Feb 2015 #9
Octafish can straighten out what he sees is wrong Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #13
I've also done a great deal of research about the Bush family. Samuel Bush did not found, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #15
'Sam Bush was in his era to Remington Arms what Dick Cheney is to Halliburton in ours.' Octafish Feb 2015 #16
I saw your name within the comments in the op Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #17
Weird isn't it? Octafish Feb 2015 #57
and nowhere does that say bush founded or owned buckeye steel. it says he started out as ND-Dem Feb 2015 #18
Thank you. I believe we all appreciate your information. Octafish Feb 2015 #55
wonder how much of this is accurate. wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #38
I've gotten through a third of it... Octafish Feb 2015 #52
Rockefeller did not own or control Remington; Marcellus Dodge did muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #48
Thanks. That's why I source my posts. Octafish Feb 2015 #51
I hope the Bush family sues me for slandering their Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #54
But you may as well get your facts right muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #58
That's why investigating secret government insiders is so difficult. Octafish Feb 2015 #59
Prescott Bush was also part of the American Liberty League that attempted a coup . . . brush Feb 2015 #11
BBC4: The White House Coup, 1933 Octafish Feb 2015 #36
much to digest/ verify. Romney distant cousin too laserhaas Feb 2015 #12
1934... freebrew Feb 2015 #14
"Whore" is too good of a word to describe any Bush. n/t Hepburn Feb 2015 #19
The real question is how sulphurdunn Feb 2015 #20
IIRC the Bush/Walker family fortune began with profiteering hifiguy Feb 2015 #21
Any family that pals with this family is suspect in my book Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #25
George H.W. Bush Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #40
Great post. Should be an OP! hifiguy Feb 2015 #42
This Gets No MSM Scrutiny colsohlibgal Feb 2015 #22
"Samuel, as did all the other Industrialists of the time, grew very wealthy and influential." alcibiades_mystery Feb 2015 #23
This is dumb...it provides no evidence that Bush sold arms to Germany alcibiades_mystery Feb 2015 #24
Prescott Bush never sold arms hifiguy Feb 2015 #43
I usually tie the BFEE back to everything that's ever gone wrong in the US since 1935 Doctor_J Feb 2015 #27
My experience of the Bush fascist corporate empire polynomial Feb 2015 #28
blame the mainstream media Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #29
Thank you Polynomial 1norcal Feb 2015 #61
This might explain why both Spitfire and Bf109 have exact same engine mast dimensions. TRoN33 Feb 2015 #30
According to this article, a new engine support had to be designed... Kaleva Feb 2015 #66
when I click on that last link d_r Feb 2015 #31
Would be interested gladium et scutum Feb 2015 #32
no surprise heaven05 Feb 2015 #33
It's just shocking that they are Republicans,! world wide wally Feb 2015 #34
Treason - dflprincess Feb 2015 #37
Paul Wellstone toothless dragon Feb 2015 #44
I have my opinions dflprincess Feb 2015 #63
This supports Jessie Jackson's presidential warning... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #39
Can you imagine what the Repubs and the MSM would be doing if Obama's family had a similar history? bulloney Feb 2015 #49
Kicking......n/t Hotler Feb 2015 #60
I Knew it... ileus Feb 2015 #62
I very highly doubt that the Imperial German Army was largely armed by Samuel Bush Kaleva Feb 2015 #64

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
1. Bush Crime Family
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:27 PM
Feb 2015

..and Jeb wants a seat at the top now, to continue the legacy of the family criminal enterprise

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
41. Good Lord!
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:16 AM
Feb 2015

I didn't know about all of those. Jesus what a family of utter scumbags. The security chief of the WTC? And married to the Koch's? Unbelievable!

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
50. Actually, the "in charge of WTC security" meme is utter nonsense.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 08:49 AM
Feb 2015

The Port Authority owned the WTC buildings and was responsible for security. Securacom had a contract to install a security system in the towers after the 1993 bombing, but wasn't even remotely "in charge of WTC security." Marvin Bush also left Securacom in 2000, over a year before the attack.

