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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:12 AM Mar 2015

Did you ever notice that some people are more outraged at racist rich white punks getting

Last edited Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:11 AM - Edit history (1)

expelled from a university for bragging about discriminating against black people than they are at thousands of black people in Ferguson having their civil rights trashed by their own government and police force on a daily basis?

Things that make you go "hmmmmmm."



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Did you ever notice that some people are more outraged at racist rich white punks getting (Original Post) geek tragedy Mar 2015 OP
Yep. The mask of civility has dropped off their faces to show the racist hidden beneath these BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #1
I find it kind of funny how you use a racially loaded term to describe racists CBGLuthier Mar 2015 #2
I find it funny you don't know what the phrase means. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #7
Definitely..... daleanime Mar 2015 #20
So rich kids in a northern college phil89 Mar 2015 #31
I was thinking the same thing. The reason given for a male to join a southern fraternity is to Sarcastica Mar 2015 #36
+1 nt MadDAsHell Mar 2015 #73
yep it is accurate azureblue Mar 2015 #67
Sorry, I agree with CBGLuthier. randome Mar 2015 #44
I disagree, but to avoid further distraction I will change based on your input geek tragedy Mar 2015 #47
When I was seeing a therapist during the heyday of my divorce... randome Mar 2015 #55
i would have no problem using the phrase. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #57
that you have to modify it with 'rich' does not such thing: it just means "rich people acting like ND-Dem Mar 2015 #68
i find it funny you use a term that denigrates whites because they're poor to denigrate these ND-Dem Mar 2015 #66
Um - "white trash"? Where does it mention that? I do see "rights trashed." calimary Mar 2015 #91
You're missing the fact the OP decided to edit the title on the original post. onenote Mar 2015 #102
It's hard being outraged all the time Blue_Adept Mar 2015 #3
Yeah, those people are probably Koch-paid to be outraged. Just as Kochs and their ilk valerief Mar 2015 #4
I don't think people are more outraged about the fraternity incident than cali Mar 2015 #5
What I'm saying is that there are some white people who are all up in arms about geek tragedy Mar 2015 #8
oh, whoops. I totally missed your point. cali Mar 2015 #19
a really good point you made here guillaumeb Mar 2015 #72
thanks, you said it far better than I did, but that's pretty much cali Mar 2015 #81
Poutraged. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #6
Do you have to use racist language here? hootinholler Mar 2015 #9
that's not what it means at all. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #11
Bullshit! hootinholler Mar 2015 #26
I don't base my understanding of the english language based on my geek tragedy Mar 2015 #29
Well, thank goodness you were here to 'splain what is and is not offensive, and to whom. Orsino Mar 2015 #39
Yeah, because it's exactly the same thing. nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #45
So these things might have something in common? Orsino Mar 2015 #51
No, they are nothing alike except for those determined to invent a reason geek tragedy Mar 2015 #53
Well, whatever made you think it might be offensive, I appreciate that impulse. n/t Orsino Mar 2015 #58
Thanks for the edit n/t hootinholler Mar 2015 #64
thank you for letting me know I was needlessly offending people nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #65
IMO "white trash" is a class insult, not a racial one n/t eridani Mar 2015 #90
Actually, I consider it to be more of a character insult. smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #94
Palins...definitely white trash. n/t OnlinePoker Mar 2015 #109
No, I hadn't noticed that. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #10
you haven't noticed anyone, anywhere complain that the OU racists were being treated unfairly geek tragedy Mar 2015 #12
Not really Android3.14 Mar 2015 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #16
See below, at least one person learned about the DOJ report thanks to this thread. nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #28
Are you even reading the responses from people to this obnoxious OP? Android3.14 Mar 2015 #41
None of the responses, based on past posting histories, surprise me. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #42
I'm guessing either a 'bot Android3.14 Mar 2015 #92
You're not looking mountain grammy Mar 2015 #82
Frankly no. I've mostly stayed out of those threads. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #15
