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Omaha Steve

(99,556 posts)
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:13 PM Mar 2015

Should Law Enforcement be allowed to Unionized?


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Should Law Enforcement be allowed to Unionized? (Original Post) Omaha Steve Mar 2015 OP
Sure, why not?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #1
I stand with FDR Telcontar Mar 2015 #2
In WI-Gov Walker exempted firefighters and police from his union busting law. riversedge Mar 2015 #4
So you want to stand with Walker? Telcontar Mar 2015 #7
Of course not. He gave them special status. I do like riversedge Mar 2015 #26
He was wrong, times have changed, etc. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #11
I disagree Telcontar Mar 2015 #12
Welcome to America, you get to do that here. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #13
Yeah, buddy you nailed it. I'm just envious Telcontar Mar 2015 #17
Not a very good answer. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #18
Your post didnt deserve a good answer Telcontar Mar 2015 #19
How are they a conflict of interest? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #20
The union isnt dedicated to serving the public, only its members Telcontar Mar 2015 #23
Yes. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #3
Yes, after they do away with ALL military equipment and 98% of their guns. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #5
Unionize, yes. Strike, no. (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #6
A rare thread win for Nye. KamaAina Mar 2015 #9
benevolent brotherhood of criminals or criminal protection league nt msongs Mar 2015 #8
I really don't know. I'd have to think about it. closeupready Mar 2015 #10
Only if it benefits society more than it benefits LEOs. Matterate Mar 2015 #14
Two issues are being conflated: labor organizing, and police accountability. Maedhros Mar 2015 #15
Bust ALL cop unions MohRokTah Mar 2015 #16
Absolutely. Everybody should be allowed to unionize. Chan790 Mar 2015 #21
Yes Marrah_G Mar 2015 #22
FDR and Coolidge where dead set against it. Dawson Leery Mar 2015 #24
Nope. hifiguy Mar 2015 #25
All workers deserve to unionize Warpy Mar 2015 #27
 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
2. I stand with FDR
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:14 PM
Mar 2015

Public servants should not be allowed to unionize. I think police unions are a big part of the problem with police these days.

riversedge

(70,174 posts)
26. Of course not. He gave them special status. I do like
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 07:17 PM
Mar 2015

that aspect. He killed the other public unions a few years ago and the private unions last week. sorry if I confused you.




stand with walker??

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
13. Welcome to America, you get to do that here.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:26 PM
Mar 2015

But what I bet is FDR is not the reason you oppose public unions.

I bet the reason you do is you have heard or know from personal experience that many have awesome salaries and benefit packages and some may even have it too good especially if you include their collective bargaining rights, right?

 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
19. Your post didnt deserve a good answer
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:43 PM
Mar 2015

This one does.

I think private sector unions are, in general, just fine. I wish my wife was able to join a union (nurse), but there is no drive to unionize her hospital.

I oppose public sector unions as they are a onflict of interest.

 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
23. The union isnt dedicated to serving the public, only its members
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:59 PM
Mar 2015

Public servants are the interface most members of the public have with their government. When their interests are held hostage (striking police for example), that seems wrong.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
5. Yes, after they do away with ALL military equipment and 98% of their guns.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:17 PM
Mar 2015

Otherwise we are protecting murderers.

Cant get rid of their guns you say because then only bad guys will have guns?

Guess what the solution to that is.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
10. I really don't know. I'd have to think about it.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:21 PM
Mar 2015

Not that it matters, as this question is purely rhetorical - as far as I know, police have the same rights to unionize as any other wage-earners.

Two things give me great pause - 1) they lean heavily Republican; and 2) Ferguson and all the other examples of police brutality of late.

 

Matterate

(34 posts)
14. Only if it benefits society more than it benefits LEOs.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:29 PM
Mar 2015

And I haven't seen any evidence that it does.

They are public servants and anything they do should have a positive effect on the public first. The concerns of public servants should always come in second.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
15. Two issues are being conflated: labor organizing, and police accountability.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:31 PM
Mar 2015

They are not necessarily intertwined.

Of course police officers should be able to unionize. However, police departments need much, much, much better oversight and officers must be held accountable for wrongdoing.

Right now we have one, but not the other.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
21. Absolutely. Everybody should be allowed to unionize.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:45 PM
Mar 2015

Unfortunately, my experience has been that the biggest impediment to organizing workers is often the lack of interest of existing unions to expanding into new sectors or being in any way supportive of anybody trying to organize workers they don't want to represent.

I used to work for a bank and I tried to unionize my fellow tellers...it failed because I got no support from organized labor; I couldn't find a union that would take us...so the bank picked us off (those of us trying to organize) one-by-one until we were all gone. That was the end of {redacted bank} unionization problem.

Why is organized labor so adamant against unionizing non-civil-service white-collar workers? Computer programmers, bank tellers, etc. You can't get a union to touch you if you want to organize your coworkers. You'd think with the slow-death of manufacturing and blue-collar work-sectors in the US they'd be jumping at the bit to organize the new workforce.

Warpy

(111,222 posts)
27. All workers deserve to unionize
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 07:21 PM
Mar 2015

because it's the only way they can begin to balance the power at the top.

I don't like what the police unions have become. I didn't like what the Teamsters became in Hoffa's day. Unions, like governments, need periodic cleanouts.

However, all workers need representation.

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