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deminks

(11,014 posts)
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:10 AM Mar 2015

Robert Durst, Subject of HBO Documentary on Unsolved Killings, Is Arrested

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/16/nyregion/robert-durst-subject-of-hbo-documentary-on-unsolved-killings-is-arrested.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=0

Robert A. Durst, the scion of a New York real estate family, was arrested on Saturday in New Orleans on a warrant from Los Angeles County, according to the police.

For years, questions have swirled around Mr. Durst about the unsolved killing of a close friend and confidante in Los Angeles 15 years ago, and about his first wife’s disappearance in 1982 and the shooting and dismemberment of a Texas neighbor in 2001.

HBO has been airing a documentary about Mr. Durst, and the final episode is scheduled to be shown Sunday night.

The details of the warrant were not released on Sunday morning. A spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said the warrant was issued by the Los Angeles Police Department. Officials did not immediately return calls for comment.

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Robert Durst, Subject of HBO Documentary on Unsolved Killings, Is Arrested (Original Post) deminks Mar 2015 OP
Wasn't he caught the first time after stealing a sandwich malaise Mar 2015 #1
Yes, and just last summer he frogmarch Mar 2015 #31
Wow. I'm wondering if he's setting himself up for an insanity plea? bettyellen Mar 2015 #38
I wondered that too. Of course, he frogmarch Mar 2015 #39
Yep. He had rea$on$! Possibly just an extreme example of the poor impulse control he seems to have bettyellen Mar 2015 #41
That boy ain't right. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #2
Thank God... PCIntern Mar 2015 #3
Apparently, if you convince enough people that you're a "jinx", eventually... Cooley Hurd Mar 2015 #6
or Zimmerman... PCIntern Mar 2015 #8
In the last episode on HBO they presented new evidence that indicated Durst was linked to the PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #4
He better not get away with it again montanacowboy Mar 2015 #5
I thought the most telling part was when PCIntern Mar 2015 #7
His wife NEVER returned to NY the night she went missing montanacowboy Mar 2015 #9
It's amazing PCIntern Mar 2015 #12
yeah, that almost knocked me out cold, too NJCher Mar 2015 #27
I noticed those shark eyes as well. zappaman Mar 2015 #11
Ugly all the way through. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #21
good Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #10
If EVER there was an example of money talking, that mass murderer is that example. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #13
Has anyone here watched The Jinx? lovemydog Mar 2015 #14
It's a 6-part documentary, the final episode aired tonight. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #24
and I'm pretty sure it will be shown on regular tv with commercials NJCher Mar 2015 #28
I've been watching The Jinx on HBO. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #15
I was just reading more about The Jinx. lovemydog Mar 2015 #16
It's mesmerizing... PCIntern Mar 2015 #17
I'll have to look up those docs. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #18
Both of the Paradise Lost docs are outstanding. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #19
Yes, the West Memphis Three. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #20
I never thought those kids were guilty. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #22
An Alford plea is only technically a guilty plea missingthebigdog Mar 2015 #26
He got away with the Texas murder because of the castle doctrine plus claiming bettyellen Mar 2015 #23
Wow, he contacted the filmmakers himself. lovemydog Mar 2015 #32
Well, the guy was in his apartment, sorry not self defense- bettyellen Mar 2015 #37
Oh, I see. lovemydog Mar 2015 #42
Yep, watch who you visit in Tx or Fl!! And have a good night! bettyellen Mar 2015 #43
why he did the documentary NJCher Mar 2015 #29
Ah, that explanation on why he contacted the filmmakers lovemydog Mar 2015 #33
his brother NJCher Mar 2015 #34
Oh thanks NJCher. lovemydog Mar 2015 #35
This guy could be the central character in a Stephen King novel... Princess Turandot Mar 2015 #25
You have my interest. Setting my reciever to record the series. B Calm Mar 2015 #30
Can I stream the entire documentary? lovemydog Mar 2015 #36
Just finished watching the series. The last 5 minutes are great television. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #40
I disagree. Oklahoma_Liberal Mar 2015 #45
People who know about him well: wheniwasincongress Mar 2015 #44

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
31. Yes, and just last summer he
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 07:27 AM
Mar 2015

went into a drugstore, exposed himself and peed on a rack of candy. Then he calmly walked out of the store and nonchalantly strolled away, down the sidewalk. He later turned himself in to the police, but I didn't hear anything more about it except that he was awaiting trial for criminal mischief.