I've debated at least two people here who have a history of apologism for the Ferguson PD geek tragedy Mar 2015 #18
Okay, well we have obviously had different experiences then. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #30
Racist language Android3.14 Mar 2015 #13
Take it up with Paul Krugman. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #17
So you justify racist language because someone else used it? Android3.14 Mar 2015 #37
The phrase is not racist. Please. nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #40
Most racists rarely realize when they are being racist Android3.14 Mar 2015 #46
I am not accusing DU of a double standard. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #48
you yourself display a double standard ND-Dem Mar 2015 #70
OMG, so fucking over the top Sheepshank Mar 2015 #89
Oh OH!.. Paul Krugman referred to "rich white trash"..!! They're "white" check.. they're "rich" Cha Mar 2015 #106
"racist rich white trash" NM_Birder Mar 2015 #21
you're not aware of any chronic abuse of civil rights in Ferguson? nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #24
Don't be coy, show me how informed you are. NM_Birder Mar 2015 #25
here's your link. Your apology is accepted in advance. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #32
Did you join DU to defend the Ferguson PD? nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #35
I trust the DOJ's work on both counts here. It seems the "hands up, don't shoot" geek tragedy Mar 2015 #38
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #50
Are you disputing the DOJ's findings on the Ferguson PD, new user? geek tragedy Mar 2015 #52
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #59
Nice dodge, 'new' user. Welcome back to DU/ geek tragedy Mar 2015 #60
Yoo hoo! You haven't been back to thank me for the link.nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #49
I just sent them one as well geek tragedy.... sheshe2 Mar 2015 #99
No sign, hmmmm. nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #104
Would this help you? sheshe2 Mar 2015 #98
Before this is hidden...and it shouldn't be mountain grammy Mar 2015 #22
+1 and I loved your OP on the subject yesterday! JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #79
Thanks, I appreciate that. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #83
The Tubes, "White Punks on Dope": betsuni Mar 2015 #23
Yep, I've noticed that... Spazito Mar 2015 #33
I have not noticed anyone here defending the frat rats' right to express their KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #43
Then You Haven't Been Reading My Posts mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2015 #61
Is there a right to discriminate? nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #63
Noticed. blm Mar 2015 #54
Thanks for editing (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #56
Thank you for editing the OP Android3.14 Mar 2015 #62
hoax, smoax father founding Mar 2015 #69
? nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #71
Why would you expect any better these days? Gman Mar 2015 #74
It seems to me that people are just getting more & more tired of B.S. as is..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #75
sort of like folks only glomming on to the part of the DOJ report re: Officer Wilson, but silent salin Mar 2015 #76
Name removed did just that. nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #77
lol... I *never* see what he writes salin Mar 2015 #78
I've noticed it... Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #80
Could you maybe ease up on the punk-bashing a bit? Scootaloo Mar 2015 #84
What's a better word--brats? But I don't want to offend geek tragedy Mar 2015 #85
There's a .gif for it! Scootaloo Mar 2015 #86
K&R and thanks for posting. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #87
Welcome to DU, geek Number23 Mar 2015 #88
+1 bravenak Mar 2015 #100
I just saw someone said that the racist frat guys were just "kids being kids" Number23 Mar 2015 #107
My question to Jamaal510 Mar 2015 #93
Even worse are the people who say we shouldn't talk about it.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #95
Did you ever notice that some people are more outraged at/concerned with ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #96
Distraction technique. n/t gollygee Mar 2015 #97
Some people are afraid of what some people might think. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #101
I'll be looking for a similar reply when some fool on DU uses the word "thug" again. U4ikLefty Mar 2015 #105
When has there been an extended discussion on DU over ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #111
Yes, agreed. n/t prayin4rain Mar 2015 #103
Outrage? Jenoch Mar 2015 #108
K&R. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #110

