Now Warren Buffett says the same thing as Howard Dean

[Ichingcarpenter]

Warren Buffett: Elizabeth Warren should be 'less angry'

Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett isn't a fan of Sen. Elizabeth Warren's (D-Massachusetts) populist style.

In a Monday interview on CNBC's "Squawk Box," Buffett argued that Warren should be "less angry and demonizing."

"I think that she would do better if she was less angry and demonizing. I believe in 'hate the sin but love the sinner,'" he said. "And I'm not sure that I've fully convinced Elizabeth Warren that that's the way to go."

Warren has enthralled liberals with her outspoken criticism of Wall Street, and progressive activists strongly urged her to run for president in 2016 against Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton. Warren ultimately declared she would not run.

But Buffett, who supports Clinton's campaign, said Warren and other legislators should be more willing to embrace compromise.



Read more: http://uk.businessinsider.com/warren-buffett-elizabeth-warren-should-be-less-angry-2015-3?r=US#ixzz3TFMHU8Dm


Gee that's a coincidence.

[G_j]

1. really

guess the memo is out

[Autumn]

2. Would we expect the wealthy to say anything else? The status quo benefits them.

Therefore it must continue.

[brooklynite]

17. except that's not what he said...

...he didn't disagree with the issue; only the way it's being presented.

Tough speeches may make YOU feel good; it doesn't necessarily get the policy implemented.

[Autumn]

22. Speaking of the wealthy.

I gather the thought of torches and pitchforks is a bit uncomfortable. Poor Warren. Someone posted that maybe the meeting with Hillary just didn't go as planned. Three of her most powerful supporters seem to be worried. They should be.

[brooklynite]

42. Funny - Warren didn't seem angry when she came to Wall St for our money in 2012...

...in fairness, the event wasn't ON Wall Street, although plenty of 1%ers were there. It was more what you'd call a salon...

[Autumn]

44. Make that four.

[zeemike]

39. What matters is how it makes the voters feel

And the voters want someone who is angry enough to go against the political corrupt system.
Give them a choice between Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee they just stay home.

But then they don't really need the voters do they?...no matter the outcome of a low voter turnout election the status quo win ether way.

[ND-Dem]

20. +100. and we mustn't be angry.

[bullwinkle428]

3. The "New Democrat Coaltion" is learning to distribute the talking points just

as efficiently as the right-wingers do.

[JaneyVee]

4. The rich have a vested interest in....

Keeping the torches and pitchforks at bay.

[vi5]

5. Look at Wal Mart raising their minimum wage....

We were all so nice to them, and asked politely and we made sure we didn't hurt their feelings or demonize them, and they said thank you for our niceness by raising their minimum employee wage.

Oh wait, that's right that's not what happened. We were pissed we mocked them we demonized them and we guilted them until they did something in the direction of what was needed.

Thanks, Warren but no thanks. You've been mostly on our side and we appreciate it. But we should all have learned by now that being nice is not what is going to get things done.

[Motown_Johnny]

6. If it were a man, he would be seen as strong and passionate

on the issue.


But a woman... how dear she be "angry and demonizing".


Hate the sin but love the sinner my ass!

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. This ...

If it were a man, he would be seen as strong and passionate

Is the truth! Happens all the time.

[randys1]

79. I just wanna live long enough to see climate change denying, land stealing, men/women/children

killing (how do you think we got the land), immigrant denying, asshole Americans, almost all of whom just happen to be white, get justice.

But will I?

What does this have to do with the OP, you ask?

I dont know

[krawhitham]

16. +1

[randys1]

80. Love your sig pic, big fan of her too, but I think she is not gonna run, absolutely.

So maybe we could direct some energy this way

http://www.bernie.org/

[myrna minx]

35. Thank you. That's it exactly.

[awoke_in_2003]

41. agreed. nt

[Matariki]

54. Was thinking the same thing...

[AtomicKitten]

64. A DU'er predicted this misogynist attack from the Clinton camp.

Hat tip and to foo_bar:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6294916

OK, I dunno about "official" (or "strategy&quot , but I predict we'll see out-and-out misogynistic attacks on Warren by Team Clinton soon (something like "We need Warren to stay in the Senate and attend to her little pocketbook issues, because Hillary's the only woman who's fully internalized* the misogyny needed to win campaigns!&quot , not unlike the "hard-working...white Americans" stuff when that was expedient. My theory is they're still jealous of the Obama campaign (G.Ferraro: “Any time you say anything to anybody about the Obama campaign, it immediately becomes a racist attack”), and they still think he won on account of "black privilege" ("He happens to be very lucky to be who he is" -GF), not because he did and said the right things or offered a less bleak view of humanity than the Clintonistas.


