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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 02:11 PM Mar 2015

600 Students Expelled for Cheating on School Exams in India

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/600-students-expelled-for-cheating-on-school-exams-114126604867.html

About 600 high school students in eastern India have been expelled for cheating on pressure-packed 10th grade examinations this week, education authorities said Friday.

The incident has received widespread attention after Indian television footage showed parents and friends of students scaling the outer walls of school buildings to pass cheat sheets to students inside taking exams.

More than 1.4 million 10th graders are taking the tests at more than 1,200 high schools across the state. They face tremendous pressure because they must pass the exams to continue their education.

Teachers and state education department officials supervising the examination caught hundreds of students who had smuggled in text books or scraps of paper for cheating.




What's that you say? It can't happen here?
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600 Students Expelled for Cheating on School Exams in India (Original Post) KamaAina Mar 2015 OP
Of course it can happen here. There are many ways to cheat. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2015 #1
That's what I'm talkin' about. KamaAina Mar 2015 #2
Who exactly says it doesn't happen here? kiva Mar 2015 #3
But not quite on this scale. KamaAina Mar 2015 #5
What happens here is daredtowork Mar 2015 #4
"The anxiety over test-ranking and prestige school slots will bubble up as racism." KamaAina Mar 2015 #6
The myth that Harvard no longer accepts Asians daredtowork Mar 2015 #7
Back at Yale -- in the mid-'80s! -- a friend spoke of a "Gentlemen's Agreement" KamaAina Mar 2015 #8
Was it Japan then? daredtowork Mar 2015 #12
No, China KamaAina Mar 2015 #22
I bet we start seeing more laws being passed daredtowork Mar 2015 #24
This just blows my mind. cwydro Mar 2015 #9
600 students getting caught cheat may seem Jenoch Mar 2015 #10
600 *at that one school*. KamaAina Mar 2015 #11
we will continue to see this more and more world wide as we continue to make liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #13
The state education minister basically said "we can't stop them from cheating" Recursion Mar 2015 #14
It sounded honest JonLP24 Mar 2015 #19
Is that picture for real? romanic Mar 2015 #15
there is a lot of corruption and police, govt officials etc are easily paid off to not do anything JI7 Mar 2015 #16
It's on the front page of the Bombay Times Recursion Mar 2015 #20
yes. the video is online Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #25
It happens here a lot JonLP24 Mar 2015 #17
But not 600 at a time. KamaAina Mar 2015 #21
Geez...folks...with all due respect, you've got what?...25 people hanging off the side of a.... BlueJazz Mar 2015 #18
Is the school-to-prison pipeline coming to India? Trillo Mar 2015 #23
Nice! KamaAina Mar 2015 #26

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,308 posts)
1. Of course it can happen here. There are many ways to cheat.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 02:42 PM
Mar 2015

I wish there were some better way to evaluate students when they're ready to progress to the next level.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
3. Who exactly says it doesn't happen here?
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 03:13 PM
Mar 2015

Seriously, who exactly do you think is unaware that cheating has exploded in the last decade?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
5. But not quite on this scale.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 03:44 PM
Mar 2015

It's coming, though, unless we can somehow derail the standardized-testing train.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
4. What happens here is
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 03:20 PM
Mar 2015

Parents start to get paranoid about "Asians" who spend all their time studying getting all the slots in premiere colleges and better opportunities. They want to be able to let their own kids have what Americans have defines as an "adolescent lifestyle" with free time to play, socialize, engage in creative activities, find themselves - and definitely not explode from stress. They don't want to be forced into competition with people who don't adhere to those cultural norms and will win by working harder for those scarce opportunities. The anxiety over test-ranking and prestige school slots will bubble up as racism.

This racism was aimed at fear of Japanese children in the 80s, and it will be about Indian and Chinese children now. The flip side of the urban myth that Harvard has "too many Asians" so it's harder for them to apply is that white people (who aren't the legacies of billionaire donor parents...) wonder if Asians have taken up all the slots...and maybe it's time to "do something about". This is how legends of reverse racism start for the GOP - no statistics necessary.

