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4th day visiting Free Republic...one character there is like a broken record... (Original Post) trumad Mar 2015 OP
Free Republic's new meme............... leftofcool Mar 2015 #1
Prior to that, righties loved the DU thread 'Obama is a POS, etc.' Nothing new, sadly. freshwest Mar 2015 #46
Exactly. Andy823 Mar 2015 #83
Okay who is posting over there? Historic NY Mar 2015 #2
Promise you won't sign up and become a member there. Autumn Mar 2015 #3
promise trumad Mar 2015 #5
Yeah but we know you here. Autumn Mar 2015 #8
There is one guy there with the initials MG who is the most rabid... trumad Mar 2015 #10
Probaly employed by the website to keep clicks & interest going. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #27
Manny must be everywhere. nt valerief Mar 2015 #55
Rent free. pintobean Mar 2015 #56
Manny is responsible for the Bermuda Triangle MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #67
You're responsible for sore asses? TexasTowelie Mar 2015 #101
You gonna bring back some of the posts? Autumn Mar 2015 #62
They're not the only broken record. /nt pintobean Mar 2015 #4
Dude... trumad Mar 2015 #6
Dood... pintobean Mar 2015 #11
Huh? trumad Mar 2015 #12
Did you clean your shoes off pintobean Mar 2015 #13
I just took a peek over there and am totally cracking up. kestrel91316 Mar 2015 #7
The hamster's doing the best he can pinboy3niner Mar 2015 #15
I've run into some "broken records" here TexasProgresive Mar 2015 #9
Remember the anti-Snowden posts, dear lord hourly posts... Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #24
every fifth post was on vaccinations one week. nt Ilsa Mar 2015 #58
DU is a great place, without them following each other to keep their OP's at the top of the page. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #30
Four days? TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #14
I see what you're doing... Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #16
Just one!? Rex Mar 2015 #17
Naw! Just a slow server. leftofcool Mar 2015 #19
Well Rimjob is still trying to get all those floppies out of the case to upgrade. Rex Mar 2015 #20
LOL! leftofcool Mar 2015 #26
Seriously! They've been stuck for about 3 months now on why we all are haters! Rex Mar 2015 #29
Sums it up quite well. +100000 misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #31
Ahhh, poor fucks libodem Mar 2015 #34
!!! hifiguy Mar 2015 #48
I bet that character was all aghast at the email 'atrocity' until that didn't work... Spazito Mar 2015 #18
I really wish the admins would re-open Meta so that the... demmiblue Mar 2015 #21
I hope Meta stays dead and buried forever. hifiguy Mar 2015 #49
Right Nation is where ChazII Mar 2015 #22
Ramses found his home. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #23
Here's the jury...... nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #25
Where are we getting all these thin skinned folks? leftofcool Mar 2015 #28
Gee, I never associated the illustrious Manny with FR. Thanks for the heads up, alerter! Hekate Mar 2015 #41
Neither did I--this is the first I've heard of it....from an ALERT, no less! MADem Mar 2015 #47
I read the first line. It's all you need. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #50
"but then I simply stopped reading Manny quite some time ago" Number23 Mar 2015 #54
Juror # 5 - FTW! Sheldon Cooper Mar 2015 #59
Why....thanks...nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #60
somebody alerted this post Takket Mar 2015 #63
Seriously? Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #78
Thank you for posting that! nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #80
Someone alerted on this... one_voice Mar 2015 #86