* They try to escape by identifying with the oppressor, living through him, gaining status and identity from his ego, his power, his accomplishments. And by not identifying with other “empty vessels” like themselves.

https://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/internalized-sexism/

[djean111]

73. Exactly. Well done!

[CrispyQ]

76. That was my first thought, too.

Angry & demonizing.

[langstonhues]

92. You are correct. I don't think it's going to fly like hoped because

of comments like yours that see what is going on.

[dissentient]

7. Leave the billionaires and millionaires alone!

They have enough troubles already!

[Stellar]

8. That just makes me MORE determined to support

Senator Warren...no matter what those two fools say. I don't go along to get along, that's for damned sure!

It reminds me of the fight Rahm has going in Chicago. Money doesn't speak for everybody.

[Agschmid]

14. Hard to support someone who isn't running for anything...

[Stellar]

43. So, is Hillary running?

I haven't heard anything about Hillary has thrown her hat into the ring. Have you got a link?

[Agschmid]

45. Big assumption on your part.

People are certainly blind to other options huh?

[Stellar]

46. pfftt!

Is Hillary running?

[Agschmid]

47. No.

What are you getting at here?

[Stellar]

48. Don't concern yourself with Senator Warren until we know for sure

if both of these ladies are running.

[Agschmid]

49. Haha!

Okay I'll just mind my own business... Oh by the way your welcome. I voted for her as my senator and I'm proud of her.

I also have enough respect for her to believe her when she says she isn't running.

Thanks for the laugh.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

56. Would you lose respect for her if she changed her mind?

After all, it took months of people working on her to convince her to run for that Senate seat, so I can see where she'd have to be dragged into running for the Presidency as well.

[Agschmid]

61. No.

She'd probably even get a vote from me, cleary I'm willing to do that. But for now I take her at her word.

[Stellar]

78. Things that make you go hmmm.....I'll be glad when we both know for sure.

[randys1]

82. Women, when we know for sure both of these WOMEN are running...eom

[Stellar]

85. Sorry, what does 'eom' mean?

[randys1]

87. i think it means "end of message" saving you the trouble of clicking on the link to see if i said

anything else, i know it saves me time if I am looking at MY POSTS page

[Stellar]

91. Thanks Randy...

always wanted to know that.

SO...you got something against women, LOL!

[randys1]

93. I capitalize Women, not men for the same reason I capitalize Black, not white and Gay

as a privileged white American male, I have learned so much in the past few years.

My mother was the most intelligent person I knew, and was also very much into Eastern philosophy and attacking the Catholic church which she sent me to for 12 years for school

But yes, I love Women, I respect them, and I think we would all be far better off if they were in charge, of everything

[Stellar]

95. Hear, hear!

My mother never had a formal education but I thought she was the smartest woman I knew. Take care!

[closeupready]

9. He helped bail out Goldman Sachs in 2009 when they needed it.

What else would he say about Elizabeth Warren? What else CAN he say?

[1StrongBlackMan]

10. I agree; but ...

the activist base (of both parties) likes angry and uncompromising; that's what makes them the activist base.

[rhett o rick]

15. Sadly you use "activist base" in the pejorative. The Third Way's idea of

compromise is to ask the corporations not to take trillions but settle for billions.

The wealth gap is growing and some want us to be calm and accept it without complaining. "Here drink this cool-aid".

Bless the angry activist base. They are marching in Fergusion and Wisconsin. Go ahead and berate them.

[Agschmid]

19. Hard to call them an activist base when they don't even vote.

12% Turnout in Missosuri...

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/twelve-percent-turnout-insult-your-children

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. And this points to the difference ...

between the "activist base" and the "base."

I wish I could find WillPitt's OP (from many years ago) on who the party base really is ... It was great and spot on, as well as the comments on the OP. I'll look for it.

[Agschmid]

31. Please do...

And to clarify my previous post I'd LOVE to see turnout increase and I think voter suppression needs to be reduced.

[1StrongBlackMan]

36. No ...

I understood what you wrote.