Whenever there is a scarce prestige resource, it's wise to be as transparent and as blaringly public as possible about what the race and class breakdown of participation is at all times, with frequent reminders. Otherwise the anxieties will accumulate and racism will propagate as one of the defense mechanisms available to deal with those free-floating anxieties.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
6. "The anxiety over test-ranking and prestige school slots will bubble up as racism."
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 03:46 PM
Mar 2015

It already has. Witness the hysteria over the recent attempt in California to do away with Prop 209, which ended affirmative action in UC and CSU admissions. And a lot of it came from Asians, some of whom seem to like being overrepresented at UC just like whites do.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
7. The myth that Harvard no longer accepts Asians
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 09:27 PM
Mar 2015

was already budding back when I was in college. It's probably at a fever pitch now, especially with that Princeton Review(?) that advised Asians not to include their picture while advising black applicants to play up their race.

The pathetic thing is that this isn't even about the education the kids will receive: it's about the credential that will go on their resume and the expected career acceleration that will translate to later in life. Somehow standardized testing has become a smokescreen that hides the children who would most benefit from access to the world's best scholars.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
12. Was it Japan then?
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 12:21 AM
Mar 2015

I remember reading articles in the paper about all the angst over the fact Japanese students would spend quality time studying for tests, and "white" students wouldn't be able to compete because they wanted to spend that time playing football and schmoozing over keggers and stuff.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
24. I bet we start seeing more laws being passed
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 02:50 PM
Mar 2015

to "protect" educational institutions for the besieged white boy.

then jobs, next.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
9. This just blows my mind.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 10:56 PM
Mar 2015

No one cares anymore about learning.

Just getting to the next level.

So effing sad.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
10. 600 students getting caught cheat may seem
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:01 PM
Mar 2015

like a large number of students cheating. It comes to .0005 percent of those taking the test.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
13. we will continue to see this more and more world wide as we continue to make
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 12:27 AM
Mar 2015

education a for profit business and allow our our public school system be destroyed. Now, it is just converting a public sector into a private sector which Democrats are going along with. Next, it will be politicians rolling back compulsory education laws so that only the rich can go to school at all. Will the Democrats continue to go along for the ride when that happens?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. The state education minister basically said "we can't stop them from cheating"
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 12:44 AM
Mar 2015

It was a pretty weird, rambling speech but he wound up essentially saying "we'll never really prevent cheating in Bihar".

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
19. It sounded honest
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 06:44 AM
Mar 2015

It would be similar to a Police Commissioner or a Drug Czar saying we can't stop the flow of drugs -- we can certainly try but we'll never really stop the supply. Local sources can be stamped out but the Cartels & international drug organizations have it covered. With bribe money as the leading expense the implies border agents, law enforcement, courts, etc. Mexico is bought as well as the threat of violence from a power more powerful than government -- with Mexico or several places -- if they are feeling from corruption, armed conflict, police states you can build a wall, more patrols, more boats, more border agents it won't stop people from fleeing the places they're coming from, plus the Cartels easily get their supply in no matter what is thrown at them.

John McCain and his "build the dang fence" obsession, called for & was successful in asking for more border agents RIGHT F*CKING NOW (not a McCain quote but same idea basically) which meant that corners were cut in employing & training more, background checks were short-cuted which meant Border Patrol Agents Cartels can easily find to bribe. In addition to what is confiscated, bribes are the leading expense & drug trafficking organizations pay millions & probably billions but in comparison to the profits...

This is a completely different issue but it highlights the reality side-effect. You can put someone that has tough rhetoric talks a good game, throws resources & people at stopping it, show that they're serious but with cheating a common occurrence when it comes future employment opportunities it is weird in those tasked over departments with those problems don't first address it with honesty. Anyone who speaks with certainty in promising to eradicate issues such as those 2 & possibly others is telling lies.

