Think you can wash off any Roundup carcinogen that might be in your GMO's? Think again.

[pnwmom]

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Enjoy your pesticides with your Roundup-proofed GMO's tonight. They've been designed by scientists to perfectly complement each other. According to Monsanto, Roundup gets absorbed by the leaves and spreads throughout the plant. Yum!

And Roundup is just an herbicide, perfectly safe for all ages in ANY amount, right?



Oops -- forgot to mention. The researchers with the World Health Organization say it's a probable carcinogen.

But only sissies in Europe worry about mere probable carcinogens. Not scientific-minded 'Muricans. As long as babies aren't being born with two heads, we're fine with anything Monsanto engineers up.



And if those elitist Europeans or silly Asians don't want our pesticide-laden GMO foods, then we'll get them to sign a trade agreement and shove it down their throats. 'Cause that's the 'Murican way.

http://www.monsanto.com/products/pages/frequently-asked-questions.aspx

Roundup PROMAX®
Q: How does Roundup PROMAX® herbicide work?

A: The active ingredient in Roundup PROMAX herbicide is glyphosate, the common name for N-(phosphonomethyl) glycine. It inhibits an enzyme that is essential to formation of specific essential amino acids in plants. Roundup PROMAX is absorbed into green leaves or green stems of treated vegetation. Once there, glyphosate moves or "translocates" throughout the plant. Obvious signs of treatment may not be visible for one to four days in annual weeds and up to seven days or more in perennials. Visible effects include gradual wilting, yellowing - followed by complete browning, deterioration of plant tissue and ultimate decomposition of the underground roots and rhizomes. Since Roundup works only on plants that have emerged through the soil, it will not affect seeds below the soil surface that have not yet sprouted.

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2015/03/20/WHO-agency-Popular-weed-killer-a-probable-carcinogen/4091426882566/

PARIS, March 20 (UPI) -- The most popular herbicide worldwide, glyphosate, probably causes cancer in humans, the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer found.

IARC, the French-based cancer research department of WHO, released its findings Friday after studying the carcinogenicity of five insecticides and herbicides.

The study classified glyphosate, which is found in weed killers like Roundup, and insecticides malathion and diazinon, as probably carcinogenic to humans.

SNIP

Glyphosate, though, "currently has the highest global production volume of all herbicides," an IARC news release said.

"The agricultural use of glyphosate has increased sharply since the development of crops that have been genetically modified to make them resistant to glyphosate," the release said. "Glyphosate is also used in forestry, urban and home applications.

[Major Nikon]

1. You will never be able to wash off all pesticides

Most of them are inherent to the plant itself regardless of whether any supplemental pesticides are used. Supplemental pesticides used will always be present when you measure in parts per million or billion. That's why the government sets safe residue levels for synthetic pesticides, but curiously gives a pass to ones used by the organic industry, even though they are typically used at much higher levels since they tend to be less effective. Copper sulfate is one of the most commonly used organic pesticides and is pretty nasty shit compared to glyphosate.
http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicrotophos/copper-sulfate-ext.html

Those researchers you mentioned in the WHO listed glyphosate as a "possible carcinogen" for people who apply it, not for the general public, and curiously their "research" was based on no new information and flies in the face of pretty much every regulatory entity in the world based on the same information.

[pnwmom]

2. It is true that regulations allow the use of copper sulfate, an essential trace mineral,

as an organic pesticide in regulated amounts. Most organic farmers prefer to use other means of controlling fungi but it is legal.

Where is your evidence that organic farmers, despite regulation and oversight, use copper sulfate in excessive amounts?

[RobertEarl]

7. heh

Major talks about pesticides when round-up is an herbicide so right off the bat he's talking in circles. Par for the course for pseudo-science mongers.

Then major really flies over the moon talking about organics.

Is it any use at all trying to talk to that type?

[RufusTFirefly]

34. Besides, everyone knows that Olde Europe is teeming with hysterical types.

Nobody knows better than America!