Kind of calls a lot of that graphic into question.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
65. The head of security for the WTC was FBI agent John O'Neill may he RIP.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:06 AM
Feb 2015

The Marvin Bush meme is Alex Jones drivel.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
2. I am actually a distant relative, crime runs deep in that family.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:35 PM
Feb 2015

Given my state of relative poverty some ancestor made a good choice.

no_hypocrisy

(46,080 posts)
3. On a related note, I knew of a family whose father was Cheney's brother.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:39 PM
Feb 2015

The brother was a minister and the children do charitable work. And they NEVER spoke of Uncle Dick even back in the Sixties. I mean they stopped the topic as soon as his name was raised.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
10. My Grandfather announced that George H.W was ???? boy.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:54 PM
Feb 2015

I assume the name was Prescott but do not remember. This was when he became head of the CIA. After some Bushes became President I do not want to know. It does worry what may be lurking in the family genome.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
8. it didn't back then...... in 2003 on DU
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:46 PM
Feb 2015

I'm sure the data is still there somewhere.

things get bought out and then get put down the memory hole

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
35. You realise "Tarpley and Chaitkin" are Larouche people, don't you?
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:40 PM
Feb 2015

From the thread that works:

"The authors you describe pale in significance when compared to Tarpley and Chaitkin. Say what you will about the Lyndon Larouche organization but they have some great historians and writers."

Tarpley maintains that the September 11 attacks were engineered by a rogue network of the military-industrial complex and intelligence agencies as a false flag operation.[9]

On November 21, 2011, while traveling to Syria, Tarpley told Syria's Addounia TV that the Syrian Civil War was a NATO-CIA ploy to destabilize Syria using mercenaries and death squads against the population and the Syrian government.[10]

On April 2, 2012, C-SPAN aired 9/11, False Flags, and Black Ops: An Evening of Debate, in which Tarpley debated his critic Jonathan Kay on conspiracy theories, specifically the truth behind the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.[11]

On June 7, 2012, interviewed for the NRK (Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation) regarding the 2011 Norway attacks, Tarpley said, "I believe that the evidence points to a private network, or even a NATO network, within the police that contributed the long time delay until they stormed the Island."[12]

Tarpley proposed on June 18, 2013, at PressTV, that revelations about the National Security Agency (NSA) by NSA computer system administrator Edward Snowden outlining global and domestic spying by US intelligence agencies might be seen as a "CIA limited hangout operation," that is, to publicize minor public manipulation operations to conceal greater covert misdeeds such as promoting war in the Middle East. He claimed such "gullibility" operations could be traced from Daniel Ellsberg to Julian Assange's WikiLeaks, with a legacy in perfidious politics and governance since the 17th century.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster_Tarpley

Without a proper source, this isn't worth the electrons it takes to display it on the screen. Did you wonder why dutchdemocrat (author of that OP) and ArkDem (the Larouche admirer) got tombstoned?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. Intellectuals Agree
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:44 PM
Feb 2015


Law Professor wonders if the Bushes are a continuing criminal enterprise.



The Bush Family: A Continuing Criminal Enterprise?

Gary W. Potter, PhD.
Professor, Criminal Justice
Eastern Kentucky University

The S&Ls, the Mob and the Bushs

During the 1980's hundred of Savings and Loan Banks failed. Those bank failures cost U.S. taxpayers over $500 billion to cover federally insured losses, and much more to investigate the bank failures (Pizzo, Fricker, and Muolo, 1989; Brewton, 1992; Johnston, 1990). More than 75% of the Savings and Loan insolvencies where directly linked to serious and often criminal misconduct by senior financial insiders (Pizzo, Fricker and Muolo, 1989: 305). In fact, less than 10 percent of bank failures are related to economic conditions, the rest are caused by mismanagement or criminal conduct (Pizzo, Fricker and Muolo, 1989: 305).

A good example of the Savings and Loan failures can be found in the activities of Mario Renda, a Savings and Loan insider who often worked in close collaboration with organized crime (Pizzo, Fricker and Muolo, 1989: 123-126;302). Renda served as a middle man in arranging about $5 billion a year in deposits into 130 Savings and Loans, all of which failed (Kwitny, 1992: 27). Many of these deposits were made contingent on an agreement that the Savings and Loan involved would lend money to borrowers recommended by Renda, many of whom were organized crime figures or people entirely unknown to the banking institution involved (Kwitny, 1992: 27).

SNIP...