To eradicate it would be to take the risks, stakes, costs, & pressure out of higher education. Unlikely? So is preventing cheating.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
15. Is that picture for real?
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 05:59 AM
Mar 2015

I mean, how could you not see that many kids climbing the sides of the school out in the open? They're not playing during recess or anything, what else would they be doing? :/

JI7

(89,182 posts)
16. there is a lot of corruption and police, govt officials etc are easily paid off to not do anything
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 06:04 AM
Mar 2015

i think it's only because of the wide and easy use of cameras and getting it into media that they were expelled.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. It's on the front page of the Bombay Times
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 08:22 AM
Mar 2015

The native-language papers haven't picked it up as much (I think it was page 3 of the local Marathi daily), but then again Bihar is the other side of the country from here and the native-language dailies mostly stick with local news.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
17. It happens here a lot
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 06:23 AM
Mar 2015

75%-98% percent of college students surveyed each year admit to cheating at some time in their academic careers
The college students who are most likely to cheat are engineering and business majors

(Source: NoCheating.org)
Cheating to Pass or Cheating to Get Ahead?

The number of students admitting to cheating has increased significantly over the last 60 years, and students aren't just cheating to pass, they're cheating to get ahead.

According to a survey by the Josephson Institute of Ethics of 12,000 high school students, 74% admitted to cheating on an exam at some point during the past year to get ahead (www.josephsoninstitute.org).

<snip>

These results paint a grim picture of today's youth, and it makes many wonder whether the students who are willing to cheat are willing to commit other unethical deeds to get ahead in life.
Cheating Isn't Limited to Students

Of course, students aren't the only ones who are cheating nowadays. Teachers and administrators have also been caught plumping grades and most recently, cheating on standardized tests required by the No Child Left Behind Law.

According to the San Francisco Chronicle, 123 public schools in California have been caught cheating on No Child tests in the last three years. Approximately two-thirds of the schools admitted to cheating when questioned about their test results.

http://study.com/articles/75_to_98_Percent_of_College_Students_Have_Cheated.html

With a lot of things or anything really, you can set up a system, enact a reform, a policy and there will be a reality side-effect to it. No Child Left Behind is just BS privatization marketing but hypothetically if the intentions were as the title describes, it created a design where reality reacted to it.

The Visas go those on the higher end of India's income bracket while the US Department of Defends imports, traffics, abuses, enslaves those on the bottom part of India & they trick them to do it with the bait & switch & recruiting fees but this was SOP in Arabia, Qatar, & Kuwait for years. The CEO of Halliburton loved their idea. Obama writes an executive (including stating the US long standing "zero tolerance" regarding labor abuses such as this) criminalizes when I mention above but it still goes on. Journalists asking them if they paid a recruiting fee terifies them & if they "yes" on the screening question they are terminated & out the thousands in recruiting fees selling 2x or 3x the pay in a hotel in Dubai instead of serving food inside Camp Anaconda.

Say the Visa goes to someone in between or closer to where the TCN is at -- most people -- not-to-mention the prisoner's dilemma of competing or education scores rated in an environment with many others cheating & the future contrasted with the reality of failure most of us here would cheat. I drove a taxi, had drunk students had me their credit cards -- one handing me his card after his friends prepaid. Did not rip one off, there are lines when it comes to personal gain & others expense I will not cross but I'd probably cheat, especially if I knew the material but life circumstances happened and a passing grade is at-risk. I only had a taste but I'd be so afraid to going all-in because I may fail or depression, robbery, or something -- the time, the money -- college textbooks are expensive but for some reason mostly become worthless and obsolete -- especially in computer courses. A publisher in the college textbook industry is a very lucrative career because students are pretty much required to purchase. Oops, getting on off-topic stuff, my point was made.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
18. Geez...folks...with all due respect, you've got what?...25 people hanging off the side of a....
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 06:30 AM
Mar 2015

...building and you don't think anybody will notice ??

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
23. Is the school-to-prison pipeline coming to India?
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 01:28 PM
Mar 2015

Seems like the punishment is a bit disproportionate to the offense. Cheating is how the richest get theirs.

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