[Major Nikon]

41. You funny

What is a pesticide?
A pesticide is any substance or mixture of substances intended for:

preventing,
destroying,
repelling, or
mitigating any pest.
Though often misunderstood to refer only to insecticides, the term pesticide also applies to herbicides, fungicides, and various other substances used to control pests.

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/about/

[RobertEarl]

51. It is unfortunate

The EPA has to appeal to the lowest common denominator. IOW, science for dummies.

Around ten years ago came the suggestion that co2 be called an air pollutant. Now, after that lengthy period of time and after the EPA said the air was safe around the Twin Towers demolition on 9/11, the EPA is trying to convince the dummies that co2 is indeed an air pollutant. Progress!!

If you want to call round up a pesticide then you may also consider water to be a pesticide since water also kills pests?

Round up and round up ready is meant to kill weeds. Of course it also kills butterflies and bees - because it is a poison. Problem is it is systemic in the plants and is ingested when plants are eaten. The not so non-American dummies that the EPA has to put up with - meaning Europeans - consider the poison to be a carcinogen and the EPA is, as always, about ten years late.

Heh, when will monsatan be coming up with GMO round up ready humans?

[Major Nikon]

53. Keep going

This is good

[eridani]

54. Whether CO2 is a pollutant or not depends on its concentration

You probably wouldn't want to be in a closed room with the air consisting of 50% CO2. Although I think the EPA was probably thinking of its effect in promoting global warming.

[RobertEarl]

58. EPA is calling co2 an air pollutant

They finally got some friggin guts. And are now going to regulate it. A hundreds years late, but hey, science for dummies and all that.

Americans are idiots and the EPA works for them, so it is no surprise they would confuse themselves and the public by calling round up something besides what it was created to do: kill weeds. Sure, it kills all kinds of stuff and for some people any weed is a pest, so for those backwards dummies anything like round up can be called whatever. F'n EPA wimps. It's like EPA is known as in some circles: Environmental Polluters Agency. You do know they give permits, PERMITS, I TELL YOU! .... permission to pollute. Now we have a concentration of co2 that was permitted to be emitted and now we have AGW. Good f'n job EPA, way to f'n go. Dummies are happy tho, so there is that.

[KT2000]

63. the word pesticide

is also used as a generic term to describe herbicides, fungicides and pesticides. EPA has defined it as such.

[RobertEarl]

67. Yep

Dumbing it down for dummies has worked so well, hasn't it?

Hey, EPA has just now determined that co2 is an air pollutant they better do something about. Pesticide could be a hammer. It could be milk. I guess if you used a hammer to beat your plants it could also be called a herbicide?

Heck why not just stick with life killing poison and be done with all these extra names? I know why, life killing poison being sprayed on plants you eat might cause some dummies to get upset!! Can't do that!! Have to be careful.

Do you note a bit of bitter sarcasm in my words? Maybe it is because the EPA has, over its lifetime, allowed the environment to be massacred? Ya think that's why I have a problem with what the EPA might claim about this life killing poisoning of the planet?

Monsanto calls their poison a herbicide. Sad to say they are even more honest then than the EPA wrt to this life killing poison.

ETA: major started this by climbing the fence and roaming away from the topic and sadly I followed him and you and the others off into this mish-mash bullshit. I apologize for going off topic. Of course Roundup is a pesticide.... it kills everything!! Duh!! And now we eat it!! And the EPA is like, uh well, yeah, it's deadly and it kills everything!! Yall happy now?

[Major Nikon]

69. Roundup is a pesticide now, evidently

But only for dumb people because hammers and waters are also pesticides. In fact, all pesticides are for dummies because they are life killing poison while the peoples are being massacred

or something like that

And now your previous non-knowledge is all my fault because I made you climb some fence and school me for mongering non-pseudo-science.

Yes, I am happy to the point of hysterics. Please continue.