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
39. I wondered that too. Of course, he
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 06:41 PM
Mar 2015

probably really is, but he knew what he was doing when he murdered those people.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
41. Yep. He had rea$on$! Possibly just an extreme example of the poor impulse control he seems to have
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 06:48 PM
Mar 2015

had his entire life. What a piece of work.
I hope her family ruins him in a civil suit. Fuck him!

PCIntern

(25,489 posts)
3. Thank God...
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:16 AM
Mar 2015

Last edited Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:53 AM - Edit history (1)

the documentary is absolutely frightening.

Just watched 3 parts very early this A.M., have watched a total of 5, and was wondering what was going to happen with the L.A. case…fast answer.

You almost couldn't script this as it is because it would be rejected as impossible to believe that this guy could get away with this for as long as he has.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
6. Apparently, if you convince enough people that you're a "jinx", eventually...
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:50 AM
Mar 2015

...enough people believe it. Kinda like that Drew Peterson - sociopathic, ex-cop (but, I repeat myself) scum.

PCIntern

(25,489 posts)
8. or Zimmerman...
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:56 AM
Mar 2015

he reminds me of the old MAD Magazine parody of The Rifleman: Peaceloving guy who has to kill so many people that he's stacking bodies for half the episode. Funny show, horrifying reality.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
4. In the last episode on HBO they presented new evidence that indicated Durst was linked to the
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:17 AM
Mar 2015

killing in California.

montanacowboy

(6,080 posts)
5. He better not get away with it again
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:46 AM
Mar 2015

This snake has murdered three people and is an arrogant prick with cold black eyes. Entitled 1 percenter; the HBO doc is excellent and shows his absolute disdain for anything not Park Avenue. Law enforcement bent over backward NOT to investigate this family of billionaires when his wife went missing. I hope this bastard finally gets what is coming to him. I vote for the death penalty.

PCIntern

(25,489 posts)
7. I thought the most telling part was when
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:54 AM
Mar 2015

it came to light that no one in law enforcement had questioned the Durst family.

montanacowboy

(6,080 posts)
9. His wife NEVER returned to NY the night she went missing
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 12:03 PM
Mar 2015

The doorman at their condo said as much, but the police said she was seen returning - she never got on the train, she was already dead. Family owns half of Manhattan real estate.

PCIntern

(25,489 posts)
12. It's amazing
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:42 PM
Mar 2015

that the perp got to create a myth which was perpetuated by law enforcement and the media. Imagine if some poor slob tried that crap: my wife got on a train and went home. Someone saw her. Case closed. NOT!

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
11. I noticed those shark eyes as well.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:11 PM
Mar 2015

But he apparently wears some sort of contacts that make cause the eyes to look like that and the weird blinking.
But the dude is a sociopath for sure...

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
13. If EVER there was an example of money talking, that mass murderer is that example.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:49 PM
Mar 2015

I saw a documentary on him a couple of months ago and could not believe that he got away with MULTIPLE murders, any one of which with the same evidence, would have put someone who didn't have his money, away for a long time.

He is clearly crazy and a threat to society from what I saw.

Maybe they will finally get him for the murder of that beautiful young woman and the cover up murders he got away with also.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
14. Has anyone here watched The Jinx?
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:22 PM
Mar 2015

I'm fascinated with this case, but don't get HBO.

How are they presenting it? The article says it's a documentary, but it's appearing in episodes?

I'm also wondering how it might be available for streaming.

Glad he's been arrested on charges of first degree murder, and being held without bail.

NJCher

(35,620 posts)
28. and I'm pretty sure it will be shown on regular tv with commercials
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 05:47 AM
Mar 2015

as each episode is 45" long. That's about the actual content that you get on an hour-length show.


Cher

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
15. I've been watching The Jinx on HBO.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:38 PM
Mar 2015

Fascinating.

I remember when he was tried for murder in Galveston many years ago, and he allegedly chopped up his neighbor, and was acquitted. He paid Dick deGuerin $1.6 million for his defense. I don't know how much he paid Mike Ramsey. They are two of the best defense lawyers in Houston.

Last week's bombshell was a letter that Susan Berman's stepson had. The envelope was from Robert Durst
to Susan Berman, a few months before she died, from a single gunshot to the back of the head, in 2000. The handwriting on the envelope matched a note that the Beverly Hills police had gotten with her address and the word "cadaver", telling them to go to that address and find her dead body. The person that wrote the envelope and the note misspelled "Beverly" as "Beverley" both times.

