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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:40 PM Mar 2015

Tokyo firebombing - survivors recall most destructive air raid in history

http://www.dw.de/tokyo-firebombing-survivors-recall-most-destructive-air-raid-in-history/a-18300080

An estimated 100,000 people perished in the firebomb raid on Tokyo in the night of March 9-10, 1945. At the same time, 1 million were rendered homeless and over 41 square kilometers of the city were razed to the ground.

Haruyo Nihei was just eight years old when the US bombers unleashed their deadly cargoes above Tokyo, yet the terrors of that night and the days that followed are seared into her memory. Seven decades later, she says her ability to recall can be a curse.

That was about to change for Nihei, her parents, older brother and younger sister.

The family lived in the working-class Koto district of the city, north-west of the heart of Tokyo - an area of small wood-and-paper homes crammed together in close communities. Her parents had a business selling spices to restaurants around the city.

Pile of corpses

Miraculously, as the dawn began to rise and the fires died down, Nihei's father found her and pulled her from the pile of corpses on top of her. Charred beyond recognition, they had saved her from a similar fate, she said.

A total of 279 B-29 Superfortresses took part in the raid, dropping 1,665 tons of bombs on the Japanese capital. The majority were 230kg cluster bombs that each released 38 bomblets carrying napalm at an altitude of around 750 meters.

The weapons were able to burn straight through the flimsy homes, schools and hospitals in what was primarily a residential district.
As well as the 100,000 who were killed, an estimated 125,000 were injured and 1.5 million lost their homes. The raid killed more people than the comparable attack on the German city of Dresden, as well as the immediate casualties of the atomic bomb attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki five months later. The firestorm also destroyed countless small companies churning out equipment for the Japanese war effort.

"It has a special meaning for us to have this facility on this spot," said Takeuchi. "I don't hate Americans and I don't hold a grudge, but I do want future generations to know what happened here.

"I don't think that most people really understand what happened," she said. "We want to show that in war, it is the weak and vulnerable - women, the elderly, children - who are too often the victims."


The charred remains of a woman and the child she carried on her back.
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Tokyo firebombing - survivors recall most destructive air raid in history (Original Post) Bonobo Mar 2015 OP
100,000 civilians killed in ONE NIGHT and a million made homeless. Bonobo Mar 2015 #1
kr ND-Dem Mar 2015 #2
Thank you. Bonobo Mar 2015 #3
in general, americans don't seem big on memory. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #4
I didn't realize they were "napalm bomblets." Suich Mar 2015 #5
One of the saddest movie I have ever seen was yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #6
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #7
From "The Fog of War" betsuni Mar 2015 #8
The real barbarians malaise Mar 2015 #9
May I ask if you are familiar with The Rape of Nanking? Telcontar Mar 2015 #10
One can condemn both acts. Bonobo Mar 2015 #11
someone had a cow but didn't get far. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #12
hunh...for the record, I didnt alert Telcontar Mar 2015 #14
One was necessary to stop the other Telcontar Mar 2015 #13
Condemn doesn't mean label. Lancero Mar 2015 #15
The Rape of Nanking was committed by Japanese soldiers. betsuni Mar 2015 #16
Committed by soldiers... Against civilians. Lancero Mar 2015 #18
Well, I didn't call the U.S. the true barbarians. betsuni Mar 2015 #20
I think too many people really dont understand what war is Telcontar Mar 2015 #19
I know it wasn't. I was referring to proportional as in the video betsuni Mar 2015 #22
Sorry, thought you were responding to me Telcontar Mar 2015 #23
Well, now I've lost tack of who I'm responding to... betsuni Mar 2015 #24
And what's what a lot of people who decry attacks like these don't care to look into. Lancero Mar 2015 #25
"civilization is no more than a veneer, through which barbarism is always about to extrude." Demit Mar 2015 #26
The Cigar Who Brought the Fire Wind: Curtis LeMay and the Incendiary Bombing of Japan Octafish Mar 2015 #17
People who live in paper houses should not start war. CK_John Mar 2015 #21
^^THIS^^ nt DustyJoe Mar 2015 #27
It's only a war crime if the losing side does it. FLPanhandle Mar 2015 #28

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
1. 100,000 civilians killed in ONE NIGHT and a million made homeless.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 12:02 AM
Mar 2015

I would hope that some people would give a thought for the innocent lives on this anniversary.