This is a very interesting alert. The original alert failed....and msanthrope Mar 2015 #87
The language used in both is similar.. one_voice Mar 2015 #88
Admin has provided a very helpful search box. msanthrope Mar 2015 #91
I hope the admins see these egregious jury shopping attempts... Spazito Mar 2015 #89
Admin sees all alerts. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #90
The sheer volume alone... Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #92
Is that sarcasm? libodem Mar 2015 #32
Know thine enemy? leftofcool Mar 2015 #36
I'm a blue girl in a red state libodem Mar 2015 #38
Me too! leftofcool Mar 2015 #51
oh god libodem Mar 2015 #61
Kick and rec! zappaman Mar 2015 #33
Leave your shoes outside on the porch when you come back home here Hekate Mar 2015 #35
The hate Hillary. It would be a negative, except their base ALWAYS votes and extreme McCamy Taylor Mar 2015 #37
Hatred Extremists libodem Mar 2015 #42
Some of the Freepers might not vote for Bush if he's the nominee. Jim Lane Mar 2015 #45
Why are you torturing yourself, visiting these sites with their rabid, irrational hatred of Hillary? Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #39
Are you okay? Can I get you some water? shenmue Mar 2015 #40
There are some posters here who are very anti Hillary Wella Mar 2015 #43
Damn, I didn't know there were any 286s still operational... Thor_MN Mar 2015 #44
DU rec... SidDithers Mar 2015 #52
Thank you for doing what I can't do malaise Mar 2015 #53
You went through decontamination before coming back, right? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #57
Thanks to these recent right-wing attacks, betsuni Mar 2015 #64
I was just told that this thread is about... Me!!! MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #65
Why yes I did marym625 Mar 2015 #66
You need to read the background leading up to the bill and stop doing what you're decrying. MADem Mar 2015 #68
Thanks for the useful information, MADem. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #69
You're welcome. MADem Mar 2015 #71
Thank you! n/t betsuni Mar 2015 #70
Should I believe you? Or the NY Times? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #74
Didn't Judy Miller work for the NYT? trumad Mar 2015 #75
Nice try. Let's suppose that Miller hadn't already been fired when that article was written, MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #77
oh I see... trumad Mar 2015 #81
As I wrote, the choice is between believing you or the NY Times. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #85
Well no shit you going with something that fits your narrative. trumad Mar 2015 #93
Or my narrative is going with what best fits the evidence. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #95
Going with the NYT--after all the shit they've shoveled--is a huge clue. MADem Mar 2015 #97
Let's see--someone who has voted "D" for their entire life, or Judy Miller's NYT? MADem Mar 2015 #96
Judy Miller's NYT? I'm not aware that it was ever "her" NYT, and in any event, she left in 2005. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #98
You need to do a little more homework if that's all you take away. And no, I am not MADem Mar 2015 #99
How many Manny's does it take to change a light bulb? trumad Mar 2015 #72
Thanks for another example of how Centrist = embrace the worst of both extremes. leveymg Mar 2015 #76
How in God's name can you stand it? hatrack Mar 2015 #73
Well DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #79
if it walks like a duck... trumad Mar 2015 #82
The duckies were something different pintobean Mar 2015 #84
well if it walks like a duck... trumad Mar 2015 #94
Actually, more than one site does that. Just sayin' freshwest Mar 2015 #100

