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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFlashback: Clinton says of Obama "Just a few years ago, Obama would have been serving their coffee."
I went on MSNBCs The Ed Show Tuesday to talk about health care reform, but somehow the conversation turned to Game Change, John Heilemann and Mark Halperins breathless new book about the last election. I shouldnt have been surprised; MSNBC particularly has been all Game Change, all the time since last week.
On Sunday I wrote about the books revelation that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid used the term Negro dialect referring to Barack Obama. I wrote then about my discomfort with the books mostly anonymous sourcing there is no index or source notes as well as its strange practice of quoting inflammatory statements in mere sentence fragments, without full context, and Heilemann and Halperins Bob Woodward-like zest for recreating thoughts and conversations they couldnt have been a party to. (I particularly enjoyed the opening scene, set in Obamas room at a Des Moines Hampton Inn just before the Iowa caucuses, when the candidate woke up anxious in the middle of the night, feeling like the dog that caught the bus. Were they there? Now thats a story!) I have the book, and Im making my way through it, but Im surprised more people arent asking the questions I have about it. And thats what I told Schultz, somewhat to his surprise.
In what may be the most damaging revelation of all that former President Clinton told Sen. Ted Kennedy that just a few years ago, Obama would have been serving their coffee the incendiary statement, with zero sourcing, isnt even in quotes. None of the words, not even coffee, are in quotes, and given how many zingy words and sentence fragments they toss around in quotes elsewhere in the book, it makes me wonder what theyre shaky on. Did Clinton say coffee? Or was it tea? Martinis? But that lack of clarity hasnt stopped many other journalists including my friend Eugene Robinson, who should know better from serving up the statement in quotes, as though it came verbatim from Clinton and/or Kennedy, and concluding that Clinton was saying Obama should be serving him and Kennedy coffee because hes black, and thus Clinton is a racist.
On Sunday I wrote about the books revelation that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid used the term Negro dialect referring to Barack Obama. I wrote then about my discomfort with the books mostly anonymous sourcing there is no index or source notes as well as its strange practice of quoting inflammatory statements in mere sentence fragments, without full context, and Heilemann and Halperins Bob Woodward-like zest for recreating thoughts and conversations they couldnt have been a party to. (I particularly enjoyed the opening scene, set in Obamas room at a Des Moines Hampton Inn just before the Iowa caucuses, when the candidate woke up anxious in the middle of the night, feeling like the dog that caught the bus. Were they there? Now thats a story!) I have the book, and Im making my way through it, but Im surprised more people arent asking the questions I have about it. And thats what I told Schultz, somewhat to his surprise.
In what may be the most damaging revelation of all that former President Clinton told Sen. Ted Kennedy that just a few years ago, Obama would have been serving their coffee the incendiary statement, with zero sourcing, isnt even in quotes. None of the words, not even coffee, are in quotes, and given how many zingy words and sentence fragments they toss around in quotes elsewhere in the book, it makes me wonder what theyre shaky on. Did Clinton say coffee? Or was it tea? Martinis? But that lack of clarity hasnt stopped many other journalists including my friend Eugene Robinson, who should know better from serving up the statement in quotes, as though it came verbatim from Clinton and/or Kennedy, and concluding that Clinton was saying Obama should be serving him and Kennedy coffee because hes black, and thus Clinton is a racist.
Joan Walsh: When gossip trumps news
Goodness. Even the late Ted Kennedy couldn't keep his story straight. So dismayed...
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Flashback: Clinton says of Obama "Just a few years ago, Obama would have been serving their coffee." (Original Post)
OilemFirchen
Mar 2015
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Autumn
(45,057 posts)1. I thought it was "carrying our bags."
What a strange coincidence.
Autumn
(45,057 posts)4. Weird isn't it.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)5. bags of coffee?
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)2. It's 2015...
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)6. I thought the story came from Tim Russert?
ETA: Tim got it from Rahm E. who got it from Ted Kennedy who got it from Rahm E.
Rahm blamed Hillary for loss of his WH job. Rahm was running his own agenda but Bill would not fire him because he thought he could fix him. Hillary got him bounced. Rahm hated Hillary and was looking for a way to get even. He found it in 2008 through effective use of the sucking media. If Rahm's mouth is moving he is lying.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)7. It came from a "source".
Who, apparently, couldn't tell the story the same way twice.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)8. Rahm still can't keep it straight. nt