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Last week famed primatologist Jane Goodall was found to have plagiarized parts of her new book, but a deeper look reveals a work plagued by rampant copying, obvious errors, and ominous junk science.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/26/jane-goodall-s-troubling-error-filled-new-book-seeds-of-hope.html
"No one wants to criticize Jane GoodallDame Goodallthe soft-spoken, white-haired doyenne of primatology. She cares deeply about animals and the health of the planet. How could one object to that? Her list of awards and honorary degrees are too numerous to mention. She was tasked by Kofi Annan to be a United Nations Messenger of Peace, an appropriately meaningless, but distinguished, gong. In 2010, a Guardian writer noted that Goodalls book Hope for Animals and Their World had a written-by-committee feel of which must of course be forgiven because of its subject matter. He felt doubly guilty for criticising the book when she generously inscribed his copy.
You see, everyone is willing to forgive Jane Goodall. When it was revealed last week in The Washington Post that Goodalls latest book, Seeds of Hope, a fluffy treatise on plant life, contained passages that were borrowed from other authors, the reaction was surprisingly muted. The writer who discovered the plagiarisman unnamed academic reviewing the book for the Postalerted the newspaper and backed out of the assignment. When the Post and the New York Times reported his findings, both avoided saying that Goodall had plagiarizedwhich, even by the strictest definition of the word, she didinstead writing that she borrowed passages, fully intending, apparently, to return them upon publication.
The entire controversy has been clouded in euphemism. The Post presented a half-dozen examples of plagiarism (which can be viewed here) but downplayed their significance. Appropriating another authors ideas as ones own and inventing material and presenting it as fact are among the gravest literary lapses, wrote Steven Levingston, the newspapers nonfiction editor. Neither appears to have occurred in Seeds of Hope. The Christian Science Monitor stated that in Goodalls case, there is no suggestion that her intent was to pass off the ideas of others as her own. Writer Marjorie Ingall argued that Goodall (or the books co-author, Gail Hudson) didnt commit the most hellacious sin associated with plagiarismshe didnt pass off other peoples ideas as her own.
This is both a bizarre redefining of plagiarism and a semantic sleight of hand: Goodall quite clearly passed off the words of others as her own (and presented interview quotes said to other journalists as having been said to her). But embedded in those words is both the original authors accumulated knowledge and, in context and arrangement, ideas. Regardless, Goodalls offense is one that would precipitate firing from all of those publications that are rushing to provide an elastic definition of her faults.
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Jane Goodall's work has been amazing, and an inspiration for all.
That does not make her perfect, and it does not mean that anyone should buy her proclamations, just because. Alas, like many famous scientists, she has pushed less-than-scientific claims in her later years.
I have talked with her, and I have seen her speak many times. I will never forget what I learned from her, but I will not turn the other way when she is not acting in a scientific manner.
Take care, Jane, and everyone.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)they redid them enough, gave credit enough? This new article indicates they did. This does not excuse publishing without credit, but does show they tried to fix what was done wrong.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/04/02/jane-goodalls-seeds-of-hope-reissued-a-year-after-being-pulled-from-shelves-2/
Dr. Goodall carefully reviewed her book, made corrections and added 57 pages of endnotes, Matthew Ballast, executive director of publicity for Grand Central, said in an e-mail.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)See Linus Pauling, as an example.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)fall despite their obvious genius...very sad. With Ms Goodall, I guess time will tell how she'll address it.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Hope is good.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Or do you coordinate astro-turf from different locations?
Or maybe it's the same cubicle?
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)I'd like to know. I hate scams.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Also see:
Infographic: Climate change vs. GMOs: Comparing the independent global scientific consensus
http://geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/07/08/climate-change-vs-gmos-comparing-the-independent-global-scientific-consensus/
Response to brentspeak (Reply #15)
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HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Or is the shill gambit your only response to reality?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)knew that before you posted your snark based question.
REP
(21,691 posts)It's much worse than the excerpt posted suggests. Which is a shame, but it seems fairly common for people of a certain generation to understand global climate instantly but believe any vague bullshit about GMOs.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)REP
(21,691 posts)Without making too much of an ass of myself, those born in the 30s are more likely to have memories of what the climate used to be like, what is was like without vaccines and have some degree of farm experience - Victory Gardens, family farms, summer work or hearing about the family farm. So global climate change and vaccines: yup. GMOs may get lumped into the Roundup Ready shenanigans, which is harmful to farmers but not in the "GMOs will make my babies be born nekkid" way.