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
2. I find it kind of funny how you use a racially loaded term to describe racists
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:37 AM
Mar 2015

The term "white trash" has usually been used by racists to describe white people who act in the inferior manner that they associate with other races. Why not just call them a bunch of assholes and leave the racially loaded terms out?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. I find it funny you don't know what the phrase means.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:44 AM
Mar 2015
White trash is a derogatory American English term referring to poor white people, especially in the rural South of the United States, suggesting lower social class and degraded standards of living. The term suggests outcasts from respectable society living on the fringes of the social order, who are seen as dangerous because they may be criminal, unpredictable, and without respect for authority whether it be political, legal, or moral


The closest analog is "rednecks."

These punks are rich, privileged white trash.



 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
31. So rich kids in a northern college
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:47 AM
Mar 2015

Are accurately described as poor white people in the rural south? Do you think before you post?

 

Sarcastica

(95 posts)
36. I was thinking the same thing. The reason given for a male to join a southern fraternity is to
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:58 AM
Mar 2015

distinguish himself from poor white trash. Who else can afford to pay for friends?

Sometimes you use language to make a point.

Sometimes you pretend to make a point so you can throw around some language.

azureblue

(2,131 posts)
67. yep it is accurate
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 12:04 PM
Mar 2015

and you don't think at all. It's a bunch of right kids wanting to act all white trash. I grew up in the south and I know what white trash is.And I knew a number of well off white kids that were white trash wanna bees - just like these punks. They thought that acting stupid was cool. Get a clue.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
44. Sorry, I agree with CBGLuthier.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:10 AM
Mar 2015

No matter what the 'official' definition is, it implies whites being 'just like' blacks by acting 'trashy'. That's how it's been used in the past.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.
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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
47. I disagree, but to avoid further distraction I will change based on your input
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:12 AM
Mar 2015

it's tangential to the larger point anyways.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
55. When I was seeing a therapist during the heyday of my divorce...
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:16 AM
Mar 2015

...I described my ex as behaving like 'white trash' to my black therapist. She never said anything about it but I could tell that in my angry state, I had gone somewhere I had no business being.

I suppose that's a rule of thumb: if you would have a problem using the phrase 'white trash' to a black person face-to-face, then maybe it shouldn't be used.

Just my opinion and your being open to that is, as always, impressive.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.
[/center][/font][hr]

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
57. i would have no problem using the phrase.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:17 AM
Mar 2015

I certainly would not have a problem with "rich white trash" since it inverts the class element to the phrase and implicitly argues that trashiness is not race or wealth, but character.

I don't think anyone would disagree that these two punks are trash.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
68. that you have to modify it with 'rich' does not such thing: it just means "rich people acting like
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 12:06 PM
Mar 2015

poor people" (who are assumed to act like trash).

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
66. i find it funny you use a term that denigrates whites because they're poor to denigrate these
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 12:00 PM
Mar 2015

supposed 'rich' whites.

and I agree with other posters; part of the reason white trash = trash is because they were poor (like black people) and mixed with non-whites (partly for economic reasons).

thanks for showing your class slip.

calimary

(80,700 posts)
91. Um - "white trash"? Where does it mention that? I do see "rights trashed."
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 07:15 PM
Mar 2015

But somehow I don't see it as being the same thing as "white trash".

But "rich white punks" - I certainly saw that. And that seems to fit just fine.

Am I missing something?

onenote

(42,383 posts)
102. You're missing the fact the OP decided to edit the title on the original post.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:55 AM
Mar 2015

See post #47.

It sometimes pays to read the posts in a thread before posting.

Blue_Adept

(6,384 posts)
3. It's hard being outraged all the time
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:39 AM
Mar 2015

Sometimes you just have to go off on other targets instead of just railing against the same thing day in and day out where nothing seems to change.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
4. Yeah, those people are probably Koch-paid to be outraged. Just as Kochs and their ilk
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:40 AM
Mar 2015

own the TV and radio, so do they own large swaths of the internet, mainly the comments sections of popular sites.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
5. I don't think people are more outraged about the fraternity incident than
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:41 AM
Mar 2015

Ferguson, but I do think it's easier to grapple with the former. There's an arc to that story with a conclusion. Ferguson is a much more difficult and more pernicious problem that is a lot more frustrating when it comes to solid solutions.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. What I'm saying is that there are some white people who are all up in arms about
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:45 AM
Mar 2015

how these OU racists were mistreated, but haven't registered a peep of protest about Ferguson.

Not outraged about the racism, they're outraged about how the racists are supposedly the real victims.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
72. a really good point you made here
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 01:03 PM
Mar 2015

people behaving badly on a bus can be written off as a number of drunks acting like fools. But what is happening in Ferguson, and it is not just Ferguson, reflects badly on the US as a whole. This targeting of blacks cannot all be explained as simply police arresting the "bad apples" because every black person is being treated as a bad apple.

The arc of the Ferguson story leads from slavery to prison farms to disparate treatment in the criminal justice system to disenfranchisement of blacks and back to prison as a substitute for slavery. What progress has been made since 1865?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
81. thanks, you said it far better than I did, but that's pretty much
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 04:12 PM
Mar 2015

what I was getting at- though I do think that progress has absolutely been made since 1865.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
9. Do you have to use racist language here?
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:46 AM
Mar 2015

The term white trash is fucking racist to the core, it says that the lowliest white man is better than the most virtuous black man.

