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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 06:20 PM Mar 2015

Jane Goodall’s Troubling, Error-Filled New Book, ‘Seeds of Hope’

Last week famed primatologist Jane Goodall was found to have plagiarized parts of her new book, but a deeper look reveals a work plagued by rampant copying, obvious errors, and ominous junk science.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/26/jane-goodall-s-troubling-error-filled-new-book-seeds-of-hope.html

"No one wants to criticize Jane Goodall—Dame Goodall—the soft-spoken, white-haired doyenne of primatology. She cares deeply about animals and the health of the planet. How could one object to that? Her list of awards and honorary degrees are too numerous to mention. She was tasked by Kofi Annan to be a United Nations Messenger of Peace, an appropriately meaningless, but distinguished, gong. In 2010, a Guardian writer noted that Goodall’s book Hope for Animals and Their World had a “written-by-committee feel of which must of course be forgiven because of its subject matter.” He felt “doubly guilty for criticising the book” when she generously inscribed his copy.

You see, everyone is willing to forgive Jane Goodall. When it was revealed last week in The Washington Post that Goodall’s latest book, Seeds of Hope, a fluffy treatise on plant life, contained passages that were “borrowed” from other authors, the reaction was surprisingly muted. The writer who discovered the plagiarism—an unnamed academic reviewing the book for the Post—alerted the newspaper and backed out of the assignment. When the Post and the New York Times reported his findings, both avoided saying that Goodall had plagiarized—which, even by the strictest definition of the word, she did—instead writing that she “borrowed” passages, fully intending, apparently, to return them upon publication.

The entire controversy has been clouded in euphemism. The Post presented a half-dozen examples of plagiarism (which can be viewed here) but downplayed their significance. “Appropriating another author’s ideas as one’s own and inventing material and presenting it as fact are among the gravest literary lapses,” wrote Steven Levingston, the newspaper’s nonfiction editor. “Neither appears to have occurred in Seeds of Hope.” The Christian Science Monitor stated that “in Goodall’s case, there is no suggestion that her intent was to pass off the ideas of others as her own.” Writer Marjorie Ingall argued that Goodall (or the book’s co-author, Gail Hudson) “didn’t commit the most hellacious sin associated with plagiarism—she didn’t pass off other people’s ideas as her own.”

This is both a bizarre redefining of plagiarism and a semantic sleight of hand: Goodall quite clearly passed off the words of others as her own (and presented interview quotes said to other journalists as having been said to her). But embedded in those words is both the original author’s accumulated knowledge and, in context and arrangement, ideas. Regardless, Goodall’s offense is one that would precipitate firing from all of those publications that are rushing to provide an elastic definition of her faults.

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Jane Goodall's work has been amazing, and an inspiration for all.

That does not make her perfect, and it does not mean that anyone should buy her proclamations, just because. Alas, like many famous scientists, she has pushed less-than-scientific claims in her later years.

I have talked with her, and I have seen her speak many times. I will never forget what I learned from her, but I will not turn the other way when she is not acting in a scientific manner.

Take care, Jane, and everyone.

