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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 11:09 AM Mar 2015

Secede? ‘Republic’ Claims Texas Never Joined U.S.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/us/secede-republic-claims-texas-never-joined-us.html?_r=0

HOUSTON — The Republic of Texas is unlike any other volunteer, nonprofit organization in what used to be the Republic of Texas.

Its monthly meetings are called joint sessions of congress. Members have minted their own silver and gold currency and carry ID cards warning police officers they are diplomatic representatives of the nation of Texas. Its vice president, a retired telephone company worker, sent a letter in 2011 to the governor of Oklahoma, informing her that she faced indictment because her state’s counties and territories were “trespassing inside the geographical boundaries” of its nation.

Such letters have failed to convince the authorities of the group’s novel belief — that Texas never legally became part of the United States and remains a separate nation. As a result of that belief, the group claims it had a duty to form a government, with a state department and with a court system run in part by a chiropractor in the Houston suburb of Katy.

Members say their government is neither a mock system nor a prank, but a legitimate authority with executive, legislative and judicial branches. They spend their time sitting through eight-hour congressional meetings and debating legislation. (The letter to Oklahoma officials refers to Senate Bill No.1102-1201.) Still, officials who receive one of the group’s many letters typically “just throw it in the trash can,” acknowledged the Republic’s president, John Jarnecke, 72.


Amazing.
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Secede? ‘Republic’ Claims Texas Never Joined U.S. (Original Post) steve2470 Mar 2015 OP
if they secede can they take Oklahoma with them? guillaumeb Mar 2015 #1
Here's another upside meow2u3 Mar 2015 #9
great observation and in that spirit, guillaumeb Mar 2015 #17
If you want states to secede so much former9thward Mar 2015 #21
What state are you in? panader0 Mar 2015 #23
Illinois guillaumeb Mar 2015 #28
I'm an Arizonan. Yeah, Arizona has some idiots in office. So does Illinois. panader0 Mar 2015 #33
I am glad you did not mention our 3 governors guillaumeb Mar 2015 #39
I've heard that Tx only remains connected to the US because OK's HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #11
get up Jim Inhofe! guillaumeb Mar 2015 #18
We're not going anywhere with Texass. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #32
SCOTUS Ruled Long Ago that Texas Can Not Secede Stallion Mar 2015 #2
I wonder if they'll get the court to revisit the case Wella Mar 2015 #8
The reintegration after the late unpleasantness between the states HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #10
Had to read that twice. :D Wella Mar 2015 #13
ANOTHER lousy decision - LiberalElite Mar 2015 #34
I like it. rickford66 Mar 2015 #3
and we'll have to have a war for their oil nt LiberalElite Mar 2015 #35
They'll never secede unless they join Mexico. That's why they entered the Union to begin with. freshwest Mar 2015 #41
I would love to see them secede Politicalboi Mar 2015 #4
Think about all those guards we'd need in NM, OK, AR and LA HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #19
Good deal, let's delete those electoral votes. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #5
I was actually wondering what country Louis Ghomert and Rick Perry were from. world wide wally Mar 2015 #6
K&R! countryjake Mar 2015 #7
that'll really kick onethatcares Mar 2015 #12
So in other words, it's just a bunch of kids playing "grownup".... Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #14
Good. We'll take back all military bases, NASA and any other gov't installations. Kingofalldems Mar 2015 #15
over 6500 page views already ?! steve2470 Mar 2015 #16
I found it dormant back on the third page... countryjake Mar 2015 #22
you're probably right about that nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #25
Buh bye. n/t tavernier Mar 2015 #20
If these idiots realized that they would lose all federal funding, social security, contracts, etc, panader0 Mar 2015 #24
Now Entering Schmuckistan. n/t Scootaloo Mar 2015 #26
No U. S. federal level voting, no senators, no house reps, no medicare or soc sec oldandhappy Mar 2015 #27
This is a splinter group. Since they do not want to be in the US let's Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #29
Works for me. Laffy Kat Mar 2015 #30
Haven't these guys been at it since the early 90s? NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author GummyBearz Mar 2015 #37
Texas isn't part of the USA? Takket Mar 2015 #36
This reminds me of something I heard a while back about Texas, which I think applies... GummyBearz Mar 2015 #38
I thought the "Republic of Texas" group died out 20 years ago... brooklynite Mar 2015 #40
I'll just let Keith Olbermann take this one: Brigid Mar 2015 #42

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. if they secede can they take Oklahoma with them?
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 11:18 AM
Mar 2015

The upside of secession:

1) The average IQ in the US would probably rise by a few points.
2) The Us would have two fewer welfare-queen states that take in far more in federal tax revenue than they provide.
3) Rick Perry, Louie Gohmert, and Ted Cruz would be regional politicians from another country.
4) I am certain there are other good reasons to let them go