Here it is: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x478248

While he was speaking about the "anti-war left", it applies just the same to the "income inequality left".

The OP popped up in another thread (that I can't find right now) and I seem to recall, in that thread, a DUer made a quite insightful distinction between the "base" and the "activist base", that I have adopted.

I'll keep looking.

[Agschmid]

37. Thanks, okay glad I was clear sometimes I just don't convey my thoughts correctly!

[wyldwolf]

51. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6276249

[bigtree]

66. that's not evidence the 'activist base' comprised the majority of those nonvoters

...and your characterization of the 'activist base' makes it seem like a majority of Democrats. rank-and-file democrats stayed home in record numbers. That's says as much about timid and uninspiring politics of the candidates as any other rational offered.

[Agschmid]

68. When only 12% of the population votes it's hardly a representative election for any group...

Except for?

[bigtree]

70. it's ALL categories of Democrats who neglected to vote in sufficient numbers in that election

...and to just pin the blame on 'activists' is incorrect.

[Agschmid]

71. Sure...

But 12% turnout means no one (base, activist base, whatever you want to call it) showed up.

[rhett o rick]

100. The Movement welcomes your smug derision. So who do you choose to side with? nm

[Agschmid]

102. I choose to make a stand and I do that by being actively involved, and by voting.

[1StrongBlackMan]

26. If that is how you interpret my use of the term ...

that is on you ... always looking to make yourself a/the victim.

The fact is, we are the activist base of the Democratic Party (well, those of us that are Democrats) and that is not something to shy away from.

Bless the angry activist base. They are marching in Fergusion and Wisconsin.

Yes, Bless us.

[randys1]

83. I cant help but chuckle, while we argue among ourselves, Rove and co are high fiving

Koch and co, whoever is profiting from this.

Also, I hear that at CPAC most of the attendees were horrified by the homophobic comments of that dipshit who does duck calls, and also were supporters in a big way of RAND PAUL

So the young republican, other than having brain damage, is far more liberal socially than the idiot teaparty...which either means they will split the party or come at us with a strong libertarian like Rand

He worries me, almost as much as the hand picked candidate Walker by the Koch's

[L0oniX]

11. Fucking puppet master.

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. What it tells me is

the meeting Hillary had with Elizabeth didn't go as plan

the 3 coordinated attacks on the same day are a result of that meeting

Elizabeth told Hillary something that caused this response.

[randys1]

86. Could be...If Liz wanted to run, how could she or Bernie compete financially?

I think Bernie needs far less money than either of the Women only because he is an avowed democratic socialist which gives him an entirely different campaign and free media...i mean he would get some media coverage based on his political position that the other two wont get as they are mainstream dem party

Liz and Hillary are enough alike that if both run who would Liz get her money from?

[JEB]

18. I'm in favor of all the anger

that people of good conscience can muster. They want the proles to play nice now. Fuck that shit.

[rocktivity]

21. Compromising is fine

As long you understand the DIFFERENCE between compromising and compromising Democratic principles.


rocktivity

[GoneFishin]

23. Screw both of those guys and their status quo message.

I am sick of lukewarm mealy-mouths on the left.

[Scuba]

24. Dear Warren, fuck off.

[progressoid]

25. Now now, Elizabeth. We mustn't be so cross with the nice bankers.

[arcane1]

27. "Buffett, who supports Clinton's campaign." That says it all right there.

How can Hillary bullshit voters with focus-group-tested empty slogans if Elizabeth is out there telling the truth?

[hifiguy]

94. You have touched squarely on the central truth.

[L0oniX]

101. ^^^this^^^

[kelliekat44]

28. This always happens when a woman speaks the truth and won't bow to the male power structure.

She is fierce. She is steadfast. She is tough.
Remember how all the men praised Putin as being their kind of leader...decisive, tough, blah,blah,blah.?

This shit makes me sick!!!

[randys1]

88. Yes, but the same will go for Hillary, she will deal with a ton of bullshit for being a Woman

[DCBob]

29. Not sure I totally agree with Mr Buffet on this. If you aren't angry you aren't paying attention..

but I do understand his point.. it's probably not the most effective strategy to harshly criticise someone you are trying to get agreement with in changing something. But there certainly are issues that we should be very angry about.

