Why this obsession about emails?

[pnwmom]

No one expects to have a transcript of every personal phone call a Secretary of State makes. Or even a transcript of every work-related phone call.

If a person has something to hide, the obvious answer is to use a phone call, not an email. Like Condi Rice did. She never used emails at all, so the political world never felt entitled to them. Smart woman.

This would all be much ado about nothing, except that we're falling for it.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

1. I disaree, I am far more concerned about her deleting emails

about tanning salon specials than I am electing a TeaParTY person who will start a nuclear war and kill all life on the planet

Come on, get your priorities straight

[pnwmom]

4. LOL

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

7. See how I did that

I made sure to stop at "emails" in the subject line to get more attention

I will hold ANYONE who prevents the Democratic Nominee from winning the WH, no matter who it is, responsible for the death that will ensue if a rightwing moron is elected or allowed to get close enough to steal.

[leftofcool]

25. How did Hillary know about the tanning salon special and when did she know it.

Did she slip some Ben Gawzi papers to someone while she was tanning?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

27. Kid all you want, but one of those emails was for 20% off Starbucks, you have ANY idea

how valuable that is

I am actually not kidding

[NYC_SKP]

67. Maybe you and she can write a comedy after she doesn't get elected.

But, seriously, get a GOOD TEAM OF LAWYERS before entering into a contract.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

69. All this angst over a woman president

[NYC_SKP]

71. Elizabeth Warren is a woman, ya know.

It's not about chromosomes.

It's about integrity.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

72. Good, so if Liz doesnt run...when she tells you who she is voting for, I assume

you will do the same?

Otherwise, your agenda is clear to me.

[NYC_SKP]

73. "Otherwise, your agenda is clear to me." And what agenda might that be?

The agenda to make sure front runners are fully vetted before we go into the general election?

The agenda to make sure voters are offered real choices and not the choices of pollsters and media powers?

[Sheepshank]

2. it's all they have...they MUST make a freaking big deal about it

and it would appear that there are plenty of DU'ers to help 'em out.

[Rex]

5. We? You mean you and other people?

Fall for what? She kept email on her on private server and that will cause problems with the GOP. They are desperate to come up with anything and so you know the email issue will be there forever and a day.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

10. If it only mattered to the GOP then the story will have no political value

But sadly the MSM loves it and many so called independents and libertarians will use it to clobber her over the head with

[Rex]

16. Oh sorry, yeah when I mention the GOP it includes the M$M since most of the media

works for the same paymasters as the GOP. To me, they are one and the same.

[Major Hogwash]

46. Don't worry about it, this will blow over.

By 2020.

[Rex]

48. LOL!

No way! By then they will need to bring it back because, once again, they will have no one to run against HRC in her second term.

[BubbaFett]

6. Well you can't expect any great morals

from someone who voted for the Iraq War Crime.

[pnwmom]

9. You're inadvertently nailed it. This is all about Hillary hate,

whether it's from the left or the right.

[BubbaFett]

15. some things are worthy of hatred

I will continue to harp on her Iraq War Atrocity vote because she sacrificed her principles for political expediency. That alone should disqualify her from public life. She should be ashamed and kept awake at night from all the souls she did her part in destroying.

[pnwmom]

22. Ted Kennedy opposed the war, but he explained why he didn't blame those

like Hillary who voted yes on the Iraq war resolution.

He said that as a member of the Armed Services Committee, he had access to confidential military information that made him aware that, in their presentations to Congress and to the public, Colin Powell and the rest of the Administration were distorting the truth about WMD's.

Ted Kennedy was forbidden from sharing that information. So he didn't blame the other members of the Senate, like Hillary, who trusted that Powell and the rest of the Bush government were telling the truth.

Our democracy is based on good faith, but the Bushies didn't deserve it.

[leftofcool]

28. I bet you think Biden should be ashamed too?

[BubbaFett]

61. ANYONE WHO VOTED FOR IT

What is there not to get?

[Rex]

17. LOL! So some MUST HATE HRC, because they don't like the fact she voted for the IWR?

You folks that run around using that word all the time, don't really seem to understand what it means.

[pnwmom]

23. The person just acknowledged it. n/t

[Rex]

26. Great now you have a name to add to your purge list.

So there is number one. Seriously, you folks use that word too much.

[NYC_SKP]

74. There's a LIST???

Damn! I had better be on it!

[Rex]

18. HATER!

[HappyMe]

8. How many more OPs will you do on this?

[pnwmom]

11. How many more will you respond to?

[HappyMe]

14. None.

Yours are in the trash can, as are several other Hillary!!1 threads.

[randome]

36. You must not be as happy as your username indicates today.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[HappyMe]

42. Sure.

Out of sight, out of mind. I have Clinton fatigue.

I have pumpkin bars ready to come out of the oven and shrimp and veggie stir fry on deck.