Susan Berman was an old friend of Durst's. She had extracted $50,000 from him to live on. People have speculated in the show that he might have killed her so that she didn't spill his secrets.

Apparently the Los Angeles police took note of that show and the envelope and note and decided to arrest him.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
16. I was just reading more about The Jinx.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:49 PM
Mar 2015

Looks really fascinating. Directed by guy who directed Capturing the Friedman's, another amazing documentary.

I wonder why this guy Robert Durst would agree to 20 hours of interviews with the director?Maybe hubris. Or maybe attempting to deceive in the hopes of keeping people off his trail?
Or maybe when the producers approach him they tell him look we're gonna do something showing you committed these murders any way. You should tell your side of the story. Probably a combination of all three.

Another thing I read, from NY Times article reviewing the doc. This guy admitted to killing & chopping up the body of a neighbor, and was acquitted by a jury. Whoa! Like how the heck did he get an acquittal? Now I'm completely hooked, & look forward to watching this entire series. It looks riveting.

Also really intriguing how a documentary can lead toward justice. Much like the Thin Blue Line led to acquittal and I think a conviction of another man, or how the Paradise Lost docs led to reversals & releases. Only in this case it looks like this doc may lead to this Durst creep going to prison, perhaps for the rest of his life. Documentaries can provide so much great investigative journalism.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
18. I'll have to look up those docs.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:58 PM
Mar 2015

Haven't seen them. That's good that investigations were commenced because of those movies.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
20. Yes, the West Memphis Three.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:49 PM
Mar 2015

I read about Damien Echols in a Buddhist magazine. He became a Buddhist and it was very interesting.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
22. I never thought those kids were guilty.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:37 PM
Mar 2015

I'm glad they were released, but I think it's pretty crappy that they had to say they were guilty in order to get out. Arkansas too embarrassed to admit that they totally screwed up the case, I guess. Plus, they must not have wanted to compensate them for all the lost years.

missingthebigdog

(1,233 posts)
26. An Alford plea is only technically a guilty plea
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:34 AM
Mar 2015

Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin, and Jessie Miskelley entered Alford pleas. An Alford plea is a plea of innocence, with an acknowledgement that the prosecutor could likely get a conviction.

It does deprive them of compensation, but I think it is widely known that Arkansas screwed it up. Their release is evidence of that.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
23. He got away with the Texas murder because of the castle doctrine plus claiming
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:37 PM
Mar 2015

Self defense. They believe the reason he went back and got the head he'd disposed of was because he'd actually shot him in the back of his head.
There is speculation that both his neighbor and old friend Susan were killed was because they knew too much and we're trying to extort money.
He actually contacted the filmmaker and suggested the interviews himself. Amazing ego, huh?

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
32. Wow, he contacted the filmmakers himself.
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 03:54 PM
Mar 2015

Yeah, quite an ego.

Regarding the self-defense strategy, I'd be interested in hearing how he convinced the jury that the killing was justified. I haven't seen the documentary yet. I imagine they get into that in detail.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
37. Well, the guy was in his apartment, sorry not self defense-
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 06:34 PM
Mar 2015

but a scuffle and accidental shooting. But they were saying since its Texas he could have gotten away with anything.
The weird thing is that he did get convicted of cutting up the body, but it's a much lesser crime and short sentence.
I think he was so paranoid and cheap about money, he really couldn't handle being blackmailed. He had to kill them.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
42. Oh, I see.
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 07:50 PM
Mar 2015

Now I understand what you meant by the castle reference. The idea (deriving from common law) that 'A man's home is his castle.' I'll remember not to visit that guy's house! Or the home of someone I don't like, who might have a bunch of guns.

Thanks bettyellen. Have a great evening.

NJCher

(35,620 posts)
29. why he did the documentary
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 06:36 AM
Mar 2015
I wonder why this guy Robert Durst would agree to 20 hours of interviews with the director?Maybe hubris. Or maybe attempting to deceive in the hopes of keeping people off his trail?

I thought Jeanine Piro had the best answer to that question, the question everyone is asking. She said that she believed Durst enjoyed "pushing the envelope."

If you think about it, it makes sense. After all, the guy has no career, no nothing in his life, really. He's reportedly only mildly autistic, so he can still find a way to get into relationships, although as you heard him talk about them in this documentary, you can see that ultimately, it's all about Bobby Durst and no one else. For example, he complained about having to visit his mother-in-law, a woman he characterized as being a "Yankee Magazine" reader. He then went on to complain that she, therefore, liked to talk about things like canning, something he wasn't interested in. C'mon, you can't indulge your mother-in-law in a discussion about something she enjoys? On a visit you probably make only once or twice a year? What kind of person are you, anyway?

Answer: narcissist.

Piro continued, saying that the reason he agreed to the documentary was that he enjoyed the thrill of being able to elude the law. She summarized that "now the envelope may push him back." I presume that is a reference to the ending of the next trial, when the judge opens the envelope with the jury's findings.

Another possibility might be that she was referring to the two envelopes he addressed that had "Beverley" mispelled. Yes, indeed, those two envelopes pushed him back.

In regard to your other question: This guy admitted to killing & chopping up the body of a neighbor, and was acquitted by a jury. Whoa! Like how the heck did he get an acquittal?

He got the acquittal through a clever defense strategy that was once used by Clarence Darrow, the famed attorney who represented Eugene V. Debs. In this particular case and strategy, though, Darrow represented Loeb/Leopold. This strategy recognizes the contribution to the proceedings that the jury will want to make. If the defendant goes into the case saying yeah, I did it, but do me a favor and let me have life instead of the chair, the jury will get very little satisfaction in that. There will be no feeling of having contributed, and after all, those jurors are there at no small sacrifice to their personal lives, time, etc.

So instead, what the clever attorney will do in a case like this is go in saying yeah, I did it--but there were extenuating circumstances. Such circumstances are always something like abuse, or some other such thing. In this case, the extenuating circumstance was a fight over a gun. This allows the jury the feeling of having deliberated and issuing what they see as a just decision.

Re this strategy, it is also currently being used by the attorney in the Boston bombing trial that is going on now.



Cher

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
33. Ah, that explanation on why he contacted the filmmakers
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 04:34 PM
Mar 2015

makes sense. The books The Falcon and the Snowman and Flight of the Falcon, about a guy who sold US nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union, goes into that intriguing question too. It was also a movie starring Sean Penn. The latter book discusses how he got caught after he was on the run. He was lonely. He told his story to a bartender he befriended and she reported it. The book talks about how nearly everyone needs to talk with another human being about something. Even people on the run or who might have difficulty forming bonds. When you add in someone with secrets involving crimes, they may have a pretty strong desire to talk about it with someone. Not to say everyone who kills someone does this, obviously. But with many, it's a compelling desire.

The human desire to talk, perhaps if only to have someone listen, is so strong that it can override many other things that could seem rational to the outside observer. In addition to pushing the envelope and the envelope pushing back (a great analogy!) there may even be some conscience involved, in terms of wanting to talk or wanting to get caught. Or perhaps wanting to find out what prosecutors might have in order to stay a step ahead. Or even to justify the killings in one's own mind and to others. I think if you add that to all the stuff Jeanine Piro mentions, and that you mention, it starts becoming more clear as to why he started talking.

Regarding the defense strategy, thanks for the excellent explanation. That makes perfect sense from a defense standpoint. The Phil Spector defense was very similar. I'm sure there are many other cases too where that strategy is used. Particularly when it's obvious that the defendant committed the killing.

I don't quite understand how the Boston bombing defendant is using that strategy. It's hard to wrap my head around it. Is he claiming he set the bomb down but didn't intend to harm anyone? Or what? Can you (or anyone reading) explain that a bit further?

NJCher

(35,620 posts)
34. his brother
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 04:48 PM
Mar 2015

They are going to blame it on the brother, saying he was a Svengali who had the younger brother under his spell.

I love your point about wanting to talk. I think that's an important component of it.

Wish I could stay and talk about this case more: I'm totally enthralled with it, being a true crime addict, and I can't wait until Wed., when HBO runs the last episode again!

But I have to go make dinner. Hmmm, maybe I can find a podcast about this to listen to while I make tomato sauce, ya' think?


Cher

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
35. Oh thanks NJCher.
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 04:53 PM
Mar 2015

Enjoy making the tomato sauce & have a great dinner & evening. Hey, I'll bet there is some podcast on this somewhere out there!

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
25. This guy could be the central character in a Stephen King novel...
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:48 PM
Mar 2015

a slightly built seventy-something who had over a dozen family members get orders of protection against him at one point last year, simply because he was caught dallying on the block that they live on in Manhattan. Kind of an actual Grim Reaper.

wheniwasincongress

(1,307 posts)
44. People who know about him well:
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 09:29 PM
Mar 2015

Is he considered a smart guy? How do you consider his intelligence? (just curious)

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