[nationalize the fed]

32. Current price of a single share of Buffett's Birkshire Hathaway- $219,615

Two hundred thousand and change- for one share. Down $1,565 from Friday close

Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (Berkshire) is a holding company owning subsidiaries engaged in a number of diverse business activities. The Company is engaged in the insurance businesses conducted on a primary basis and a reinsurance basis, a freight rail transportation business and a group of utility, and energy generation and distribution businesses


Warren Buffett invests in a Clinton presidential bid
December 4, 2014

Billionaire contributes to the super PAC laying the groundwork for a Clinton candicacy

WASHINGTON — The USA's second-richest man just bet on Hillary Rodham Clinton for president.

Berkshire Hathaway's Warren Buffett has donated $25,000 to Ready for Hillary, a super PAC laying the groundwork for the Democrat's potential White House bid, officials with the super PAC confirm.



The group, which raised more than $10 million through Oct. 15, will file its paperwork detailing recent contributions and expenditures by midnight Thursday...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/12/04/warren-buffett-contributes-to-hillary-clinton-super-pac/19910651/

[mulsh]

33. Ms. Warren is doing something right. Certain types of men across the political spectrum

hate uppity women. Im my experience they tend to be the more affluent and powerful guys. same cloth no matter what.

[HappyMe]

34. Oh ffs.

EW and Sanders are the only people willing to call out the the banksters. She is completely justified in her anger. If telling the truth is "demonizing" - so be it.

Compromise = stfu and leave them alone. Fuck that.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

38. Sen. Warren doesn't strike me as angry. Now disowning your granddaughter over

some bullshit seems like an angry thing to do.

[Liberalynn]

40. She's obviously making someone nervous

If she weren't making headway why would they be making such a concerted effort to shut her up.

Triple Down Senator Warren! It's time for the other side to shut up and do some listening for a change. We've tried it their way and it hasn't worked and will never work.

[jomin41]

50. If someone were picking HIS pocket

for forty effing years, despite mealy- mouthed protestations and constant "compromises" he'd be plenty pissed. Any attacks on EW are only going to push me further left, if that's possible.

[zentrum]

52. Love it when

….old billionaire men tell passionate women how to behave. No one except Bernie speaks as protectively of working people and against the oligarchy.
Is Bernie "too angry" too?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

53. Get used to it, Fellows. We have only just begun. eom.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

55. 'Love the sinner' is great, for a theocratic nation.

We're not there yet, though, and I hope we don't fully get there.

We've seen for years what 'willingness to compromise' has gotten - good ideas made worse, and most simply killed off entirely.

Let's face it, does Buffett look for 'compromise' on his return on investments? Or does he look for the best return he can get?

If you present him with a good idea that gives him a 20% return and a crappy one that breaks even, does he 'compromise' and choose a middle ground that gets him 10%, or does he simply go with the 20%? (And TBH, if he went for the 'compromise', I'm pretty sure his stockholders would sue him for fiduciary negligence.)

Capitalists love to talk about running the country like a business day in and day out, but then when you get to specifics, they always want to do things that would run a business right into the ground.

[Alkene]

57. "...embrace compromise."

Embrace this:

[Arkana]

58. Buffett's still a rich guy, for all the liberalism he espouses.

Rich guys don't like it when someone says they're part of the problem.

And Elizabeth Warren is doing something right when she's pissing them off.

[treestar]

59. Maybe I don't pay enough attention, but I don't see how he's coming up with

angry and demonizing. I haven't seen that from her at all.

[TBF]

60. Buffett is a great friend to dems

As long as they know their place.

[foo_bar]

62. now we're throwing Warren Buffett under the bus?!

You never really loved him! Oops sorry, wrong thread.

[TBF]

75. If Warren Buffett is on the bus -

it's the wrong damned bus for labor.

[lark]

63. Hmm, translation below

Big business likes Hillary better because she's a compromiser while Warren is "stuck" on principals and ethics.

[zentrum]

65. Stay in your places, serfs!

It's only when a real liberal progressive says what's really going on economically on a systemic level for working people that we hear this kind of critique. They only say we're "too angry" when someone exposes the class warfare the billionaire class is winning. Eff him.

Will call Warren's office today and say she speaks for me and she is having an effect since she's upset one of the biggest billionaires in the world. We should all call her.