"One death is a tragedy. A million is a statistic."

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
3. Thank you.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 12:37 AM
Mar 2015

It is right that this be remembered.

War should not be an excuse for the callous and wholesale burning of innocent men, women and children.

100,000 in one night.

It is a heinous act that should have been considered a war crime if that title had any meaning other than one with which to extract further payments from the losers of a war.

Suich

(10,642 posts)
5. I didn't realize they were "napalm bomblets."
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 02:29 AM
Mar 2015

Seventy years later, and it's still the "weak and vulnerable - women, the elderly, children - who are too often the victims."

Thanks for posting this, Bonobo.





 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
7. What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 02:39 AM
Mar 2015
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Gandhi

betsuni

(25,349 posts)
8. From "The Fog of War"
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 02:53 AM
Mar 2015

"Killing 50-90% of the people of 67 Japanese cities and then bombing them with two nuclear bombs is not proportional ... to the objectives we were trying to achieve. ... LeMay said, if we'd lost the war we'd all be prosecuted as war criminals."


 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
10. May I ask if you are familiar with The Rape of Nanking?
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:05 AM
Mar 2015

Choose wisely whom you would describe as barbarians

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
11. One can condemn both acts.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:17 AM
Mar 2015

Today, however, is the anniversary of the most murderous and brutal air raid ever that killed over 100,000 civilians in a single night.

If you had a shred of decency, you could simply condemn the act, show some remorse for the innocent victims and not be an ass.

hobbit709

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12. someone had a cow but didn't get far.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:32 AM
Mar 2015

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One can condemn both acts.
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betsuni

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16. The Rape of Nanking was committed by Japanese soldiers.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:46 AM
Mar 2015

Killing so many Japanese civilians was not proportional.

Lancero

(3,000 posts)
18. Committed by soldiers... Against civilians.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:03 AM
Mar 2015

Both actions were heinous, but it's hard to call one side out for immoral actions in war when the other side was the one who decided to undertake them first.

Basically? Pot, meet kettle. Japan didn't have a reguard for civilians, Japan chose to fight on lower standards - The US is guilty of following Japans example for sure, but to call them the 'real barbarians' for their actions is a bit odd when another side had just as little regard.

Still though, it's a bit hard to call the US the real barbarians, considering the actions that Japans allys took. Ah well, I guess not everyone sees death camps as barbaric.

 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
19. I think too many people really dont understand what war is
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:06 AM
Mar 2015

Tokyo wasn't retailiation for Nanking. It was part of a strategic campaign to force Japanese surrender.

betsuni

(25,349 posts)
22. I know it wasn't. I was referring to proportional as in the video
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:18 AM
Mar 2015

I posted above from "The Fog of War."

Lancero

(3,000 posts)
25. And what's what a lot of people who decry attacks like these don't care to look into.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:29 AM
Mar 2015

What people tend to ignore is the casualty numbers, on both sides, should a ground invasion took place.

It's not something people like to admit, but the deaths from the bombings are far less then estimates for deaths in a ground campaign. People hate to admit this, because that means that - GASP - these attacks had legitimate reasons.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
26. "civilization is no more than a veneer, through which barbarism is always about to extrude."
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:38 AM
Mar 2015

The human race is barbaric.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
17. The Cigar Who Brought the Fire Wind: Curtis LeMay and the Incendiary Bombing of Japan
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:50 AM
Mar 2015

A history on the brains behind firebombing:

http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Cigar_that_Brought_the_Fire_Wind.html?id=dUImHAAACAAJ

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, Gen. LeMay was insubordinate to President Kennedy and then talked about JFK behind his back.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1002&thread=1414805

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
28. It's only a war crime if the losing side does it.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 10:22 AM
Mar 2015

Dresden was just as bad.

Hell, people still praise General Sherman because of his "wage war on the citizens" tactics during the Civil War.

The lesson is not to get into a war unless you are sure you are going to win it.



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