[DeSwiss]

13. Paper letters (old fashioned) = Electronic emails (new fangled)

- It's a new day.


But only for some of us apparently.......

[2naSalit]

19. It's all they have to use as a

cudgel to flog her with.

[DeSwiss]

40. The hell you say, there's plenty.

- This one's in a class by itself......

[center]''We came, we saw, he died.''[/center]

[Maeve]

20. Because it's what they have

if all you have is whiffle-balls, you have to make the most of them. (Hmmm....now I have this picture of Mr Moose dropping ping-pong balls on Captain Kangaroo)

[DeSwiss]

41. Sure, it's only a crime when Repukes do it.....

[stevenleser]

49. No, it wasn't a crime when they did it either. It was part of the coverup. Absent an underlying

crime, the email issue isnt an issue. The only alleged crime during Hillary's tenure at State was Benghazi.

You know, the 8, 9, 10...50 times investigated Benghazi. Are you asserting that is a real issue and needs investigation?

Absent that, there is no issue.

[Major Hogwash]

50. Steve, she admitted today that she deleted 10s of 1000s of emails.

I don't know how many conspiracy theories you can weave together with that many missing emails, but I am sure the Republicans will be able to come up with newer, bigger, more sinister ones every week for the next year and a half.

[stevenleser]

52. No. She said she deleted personal emails. Sorry, that's an important qualifier you left out.

And absent an accusation of wrongdoing that she supposedly deleted emails to cover-up, there is still nothing.

At the end of the day, she was Secretary of State. She wasn't Secretary of Defense or the National Security Adviser or head of the NSA or CIA, etc.

There is very little to which she could have been party that could be any sort of major crime. What conspiracy are you going to assert? That they tried too hard to improve relations with Liechtenstein?

[Major Hogwash]

54. That's a distinction without a difference!

That's what she said!
What she called personal emails may not be personal emails at all!!!
You have no clue of the coming shitstorm if she runs.

[stevenleser]

56. It's a distinction that makes a ton of difference. Any anyone but rabid Hillary detractors sees that

[Major Hogwash]

58. In this environment, in this digital age, all of her excuses will be woven into . . .

. . conspiracies that cannot be disproven easily.
Her detractors won't even have to be rabid.

[seabeyond]

21. i have not been following. she is in trouble cause they were not secure. yet, in trouble cause she

isnt sharing.

meh...

[Rex]

29. This won't have any effect on her run for POTUS. IMO.

And I am beginning to think there won't even be a primary.

[seabeyond]

35. so much so, i never bothered to get into the controversy, lol. and the other? i am just waiting...

to see what happens. who knows.

[MaggieD]

24. Meh, I don't think normal people are falling for it

Just the RWNJs that would never vote for a democratic candidate anyway. So what? Another ginned up faux scandal by the right.

[Rex]

30. They've lied too much! People are sick of hearing WOLF!!

The GOP has lied so much, I think it broke any trust they might have had with normal people.

[MaggieD]

32. I agree -- they kind of used up their alloted outrage

It's hard for most people to take them seriously anymore. Especially after the idiocy of #47traitors.

[Rex]

33. If (during Reagan era) WE as a party would have stood up to the GOP's constant criminal activity

I think America would be so different right now. We as a nation now just expect the GOP to commit fraud and other crimes and just go about our business. "Oh look the GOP just had a body of senators that committed treason" said just like it was the common cold.


I don't know how to change it, but we MUST STOP letting these treasonous bastards get away with violating the U.S. Constitution! How much is finally enough!?

[DeSwiss]

43. Normal = Sheeple

This is EXACTLY why our political system has turned into the corrupt swamp that it has. From time immemorial we've stood back and watched these people lie, cheat, steal -- rinse and repeat. Hell it takes a constitutional crisis like Watergate before people will even wake the fuck up!

- We deserve whatever we get from this shit. Because if we don't have any principles, why should they?

I don't blame the politician, I blame the clowns who let them get away with it and think they're being pragmatic and sophisticated in doing so......

[Bobbie Jo]

34. Because, Hillary. nt

[spanone]

37. it's about Hillary. they hate her nearly as much as Obama.

this will be the first of many many many things

[DeSwiss]

44. I hate this corrupt system.

- And all those who support it.


Things must be easy to figure out in a black and white world -- for the simple-minded......

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. The public/private or corporate/private distinction is absolutely meaningless.

What you say?

If someone wants to hide something they would just use their private e-mail address in the first place. Actually they wouldn't use e-mail at all and leave an electronic paper trail.

[Orsino]

39. Because a Clinton is involved; the one Clinton who threatens GOP dominance of government.

That's the reason for the obsession part, anyway.