Prescott Bush: The Yakuza’s Frontman

Finally, and perhaps most seriously, the Bush family pioneered the practice which has now become commonplace of collaboration between corporate and organized criminals. Prescott Bush, uncle of the current President and brother of the former President, played a key role in helping the Japanese Yakuza extend their financial and real estate holdings to the United States. In 1989, Prescott Bush made arrangements for a front company for Japanese organized crime groups to buy into two U.S. corporations and to make a sizeable real investment in the U.S. (Helm, 1991a: 1; Isikoff, 1992: A1). West Tsusho, a Japanese corporation, was identified by Japanese police officials as a front company for one of that country’s largest organized crime syndicates. Prescott Bush was paid a fee of $500,000 for his help in negotiating West Tsusho’s purchase of controlling interest in Assets Management, a U.S. corporation (Helm, 1991a: 1; Isikoff, 1992: A1). Bush also assisted the Japanese mob in investing in Quantam Access, a U.S. software company, which was ultimately taken over by the Japanese (Helm, 1991b: 10; Isikoff, 1992: A1). Both companies ultimately went into bankruptcy (Isikoff, 1992: A1; Moses, 1992).

George Bush Sr.: Shutting Down the Organize Crime Strike Forces

Despite assessments from senior law enforcement officers and experts on organized crime that efforts to control organized crime would be crippled, in December 1989, the administration of George Bush, Sr. abolished all 14 regional organized crime strike forces (McAlister, 1989: A 21; Struck out, 1990). The organized crime strike had been created as independent entities so they would not be subject to political influences or bureaucratic wrangling within federal law enforcement. In the two decades of their operation the strike forces had secured convictions of major organized crime figures in several U.S. cities (Struck out, 1990). It is at the very least curious to note that the federal strike force in Miami had been responsible for indicting Miguel Recarey, the man for whom Jeb Bush had intervened with regulators. Organized crime strike forces had similarly indicted Mario Renda, the organized crime liaison to the S& L’s, as well as several other key figures in the Savings and Loan Fiasco (Pizzo, Fricker, and Mulolo, 1989: 112, 120-123, 303, 337).

CONTINUED...

http://critcrim.org/critpapers/potter.htm



That's the way a professor of criminal justice puts it. Bartcop, to get a better handle on War Inc's first family, called them the "BFEE" for short.

Thank you for an excellent OP and thread, Ichingcarpenter! This subject is NEVER discussed in the mainstream news media for some reason and only SELDOM addressed on DU.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. Seems like the phrase "like father - like son" may have been created for this family. And regarding
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:45 PM
Feb 2015

Jeb - the apple does not fall far from the tree.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
9. some misinformation in that piece which makes me wonder about the reliability of the rest of it:
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:47 PM
Feb 2015
The Grand Patriarch of the Bush clan founded the Buckeye Steel Castings Company of Ohio in 1894 as The Buckeye Malleable Iron & Coupler Company.

bush didn't found buckeye steel. he was just a hired hand. he didn't even hire into the company until 1901.

Sam Bush was the son of a not-so-successful minister and himself became successful through his association with the harrimans and rockefellers.


Buckeye, named for the Ohio Buckeye tree, was founded in Columbus as the Murray-Hayden Foundry, which made iron farm implements. Finding success manufacturing iron railroad car couplers, the name changed to the Buckeye Automatic Car Coupler Company in 1891 and Buckeye Malleable Iron and Coupler Company in 1894. Eventually demand for stronger coupling assemblies led to a switch to steel and the name Buckeye Steel Castings.

The business was closely associated with rail baron E.H. Harriman and for some time was controlled by Frank Rockefeller, the brother of oil magnate John D. Rockefeller. In 1901 Buckeye hired Samuel Prescott "S.P." Bush as General Manager. Bush, a graduate of Stevens Institute of Technology, had worked his way up from apprentice mechanic at the locally-based Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railroad to Superintendent of Motive Power at that railroad and, briefly, the Milwaukee Road. In 1908 Rockefeller departed and Bush took over as President, a job he would hold until 1928. During this period Bush became known as a top industrialist and had political influence in Washington, D.C..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckeye_Steel_Castings



Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
13. Octafish can straighten out what he sees is wrong
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:11 PM
Feb 2015

sense he has been researching and reporting on this for the last decade.