[KT2000]

78. just to be clear -

it was just a semantics issue I usually have with people who are pro-corporate killers for profit, as in Monsanto. Groups that are against these poisons, such as Northwest Coalition Against Pesticides uses the generic term also. I probably jumped in at the wrong place.

As a chemically injured person myself I learned the corruption of this industry starting in 1994. I learned that poisons do no harm, EPA, AMA, the courts, and health departments stand by that and they are supported by a multitude of front groups, think tanks, the power of corporations and the minions who are "only doing their jobs."
I believe there are paid trolls on this site who are front and center anytime their beloved poisons are insulted. As a scientist as the ATSDR told me - when you are fighting this, they will take the position that they are promoting science but in fact the issue is really common sense. I try to ignore them on this site - to me they are like FAUX news and take delight in creating anger. Toxic people promoting toxic products.

[bvar22]

81. "Toxic people promoting toxic products. "

[Major Nikon]

84. What about this guy....

https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/203188108697677824

[upaloopa]

103. Dummies?

[upaloopa]

102. Just counting the personal attacks in this thread

1

[Major Nikon]

22. I'm not claiming they use them in "excessive" amounts

I'm saying they have to use more of them because they are less effective than their synthetic counterparts. "excessive" implies they are using more than what's considered safe and I'm not suggesting that. What I'm saying is that if you are trying to make the argument about substances which are harmful in large amounts must also be unsafe in small amount, then that opens up a pandora's box that certainly isn't limited to conventional farming.

Two of the most common organic pesticides, copper and sulfur, are used as fungicides by organic growers. Because they are not as effective as their synthetic counterparts, they are applied at significantly higher rates. This is disturbing because both sulfur and copper have greater environmental toxicity than their synthetic counterparts.

http://www.wpi.edu/News/TechNews/010403/organic.shtml

I don't know where you come up with this statement:

Most organic farmers prefer to use other means of controlling fungi but it is legal.

In the segments of organic agriculture where copper sulfate is effective, it is quite commonly used and has been for about the last 100 years or so.

[sabrina 1]

16. Didn't you mean 'curiously gives a pass to Monsanto? JUST LABEL THE FOOD!

WE will decide, not the government or Monsanto.

The fight AGAINST something so basic tells me that they are terrified that once people know what they are putting in the food supply, their profit margins are likely to be severely affected.

[Major Nikon]

24. No

[sabrina 1]

44. No? Since when did you get to tell people what to eat? They WILL have to do it sooner or later

More and more nations are banning GMOs and at a faster rate than ever before.

Meantime, more and more people simply won't buy unlabeled food.

[Major Nikon]

48. Then yes

Or fill in the blank with whatever you want as you already have been. Have fun with it, but I ain't playin'

Cheers!

[fasttense]

90. Round Up is causing an epidemic of kidney failure

Most kidney doctors are seeing a large increase in kidney problems. Mark my words in 10 years Monsanto will be fighting in courts all over the world to defend itself from charges that Round Up caused kidney failure and Monsanto executives knew it and failed to warn customers.

Monsanto is going to end up just like the tobacco corporations and lung cancer. Except in Monsanto's case it will be kidney failure.

Did you know Round Up binds with heavy metals preventing the liver from cleaning them out. Then the heavy metals go to the kidneys to deteriorate the organ.

[Major Nikon]

94. Interesting

But only in the sense of how unsubstantiated ideologically driven hypotheses magically transform into facts.

[fasttense]

100. Which only goes to show you

how incomplete your research on Round Up and GMOs is.

http://grist.org/news/is-monsantos-roundup-linked-to-a-deadly-kidney-disease/
Is Monsanto’s Roundup linked to a deadly kidney disease?

http://ecowatch.com/2014/02/26/study-connects-monsantos-roundup-to-fatal-kidney-disease-epidemic/

ww.inquisitr.com/1151998/monsantos-roundup-ready-linked-to-kidney-disease-study/


Right now Monsanto is scrambling to keep the epidemic quiet. But as the problem grows in America and more and more people are going on dialysis (Big money for the medical community.) It's going to be common knowledge. Just like there were fools who claimed smoking did NOT cause cancer, there are fools who will forever believe GMOs and Round Up have nothing to do with why they are currently on dialysis.