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Jane Goodall’s Troubling, Error-Filled New Book, ‘Seeds of Hope’ (Original Post) HuckleB Mar 2015 OP
The Jane Goodall Book Scandal: Most Journalists Hold Back but One Doesn’t Shy Away from Criticizing HuckleB Mar 2015 #1
And another 2 yr old article. I am wondering what happened when they pulled the books, if uppityperson Mar 2015 #17
If accurate, that is inexcusable. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #2
Maybe. Unfortunately, it's not unusual for scientists late in life. HuckleB Mar 2015 #3
That is sad and quite frankly, dangerous. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #4
All too true, though it does make the biographies more interesting! HuckleB Mar 2015 #5
Their legacy, well at least in the gentleman's case, does demonstrate how anyone can Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #6
We can hope that she'll go with science, as Bill Nye has done. HuckleB Mar 2015 #7
Yes, no doubt about that and thanks for the OP. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #8
You two have cubicles next to each other? brentspeak Mar 2015 #15
hahaha, my thoughts too, exactly. nt laundry_queen Mar 2015 #18
You would have to stop promoting scams, first. HuckleB Mar 2015 #31
What scam am I promoting? laundry_queen Mar 2015 #33
Anti-GMO propaganda. HuckleB Mar 2015 #37
AAAS Scientists: Consensus on GMO Safety Firmer Than For Human-Induced Climate Change HuckleB Mar 2015 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Mar 2015 #26
Are you incapable of thought? HuckleB Mar 2015 #30
No. You found two people who don't appreciate plagiarism. I suspect you already Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #34
Just read the Daily Beast and MIT pieces ... REP Mar 2015 #9
I don't know about generations, but... HuckleB Mar 2015 #10
That seems to jibe with my untested, wildass theory REP Mar 2015 #13
You do know that you can test those theories against actual evidence, right? HuckleB Mar 2015 #20
She lost her fastball. maybe this book should be put aside. AngryAmish Mar 2015 #11
Indeed. Unfortunately, she's still pushing anti-science, anti-GMO silliness. HuckleB Mar 2015 #12
Based on this, and her unabashed promotion of a woo book... Archae Mar 2015 #14
It's bizarre. One has to wonder how this happens. HuckleB Mar 2015 #42
Link is nearly 2 years old, why post it now? Here's a newer article, seems to imply they pulled the uppityperson Mar 2015 #16
Are you saying that she has changed her stance? HuckleB Mar 2015 #19
I did post a recent link about her book. Or do you mean the anti-GMO stance? I think that's current uppityperson Mar 2015 #21
So, no, she hasn't change her stance. HuckleB Mar 2015 #22
I was just asking why you posted a 2 yr old story about her, and added in a newer one on her book. uppityperson Mar 2015 #23
Why does a post on her old position, which she is repeating, get so many likes at DU? HuckleB Mar 2015 #24
I have come around on the GMO issue over the last couple years. It appalled me, then I read more and uppityperson Mar 2015 #25
I don't know anyone who trusts any corporations. HuckleB Mar 2015 #27
And after taking a look at that other thread, I understand this one better. uppityperson Mar 2015 #28
I really wish she had not gone down this road. HuckleB Mar 2015 #29
Why is it OK for Monsanto to profit from GMOs, but not organic food stores for labeling? immoderate Mar 2015 #32
I'd like labeling laundry_queen Mar 2015 #35
I agree. The ecological and economic factors are also considerable. immoderate Mar 2015 #36
Why is it ok to try and put words into my mouth? hmmm uppityperson Mar 2015 #38
It would be wrong for me to do that. immoderate Mar 2015 #39
How Scare Tactics on GMO Foods Hurt Everybody HuckleB Mar 2015 #40

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
17. And another 2 yr old article. I am wondering what happened when they pulled the books, if
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:43 AM
Mar 2015

they redid them enough, gave credit enough? This new article indicates they did. This does not excuse publishing without credit, but does show they tried to fix what was done wrong.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/04/02/jane-goodalls-seeds-of-hope-reissued-a-year-after-being-pulled-from-shelves-2/

Grand Central Publishing, an imprint of Hachette Book Group, decided to publish the new version after evidence emerged last year that numerous passages in the book had been used from other published sources without attribution.

“Dr. Goodall carefully reviewed her book, made corrections and added 57 pages of endnotes,” Matthew Ballast, executive director of publicity for Grand Central, said in an e-mail.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
3. Maybe. Unfortunately, it's not unusual for scientists late in life.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 06:30 PM
Mar 2015

See Linus Pauling, as an example.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
6. Their legacy, well at least in the gentleman's case, does demonstrate how anyone can
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 06:43 PM
Mar 2015

fall despite their obvious genius...very sad. With Ms Goodall, I guess time will tell how she'll address it.



brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
15. You two have cubicles next to each other?
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:26 AM
Mar 2015

Or do you coordinate astro-turf from different locations?

Or maybe it's the same cubicle?

Response to brentspeak (Reply #15)

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
34. No. You found two people who don't appreciate plagiarism. I suspect you already
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:58 AM
Mar 2015

knew that before you posted your snark based question.

REP

(21,691 posts)
9. Just read the Daily Beast and MIT pieces ...
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:41 PM
Mar 2015

It's much worse than the excerpt posted suggests. Which is a shame, but it seems fairly common for people of a certain generation to understand global climate instantly but believe any vague bullshit about GMOs.

REP

(21,691 posts)
13. That seems to jibe with my untested, wildass theory
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:23 PM
Mar 2015

Without making too much of an ass of myself, those born in the 30s are more likely to have memories of what the climate used to be like, what is was like without vaccines and have some degree of farm experience - Victory Gardens, family farms, summer work or hearing about the family farm. So global climate change and vaccines: yup. GMOs may get lumped into the Roundup Ready shenanigans, which is harmful to farmers but not in the "GMOs will make my babies be born nekkid" way.

Just a thought.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
20. You do know that you can test those theories against actual evidence, right?
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:21 AM
Mar 2015

Please do so, and then get back to us! It could be interesting.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
11. She lost her fastball. maybe this book should be put aside.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:58 PM
Mar 2015

One is reminded of Don Sterling, who went senile, said racist shit, then made 2 billion dollars.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
12. Indeed. Unfortunately, she's still pushing anti-science, anti-GMO silliness.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:02 PM
Mar 2015

And it's being bought, hook, line, and sinker at DU.