However you must realize the Bush family on wikipedia is one the most heavily edited areas you can find ......... read george h. w. bush's wikipedia. it was edited more than 500 times

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_H._W._Bush&action=history

I was on another forum discussing something and found the DU link and thought I would share.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
15. I've also done a great deal of research about the Bush family. Samuel Bush did not found,
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:16 PM
Feb 2015

and did not own, Buckeye.

http://www.columbuscastings.com/history.html
http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Buckeye_Steel_Castings_Company?rec=854

He was a hired hand and a lackey of the harrimans and rockefellers. that's how the bushes achieved their present position, and that's why sam's son went to work for the harrimans too.


Buckeye Steel's history:

1881 Murray-Hayden - manufacturing malleable iron products

1883 Munsen Hayden - Murray sells to Munsen

1886 Buckeye Malleable Company In

1891 Buckeye Automatic Car Coupler Company formed using Buckeye Malleable Company's castings

1892 Frank Rockefeller ( John D. Rockefeller's brother ) becomes Shareholder

1894 Buckeye Malleable Iron and Coupler Company formed from the merger of Buckeye Malleable Company and Buckeye Automatic Car Coupler Company.

1902 Buckeye Malleable Iron and Coupler Company opens new "South Plant"

1903 Buckeye Steel Castings - South Plant renamed after steel production becomes the center of operations.

1905 Frank Rockefeller becomes President of Buckeye Steel

1908 Samuel Prescott Bush becomes President of Buckeye Steel

1917 Buckeye opens forge shop for WWI.

1937 A.H. Thomas becomes President of Buckeye Steel

1944 Buckeye begins making armor castings for WWII.

1947 Cushion Ride design begins testings.

1963 Equipment installed to produce cast iron soil pipe.

1964 Universal Hermann Moldmaster installation.

1965 30 ton electric furnace installed.

1967 Buckeye International created due to diversity of the company into plastics, microelectronics.

1980 Division of Worthington Industries

1999 Worthington sells Buckeye

2002 Buckeye Steel Castings closes down

http://scripophily.net/bucsteelcasc4.html

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
16. 'Sam Bush was in his era to Remington Arms what Dick Cheney is to Halliburton in ours.'
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:22 PM
Feb 2015
Samuel Prescott Bush

Father of Prescott Sheldon Bush, grandfather to George Herbert Walker Bush (Poppy), great-grandfather to George Walker Bush (Dubya).

Sam Bush was in his era to Remington Arms what Dick Cheney is to Halliburton in ours. Son of an Episcopal minister, he switched to a darker religion. Sam started out as low-management for railroads, where he made the connections needed to move over to Buckeye Steel Castings Company. Buckeye harbored railroad strike-breaker sentiment from the president on down. It's founder was member of the "Cleveland Gatling Gun Battery",[1] called a military and social organization, set up in 1878, the year after nationwide railroad strikes.

This guns and railroad connection returns for World War I, when Buckeye Steel produced gun barrels and shell casings, and Sam Bush was moved by his patrons into the position of chief of the Ordnance, Small Arms and Ammunition Section of the War Industries Board. Bush took national responsibility for government assistance to and relations with Remington and other weapons companies.[2] This was during the time that Buckeye Steel was casting gun barrels and Bush was president of Buckeye.

Preacher's son Bush looks innocent until you are informed that his patron, Percy Rockefeller took control of Remington Arms in 1914. Frank Rockefeller was president of Buckeye Steel for three years from 1905-1908, followed by Sam Bush from 1908-1927, throughout the WWI years and the gunbarrel sales era of Buckeye.[3] In 1915 a new Remington plant was constructed, operational by 1916 for the first world war, just in time to get a million rifle order from Russia.[4], [5] 67% of all the ammunition used in WWI by the US, Britain and Russia was sold by "Merchants of Death" Remington. Somebody got a no-bid contract on gun barrels for their company.

Pumping up nations war aspirations is good business for some, and the Bush family has been engaged in it for four generations.
Samuel Bush donated a son Prescott Sheldon Bush to the marriage of Dorothy Walker, daughter of George Herbert Walker. The name Walker thence comes in the middle of two George Bush presidents.

See George Herbert Walker's story for the other half of this history of where Bush Family Values were created.

SOURCE w/links: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Samuel_Prescott_Bush

DU saw something wrong way back when:

Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
57. Weird isn't it?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:22 AM
Feb 2015

Seeing stuff from so long ago, and seeing how little of it has gotten anyone prosecuted.