Her DC number is 202-224-4543

Boston: 617-565-3170

Springfield: 413-788-2690

[PoliticAverse]

67. Buffett supports Hillary Clinton for President...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/15/warren-buffett-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president-2016_n_2137285.html

[bigtree]

69. I don't view Sen. Warren's approach as 'angry'

...and I think that's just nonsense to portray it as mere emotion. I would say, though, that Americans like myself ARE angry at Congress' continued catering to the wealthy interests over working-class citizens.

What Sen. Warren has been diligent and forceful in outlining are valid and precient abuses of our financial system by wealthy and corporate interests at the expense of the middle-class and others stuck in the bottom rungs of the economic ladder. Statements like this appear to be a diversion from efforts to address those inequities and abuses. We should push back forcefully and not be dissuaded from aggressively challenging those special interests at every opportunity and instance; refused to be cowed by patronizing talk about 'angry' approaches and other dissmissive nonsense.

[Hotler]

72. Angry people are what is needed.

Angry enough to take to the streets by the tens of thousands if not more. Spring is coming and it would a good time for a national strike for 5-6 months, shut this country down. Doing so would bring more to hurt to the rich than it will us. Even though the 1% are very, very rich they still have bills to pay and their bills are a lot larger than ours and without us working to make them money the bill collectors will be knocking on their doors loudly. A small sacrifice from us will bring a ton of hurt to them. Think about it. Most of us are already broke and with no money or very little.

[Dems to Win]

74. Run Liz Run! Sent my postcard to Senator Warren today.

When a greedy sociopathic billionaire is nervous and chastising Senator Warren, it's clear she is on the correct path.

[Dont call me Shirley]

77. Elizabeth Warren to Warren Buffett: Lady's turn to speak, with passion and zest

Sorry Buffett that you hear Elizabeth's words as an angry tone, maybe if you would actually listen you would hear what she is really saying and not hearing your own misperceived threat.

[langstonhues]

98. a black president can't get angry, now a woman can't get angry

It appears only white guys can get angry and have it called passion or resoluteness or some such nonsense.

Millions of people have real reasons to be bellowing mad and angry, Mr. Moneybags. Just to remind you who probably wipes his ass with 1000 dollar bills, some people can't feed their kids while they watch the super rich (many who go that way by stealing from everyone else) enjoy their shameful gluttony.

Warren is being angry (and you call it violence for some ridiculous reason) for these people, finally someone who gets it and you want her to shut up?

Funny one, old man.

[Dont call me Shirley]

103. +1,000

[olddots]

81. Mr. Buffet you have no clue

N.T.

[hifiguy]

84. Senator Warren has clearly touched a sensitive nerve amongst the plutocrats

and those owned by the plutocrats. Sadly the latter group now seems to include Howard Dean. I could not be more disappointed in him.

[randys1]

90. Sure would like to know what was said in that meeting with Hillary

and see a list of who else was there

[langstonhues]

89. The orchestra of orchestrating attacks on Warren is tuning up.

I consider that very good news. Something anew is bubbling under the surface. This is no coincidence.

[PoliticAverse]

96. Centrist Dems ready strike against Warren wing

Centrist Democrats are gathering their forces to fight back against the “Elizabeth Warren wing” of their party, fearing a sharp turn to the left could prove disastrous in the 2016 elections.

For months, moderate Democrats have kept silent, as Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s (D-Mass.) barbed attacks against Wall Street, income inequality and the “rigged economy” thrilled the base and stirred desire for a more populist approach.

But with the race for the White House set to begin, centrists are moving to seize back the agenda.

Read the rest at: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/234224-centrist-dems-ready-strike-against-warren-wing

[Zorra]

97. Actually, Buffet should be less like an elitist 1% sexist pig.

Calling a strong woman an "angry woman" is classic sexism.

[LittleBlue]

99. Buffett and Dean have convinced me

She should run. I judge a person by the enemies they make. And she's bothering the right people.

[Greybnk48]

104. Buffett and the rest of the fat cats can sit and chuckle

smugly and tell Senator Warren to "take a chill pill" (or worse, a Midol) for one reason, and one reason only. What's going on in this country is NOT a matter of life or death for him or his family, but for many it is and that's who Senator Warren is thinking of when she speaks passionately (for the misogynists it's hysterically).

I know Warren Buffett is a staunch Democrat and a good guy in general, but he is being insensitive to say the least in this regard. A smug asshole if I may, even if it's inadvertent.