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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 08:51 PM Mar 2015

When four cops have to use deadly force to subdue a man, something's wrong

By TED RALL

The police shooting of a 39-year-old homeless man in the skid row section of downtown Los Angeles is prompting comparisons and reactions familiar to those that followed police killings of unarmed black men in Ferguson, Mo., and New York. The identity of the man is still not clear, but he was known as "Africa" to some who knew him on the streets.



The incident is still under investigation but many question how dangerous a man without a gun can be to four highly trained law enforcement professionals, all armed. The LAPD says its officers first approached Africa in response to a robbery call, and that its officers shot the man to prevent him from taking one of the officers' guns. The revelation that Africa was a convicted bank robber who served a long prison term seems to bolster the image of a dangerous person. In Ferguson, police also pointed to the victim's alleged involvement in a robbery.

Then there's the context of lousy community relations. "Skid row has been home to police occupation under the Safer Cities Initiative," Steve Diaz, an organizer for the Los Angeles Community Action Network, said at a meeting of the Los Angeles Police Commission's weekly meeting. "They clear people out in the name of gentrification."

Since at least one of the LAPD officers was wearing a body camera, the investigation is also being viewed as a test case for a technology that advocates hope will hold rogue cops accountable and defend honest ones against folks' charges of brutality. The claim of a St. Louis man that a policeman turned off his dashboard cam before beating him, following a similar story in New Orleans late last year, has skeptics wondering whether videotaping really is a solution in such cases.

Maybe it's because I'm old enough to remember domestic policing before it was militarized and excessive force became the norm, but for me this is as much a story about officers who escalate violence far too quickly as it is about other relevant issues, such as racism.

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http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-rall-lapd-skid-row-homeless-shooting-20150305-story.html

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When four cops have to use deadly force to subdue a man, something's wrong (Original Post) n2doc Mar 2015 OP
k&r... spanone Mar 2015 #1
Rich people dont want to see poor people, shooting them is the easiest way to deal with it. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #2
........ daleanime Mar 2015 #3
back up or gang? pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #4
Any police officer ... surrealAmerican Mar 2015 #5
I agree. brer cat Mar 2015 #7
Maybe the DoJ should investigate and tell us that things are terrible. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #6
Is this really an increase in police violence? WDIM Mar 2015 #8
they're a bunch Stellar Mar 2015 #9
Police officers are paid much better than direct care workers. HuckleB Mar 2015 #10
Perhaps people should delve more into the entire story, and the background.... George II Mar 2015 #11

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
5. Any police officer ...
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:10 PM
Mar 2015

... who has to shoot an unarmed person to prevent him from taking his gun not only has no business serving on a police force, but has no business carrying a gun for any reason.

I'm tired of this shoot-to-protect-my-gun defense. If a police officer really means that, he's incompetent and should be fired. If he's lying, he should be arrested.

brer cat

(24,559 posts)
7. I agree.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:38 PM
Mar 2015

I can't believe how we keeping hearing officers like Wilson were scared. If they are alone, walk away and call for back up. If there are multiple leos, how can they not have the training to deal with an unarmed individual? Just makes no sense at all.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
8. Is this really an increase in police violence?
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:08 PM
Mar 2015

Or is more of it just caught by camera because cameras are every where.

Police officers and excessive force is really nothing new especially to poor and minorities.

We have allowed it for so long but it is time we had a national discussion about police force. We need to train our officers to respect all citizens. That the safety of the citizen is more important than their own life and that is the job they sign up for to protect and serve the citizens of their town their district their county their state. They are the protecters not the enforcers. And every citizens has the same rights even if suspected of a crime and every citizens deserves safety and security and every citizen has the right to life and liberty.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
10. Police officers are paid much better than direct care workers.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:50 PM
Mar 2015

They ought to be better trained.

Direct care workers aren't allowed to use guns, or knives, or any other weapons.

Oh, and they usually don't have benefits, or make much money.

So, why are they held to a higher standard than our police officers?

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. Perhaps people should delve more into the entire story, and the background....
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 11:23 PM
Mar 2015

....of the person involved?

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