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
46. Prior to that, righties loved the DU thread 'Obama is a POS, etc.' Nothing new, sadly.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 04:45 PM
Mar 2015
122 recs, 712 replies, 49,306 views. Yes, it was deleted later, but it made it to many rightwing sites.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024685964

The Free Republic post where they rejoiced is on the thread, too.

They apparently live off our postings here. As do a couple of other sites. But then, they are not exactly the wellspring of new ideas either.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
83. Exactly.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:13 AM
Mar 2015

And the same group that put that post up to 122 recs, are pretty much the same group that is going after Clinton here on DU. It's a never ending cycle of bashing president Obama, the party, and now those who will run in 2016. Right now it's Clinton, but they could add more candidates as time goes on that they will bash also. I have no problem with people disagreeing on who should be our candidate, that's normal, but when things get so carried away that the bashers start using right wing talking points daily, then that's going to far in my opinion. I always wonder what the real goal is of some of those who keep this carp going day in and day out.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
10. There is one guy there with the initials MG who is the most rabid...
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 01:42 PM
Mar 2015

Dude posts non-stop.....

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
7. I just took a peek over there and am totally cracking up.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 01:40 PM
Mar 2015

RimJob STILL hasn't upgraded that website!!!!! It looks like something from the MS-DOS days.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
9. I've run into some "broken records" here
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 01:41 PM
Mar 2015

The ones who really have nothing to say but keep on saying it badly are in my ignore list (there aren't that many, as I check every now and then and find that they get tombstoned). Funny thing is I seldom see missing replies in threads by other people. Maybe they only do OPs.

I know some here are adamant against using ignore but I find it helps me. I've also used the feature to prevent threads from showing with certain key words. Sometimes certain subjects are not only beating a dead horse but there is nothing left but jelly.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
30. DU is a great place, without them following each other to keep their OP's at the top of the page.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:34 PM
Mar 2015

Got old real fast.
I do the same as you TexasProgresive

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
14. Four days?
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 01:52 PM
Mar 2015

Saturday night is bath night. Better fill the tub with bleach after that journey into the abyss.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
20. Well Rimjob is still trying to get all those floppies out of the case to upgrade.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:12 PM
Mar 2015

Windows 3.1 has done him good. On to Windows 98!

Really, I don't know why anyone goes to that site. If they are jonesing for a troll fight fix...just head on over to Discussionist. Seems the smarter trolls from FR and stormfront are there now trying to figure out why we all think they are racist!

Spazito

(50,283 posts)
18. I bet that character was all aghast at the email 'atrocity' until that didn't work...
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:03 PM
Mar 2015

so has gone back to the old cliched attacks in hopes of getting attention. Thank goodness that doesn't happen here!

demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
21. I really wish the admins would re-open Meta so that the...
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:12 PM
Mar 2015

majority of DUers don't have to deal with the internecine squabbles in the form of thinly disguised meta threads that keep popping up.

I would also like to see more latitude given to hide meta-type threads.

I know it won't happen, but

ChazII

(6,204 posts)
22. Right Nation is where
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:17 PM
Mar 2015

I go when I want to see what the right wing is thinking. It is a bit more tolerable than Free Republic. You have a stronger stomach than I do, Trumad.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
25. Here's the jury...... nt
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:24 PM
Mar 2015


On Sat Mar 7, 2015, 01:08 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

4th day visiting Free Republic...one character there is like a broken record...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026326724

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Call out and personal attack against MannyGoldstein. Most people in the thread know it and he makes it clear in post #10. I say hide it for the attack (calling Manny a freeper) and for the lack of guts to debate Manny directly. This tactic is chickenshit.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Mar 7, 2015, 01:22 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree that this is a thinly veiled call-out. Probably won't get a hide but it is transparent enough that it should.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Well...if this doesn't prove that there's a precious protectorate of Manny going on, I don't know what does. Fer chrissakkes.....stop the bullshit of protecting critique against Manny and let the little man defend himself.

Or is that what you are afraid of? Manny is terribly thin-skinned, isn't he?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alert on post 10 not this

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Hekate

(90,642 posts)
41. Gee, I never associated the illustrious Manny with FR. Thanks for the heads up, alerter!
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 03:02 PM
Mar 2015


Really, I didn't get that from the OP, but then I simply stopped reading Manny quite some time ago.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
47. Neither did I--this is the first I've heard of it....from an ALERT, no less!
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 04:46 PM
Mar 2015

Wonder who the alerter was, and if they'll come forward to explain their reasoning?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
54. "but then I simply stopped reading Manny quite some time ago"
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 07:43 PM
Mar 2015

You and many others.

But you should check out his latest foray. He's getting some really good education in yet another attempt to trash Hillary. Will it do any good? Who knows? Is it fun-filled reading and a helluva thread but not in the way he was intending? Oh good gracious, yes.

Takket

(21,556 posts)
63. somebody alerted this post
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 12:01 AM
Mar 2015

I was #7. I did not comment because the absurdity of the alert didn't deserve an explanation.