Things that make you go Hmmmmm.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
26. Bullshit!
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:29 AM
Mar 2015

Why do rednecks use it all the time then?

I'm someone who has been called white trash by actual Klan members, its meaning is nothing at all like what you keep claiming it means.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
29. I don't base my understanding of the english language based on my
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:33 AM
Mar 2015

interactions with the KKK, which have been nonexistent.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
39. Well, thank goodness you were here to 'splain what is and is not offensive, and to whom.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:01 AM
Mar 2015

I hear SAE may be hiring publicists.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
53. No, they are nothing alike except for those determined to invent a reason
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:15 AM
Mar 2015

to be offended.

But, I changed the title, so moot point.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
94. Actually, I consider it to be more of a character insult.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 08:12 PM
Mar 2015

For instance, I think the Bush Family is white trash. However I have met plenty of people who have no money that I think are fine human beings, worthy of respect. Most of the prominent republicans are white trash to me and they have tons of money. I guess I have a different definition than some people.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
10. No, I hadn't noticed that.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:50 AM
Mar 2015

Some people - can you name three? I personally haven't seen anyone defend the SAE "white trash" as you describe them.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. you haven't noticed anyone, anywhere complain that the OU racists were being treated unfairly
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:51 AM
Mar 2015

while also ignoring the DOJ report on Ferguson?

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
14. Not really
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:55 AM
Mar 2015

It seems like the recognition of the Ferguson DOJ and the condemnation of the OU crap was near universal, especially on DU. Sure, we always have a few outliers, but your complaint is just clickbait.

Sounds like you needed to find another reason to support their outrage.

Response to Android3.14 (Reply #14)

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
41. Are you even reading the responses from people to this obnoxious OP?
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:02 AM
Mar 2015

My comment had nothing to do with people learning of the report. It is about the fake outrage you directed to members of DU.

This is just pathetic.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
42. None of the responses, based on past posting histories, surprise me.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:02 AM
Mar 2015

Not a lot of George Zimmerman critics complaining.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
92. I'm guessing either a 'bot
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 07:57 PM
Mar 2015

Or a busy sockpuppet. Otherwise the interaction would be topical. Either way, welcome to the land of "ignore"ance.

mountain grammy

(26,571 posts)
82. You're not looking
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 05:34 PM
Mar 2015

I was posted an OP on which the majority of comments defended the right of the OU students to say whatever pops into their empty racist heads and how their first amendment rights trump anything and how dare anyone, especially a state university dare to punish their precious freedom of speech because they are the state dontcha know.

Look around. It's right here on DU. Geek is correct.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
15. Frankly no. I've mostly stayed out of those threads.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:57 AM
Mar 2015

I have seen some questions about the legality of expelling the two caught on camera, and as I pointed out, they signed a code of conduct for the university. Their signatures make any First Amendment issues moot in my opinion.

I have never seen anyone defend them.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. I've debated at least two people here who have a history of apologism for the Ferguson PD
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:06 AM
Mar 2015

and who are OUTRAGED over how these OU racists are being treated.


People will be shocked to learn that these guys are also major gun enthusiasts.

Of course, this also applies to most Republicans.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. Take it up with Paul Krugman.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:00 AM
Mar 2015
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/24/bubba-isnt-who-you-think/?_r=0

In fact, if you look at voting behavior, low-income whites in the South are not very different from low-income whites in the rest of the country. You can see this both in Larry Bartels’s “What’s the matter with What’s the Matter With Kansas?” (pdf), Figure 3, and in a comprehensive study of red state-blue state differences by Gelman et al (pdf). It’s relatively high-income Southern whites who are very, very Republican. Can I get away with saying that rich white trash are the problem? Probably not.
 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
37. So you justify racist language because someone else used it?
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:59 AM
Mar 2015

Now that is as lame as it gets.

I had an eleven-year-old try that with the word "mother fucker" once.

"But Jimmy said it..." (You'll have to imagine the whiny sound of the voice of an 11-year-old boy)

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
46. Most racists rarely realize when they are being racist
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:12 AM
Mar 2015

It comes with the territory. While "white trash" may seem okay with you, as an underpaid hardworking person who has lived a trailer home during our salad days, I find the term offensive.

