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kwassa

(23,340 posts)
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 11:03 AM Mar 2015

Racist frat chant closes fraternity at Oklahoma University

Sigma Alpha Epsilon

“There will never be a n***** at SAE. You can hang him from a tree, but he’ll never sign with me. There will never be a n***** at SAE.”

Cheerfully sung on the bus.

video and article at this site:

http://jaybookman.blog.ajc.com/2015/03/09/out-of-oklahoma-fraternity-nine-seconds-of-racism-hatred/

It’s just nine seconds of video. Nine seconds of self-destruction. Nine seconds of hate and remarkable stupidity, dragging us back into some of the darkest days of our country’s history.

The video captures members of a University of Oklahoma fraternity, dressed in formal wear and accompanied by their dates, riding on a bus either to or from an event. They are singing to the tune of “If You’re Happy And You Know It”. They do seem happy; they do seem to know it. But the lyrics have been changed.

Some news accounts have referred vaguely to those revised lyrics as a “racist chant,” but that strips it of its chilling power.

................

Nine seconds, but it tells you a lot.

For example, it’s not one person chanting. It’s a collective action, expressing a group sentiment. And clearly, this wasn’t the first time the group had sung this song. It was familiar enough to those in attendance that they didn’t need to be taught the words. You have to wonder how many years, decades, even generations that song had been sung within SAE before it was exposed to the world.

Clearly, those leading and participating in the chant had no fear of social disapproval from their friends on the bus. To the contrary, the power of social conformity was being put to quite another use. The chant was reinforcing a social norm within SAE, putting every member on notice about what was acceptable to its members, and what was not

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Racist frat chant closes fraternity at Oklahoma University (Original Post) kwassa Mar 2015 OP
Shut them down permanently and expel the ringleaders. MineralMan Mar 2015 #1
yet another example of post racial America? guillaumeb Mar 2015 #2
When will the confederates get over their loss of the civil war? Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #20
perhaps they do not know it is over guillaumeb Mar 2015 #21
Frats. Ugh. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #3
Frats seem to encourage a mob mentality The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #4
I think you're right. johnp3907 Mar 2015 #10
I like the t-shirt! The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #13
The U President threatens to investigate (and shut down if true)... the National Frat shuts it down salin Mar 2015 #5
Isolation from other cultures does this BumRushDaShow Mar 2015 #6
Oklahoma also has such a history of lynchings and race riots ... kwassa Mar 2015 #7
President Boren has shut them down and kicked their butts out. Good man. link Hekate Mar 2015 #8
OU is looking into expulsion for the students involved. n/t tammywammy Mar 2015 #12
I hope the names of those involved cwydro Mar 2015 #9
CNN just posted a second video. edbermac Mar 2015 #11
I hope his name is plastered cwydro Mar 2015 #14
He looks like Tucker Carlson. Skidmore Mar 2015 #16
I thought so too! cwydro Mar 2015 #19
The Club. moondust Mar 2015 #15
Good riddance to nasty bigots. a la izquierda Mar 2015 #17
Members of that fraternity had another racist incident about 20 years ago fishwax Mar 2015 #18

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. yet another example of post racial America?
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 11:12 AM
Mar 2015

When will Americans get over their civil war? It ended over 150 years ago.

At a certain point people have to realize that the slave-owning side lost the war. At least that is what the history I read claimed.

Will you ever get over it?

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
20. When will the confederates get over their loss of the civil war?
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 06:03 PM
Mar 2015

It's time for these bigoted miscreants to get over it and grow up.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,587 posts)
4. Frats seem to encourage a mob mentality
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 11:17 AM
Mar 2015

that can turn ugly in a hurry. Shut the chapter down, but what are the other frats doing? That can't be a one-off kind of incident.

johnp3907

(3,730 posts)
10. I think you're right.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 01:39 PM
Mar 2015

They must've felt like this was a relatively safe thing to do. And of course it's only 9 seconds of video. What happens that doesn't get recorded or gets recorded but we don't see?


By the way, I just noticed your sig line. My wife gave me this shirt for xmas:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/82715426/cat-and-guitar-t-shirt-two-means-of?ref=listing-shop-header-1

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,587 posts)
13. I like the t-shirt!
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 01:59 PM
Mar 2015

As to the frats, the mob mentality takes over (maybe more among young men than other groups but I don't know if that's always true) when guys see their buddies doing something they might not consider doing on their own; but seeing others do it validates the act. Then they kind of feed on each other and if nobody says or does anything to stop it, they just keep going.

salin

(48,955 posts)
5. The U President threatens to investigate (and shut down if true)... the National Frat shuts it down
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 11:30 AM
Mar 2015

according to TPM. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sigma-alpha-epsilon-oklahoma-racist-video

But - according to rw media and some GOPers.... Obama is the root cause of racial division in this country. Perhaps, just not in the way that the rw media and GOPers imply/suggest.

These kids are gross. Not just a racist chant - but one that invokes the horrific violence of lynching.

BumRushDaShow

(128,452 posts)
6. Isolation from other cultures does this
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 11:31 AM
Mar 2015

It's an age old, multi-generational problem. And the irony is that in this era of mass communications, the internet, and "social media". with an incredible ability to reach across the nation and the world to interact with others "instantly" and real-time, using either or both audio and video (I know a large number of DUers probably remember the days of having "Pen Pals" from overseas and corresponding with them via "air mail&quot , it is a testament to how despite the available technology, people still often drift towards "self-imposed" isolation. It's definitely a human trait and is probably something that will never be completely eradicated. All you can do is mitigate it if it has a negative impact on the whole of a society.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
7. Oklahoma also has such a history of lynchings and race riots ...
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 12:50 PM
Mar 2015

The huge race riot in Tulsa that destroyed most of the black community in 1921.

The lynchings throughout it's history.

moondust

(19,958 posts)
15. The Club.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 02:09 PM
Mar 2015

Among them probably some well-connected executives and oligarchs of the not-too-distant future. You know, the good guys who deserve to become rich and powerful, lording over the lazy moochers.

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
18. Members of that fraternity had another racist incident about 20 years ago
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 03:53 PM
Mar 2015

During Native American Heritage week they stole a teepee that had been erected on campus and tried to set it up in front of a sorority house. I think it was 1996 or so.

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