Why....thanks...nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6329756

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is kind of complicated. Well not really at all. This poster insulted another DUer in a jury comment (called a poster "little man&quot , posted said results and comments in post #25, and then takes full credit for the insult in this post. Too cute by half and an attempt to insult without consequences.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Mar 7, 2015, 09:52 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Really sick and tired of attacks on fellow DUers. This place has become more like other sites that are not democratic. No one is allowed to post an opinion if it doesn't follow misanthrope and a few other's thinking. Absolutely ridiculous bull.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: meh grow up please.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I just don't see a reason to hide this post from the all the information provided and I read through the entire thread before deciding.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Where's the foul, I'm trying to watch a basketball game, leave it alone!!!
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hide the whole sub-thread. One of those seemingly innocuous statements that is really an invite to cleverly, and not so cleverly in this case, attack members of DU. Waging personal wars under the guise of civil discourse. That said, the alerted on comment isn't hide worthy in and of itself. It would be pointless to hide just that comment. Where the jury verdict was deliberately entered into the discussion for the purpose of sharing the directed comment is, however, worth hiding. As is the sub-thread relating to it.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: UGHHHHHH
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
86. Someone alerted on this...
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:22 AM
Mar 2015

I think this may be the second time I've posted results. I'm only doing so because of the alert down thread. It looks like someone is out for you; not sure if it's the same person or people working together. This shit makes DU suck. imo.

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service


On Sat Mar 7, 2015, 07:56 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Here's the jury...... nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6327000

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This poster insults another DUer by calling him "little man" in the comments. Then posts the comments, and takes credit for the insult down thread in #60. Personal attack. Please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Mar 7, 2015, 08:07 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: OMG are you serious with this alert. Stop it just stop. Manny is not royalty he's not privileged to be protected from any and all insults. If you have an issue with a juror's comments don't back door them with an alert like this...alert to admin. Jesus fucking christ I feel like this is high school and the 'cool' clique don't like the push back so now they're running and telling....
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerting on jury results is a bit too meta for me. If there is a personal feud going on, we have the capability to ignore either the Hatfield or the McCoy.

Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree with the person who alerted. This juror comment is inappropriate.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Using jury comments as a slick way to make personal attacks sucks, and personal attacks are just about all this poster has ever brought to this place. Hide it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
87. This is a very interesting alert. The original alert failed....and
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:32 AM
Mar 2015

apparently, so did this one. I think it's abuse of the jury system to ask jurors to consider a post that has been alerted on and passed.....so I'm glad administration sees all alerts.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
91. Admin has provided a very helpful search box.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:55 AM
Mar 2015

When you take certain user names and certain short phrases and run them through that helpful little search box.....you get something very interesting.

For example if you take the phrase "personal attack"......which is common to both alerts, plus a username or two? Administration has cleverly given us the tools......

Spazito

(50,283 posts)
89. I hope the admins see these egregious jury shopping attempts...
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:39 AM
Mar 2015

it is glaringly obvious not to mention kind of creepy.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
92. The sheer volume alone...
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:56 AM
Mar 2015

I suppose their odds of getting a hide goes up exponentially.

Gotta say...juror #1 absolutely nailed it.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
32. Is that sarcasm?
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:38 PM
Mar 2015

Gird your loins against, "Stalkholm Syndrome", sometimes the unaware are taken in and brainwashed by their own infiltration. I made that up.

(Why would you even traffic that cesspool?)

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
36. Know thine enemy?
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:45 PM
Mar 2015

Sometimes it is just funny as hell to read. Just shower with bleach after and use a scrub brush!

libodem

(19,288 posts)
38. I'm a blue girl in a red state
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:54 PM
Mar 2015

Our AM side of the dial is nothing but a thinly veiled hate dispensary of the usual Clear Channel Journal broadcast foxsnooze hate talkers. I get enough. Even Coast to Coast has a religious bias now. I miss Art Bell. He didn't always have it right but at least no one could get on and quote fucking Bible verses. I'm sick of it!

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
33. Kick and rec!
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:38 PM
Mar 2015

Did not know Marjoe Gortner was a freeper.
He'll, I didn't even know he was still alive!