Something else the old and new threads show:

1. The system is corrupt.
2. The media lie.
3. The People are not stupid.
4. DU is helping save Democracy.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
18. and nowhere does that say bush founded or owned buckeye steel. it says he started out as
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:29 PM
Feb 2015

a low-level flunkey in the railroad biz and made connections, which is how he landed a job as president of buckeye steel.


"Sam started out as low-management for railroads, where he made the connections needed to move over to Buckeye Steel Castings Company."

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
55. Thank you. I believe we all appreciate your information.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:19 AM
Feb 2015

What I believe the OP was trying to do is add to what we know, but seldom gets covered in the Corporate Owned News and academia.

In the present instance, a lot of what was posted on DU in 2003 has been superceded by new information. For instance:

Prescott Bush was a Nazi-whore, but his father Samuel was worse (WWI)

Please know I am not asking you to go through the old post and go over or refute line-per-line. I just want to show what we once understood and have since 2003 learned. When it comes to the warmongers, what we have learned only reinforces what we knew.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
52. I've gotten through a third of it...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:11 AM
Feb 2015

Apart from the geezer mispronouncing Luciano a bunch, not much to beef about.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
48. Rockefeller did not own or control Remington; Marcellus Dodge did
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 06:14 AM
Feb 2015

and he had it because his grandfather, Marcellus Hartley, had taken it over in 1888 (and also owned UMC and Winchester):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Arms_Company
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcellus_Hartley_Dodge,_Sr.

It was sold to Du Pont in 1933.

Now, Dodge was married to (Ethel) Geraldine Rockefeller, sister of Percy Rockefeller; she and Percy were niece and nephew of Frank Rockefeller, who was the owner of Buckeye, where Samuel Bush was president:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Rockefeller

However, he was not on good terms with Geraldine and Percy's father William Avery Rockefeller:

Frank Rockefeller refused to speak to his brothers John and William Jr. until his death, despite William attempting reconciliation in the summer of 1916. Frank said later that year "There's not the slightest possibility of a reconciliation." Frank died the following year. His funeral was held on April 17, 1917 at the home of Mrs. Walter S. Bowler. The funeral was attended by his brothers, John and William, the former being described in the press as "looking tired and careworn."

So, by the time Bush was appointed to that government board, the Rockefeller to whom he was close had died, and he had not been on good terms with the branch of the family that had married into the Remington Arms family. And there's none of the accusations of arming the Germans that the OP from the Larouche organisation makes.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
54. I hope the Bush family sues me for slandering their
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:15 AM
Feb 2015

criminal, fascist, arms merchant, murdering, war mongering family name.....................you can testify for them.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
59. That's why investigating secret government insiders is so difficult.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:33 AM
Feb 2015

Wish DU had a giant bench filled with professional researchers and journalists, access to Lexis-Nexis, the lawyers needed to pry loose FOIA requests and defend DUers in court, as well as the financial resources needed to battle the richest, most powerful and the most corrupt people on the planet. We don't, but we do our best. And our damndest.


brush

(53,764 posts)
11. Prescott Bush was also part of the American Liberty League that attempted a coup . . .
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:02 PM
Feb 2015

against FDR in the '30s. It was foiled by Gen. Smedley Butler (writer of "War is a Racket&quot who was recruited by the League to form an army of out of work veterans to take over the U.S. government.

It's fact. Google it.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
36. BBC4: The White House Coup, 1933
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:58 PM
Feb 2015

"As the Great Depression gripped the US during the 1930s, some of Wall Street's most famous names plotted to replace the new liberal-minded president Franklin Delano Roosevelt with a fascist leader."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007tbs0

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
12. much to digest/ verify. Romney distant cousin too
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:06 PM
Feb 2015

JFK 9/11 and now to ponder the Ronnie hit posdibility (makes much sense)

Los Angeles Public Corruption Task Force being Shut Fown was par for the course (see L.A. Times "Shake-up roils federal prosecutors&quot

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
14. 1934...
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:13 PM
Feb 2015

Prescott and buddies attempted a coup that would have turned the US into another Nazi state.
This included an attempt to assassinate FDR.
Gen. Smedley Butler testified to congress to that effect.

No one was prosecuted. Go figure...

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
21. IIRC the Bush/Walker family fortune began with profiteering
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:54 PM
Feb 2015

during the Civil War. That evil clan of American Borgias has been screwing the rest of the country for 150 years. They should be extirpated, root and branch, from American public life in perpetuity. Pure evil. Flamethrowers and guillotines for the lot of them.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
40. George H.W. Bush
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:06 AM
Feb 2015

The real George H.W. Bush was a cynical, indeed ruthless, operative who would do or say pretty much anything to achieve his goals. He was part of the elite ruling class that emerged from World War II.