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
9. Here's another upside
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 04:53 PM
Mar 2015

The balance of Congressional power may well go back to the Democrats, especially if Texas takes Oklahoma with it.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
33. I'm an Arizonan. Yeah, Arizona has some idiots in office. So does Illinois.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:11 PM
Mar 2015

Texas , despite the jokes, has many great Democrats. Arizona has Raul Grijalva: from Wiki:

Grijalva co-chairs the Congressional Progressive Caucus with Keith Ellison of Minnesota[7][8] and in 2008 was among 12 members rated by National Journal as tied for most liberal overall.[9] On the ideological map of all House members at GovTrack's website, Grijalva is ranked farthest to the left.[10] Liberal and progressive activist groups routinely give him high marks for his voting record. Grijalva received a 100 percent score from Americans for Democratic Action, Peace Action, the League of Conservation Voters, the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, NARAL Pro-Choice America, Arab American Institute, and several other notable groups in recent years.[11] With the start of the 114th Congress, Grijalva became the Ranking Member of the House Committee on Natural Resources.

So, I say, as I have said here before, NO STATE BASHING. All states have at least a few idiots, and all have many true progressive Democrats. Don't get me started on Illinois (kidding).

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
39. I am glad you did not mention our 3 governors
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:16 PM
Mar 2015

We actually have a dedicated "Governor's cell" at Marion Penitentiary.

My post was a joke except for the part about Texas being a "welfare queen" among states.

As far as it goes, Texas is so gerrymandered that if the Congressional Districts had been drawn by an independent commission Texas would probably be nearly blue at this point. Goes to show how important it is to vote in ALL elections, not just Presidential ones.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
32. We're not going anywhere with Texass.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:30 PM
Mar 2015

Politics aside we're just not compatible. I don't think we should have even allowed Texass into the Big 12.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
8. I wonder if they'll get the court to revisit the case
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 04:49 PM
Mar 2015

I have always heard that Texas was in the US by treaty and that they could end the treaty if they wished.

And, I think you mean "legally secede." Any state could illegally secede if it were willing to fight Washington.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
10. The reintegration after the late unpleasantness between the states
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 04:56 PM
Mar 2015

appears to have legally superceded original terms

rickford66

(5,523 posts)
3. I like it.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 11:35 AM
Mar 2015

The only problem I see is that we will probably have to send them foreign aid. Can't have a failed state as our neighbor.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
4. I would love to see them secede
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 11:51 AM
Mar 2015

Then we can watch as Mexico takes back it's land with no Army to protect them, they would have to surrender.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
19. Think about all those guards we'd need in NM, OK, AR and LA
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:28 PM
Mar 2015

to keep out the refugees...they could include infiltrating religious fanatics! That look just like US! People who would corrupt our Churches and OMG!! Marry our SISTERS! AND GRANDMOTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
6. I was actually wondering what country Louis Ghomert and Rick Perry were from.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 11:56 AM
Mar 2015

You can tell it's not America.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
22. I found it dormant back on the third page...
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:43 PM
Mar 2015

and I thought the number of views was pretty odd, too.

Only thing I can think of is that maybe your thread has drawn the attention of a bunch of freepers or lurkers from some other conservative site.

tavernier

(12,376 posts)
20. Buh bye. n/t
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:31 PM
Mar 2015

Almost forgot...

Hugs to the fine people of Texas who still retain a sense of humor following the weed infestation of certain Bushes.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
24. If these idiots realized that they would lose all federal funding, social security, contracts, etc,
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:57 PM
Mar 2015

they would flip. Ignorance is rampant....

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
27. No U. S. federal level voting, no senators, no house reps, no medicare or soc sec
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 06:12 PM
Mar 2015

for anyone living in the non-state of Texas including a retired president, no candidates for U. S. national office. Just yourselves!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
29. This is a splinter group. Since they do not want to be in the US let's
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 06:47 PM
Mar 2015

Allow them to exit themselves and they will not have citizenship then we can deport them.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
31. Haven't these guys been at it since the early 90s?
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:28 PM
Mar 2015

I seem to remember something about them right around the time of the Ruby Ridge incident.

Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #31)

Takket

(21,555 posts)
36. Texas isn't part of the USA?
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:41 PM
Mar 2015

Did anyone tell Al Gore that when they were counting electoral votes in 2000? Could have saved us a terrorist attack and several wars...

brooklynite

(94,499 posts)
40. I thought the "Republic of Texas" group died out 20 years ago...
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:22 PM
Mar 2015

FWIW - If you want to have some fun, show up at their next meeting, and announce that you're the new President. What basis do they have to challenge your claim?

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