Hekate

(90,642 posts)
35. Leave your shoes outside on the porch when you come back home here
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:42 PM
Mar 2015

We don't want that stuff tracked into DU!

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
37. The hate Hillary. It would be a negative, except their base ALWAYS votes and extreme
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:48 PM
Mar 2015

hatred of the Dem nominee does not encourage them to vote anymore than they already do. They hate Obama and he still won, twice. That is because the Dems win by mobilizing their usually apathetic base. The GOP wins by encouraging the Dem base to stay home.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
42. Hatred Extremists
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 03:18 PM
Mar 2015

Are a huge driver for their negative energy. The anti Clinton machine is already in place and well oiled.

It's reflexive.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
45. Some of the Freepers might not vote for Bush if he's the nominee.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 03:59 PM
Mar 2015

In each of the last two cycles, the movement conservatives have seen the nomination go to someone they consider a RINO. Each time, the GOP establishment has touted that candidate as the one who can win, unlike the more conservative candidates. And each time, that establishment candidate has lost.

I agree with you that they'll vote, but they won't necessarily vote for Bush, whom they despise. When I look in there, I see plenty of comments along the lines of "If the GOP nominates Bush, they're dead to me, I'm voting third party."

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
39. Why are you torturing yourself, visiting these sites with their rabid, irrational hatred of Hillary?
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:59 PM
Mar 2015

When you could just stay here on DU?

betsuni

(25,460 posts)
64. Thanks to these recent right-wing attacks,
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 12:51 AM
Mar 2015

Last edited Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:05 AM - Edit history (1)

I now know that Hillary started the Iraq War and destroyed the American middle class, among other large bad things. I'm nostalgic for the '90s when she was just a pant-suited murdering lesbian who did not like to bake cookies.

(Just in case, this is sarcasm.)

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
65. I was just told that this thread is about... Me!!!
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:03 AM
Mar 2015

Thank you! Thank you!



I. Am. Humbled.

BTW, did you know that Hillary Clinton co-sponsored an bill to criminalize flag burning? Here's what the NY Times wrote:

Senator Clinton, in Pander Mode

Hillary Clinton is co-sponsoring a bill to criminalize the burning of the American flag. Her supporters would characterize this as an attempt to find a middle way between those who believe that flag-burning is constitutionally protected free speech and those who want to ban it, even if it takes a constitutional amendment. Unfortunately, it looks to us more like a simple attempt to have it both ways.

Senator Clinton says she opposes a constitutional amendment to outlaw flag-burning. In 1989, the Supreme Court ruled that flag-burning was protected by the First Amendment. But her bill, which is sponsored by Senator Robert Bennett, Republican of Utah, is clearly intended to put the issue back before the current, more conservative, Supreme Court in hopes of getting a turnaround.

It's hard to see this as anything but pandering - there certainly isn't any urgent need to resolve the issue. Flag-burning hasn't been in fashion since college students used slide rules in math class and went to pay phones at the student union to call their friends. Even then, it was a rarity that certainly never put the nation's security in peril.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
66. Why yes I did
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:18 AM
Mar 2015

I also know she has the man that threatened Elizabeth Warren as her main adviser.

You really get to people. When they want to try to take you down with snark and have only, "so she apologized" as an answer to some objections, or don't respond at all to other objections, you know you are in the right.

Sweet dreams.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
68. You need to read the background leading up to the bill and stop doing what you're decrying.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:25 AM
Mar 2015

That bill was negotiated by the Senate leadership and sponsored by HRC to put the brakes on another bill that would have criminalized, with jail and fines, flag-burning in any location at any protest. Clinton's bill restricts the prohibition to federal property only. Already there are rules against starting fires on federal properties, so her bill didn't change a damn thing. What it did do, though, was satisfy a bunch of blowhards that were trying to shut down dissent, but who in the end, settled for the APPEARANCE of shutting down dissent, while nothing changed.