As Republican National Chairman in 1973, he tried to help Richard Nixon slip away from the Watergate scandal. And in 1976, Bush fit easily into the sinister world of the CIA. As CIA director, he oversaw one of the bloodiest years in the CIA-backed repression across South America, including the infamous Condor assassination program, which even reached into Washington with the car-bombing death of Chilean dissident Orlando Letelier. Bush also used that year at the CIA's helm to build contacts with intelligence operatives who would reappear at Bush's side in 1980, when they had common interests in easing President Carter out of the way.

Those CIA colleagues also assisted Bush as vice president when he was handling secretive operations such as the off-the-books support for the Nicaraguan Contras and clandestine weapons shipments into the Middle East. After the Iran-Contra scandal broke, Bush hid his diaries so they could not be used in any investigations and then when Special Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh was finally closing in on the criminal cover-up in late 1992, then-President Bush pardoned six Iran-Contra defendants, insuring that the trail of crimes would never reach his door.

Some of Bush’s other notable, but generally under-reported, contributions include:

1) Helping to orchestrate the “October Surprise,” in which the Iranian government was bribed or coerced into holding the American hostages until after the 1980 election, thereby helping to ensure Carter’s defeat and a Reagan/Bush victory.

2) The assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan two months after he took office. The Hinkley family, a Houston oil family, are long-time friends of the Bushes.

3) Presiding over the Savings and Loan/HUD scandal, in which taxpayers were made to pay over $500 billion for bailing out failed S&Ls. Son Neil Bush, director of Silverado Savings and Loan in Denver, is reported to have personally profited by about $1 billion.

4) As VP and therefore Head of the National Security Council’s Groups on Crisis Management, Drug Addiction, and Terrorism, Bush directed the Iran-Contra drug scandal, in which the secret government (comprised of ex-CIA and military intelligence operatives and businessmen) diverted profits from illegal arms sales to Iran to illegally fund the revolutionary Contras of Nicaragua and the Mujahadeen of Afghanistan. Under CIA protection, these covert operators flew vast quantities of cocaine and heroin into the poor neighborhoods of America, again using drug profits to fund the illegal covert war in Nicaragua, etc.

5) Under Bush’s watch, the CIA spent over $3 billion dollars fomenting holy war (“Jihad”) and training and funding the Mujahadeen terorists (including Osama bin Laden), their networks, and training camps in Afghanistan. Thus, the Taliban, the Mujahadeen, and Osama bin Laden were established as CIA assets and remain so to this day. Not coincidentally, under CIA supervision during the 80’s, Afghanistan became the number one heroin producer and exporter in the world. In 2000, the Taliban government banned the production of poppies (heroin). However, after the recent invasion of Iraq and installation of an American puppet government, Afghanistan is again the number heroin producer in the world.

6) Under Bush’s supervision of the first “War on Terrorism,” hundreds of thousands of Innocent civilians were killed, tortured and disappeared in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Nicaragua. Another million or so each, again mostly civilians, were killed in the U.S.-supported and funded wars in Afghanistan and Iraq/Iran.

7) Presiding over invasions into both Panama and Iraq in which some 8000 Panamanians and over 200,000 Iraqis were killed. The U.S had illegally sold tens of billions of dollars worth of weapons, including chemical and biological weapons, to Saddam Hussein during the 80’s to help him build the strongest regional power in the Middle East. Evidence indicates that Saddam was more or less set up for the Gulf War when U.S. Ambassador Glaspie told him the U.S. had no interest in his border dispute with Kuwait. I.e., it was a trap.

However, there were also perks for this hardworking politician/businessman. According to retired Brigadier General Bowen (in The Immaculate Deception: The Bush Crime Family Exposed), Bush and Saddam Hussein split about $250 billion in Persian Gulf oil kickbacks during the 1980’s, which were laundered through the scandal-ridden Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI).

In 1988, Project Censored awarded the honor of “Top Censored Story” to the story of George Bush, revealing “how the major mass media ignored, overlooked or under-covered at least ten critical stories reported in America’s alternative press that raised serious questions about the Republican candidate, George Bush, dating from his reported role as a CIA “asset” in 1963 to his Presidential campaign’s connection with a network of anti-Semites with Nazi and fascist affiliations in 1988.”

