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The sweetheart deal the Justice Department gave to former CIA Director David Petraeus for leaking top secret information compared to the stiff jail sentences other low-level leakers have received under the Obama administration has led to renewed calls for leniency for NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. And no one makes the case better than famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg.
Ellsberg, the first person ever charged under the Espionage Act or any other statute for leaking the Pentagon Papers to Congress and 17 newspapers, told me on Thursday: The factual charges against [Edward Snowden] are not more serious, as violations of the classification regulations and non-disclosure agreements, than those Petraeus has admitted to, which are actually quite spectacular.Equal Justice for Petraeus and Snowden?
March 6, 2015
The Justice Departments decision to let ex-CIA Director Petraeus off with a hand slap for giving his mistress highly sensitive secrets raises questions about the harsh punishments meted out to lower-level leakers/truth-tellers and the threat of a long prison term for NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, writes Trevor Timm.
By Trevor Timm https://consortiumnews.com/2015/03/06/equal-justice-for-petraeus-and-snowden/
Is it me, or can't people distinguish what our government will do to a person's whistle blowing after discovery of unlawful spying programs versus a decorated general who can't keep it in his pants providing his girlfriend top secret information?
Rex
(65,616 posts)What was his name? General Crapper...er Clapper? General Clap-on!?
THAT'S HIS NAME! GENERAL CLAP-ON!
Yeah generals get a free pass...so do admirals named Poindexter...and a few Colonels...
Citizen Four had good moments of Clapper and his minion doing what they did so well. Lie.
I personally do not like to support the salaries of these folks, but I'd rather support them behind bars.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)You can stop right there.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)A third CIA director provides an even more direct precedent to the Petraeus case: after he resigned as director in 1996, John M Deutch was found to have stored on his uncleared personal home computer which he used for internet access information as sensitive as Petraeuss, including covert agent identities. He was given misdemeanor plea bargain exactly like Petraeuss, which he was about to sign when he was preemptively pardoned by President Clinton.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)gave him bad advice--he deserves a harsher punishment. But I doubt he joined the military or took the job at CIA for the sole intent of exposing government secrets and running off to Russia with them, unlike Fast Eddie. Intent/motive matter in legal stuff like this.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Or was he expecting to get a sentence more like that of Manning and Kiriakou?
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)failings were the cause of his playing fast and loose with his binders of intel, and not the desire to have those binders exposed or given to other countries. Manning and Snowden had other reasons for what they did--but they appear to have wanted to make their accessed intel public, and did so knowingly and deliberately. Kiriakou is kind of in-between, IMO, since his motives were related to the torture program, if I understand correctly. He's the closest to a real whistleblower.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)From what star chamber did you get THIS?
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)purely by accident? Or because their hot girlfriend nagged them?
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)
and while you're at it, keep making those crazy little emoticons, in keeping with where this is all coming from.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Snowden speaks freely about his activities. He can't bring his cowardly traitor ass back to America, because he's a chickenshit.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)What are the reasons? "They appear to have wanted" needs further explanation, if you're going to accuse someone of wanting to do so knowingly and deliberately.
You seem to have a lot of "because (he's) a chickens shit." reasons, which really are no reasons at all. Your "reasons" are no more than using ad hominem
Because you want to call someone names? Do you use logical fallacies to explain your attacks?
I'm waiting for your reasons, okay? Do you understand the question now?
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)to reveal information. Revealing information to media figures and wikileaks shows intent to disseminate info. Petraeus never called himself a whistleblower, and his girlfriend didn't put his classified stuff in her book.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Maybe you don't understand the difference betweens someone who shares secrets linked with fucking another person and another person who points out criminal activities that affect the conversation you and I are now having.
Or, you should just make it a point to see Citizen Four, which is the actual account of what happened, what was disclosed for what reasons, and how the NSA and our government responded to something that was done purposely because it revealed your and my digital world being owned by the NSA.
Or, would you just continue to blithely state an excuse for the girlfriend who participated in breaking the law being an exception because she was "not putting it in her book"?
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)What exactly does that connote?
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Super of you.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)It's a slur, the way it was used. Might as well have called Ed Snowden "retard".
Very offensive.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)and it in no way impugns racers and runners.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)How disingenuous of you to produce this rubbish at this point.
Have the guts to say, I'm using a slur, or change your post.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)He's a traitor. And I did change my post, dearheart.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Why do I feel like I'm in an elementary school playground all of a sudden?
I doubt that anyone would have made career moves using their expertise with sensitive computerized intelligence because they had the sole intent of participating in an illegally use of that intelligence.
Lots of arrogant and likely stupid people think with their "peckers" every day without spilling top secret intelligence, BTW.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)refused to turn him over to the US. He was traveling to SA, NOT Russia, and it serves no purpose to lie about or to not take the trouble to find out, what the facts of the story are.
When he landed in Moscow, his passport was no longer operable, so it was the US Govt that stranded him in Russia.
Now why would they do that? How convenient for a 'spy' (thanks Rep Rogers, he still hasn't provided the proof he was asked for that ridiculous lie) for his government to get him exactly to where he wanted to go??
Either that was a stupid mistake, or they WANTED him Russia. But HE wanted to go to S. America.
You need to update your information on this story.
He saw wrongdoing in a Government Agency and he became a Whistle Blower.
Having watched over the past decade how this country treats Whistle Blowers, including those who did everything by the book, he sought political asylum outside the country.
It happens all the time when countries abuse the rights of Whistle Blowers and rather than protect them under the law, silence, even torture them (see Chelsea Manning).
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Perhaps you can educate me
. Which one of these committed unintentional manslaughter and which committed murder in the first degree, now?
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)neither do you.