Under the bus with Howard Dean....

[FSogol]

Anyone willing to consider the viewpoint that requesting a toning down of angry rhetoric might be damn good advice coming from a person whose Presidential ambitions were destroyed when the press portrayed him as having too angry of rhetoric to be mainstream?

You see an attack? I see really good advice.*


* Note: I did not say Warren should change anything.

[Scuba]

1. Yeah, but I've yet to see a single clip of Warren's "angry rhetoric." I've seen her calm ...

... collected and brutally honest, but never angry or rude.

[FSogol]

5. Maybe, but that's how the msm will protray her. You know that is coming. n/t

[Scuba]

7. Sure, they'll call her a commie pinko and they'll call Hillary a leftist radical. Those are givens.

Dean is still wrong, and needs a spot under the bus for his smear job.

[HereSince1628]

2. ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I'm sure Sen Warren will watch out for saying things that can't be coherently interpreted.

[HappyMe]

3. Why the hell would Dean be giving EW advice?

I don't think that disagreeing with his "advice" is throwing him under the bus.

[djean111]

8. That seems to be one of the go-to forms of marginalisation - hyperbolic stuff like

under the bus, hair on fire, heads exploding....violent bunch!

[HappyMe]

10. That's true.

It's annoying and I don't take those people seriously any more.

[trumad]

4. A bit of Mansplaining from Mr. Dean.

[djean111]

6. I see Dean linking Warren with "soak the rich". Which is not what she said.

Must be nice, though, to be able to orchestrate Dean and Buffet as attack dogs.

[HappyMe]

12. It was pretty obvious

that that is what happened there.

[Spider Jerusalem]

9. Dean was not portrayed as being "angry", he was portrayed as being CRAZY.

There is a difference between those two things.

[Cha]

11. Dean's not under the bus with me.. even if I don't like something that's said by a pol.. I look at

their whole picture.. and he's looking pretty good.

[elias49]

16. Indeed he is.

What a shame he was railroaded by the press. (Read: corporate self-interests).
I was a Deaniac back then. Still like the guy a lot.

[randome]

13. Advice in such a public manner is...inartful, to say the least.

Dean's not under the bus with me but he spoke when he should have kept his mouth shut.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[djean111]

14. "You see an attack? I see really good advice." - just giving advice? He could have called her

up, sent an email, stopped by her office. This was a very public smack-down.

[Kalidurga]

15. Dean is wrong

I put him in a time out he can come out when he thinks good and hard about what he said. Democrats have been playing nice for far too long. When Dean was eviscerated for the scream he should have said "yeah I did it and I will do it again, what's wrong with ya'll being afraid of a little enthusiasm." Any way not the point, telling people to back off advocating for what is right and telling them to be less aggressive is playing into the hands of conservatives.

[Autumn]

18. His "advice" is really shitty advice. Liz is smart enough to avoid stepping in that staming pile

Never has Liz wanted or said we need to soak the rich, that has never been a part of her program Liz has had a clear message, a message that resonates with the people. The middle class and the poor alike. The banks should be responsible for their mistakes and regulated. The wealthy should pay their fair share of taxes. The middle class needs a break.

“Our program cannot be soak the rich — that's a mistake and alienates middle class people. But on substance, the Warren wing is correct,” said Dean.

“The rhetoric about wealth creation needs to be scaled back because Americans like wealth creation,” he added. “The level playing field argument wins it for us. The reason you do not want to talk about ‘tax the rich’ is because when middle class people hear it, they hear ‘they're going to raise our taxes.’ Democrats can't do that.”

His poor attempt at mansplaining really failed. As for his advice, I don't think he should even attempt to give her advice.

[greatlaurel]

19. Divide and conquer is the only way the GOP can win in 2016. They are trying to create a problem.

There is no substantial disagreement in the Democratic Party. The only way the GOP can win is for the Democrats to appear to be squabbling among themselves which gives the GOP cover to steal elections in states like Ohio which is run by the most criminally minded right wingers in the history of Ohio.

Cr

[FSogol]

21. +1 n/t

[greatlaurel]

22. The saddest thing is how many people on DU are falling for the GOP trap.

So many responses to your post are shocking. Either they are GOP operatives trying to push the narrative or folks are just not very good at critical thinking.

[FSogol]

23. Yeah, I don't get it either. One day Dean is the hero and DWS should be fired for not following

Dean's lead and the next day they are throwing him under the bus. The goal does seem to be splitting the party.

[TheKentuckian]

26. What did Warren say that was wrong and what should have been said instead?

[geek tragedy]

20. Dean has been continuously overrated for quite some time.

People give him credit for the results in 2006 and 2008. Hello, that was backlash against Bush, not how the DNC allocated money to the state parties. Candidate selection was the DCCC and the DSCC. National GOTV in 2008 was run by the Obama campaign.

He was an overrated candidate who went belly up very quickly against Kerry once votes started getting counted.

His work as a de facto lobbyist for Big Pharm, including op-eds calling for repeal of parts of the ACA, similarly showed that the great progressive hope was actually more of a Clinton-style centrist on domestic policy all along.

And don't forget his genius about wanting the party to tailor its message to dudes who fly the confederate flag.

[TheKentuckian]

24. Tone it down? Tone it down to what? Nonexistent?

It needs to be turned up quite a few notches and spread like wildfire.

Plus, let's get specific here what was too angry exactly and what should have been stated instead?

The problem or one of them anyway is that Dean is pretty much lying and do I get so to prop up up the establishment.

Being fans of these politicians is a fool's errand, they are tools to be used when effective and discarded when no longer useful.
Politicians need to be thrown under the bus not their constituencies, it is the only way to keep them in line and working for the latter. Either the time looking at the undercarriage will restore usefulness or they stay pitched.

I have no idea why these pols are looked at like an under 6 tee ball league or something.

Of course by the same token I'm not sure when strenuously disagreeing with someone automatically means they are "under the bus" but if it is then how then Dean and especially Buffet (soak the rich? Where?) not throw Warren under the bus?

It also seems weird as fuck that the same crowd worried about "angry" tone to the moneychanger and vulture classes are seemingly most likely to have "serious questions and concerns" about her previously being a Republican...hmm...such a funky set of "concerns" to hold at once especially when the same crowd is beyond wowed at someone that still embraces largely Republican economics and foreign policy to this very second. Curious and curiouser.

[still_one]

28. Thank-you. Just like the liberal media MYTH, this is a MSM MYTH also, and unfortunately, many

Democrats fall for it

[NCTraveler]

25. Hillary DLC!!!!!! Dean DLC!!!!!

Warren supported republicans half her adult life!!!!
Sanders is a socialist!!!!

The draft Kucinich movement starts here!!!!

[still_one]

27. So his "angry rhetoric" that the Democrats are being accused of, I find it ironic that the much more

venemous rhetoric used by the republicans is not treated with the same scorn? Wonder why that is?