Archae

(46,300 posts)
14. Based on this, and her unabashed promotion of a woo book...
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:44 PM
Mar 2015

I've lost all respect for Jane Goodall.

Jeffrey Smith is a notorious anti-GMO hysteric, and his credentials?

"Smith, whose actual education consist of business studies at the rather spectacularly unaccredited Maharishi International University, founded by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and who has enjoyed a career advocating yogic flying, has even written two books on GMO foods, Seeds of Deception and Genetic Roulette: The Documented Health Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods, which does not appear to be too careful about documentation (to put it diplomatically). He also runs a “think tank”, The Institute for Responsible Technology."

(snip)

Yet Jane Goodall has nothing but praise for this hysteric's bullshit.

"The problem is that people with real authority have actually taken Smith’s claims seriously. Famed British primatologist Jane Goodall, who has left any aspirations of respectability on these matters behind a while ago yet continues to enjoy some respect in certain circles, generously blurbed Smith’s book (“If you care about your health and that of your children, buy this book, become aware of the potential problems, and take action”) and cited Smith’s “research” extensively in her own Seeds of Hope (she also recommended a book on GM by Maharishi Institute executive vice president Steven M. Druker, who – surprisingly enough –has no scientific training either)."

http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2014/09/1157-jeffery-smith.html

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
21. I did post a recent link about her book. Or do you mean the anti-GMO stance? I think that's current
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:24 AM
Mar 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026318659#post16
Here's a newer article, seems to imply they pulled the books, redid it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/04/02/jane-goodalls-seeds-of-hope-reissued-a-year-after-being-pulled-from-shelves-2/

I am wondering why you posted a 2 yr old articl, is it because of the current anti-GMO stuff she has said?

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
22. So, no, she hasn't change her stance.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:26 AM
Mar 2015

And other DUers pushing her stance is not something you have chosen to address. Why is that?

Please don't play games. I'm much too old for this nonsense.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
23. I was just asking why you posted a 2 yr old story about her, and added in a newer one on her book.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:30 AM
Mar 2015

I was wondering if you posted it because of her anti-gmo stuff. I haven't read "other DUers pushing her stance" and haven't addressed that because my question here is why post a 2 yr old article about her book, the book which it appears was pulled and highly edited.

Not playing any game, just trying to figure out the motivation for posting an old story about her. And it saddens me very much because I held her in great respect. I hadn't read this 2 years ago when it happened, thanks for bringing it to my attention.

So, wondering why post an old story about her book?

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
24. Why does a post on her old position, which she is repeating, get so many likes at DU?
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:33 AM
Mar 2015

You know why, so end of discussion.

Science matters. THAT'S WHY!

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
25. I have come around on the GMO issue over the last couple years. It appalled me, then I read more and
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:41 AM
Mar 2015

learned more and while still in some ways appalling, it is also amazing. There is so much potential there and as far as I can tell no harm to people but many good things (gold rice, if I recall the term correctly, for one).

At first the thought of sticking fish genes into plants was awful, too many bad science fiction movies as a child. Corn that breaths under water?

Also I trust Monsanto extremely little. And wonder what effects this will have on the larger environment, of whom humans "should" be good stewards. Then there is the open pollinated seeds, saving seeds for replanting vs buying commercial ones every year (I lived near and knew many who worked with one of the big open pollinated seed places in the 80's) (and save seeds myself from my home garden which is not commercial).

But.

There needs to be oversight but reading the science, I see no harm to humans. I see no need to label, indeed the idea of labeling serves a couple groups mightily as they would make gobs of money off it.

Those groups? Organic food companies and food coops/health food stores. They stand to profit off labeling in a huge way.

ETA, I just tried looking through the other Jane Goodall post which I think you mean and tire of the sniping back and forth so figured I'd answer you in depth more here.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
27. I don't know anyone who trusts any corporations.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:44 AM
Mar 2015

Monsanto can FO, as far as I'm concerned, and yet I don't get the whole "March On Monsanto" routine.

Something doesn't match up with the science of the matter...

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
28. And after taking a look at that other thread, I understand this one better.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:48 AM
Mar 2015

I hadn't looked at it, thought this was just a slam on Ms Goodall from something that seems to have been fixed. Now I understand.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
32. Why is it OK for Monsanto to profit from GMOs, but not organic food stores for labeling?
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 04:26 AM
Mar 2015

You see no harm to humans. Apparently the extremely little trust you have for Monsanto serves them well.

--imm

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
35. I'd like labeling
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 09:15 AM
Mar 2015

so I can specifically avoid supporting all the large corporations with nasty practices against farmers. Oh, but science is the be all and end all of this argument? No. Just no. There's a lot more to it.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
36. I agree. The ecological and economic factors are also considerable.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:21 PM
Mar 2015

It seems that GMOs bring out the corporate tendencies of DUers.

--imm

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