[DeSwiss]

45. My only ''obsession''.....

...is with ridding the country of corrupt politicians and the corrupt corporate state that controls them. It's just too bad that we don't have a majority of Americans who want a clean government that represents them.

- I'm glad you're happy with the way things are. Hills will not disappoint you......

[Orsino]

62. I am far from being happy with the way things are, which Clinton embodies.

I'm just not obsessed with the e-mail "scandal." My problems with our nominee-apparent are much bigger.

[B Calm]

47. OMG, Hillary had a private e-mail address. Much ado about nothing!

[TheKentuckian]

51. It is your position that public officials should possess, control, and act as gatekeeper

of their public records?

This is very new as the Democratic position on public accountability.

I guess one way is to make all of that under independent government control and possession.

Another is to just delete everything and give the people the bird as our glorious leaders do not answer to any fucking "small people".

Then I guess there is a turd...ahem...um...third which would be to trust our glorious leaders to parse out what they deem to be public record and keep or trash the rest as they see fit which gives more of the vibe of the first while maintaining the privilege of the second if one so chooses but since we only choose good eggs there will be no problems as long as we make sure our good eggs are in those positions, trust us.

[B Calm]

53. LOL you are hilarious. You pushing the Benghazi scandal too?

[stevenleser]

55. It wouldn't surprise me. I've already seen one Hillary detractor do that here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6309618

[B Calm]

57. Same poster responded to one of my posts yesterday and I swear it's a copy and paste response.

Like a robot poster!

[TheKentuckian]

60. A non response to my question. I can be direct with yours though...Nope.

In fact it seems inherently dishonest to compare this with a "scandal" that not even the fiercest pusher could actually articulate.

Even the phony Vince Foster murder was an actual accusation no matter how stupid and absurd while Bengazi seems to largely consist of saying the name and saying you have questions about it and want know exactly what is going on and what is being covered up.

What exactly is your issue with my questions and positions on official accountability? Nothing, I suspect so you went to a silly ass lash out, minimize, and deflect response.

[pnwmom]

64. We have a better law now. But Hillary followed the law that existed when she was SoS.

We shouldn't expect her to follow any law retroactively.

[TheKentuckian]

65. We shouldn't expect legal consequences for not following the law that is a separate matter than

the seal of approval for the practices. At no time during her tenure would this jibe with efforts that led to the better law.

This is not any sort of good example on how we wish to move forward is it? This is not leadership in transparency but riding the old guard out till it was blocked by law.

There is a difference between what is right and what is legal, sometimes it is a huge gulf. My issue is the former and I don't think there is any reasonable argument that what was done was the right thing to do.

It may have been the existing order, it may have been much more convenient, it may have been more reassuring, it might even have been more secure but clearly this kind of handling was frowned upon before even assuming office and something we argued so directly against that something was actually even done about it.

How can one support and believe in the necessity of improving the laws yet pretend damn near the exact opposite is a best, good, or even acceptable practice?

I don't get the protests on people saying this is not how we should be handling business on this at all other than uncut partisan hypocrisy or technocratic amorality.

[NM_Birder]

75. OMG ........ its the server not an e-mail address,

i suppose you are just fine with every GOP senator from now on, capturing thier government business on private servers at home, and we'll all just take his/her word that there is nothing going on behind the scenes. I'm sure THEY won't keep anything secret from the people ?

those are the rules you agree with. Damn near every House and Senate member are millionaires, easily able to afford private servers at home, lets all just trust the government to conduct business off the grid and take thier word for everything.

It's possible that you, like Hillary don't understand what the freedom of information act is all about. if you have a private server capturing your documentation, there is no freedom of information act controls, it's just "her" word.


the e-mail is not the issue, the private server is.

[betsuni]

59. They have OCD -- Obsessive Clinton Disorder

What do they think is in these emails? Do they think it's like "Scandal" and "House of Cards" where characters talk on their phone without apparently worrying about being under surveillance and say things like, "Hey, remember the time I helped throw the election" or "Well, I had to kill that guy" and "Oops, I did it again, slept with the President." Ridiculous.

[Bettie]

63. Personally, not a big fan of Hillary

but, this email thing is just ridiculous.

If John Kerry is the first Sec. of State to use State Dept. email, why is this even an issue? It seems to be standard practice.

I have issues with some of Clinton's stances, I am fine with others, but the one thing I've never thought is that she's a stupid person.

This is another fake scandal which, in the end, will not affect a whole lot.

From what I've seen, it is mostly people who truly dislike her who are buying into it as a huge scandal.

[John Poet]

66. It's about their emails

It's sort of like the Republican's obsession with other peoples sex lives,
only with us, it's with their emails...

[treestar]

68. Couldn't agree more

It's absurd.

[NCTraveler]

70. Gowdy has a very passionate fan club.

Look how far he got them to go on his Benghazi shit. That is all you need to know about the emails. His fan club isn't very bright.