Today, Bush Sr. is a highly-paid consultant for the Carlyle Group, America’s 11th largest military contractor. In this capacity, he went to Saudi Arabia to meet with the Bin Laden family and the Saudi Royal family in 1998 and 2000. The Carlyle Group stands to make billions of dollars from Jr. Bush’s “War on Terror.” Thus, Bush Sr. is still profiteering handsomely from his insider connections.








Now here's the stinker


Bill Clinton: George H.W. Bush will help President Hillary
December 2007



'Former President Bill Clinton said Monday that the first thing his wife Hillary will do when she reaches the White House is dispatch him and his predecessor, President George H.W. Bush, on an around-the-world mission to repair the damage done to America's reputation by the current president — Bush's son, George W. Bush.'


"Well, the first thing she intends to do, because you can do this without passing a bill, the first thing she intends to do is to send me and former President Bush and a number of other people around the world to tell them that America is open for business and cooperation again," Clinton said in response to a question from a supporter about what his wife's "number one priority" would be as president

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/18/bill-clinton-george-hw-bush-will-help-president-hillary/


Her "number one priority", eh? Sure, nothing more important than bilking the US taxpayers for a victory lap of the world by the Bush-Clinton 'family' regime. Notice NOT JIMMY CARTER WHO HAS WORLD WIDE ACCLAIM AS A REAL PEACE MAKER ... but a guy that started two wars one in Panama and one in Iraq.

And this announcement was supposed to help Hillary Clinton get elected in 2008?

Are these people insane?

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
22. This Gets No MSM Scrutiny
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:00 PM
Feb 2015

That is just amazing. Obama's deep background and ancestry is fair game but when was the last time anyone brought up Prescott Bush and the Nazis? Or Poppy Bush (in his spook days) being in the Dallas area on 11/22/63?

Fair and Balanced, yeah right.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
23. "Samuel, as did all the other Industrialists of the time, grew very wealthy and influential."
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:04 PM
Feb 2015

Actually, quite a few, if not most, "industrialists" wound up broke and died in penury.

Bush's business succeeded. Most did not.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
24. This is dumb...it provides no evidence that Bush sold arms to Germany
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:06 PM
Feb 2015

when Germany was at war with the United States. It is full of nonsense and insinuation. And weasel words.

Dumb post.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
43. Prescott Bush never sold arms
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:29 AM
Feb 2015

but he brokered a lot of deals to enrich the people who financed Hitler's rise to power including Fritz Thyssen. Cold hard fact.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
27. I usually tie the BFEE back to everything that's ever gone wrong in the US since 1935
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:52 PM
Feb 2015

Good to know I've been too generous. I will update my notes.

polynomial

(750 posts)
28. My experience of the Bush fascist corporate empire
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:54 PM
Feb 2015

This article convinces me that the Bush family and those complicit to them are a primary fascist based deterioration that has been embedded in America for generations.

What they own is of concern but what is important are the lies, deception, in business and banking the wars produced as profiteering to build the family fortunes of their own and help others swindle Americans out of tax money.

You all have to understand decades ago I had a great deal of respect for this political family. But now, they could go to hell with the friends that support them.

I blame the mainstream media for not addressing these basic antithetical constitutional values that surface that are severe war crimes besides banking and business swindling.

It’s way too obvious the major media is bought off all the while many are complicit to a fascist core of corruption.

My work experience with the Union Pacific railroad had a very deep sense something was different about the rail road system than the other business systems I worked in.

In 2005 about the same time Bush was president the Union Pacific was installing Nippon steel rail in the United States. I know I helped that construction and thought it was the wrong thing to do especially in a looming recession.

What is real scary is the Union Pacific Health Care Services is tightly connected to the United Health Care Company. The Union Pacific is a massive railroad system that has injury reporting that is poor to out right fraud.

Medicare is also part of this American insurance program connected to the United Health Care Company likely in contrast to the Affordable Care Act.

That’s the problem Bush’s influence in the railroad system, with Harriman hold overs, and the current Cheney connections have contaminated the national health data base system. Records are not accurate, I know because I have an OSHA complaint with intentions to expose the fraud.