So, nice try, but big fail, there. Clinton's bill actually stopped a rabid, flag-waving Congress from criminalizing a common protest activity.

If you'd been reading DU at the time, you'd have known this--there were a number of discussions about it. But hey, that "J'accuse!" and "Gotcha!" crapola --stale as it is--is so much more fun for you, I guess...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
71. You're welcome.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:41 AM
Mar 2015

HRC was viewed as the person who solved a very difficult problem (and it was a major problem as the original law under consideration would have probably gone to a sketchy Supreme Court). With her solution, nothing changed, and the flag-waving blowhards had no reason to keep pushing. It was a very clever legislative trick.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
77. Nice try. Let's suppose that Miller hadn't already been fired when that article was written,
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 10:16 AM
Mar 2015

as had the Executive Editor during the runup to Iraq, Howell Raines.

In that case, Miller and Raines would be guilty, in your eyes, of believeing roughly the same things as Hillary Clinton believed during the runup.

But, alas, Miller and Raines were both terminated by that time, and the team in place was the team that held firm when Bush warned them, in person, at the White House, not to publish the info on warrantless wiretapping.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
85. As I wrote, the choice is between believing you or the NY Times.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:19 AM
Mar 2015

not whether the NY Times is perfect.

Given that the NY Times recognized that shilling for war was a mistake and removed the personnel responsible, and given that you seem to not see any reason to remove at least one person who was at least as responsible... heck, you seem to feel she deserves a huge promotion!... I gotta go with the Times.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
97. Going with the NYT--after all the shit they've shoveled--is a huge clue.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:20 PM
Mar 2015

I guess some would have been happier with the GOP version of the bill, which was to amend the Constitution to forbid flag burning?

HRC's compromise changed nothing because it's illegal to start fires on federal properties without a permit, anyway. Anyone burning a flag on federal land previous to this change was subject to that prohibition--nothing changed with HRC's legislation. She used diplomacy and some clever wrangling to avoid a rabid, intemperate, and moronic attempt to change the Constitution. But hey, Judy Miller's NYT gets the "thumbs up" here?





MADem

(135,425 posts)
96. Let's see--someone who has voted "D" for their entire life, or Judy Miller's NYT?
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:06 PM
Mar 2015
The aspens are turning......

The fact that you'd have a "challenge" in that regard tells me all I need to know!

And were that not enough, there's always Google.

Yeah--so tough to choose, indeed!

I love transparency--and you are nothing if not that.
 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
98. Judy Miller's NYT? I'm not aware that it was ever "her" NYT, and in any event, she left in 2005.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 09:18 PM
Mar 2015
Later, she was a contributor to the Fox News Channel and a fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute. She is currently a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.[5] On December 29, 2010, numerous media outlets reported that she had signed on as a contributing writer to the conservative magazine Newsmax.[6][7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller


But she is, apparently, a wingnut. Or else they just pay better.

Or maybe since she's CFR she bats for both teams. So hard to keep up.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
99. You need to do a little more homework if that's all you take away. And no, I am not
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 09:39 PM
Mar 2015

helping you--you're on your own. The NYT is not our friend. And by "our" I mean Democrats (I am one of those) and the Democratic Party.

You know a lot about this place, down to personalities, even predating your sign up date. I'm sure you'll have no trouble finding the material in the archives and getting up to speed.

Not too hard to keep up, really--the Scooter Libby scandal was major news and Judy was in the thick of it.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
72. How many Manny's does it take to change a light bulb?
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 04:38 AM
Mar 2015

One

He holds it and the world revolves around him.

Sorry Manny..... it ain't all about you.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
76. Thanks for another example of how Centrist = embrace the worst of both extremes.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 10:15 AM
Mar 2015

Why am I not surprised that HRC would cosponsor such a Bill? Why is this the first I ever heard of this?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
79. Well
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 10:27 AM
Mar 2015

They openly brag at Free Republic and the site whose name shall not be mentioned how they infiltrate this board, stake out the most extreme positions, and get posters here to agree with them.

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