Additionally, your OP only fans the flames of racism, falsely accusing DU for a weak response to racism in Ferguson and OU, and I believe provoking a response to your false allegation was the purpose of your OP.

Fortunately, it also reveals your own hypocrisy.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
48. I am not accusing DU of a double standard.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:13 AM
Mar 2015

There are a lot of individuals outside DU, as well as a few inside DU, who do have that double standard.

But the overwhelming number of DUers are not described by this post.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
89. OMG, so fucking over the top
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 06:54 PM
Mar 2015

it's getting so that the diversion from the intent of the OP is KABUKI at it's finest.

Cha

(295,927 posts)
106. Oh OH!.. Paul Krugman referred to "rich white trash"..!! They're "white" check.. they're "rich"
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:44 AM
Mar 2015

check.. they behavior is "trashy".. check. But, you can't say it.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
21. "racist rich white trash"
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:15 AM
Mar 2015

if you understand irony, ............ yeah that made me go hmmmmmmm.


Ok, ......how are the protestors having thier civil rights trashed now ? on a daily basis.
You said Ferguson, so pony up, lets hear the civil rights abuse.
 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
25. Don't be coy, show me how informed you are.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:26 AM
Mar 2015


You tell me what abuses they have suffered, and on a daily basis. Not the night of the fucking riots where it was pandemonium, oh by the way did you know a kid was murdered that night and Thrown in a car on the street of the protest ? Nah, who cares, it was just another murder and it would have taken the spotlight off the riot.

i think you are similar to many, you don't and can't support what you imply, you just need some agreement for personal reinforcement.

You said daily abuses of their civil rights, is this so tough for you to back that up ?

Response to geek tragedy (Reply #27)

Response to geek tragedy (Reply #34)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
38. I trust the DOJ's work on both counts here. It seems the "hands up, don't shoot"
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:59 AM
Mar 2015

turned out to not be what happened.

And it turns out that the Ferguson PD is a racist racketeering, extortionist goon squad.

What do you think?

Response to geek tragedy (Reply #38)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
52. Are you disputing the DOJ's findings on the Ferguson PD, new user?
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:14 AM
Mar 2015

You seem to be, but are dancing around it.

Response to geek tragedy (Reply #52)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
60. Nice dodge, 'new' user. Welcome back to DU/
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:27 AM
Mar 2015

The city responded by firing the clerk, the judge, the police chief, and the city manager.

We need better trolls.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
98. Would this help you?
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:24 PM
Mar 2015
You said daily abuses of their civil rights, is this so tough for you to back that up ?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026372768

#Ferguson town leadership was running a multi million dollar racketeering & extortion scheme

Where are the arrest warrants for those involved in the shake down of poor black people in #Ferguson Missouri? In a city with a population of 21,000 people, 16,000 have outstanding warrants. Nearly everyone was criminalize. The police and courts made it a crime to exist in black skin. We live in a country where a state government is running a multi million dollar racketeering & extortion scheme targeting black people & no one is arrested.
Kwame M. Kilpatrick was convicted of racketeering, fraud and extortion but Ferguson town leaders got severance pay. It’s disgraceful when those in power see a crime and squeeze their eyes shut because the racketeer & extortionist have white skin. But when you’re white, it’s alriiiight.

Please do read the rest and be sure to follow all the links. Your questions will indeed be answered.

mountain grammy

(26,571 posts)
22. Before this is hidden...and it shouldn't be
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:17 AM
Mar 2015

I completely agree and it's here on DU. In the name of "free speech " I'm surprised to see a defense of racists on a college campus because, somehow, the opinion is the college should just accept this behavior.

mountain grammy

(26,571 posts)
83. Thanks, I appreciate that.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 05:43 PM
Mar 2015

Frankly I was surprised at the outrage and the defense of the students. Had they been arrested or even detained i would have had an issue based in the first amendment, but they were appropriately disciplined, and yet, quite a few DUers were upset by that.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
43. I have not noticed anyone here defending the frat rats' right to express their
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:09 AM
Mar 2015

racial bigotry (or, conversely, outraged at OU's denial of due process to aforementioned frat rats). That said, if folks are going to be outraged about OU's denial of due process to a couple of bigoted and spoiled rich frat rats, then why aren't they absolutely apoplectic about the total travesty of justice (including, but not limited to, denial of due process) going on in Ferguson? Bottom line, they don't really give a shit about due process or justice; they're actually using 'denial of due process' as a pretext to defend white privilege (which was their real interest and agenda all along).

K&R this awesome thread and your OP. And, yes, those OU frat rats are 'racist rich white trash.' I used to live in the general vicinity and know the type all too well.

mahatmakanejeeves

(56,897 posts)
61. Then You Haven't Been Reading My Posts
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:28 AM
Mar 2015

Of course they have the right to express their racial bigotry:



Why expelled Oklahoma frat boys would have an ‘excellent chance’ in court

The Bill of Rights doesn't exist for the people you like. It exists for the people you detest.

Best wishes,
mahatmakanejeeves

[font color=red]I have some advice for DUers who are upset by what I say. I remind those of you who have not already done so that to put me on "ignore," just click on the icon titled "Ignore this member." Don't worry about me; I'll get over it just fine.[/font]

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
62. Thank you for editing the OP
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 11:33 AM
Mar 2015

The racist language was so distracting.

So in answer to your question, no. I have seen only a few people going that direction.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
74. Why would you expect any better these days?
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 02:18 PM
Mar 2015

It's always been there and will be for years to come until something changes. Nothing has changed.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
75. It seems to me that people are just getting more & more tired of B.S. as is.....
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 03:01 PM
Mar 2015

Whether it be privileged punks in some frat, or the racism-tinged corruption which infects so many police departments.....etc. We can only hope the awakening takes full hold *before* another Gopper takes office, though.

salin

(48,954 posts)
76. sort of like folks only glomming on to the part of the DOJ report re: Officer Wilson, but silent
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 03:09 PM
Mar 2015

on the rest. Or qualifying and dismissing the rest.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
84. Could you maybe ease up on the punk-bashing a bit?
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 05:50 PM
Mar 2015

I don't wear my liberty spikes anymore, but it's still in the heart.

Otherwise, spot on

mountain grammy

(26,571 posts)
87. K&R and thanks for posting.
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 05:58 PM
Mar 2015

Despite the blowback you got,I feel better That there are so many recs for this post.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
107. I just saw someone said that the racist frat guys were just "kids being kids"
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:48 AM
Mar 2015

Like I said in that thread, I hope all of this crap gets revisited the next time these people throw their Mutual Back Patting Society gathering and proclaim themselves ever so much "smarter" more "evolved" and "informed" than Freepers.

Because from where I've been sitting the last few years, what daylight there is between the two groups is shrinking more by the day.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
93. My question to
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 08:11 PM
Mar 2015

the people who say they shouldn't have been expelled: if those frat boys shouldn't be expelled for this, then what should people be expelled for, then? Should the university wait until there's a free-for-all before they take any action?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
95. Even worse are the people who say we shouldn't talk about it....
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:58 PM
Mar 2015

Deep down, white people in America are TERRIFIED that the other races are going to rise up and make them pay for what they've done.

So if you even TALK about race it "stirs them up" and increases the danger to white people.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
96. Did you ever notice that some people are more outraged at/concerned with ...
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 10:55 PM
Mar 2015

the language that you chose to use than the subject of your OP?

I have ... and score it as par for this course.

U4ikLefty

(4,012 posts)
105. I'll be looking for a similar reply when some fool on DU uses the word "thug" again.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:41 AM
Mar 2015

I'm sure you will be consistent.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
111. When has there been an extended discussion on DU over ...
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:34 AM
Mar 2015

racialize/non-racialized meaning of the term "thug'? the only time I can remind is during the Richard Sherman "Taunting Drama", and where some dUers were arguing "the (black) guy's murder was totally justified."

If that's what you are talking about, then perhaps we should revisit earlier chapters in the Racialized Speech in America textbook ...because some have clearly missed some basic concepts.

(Hint: in America the term "white trash" is only (racially) offensive with the addition of the modifier, "white." ... See the difference?)

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
108. Outrage?
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:53 AM
Mar 2015

I was part of that thread and I don't recall any outrage. I do remember people defending the 1st Amendment.

The students involved should be shunned by their peers. I don't think they sjould be tossed in jail for their despicable actions.

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