The system is loaded with fraud, or records scrubbed keeping professionals from making determinations for healthcare solutions that will solve issues to make accurate diagnostics, nation-wide, or world-wide.

One way or another I intend to expose the corruption in this health care end of the business, perhaps by writing my own book if the complicity is a cross product into the OSHA system. Recall OSHA was started by the Republicans.

My book would be my experience with the Union Pacific, about its fascist Safety Management and training system that encourages loyalty programs to avoid reporting injuries. The main core of the safety program is a rule using a "theory of half the distance" to stop engines which is out dated compared to current technology.

My first confession is now I know what a fascist system feels like.

That’s why this article feels so Nazi like it scares me. I experienced in the work environment, a very little feeling of what those might have endured in Auschwitz, its frightening.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
29. blame the mainstream media
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:02 PM
Feb 2015

interesting post about the story of the railroads which I didn't know, thanks for the input and good luck with the book.



Investigator John Loftus has said, "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averill Harriman to be prosecuted for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany."



http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/09/07/bush-family-values/

1norcal

(55 posts)
61. Thank you Polynomial
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:32 AM
Feb 2015

Thanks Polynomial, your experience rings so true to me about our contemporary environment. The little guy against the Corporate (Read Fascist) system. It does "feel creepy" because it IS.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
30. This might explain why both Spitfire and Bf109 have exact same engine mast dimensions.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:54 PM
Feb 2015

Even if both were built by Supermarine ad Meserchmitt respectively but it can't be coincidence if Germans were able to put Damiler-Benz engine on captured Spitfire with only few modifications and no welding required. DB-powered Spitfire resulted in higher power climb, better turn rates, better low speed handling, and faster acceleration. It was destroyed in Allies bombing runs.

I knew something was going on when Meserchmitt and Supermarine happens to build one of best mast frames that resulted in lighter weight and stronger welding points. It just can't be coincidence since both got exact same weight and dimensions.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
66. According to this article, a new engine support had to be designed...
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 01:34 AM
Feb 2015

and "connecting the engine’s systems with the rest of the aircraft proved rather difficult.".

http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/wolf-in-sheeps-clothing-modelling-captured-db605-powered-spitfire.html

d_r

(6,907 posts)
31. when I click on that last link
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:58 PM
Feb 2015

I get a fitness magazine and ads. does anyone know what it says I got curious about the story.

gladium et scutum

(806 posts)
32. Would be interested
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 07:36 PM
Feb 2015

in the support documents that show that the German Army of WWI were largely armed by Samuel Bush. Was unaware that Remington manufactured KAR-98 Rifles and 8mm Mauser
ammunition for the Kaiser.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
33. no surprise
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 07:54 PM
Feb 2015

all down the line to shrub, jr, the apple DID NOT fall far from the tree.........now we have to deal Jeb 'stuart' bush(shrub II)......geez

 

toothless dragon

(51 posts)
44. Paul Wellstone
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:15 AM
Feb 2015

Hey Princess... my first post as a very old DFLer... I worked with Paul before he was anything but a Professor... so do you know why Paul was murdered?

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
63. I have my opinions
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:32 PM
Feb 2015

It certainly didn't help that, after he voted against the IWR, he finally started to pull ahead of Bush's pet, Coleman, in the polls.

Convenient as well that if he had died just a day or two later his name would have stayed on the ballot (I gave up a ticket to a Bob Dylan concert to attend the Central Committee meeting where Mondale was endorsed - that's how dedicated I used to be.)

Of course, not everyone, even good DFLers believe he was murdered. But what convinced me was Wellstone telling a group of veterans in Willmar that Cheney had told him "If you vote against the war in Iraq, the Bush administration will do whatever is necessary to get you. There will be severe ramifications for you and the state of Minnesota."

BTW - glad you joined us here. Be sure to check out the Minnesota group.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
39. This supports Jessie Jackson's presidential warning...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:05 AM
Feb 2015

"Stay out the Bushes!"

Chlorine in their gene pool will only make then more dangerously mutated.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
49. Can you imagine what the Repubs and the MSM would be doing if Obama's family had a similar history?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 08:00 AM
Feb 2015

But, it doesn't matter with the Bushes. Hell, we'll vote two, maybe three of those family members to POTUS.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
64. I very highly doubt that the Imperial German Army was largely armed by Samuel Bush
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:57 PM
Feb 2015

I think this belongs in CS.

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