Just a thought.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Please do so, and then get back to us! It could be interesting.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)One is reminded of Don Sterling, who went senile, said racist shit, then made 2 billion dollars.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)And it's being bought, hook, line, and sinker at DU.
Archae
(46,300 posts)I've lost all respect for Jane Goodall.
Jeffrey Smith is a notorious anti-GMO hysteric, and his credentials?
"Smith, whose actual education consist of business studies at the rather spectacularly unaccredited Maharishi International University, founded by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and who has enjoyed a career advocating yogic flying, has even written two books on GMO foods, Seeds of Deception and Genetic Roulette: The Documented Health Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods, which does not appear to be too careful about documentation (to put it diplomatically). He also runs a think tank, The Institute for Responsible Technology."
(snip)
Yet Jane Goodall has nothing but praise for this hysteric's bullshit.
"The problem is that people with real authority have actually taken Smiths claims seriously. Famed British primatologist Jane Goodall, who has left any aspirations of respectability on these matters behind a while ago yet continues to enjoy some respect in certain circles, generously blurbed Smiths book (If you care about your health and that of your children, buy this book, become aware of the potential problems, and take action) and cited Smiths research extensively in her own Seeds of Hope (she also recommended a book on GM by Maharishi Institute executive vice president Steven M. Druker, who surprisingly enough has no scientific training either)."
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2014/09/1157-jeffery-smith.html
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)books, redid it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/04/02/jane-goodalls-seeds-of-hope-reissued-a-year-after-being-pulled-from-shelves-2/
Are you posting this 2 yr old article because of her GMO stance?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)If so, please share the link that shows this.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Here's a newer article, seems to imply they pulled the books, redid it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/04/02/jane-goodalls-seeds-of-hope-reissued-a-year-after-being-pulled-from-shelves-2/
I am wondering why you posted a 2 yr old articl, is it because of the current anti-GMO stuff she has said?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)And other DUers pushing her stance is not something you have chosen to address. Why is that?
Please don't play games. I'm much too old for this nonsense.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)I was wondering if you posted it because of her anti-gmo stuff. I haven't read "other DUers pushing her stance" and haven't addressed that because my question here is why post a 2 yr old article about her book, the book which it appears was pulled and highly edited.
Not playing any game, just trying to figure out the motivation for posting an old story about her. And it saddens me very much because I held her in great respect. I hadn't read this 2 years ago when it happened, thanks for bringing it to my attention.
So, wondering why post an old story about her book?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You know why, so end of discussion.
Science matters. THAT'S WHY!
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)learned more and while still in some ways appalling, it is also amazing. There is so much potential there and as far as I can tell no harm to people but many good things (gold rice, if I recall the term correctly, for one).
At first the thought of sticking fish genes into plants was awful, too many bad science fiction movies as a child. Corn that breaths under water?
Also I trust Monsanto extremely little. And wonder what effects this will have on the larger environment, of whom humans "should" be good stewards. Then there is the open pollinated seeds, saving seeds for replanting vs buying commercial ones every year (I lived near and knew many who worked with one of the big open pollinated seed places in the 80's) (and save seeds myself from my home garden which is not commercial).
But.
There needs to be oversight but reading the science, I see no harm to humans. I see no need to label, indeed the idea of labeling serves a couple groups mightily as they would make gobs of money off it.
Those groups? Organic food companies and food coops/health food stores. They stand to profit off labeling in a huge way.
ETA, I just tried looking through the other Jane Goodall post which I think you mean and tire of the sniping back and forth so figured I'd answer you in depth more here.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Monsanto can FO, as far as I'm concerned, and yet I don't get the whole "March On Monsanto" routine.
Something doesn't match up with the science of the matter...
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)I hadn't looked at it, thought this was just a slam on Ms Goodall from something that seems to have been fixed. Now I understand.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)It sucks.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)You see no harm to humans. Apparently the extremely little trust you have for Monsanto serves them well.
--imm
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)so I can specifically avoid supporting all the large corporations with nasty practices against farmers. Oh, but science is the be all and end all of this argument? No. Just no. There's a lot more to it.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)It seems that GMOs bring out the corporate tendencies of DUers.
--imm
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm