Helping Trey Gowdy pimp a fake scandal does not make a person progressive.

[geek tragedy]

Quite the contrary.

Progressives care about issues, not trying to stick it to prominent Democrats out of personal animosity.

Here's how the grown ups of the progressive movement are treating it:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-emails

"What Hillary Clinton did with her email is, frankly, not one of the great issues I face," the independent senator from Vermont told reporters at a news conference on Capitol Hill about upcoming budget negotiations.

Sanders, the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, dismissed the issue as a media phenomenon that few regular Americans care about.

"There is great deal of interest on this subject from people in the media here on Capitol Hill. Not a whole lot of interest from people back home," he said. "The people back home are precisely interested in what we're talking about — how do you create a million jobs, how do you make college affordable, how do you make health care affordable?"

In a sign that the nine-day-old issue isn't resonating with Democratic voters, none of the party's 2016 presidential hopefuls have criticized Clinton, including former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley and former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb. A recent NBC/Wall Street Journal survey found that a whopping 86 percent of Democratic primary voters believe they could support her.

For an example of what actual progressives are talking about, see this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016117153

The Bernie Buzz update: Strengthen Social Security

[mcar]

1. Exactly so

Kudos to Senator Sanders and the others.

[1StrongBlackMan]

2. +1. n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

3. This faux scandal will not persist...

It was borne from a regulation that was never enforced by any level of govt.

It's bullpuckey. Let's get back to her votes in the Senate... that's not bullpuckey.

[geek tragedy]

5. Exactly. She had mostly good votes, with some inexcusable, damning

ones when the chips were down.

That is more than fair game.

[Dems to Win]

38. Agreed.

The email stuff will not resonate with voters at all.

I've posted about Hillary's poor handling of the media in this kerfluffle, though. It indicates to me that she has some problems with the mechanics and timing of campaigning and managing the press and putting together a smoothly running press conference. These are not good omens from our presumptive nominee.

[geek tragedy]

39. they all stumble. in this case, part of the problem is that there's no substantive debate on our

side (not even a debate, with no candidates having announced), so the media steps in as her opposition, and being the media they prefer bullshit debates on process to actual substance.

[Dems to Win]

43. Sure, the media sucks. But Hillary did nothing to help herself.

We need a candidate who can manage their relations with the media, even given how awful they are.

Eight days of silence from Hillary as the media danced in their frenzy. Even Dianne Feinstein, a big Hillary supporter, went on a Sunday show and publicly said that Hillary's silence was hurting her.

Then, when Hillary does decide to speak on the emails, instead of going onto the Sunday shows herself, she does so with a press conference at the UN. She completely overshadowed her own speech of the day commemorating one of the highlights of her own career, her Bejing speech.

And, she or her people made the logistics so difficult for the press people that they were irritated before they ever asked the first question.

see this link: http://www.cjr.org/analysis/hillary_clinton_press_relationship.php How Hillary Clinton made journalists’ lives difficult from Columbia Journalism Review

The entire Democratic leadership, from Schumer to Jerry Brown to all the big party fundraisers, are all behind Hillary. No one else can get any traction or support to seriously think about entering the race, to all intents and purposes.

If Hillary is so great, she and her staff should have been able to address this issue more quickly and in the appropriate venue. And if they decide to do a press conference, they should be able to do that competently.

Sure, they all stumble. And most of them lose.

We are looking for a winner for the Democrats and the people. Or at least we should be. Hillary's dealings with the media on this issue have not been the actions of a winner.

[dsc]

49. Oh the humanity

the poor journalists actually had to wait in line and then wait in a room. What a bunch of self important whiny crybabies.

[JoePhilly]

4. Its a slow week for the perpetually outraged.

So they cling to the email nonsense.

[Andy823]

6. Funny isn't it

Some here hold Bernie in such high regard, some of them are doing the right wings work by bashing Clinton on a daily basis. Of course they are pretty much the same group that bashed the president on a daily basis since he was elected, so maybe they have some other kind of agenda going instead of actually promoting liberal, progressive, and democratic values?

I am not sure who is running yet, or who is the best candidate to win in 2016. After I hear them in the debates, then I will pick who I will support in the primary. It's very doubtful it would be Hillary, but no matter who wins the primary I will vote for them come election time, with out any doubts. I don't care what some here say, republicans would never be better than any democrat that we run as the nominee, never! We have to many issues that would never be addressed with a republican in the WH.

What I would really like to see is those who seem to hate Hillary so much, the ones that would never vote for here is she were the candidate in 2016, show me some facts about how terrible she would be, and how she would run the country just like any republican that might win their nomination would, but then again they only seem to want to bash her, not really show the facts that back those attacks.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Because Bernie starts from the premise that he's not going to do anything to help the right.

It's really that simple.

[BlueCaliDem]

9. EXACTLY! Unlike some of his followers here, he understands that he's not helping

push this country forward if he's going to do the work of demonizing Democrats for the GOP.

[geek tragedy]

10. I don't see any of Bernie's followers going Trey Gowdy over this.

I see a lot of "Anybody But Clinton" types, but no "Bernie speaks the truth" types.

[BlueCaliDem]

12. Well, self-proclaimed-Sanders-supporters-touting-the-anyone-but-Clinton-meme. Better?

I didn't mean to offend you, GT. I like your posts and I know you'll never criticize a Democrat if they didn't really deserve it, so of course I don't mean true Sanders supporters.

[Doctor_J]

13. And this doesn't make Bernie part of the "ready For Hillary" cult either

despite what you might read in this thread.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Nobody is suggesting that but he will not do anything to enable the right wing./NT

[freshwest]

37. He's said specifically he's not going to be spoiler and allow the country to fall into the hands of

another rightwing Republican. Said he would not play the part of a Nader and divert people away from Democrats. Not all people seem to be clear on that point, saying they'll vote Green or not vote at all which is exactly what people that value what Bernie does, never would say. How can one be a follower of someone due to their values and not do what they beg, such as he did in the midterms begging people to vote Democratic last year?

Those who sat it out because they said they refused to pick the lesser of two evils or were tired of holding their noses, aren't serious about what he is. That kind of language helps no one, it only confirms that it's about ego. Just as Barney Frank said.

Bernie has not ruled out running as a Democrat because of its power to organize people in the states and he caucuses with the Democrats for very good reasons. The best thing I've seen lately on DU after a number of OPs pushing back that kind of learned mindset against HRC, so not wholly to blame, either, is that some who say they support are finally posting about what Bernie says he wants.

I've been posting the good things from Bernie and Warren for years. They are my favorite candidates, except Warren is not a candidate. Bernie is really in tune with the issues I see as most important, human issues, and while some of his record on social issues is being reported, his positions on women isn't posted yet.

Still, I feel that Bernie would never betray women or any of us. Even though I don't like to write the overused victim hype of 'betrayal.' It reminds me of the kid whose parent was going to take them for a trip and the car broke down and the parent can't make it happen. Then the kid's tantrum starts. It's no way to promote a candidate.

Bernie nearly got thrown under the bus last year for voting to fund Israel's Iron Dome defense system. I've posted all the videos of him saying what I'm saying here and it's in my Journal. There are hundreds of pages, so if anyone wants to know, just go and suffer through the search. Some won't like what it says, but it's a message board, not a pool party here.

I've got promises to keep today so I'm off the board for a while.

[geek tragedy]

8. Because there is zero bullshit with Bernie. Which is why if he runs in the primary, I'm voting for

him. Bernie always has his eyes on the prize, but also has his feet on the ground. The progressive movement needs people like him as well as those who are willing to bullshit, aka politicians.

[lewebley3]

11. Agree, GOP treason more important!!

Email story was created by the NYTimes leaveing out facts, I don't
think that was an accident!

[ismnotwasm]

14. K&R

[GoneFishin]

15. No matter what you think of HRC, one must realize that if the GOP and talking heads are

bloviating about it then it is more than likely bullshit and exaggeration.

Unless and until I here something very concrete and very substantial I am giving Hillary the benefit of the doubt.

[whereisjustice]

16. 3rd way put all their eggs in Hillary's basket. She's already stepped in it before getting out of

the gate. There's nothing more loyal and patriotic than standing up to authority and telling them they are out of their fucking minds. Hillary will be a disaster and will set us back another decade.

[geek tragedy]

17. your rant is unconvincing nt

[whereisjustice]

19. Your defense of ethics violations so large you could drive a truck through them is quaint...

you want a pony with that?

[geek tragedy]

22. I don't see any ethical violations being discussed. All I see his bipartisan Hillary Hate nt

[marble falls]

18. I am really unhappy with the email policy that allows all of Washington to in effect edit ....

the public record and history. That's not Hillary, that's Washington and this can be fixed. I felt once I read Ms Clinton's statement I understood her position even if I didn't like it. I'll vote for her. And with the fine selection of fruit and nuts from the GOP running to run against her, I will not hesitate and I will not regret voting for Hillary.

I'll be voting a straight Democratic ticket for all national offices. Again.

[roguevalley]

27. my objections to her actions have nothing to do with the republicans. I am as irate

with them doing the same thing as I am with her. If you take a job, you do it the right way. We would be fired if we did the same thing in our own fields. I also heard that she didn't want to have more than one device for two accounts. Someone needs to explain the internet to her. My objections aid and abet no one.

[marble falls]

30. The problem is the law alloed her to do it. She admits it looks badand that in hindsight...

she'd do it different now. The law needs changed and it will be changed.

She's not my first choice by a long shot, but she is the one who will win and at least look out for most of my interests. I'd vote for John Kerry if he'd run. Once Elizabeth Warren finishes a term in office, I'd vote for her, too.

[geek tragedy]

33. the email thing is at worst a political error rather than any kind of legal one.

if someone wants to hide shady dealings, they'll find a way to do it that doesn't attract attention.

[roguevalley]

40. set aside the law for a moment. What does it say about her judgment and sense of ego that she

can do something so brazen and not get caught? How many times do they get lambasted and all of us by extension before her lack of good judgment given her profile becomes an evident problem? I am not prepared to put up with this for four to eight years again. I lost family and friends defending bill clinton who was guilty as hell. His judgment was evident and hers is becoming so to me.

[ND-Dem]

59. the problem is, she did it; not that the law allowed her to. the problem is her own

bad judgment or lack of ethics.

[roguevalley]

65. report out that a spam filter company had access to her clinton account stuff. what a stupid, stupid

stupid thing she did. Judgment has been missing in government for twenty years and now it looks like we might have it ahead of us for four more.

[Throd]

52. Thank you. I'm against the "memory hole" no matter who it benefits.

Because it sure as hell isn't the public.

[Scurrilous]

23. Yesterday's NYTimes (front page above the fold):

Emails Clinton Said Were Kept Could Be Lost

Oh Noes!!1!

Of all the dirty @#$% going on in today's politics, especially from the @#$% GOP, this is what they deem highly newsworthy.

Some emails may have been lost.

[LadyHawkAZ]

24. K&R Sanders under the bus in 3...2...1...

[Jack Rabbit]

25. K/R

There are some good reasons to oppose Hillary Clinton.

This isn't one one them.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

26. I have a thousand dollars that says if Bernie isnt the candidate, and Hillary is, he votes for her

His supporters should take note

Liz Warren too, same $1000

[MADem]

57. HILLPAC generously supported Bernie in his bid for the Senate.

He doesn't hate her one bit. I think he'll do more than vote for her if she's the candidate.

Same with Warren--she didn't sign that Run Hill Run letter casually.

[blm]

28. EXACTLY how I feel - and I say that as a well known critic of HRC.

For the primary we should be able to criticize with constructive intent and perspective not with GOP talking points.

[freshwest]

29. TY, GT.

[Agnosticsherbet]

31. Hillary Clinton's positions on policies of importance to me are what is important.

Hillary Clinton's position on women's rights are clear.

Compare and contrast to Scott Walker.

[geek tragedy]

32. Exactly. Not to mention labor, and even foreign policy--Walker wants boots on the ground

in freaking SYRIA.

[hrmjustin]

34. Well said my friend! K&R!

[JustAnotherGen]

35. Kick!

[cascadiance]

36. I won't be lead in to criticizing Hillary Clinton's motives for using private email, BUT....

... I do question her wisdom in wanting to move away from government infrastructure to private infrastructure for things like IT and email, when if there is a problem that she feels she has a legitimate need to do this, it should be explained to us so we can FIX the problems with government infrastructure email and make it a system that decent politicians feel that they can trust and use without fear of it being abused instead of feeling forced to using privatized solutions, which IS a win that is being promoted for the "get rid of government except for government spying infrastructure" Republicans...

This is a larger problem than Hillary Clinton, but she's not chosen to exercise leadership I expect from someone who expects to be our leader to fix it, and instead has chosen to avoid it and fall in to a trap that Republicans want her and other Democrats to fall in to to help them move everything to privatized solutions, and the right wing then pushing blame on to people for suspected corruption that they want to go after instead of the real corrupt politicians that they want to protect with these moves.

[morningfog]

41. Progressives also care about not putting all the Dem eggs in the basket

that produces self-inflicting wounds through poor judgment. Look, I get that it is Hillary's turn. She is a fund raising powerhouse and many think she can skate to the White House on that and her recognition.

I have second thoughts. I don't think she is an effective campaigner. I think her hubris hurts her. I think the animosity towards her by so many hurts her chances. She has long entrenched political enemies. They will be relentless. When she has made stupid choices and then does a piss poor job dealing with those choices when they surface, I worry about her as the Democratic candidate.

[Dems to Win]

44. +1

[alarimer]

62. I resent the fact that it is anyone's "turn".

I hate having a candidate shoved at us with no alternative.

I want a real contest.

[aspirant]

42. I think HRC did a wonderful thing

in standing up for the Right-to-Privacy

Pro-Privacy = Anti-NSA Spying, I'm looking forward to her criticism of the NSA and shouting for People's Rights.

[great white snark]

45. K&R!

A non-divisive, thoughtful OP? Nice!

Thank you.

[Blue_Tires]

46. It's the new "emoprog-dudebro" left...

That splinter faction re-inventing Putin, Gaddafi, Assad, al-Awaki as "heroes" for opposing U.S. hegemony, writing apologia justifying Islamic acts of terror and regretting their 2012 vote for Obama since he's evidently a corporate-owned warmongering conservative fascist

And no, I don't understand them, either...

[Warren DeMontague]

47. What is Hillary Clinton's position on the CARERS act? Has she said?

Because as president she would be in a position not just to define federal enforcement priorities but also to sign or veto similar legislation.

She wants ot talk about actual issues? Fucking GREAT.

Let's just not pretend that "my most inspriational bible verse is..." and "all aboard the inevitabibilty train" qualify as real issues.

[morningfog]

48. Without a real primary, we won't find out her positions

on the issues that matter until it is too late.

[geek tragedy]

51. I have no idea. Hopefully she'll get asked about

that instead of stupid bullshit about email policies.

[Warren DeMontague]

53. Damn straight.

[Gothmog]

50. HRC's e-mails is a non scandal

[bvar22]

54. If Condoleezza had kept a "private" E-Mail server during the Bush Administration,

would DU look different today?

[Gothmog]

55. This is a non-scandal

[spanone]

56. k&r...

[Cha]

58. Excellent points, geek.. mahalo for the link to "The Bernie Buzz"!

[fbc]

60. I don't like Hillary, but I concur.

This is (or should be) a non-issue.

[stonecutter357]

61. K&R!

[Enthusiast]

63. Republicans are like the little boy that cried wolf. Exactly like.

[blackspade]

64. I'm not a Clinton Fan by any stretch....

But this whole e-mail thing is bullshit.
Federal e-mail systems are antiquated and likely no more secure than her personal e-mail anyway.
As for which ones she held back? She is a presidential hopeful. She would be a fool to hold back official e-mails.
THAT would damage her more than anything.
What the press is after is her personal stuff, between friends and family. This has nothing to do with policy or Bengazi, or anything else.