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Clay Johnson, the former director of the Sunlight Labs of the Sunlight Foundation, a non-profit advocating transparency in government, wrote this:
(ON EDIT: I don't know why the link doesn't work -- but the address will work if you copy and paste.)
https://medium.com/@cjoh/hillary-s-email-858ccfc48277
Are you serious? Lets be clear, that personal email was probably far more secure than her state.gov email account. The State Departments email system has been compromised for months. Its highly likely that its been compromised since forever: remember, during her tenure, Wikileaks released the State Departments classified communications.
A better question is: why would she use the State Departments email system to conduct official business? In fact, if its demonstrably insecure, does she not have a responsibility not to use it? Its probably the case that if Hillary Clinton was focusing solely on security, using her personal email with 2 Factor Authentication was probably way *more* secure than using the honeypot mess of IT that is the State Departments email servers.
Of the things that are speculative in this document, there is only one thing that I am absolutely certain of. After years of being on trial, of being investigated, and having every bit of her personal and public life pulled appart by People Magazine and vast conspiracies of all wings: Hillary Clinton knows that, too. She knows that the simplest way to keep something out of the public record isnt to run an email server in her basement, its to use the telephone.
SNIP
One final thought: Id imagine Secretary Clinton at some point emailed the White House. I made the mistake of emailing the White House from my personal account once (!) during my term, and managed to get back a nastygram from Counsel about it. How or why didnt the White House tell Hillary to use her official .gov email account?
It could be that they knew the entire classified and unclassified email system was compromised and decided that the smartest thing to do was for her to use her personal email instead.
2naSalit
(86,308 posts)stuff about this I saw information about her needing to choose ONE account while in service which was why she combined both her State.gov and her personal email acct.s so she could have access to both while traveling the globe almost constantly.
You know, as a low level GS worker, I am prompted to keep all email at a minimum on my acct. by deleting all but absolutely pertinent emails necessary to do my job. I do send personal messages from both my .gov email and my personal acct. from the same computer. I don't have access to my .gov acct. off campus.
i think this is just so much crappola and a deflection from real issues that need our attention before they get set in stone and we can do little about it without a series of protracted actions.
So stupid to nit-pick details that are nothing more than hate-filled speculation.
badgolfer
(244 posts)What email system did Condi Rice use when she was SOS?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)during the C-Span call-ins to a current Sunlight Foundation director, it was suggested that she basically wasn't an e-mailer. I would guess that meant she spent a lot more time on the phone, or simply told staffers to email anyone she wanted with one of those 'dictated but not read' sort of deals.
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pnwmom
(108,955 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)But I think that you have the idea. This whole affair is bunkum.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... haters down another rat hole
That's what I thought Benghazi was, a rat hole for the GOP..
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)was on C-Span this morning taking call-ins about the issues, and seemed to pretty much totally disagree with your former director.
http://sunlightfoundation.com/team/jwonderlich/
He seemed to feel it was indeed significant, and that her personal email was NOT 'probably far more secure'.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Why didn't the Obama administration ever tell Hillary she had to use the government account? It's not like her use of her private server was a secret.
Clearly the Administration knew and didn't care.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)she was using personal email.
I found that ludicrous, unless everyone in the WH uses browser software that defaults to not showing the address from which emails are sent or replied to.
I would agree with your last statement - they knew and didn't care. That doesn't make it any better, though, and Republicans will simply hop up and down and say it shows a conspiracy between HRC's people and the WH.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)If C-Span archives the video of those morning shows, you can pull up his show from this morning to see who he said was the person who said that. It was the second call-in segment of the morning, I think. I thought that was 'Washington Journal', but maybe not, maybe that's only the first call in segment's name.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)So if it knows 'Scott' is scott@gmail.com' what is displayed is 'Scott' both in the 'From' field and in the 'To' field if you hit reply, rather than 'scott@gmail.com'.
But if you hover your mouse over that 'Scott' you see the full address.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)... and did not.
It was only two months ago, in response to a new State Department effort to comply with federal record-keeping practices, that Mrs. Clintons advisers reviewed tens of thousands of pages of her personal emails and decided which ones to turn over to the State Department. All told, 55,000 pages of emails were given to the department.
link: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)The writer said she didn't "at the time" put all her emails on department servers (though all to other state dept. addresses were automatically archived).
The writer didn't say it was "required by the Federal Records Act at the time."
Because it wasn't. Even now, there's a 20 day lag allowed. Then there was no time limit.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)... what she has done against the law. However, it was applicable as a regulation when she did it. IOW it was not illegal but it was wrong. It was a bullshit way to get around FOIA requests.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)I haven't seen any that included any deadline -- and she did preserve the emails.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts).... because they can't debate in a civil manner, just like last time. I will NEVER personally attack anyone here during this season. Bank on it.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Have a nice evening.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I think the more important story is that State Department needs a serious IT overhaul, and none of our last half dozen Secretaries of State have done anything to keep their servers up to date and operational.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)It seems to me that we shouldn't be constantly relying on outside contractors, but should have dedicated operations managers who see to it that every nook and cranny of the Federal government is using fast, efficient, reliable tech. We shouldn't be hearing that the VA is still losing things on paper, that Federal officials feel the need to have their own personal servers. I really do think we need a 'computer czar' with a department that takes care of tech for all the departments, rather than have them left to hit or miss ad hoc work.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)So we'll see how that goes. It could be a genuine problem or simply a ham-handed effort to provide cover for someone. Both are possible and time will tell.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)Simply set up a reflector on her server that sent a copy of all emails sent to or received to her official SOS mailbox to a mailbox at State. Since she was running her own server, she could easily have made herself two addresses, and used one only for official SOS business, that she knew was also being archived at State.
That way, State would have been able to respond to FOIA requests promptly, including the one from the AP that's been at State since 2010.
She could have used her own convenient reliable email server and still made her records available for capture in real time. Child's play. If she had just thought it important enough to do it.