Amazing how the American people are so willing to risk their lives so some huge corporation can make more money by poisoning them.

[Major Nikon]

105. Both your posts demonstrate you can't tell the difference between hypothesis and fact

All of your links point back to the same study which has already been debunked and demonstrates how little you've read on the subject. Even if it hadn't been, the very best you've done is demonstrate you can't tell the difference between a hypothesis and fact. The paper you are quoting is clearly labeled as a hypothesis and not even a good one as it offers no plausible causal mechanism and even the correlative data is shit as CKDu appeared long before glyphosate existed. It's published in an obscure journal that nobody reads and the authors based their "hypothesis" on zero actual research on the subject.

Meanwhile the people who actually have been researching the subject for years discount any such link, citing numerous other likely causal factors.

Reported urine glyphosate (and AMPA) levels in CKDu cases (Jayatilake et a, 2013l) are far below levels suggesting an exposure capable of inducing chronic toxic effects in animals and 96.5% of CKDu cases had glyphosate levels below the stated reference limit in urine.

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2369/14/180

[MohRokTah]

3. There is no roundup residue on any GMO corn, so you're safe there. eom

[pnwmom]

8. Not ON the corn. It's IN the corn, if you believe Monsanto. n/t

[MohRokTah]

9. It is not "in the corn".

GMO corn carries no residue of pesticides or herbicides.

Not one bit.

It's GMO soy beans you need to be concerned about where glyphosate is concerned.

[RobertEarl]

10. MoRo

Give it up. You don't know what you are talking about. You are just embarrassing yourself now. Delete your posts before you go any further, eh?

[MohRokTah]

12. I know what the fuck I'm talking about.

Corn is the least of anybody's concerns when it comes to herbicides and pesticides.

The husks protect the seed from having any residue.

Learn something about agriculture and get back to me.

[pnwmom]

14. The leaves absorb the Roundup and from there it goes to the rest of the plant.

But don't believe me. Believe Monsanto.

[MohRokTah]

19. I don't believe you

I believe science.

Corn is the least of concerns when it comes to pesticides and herbicides.

[sabrina 1]

45. I don't believe you, and I certainly don't believe Monsanto.

[pnwmom]

57. The argument that some plants absorb even more Roundup does nothing to prove Roundup safe. n/t

[RobertEarl]

15. Doubling down are you?

I give you good advice and you deny it?

Read the OP again... apparently for the first time. Even monsatan says it is IN the plant. Geez, what will you deny next?

[RobertEarl]

25. You deny the actual science?

And go off of some rant? Wow. Just wow.

The science is that round up is absorbed and circulates in the plants it is applied to. It is poison to the plants.

The GMO round up ready plants are engineered to not allow the round up to kill them.

Next thing monsatan will come up with is round up ready humans?

[MohRokTah]

26. The actual science is the herbicides NEVER end up in the seeds

Seeds are what we eat.

The OP is hyperbolic bullshit.

[RobertEarl]

32. Nice imagination you have there

Not in the seeds? What, you believe that magic happens and the plant doesn't allow the round up to go in the seeds? Everything else goes into the seeds but not the round up?

Like I says, nice imagination you have there. You should maybe stay away from science, it may be bad for you?

[MohRokTah]

35. Cling to your anit-science thoughts.

I'm sure they will keep you warm at night.

[RobertEarl]

38. anit-science?

Yeah, sure, just a typo. Cut you some slack there.

But your pseudo-science rants are not funny.

I take back what I said about your having a nice imagination. It isn't nice at all.

[pnwmom]

37. Yeah, it's just like how the placenta protects the growing fetus from any damage

from Thalidomide, or whatever. That magic barrier.

The whole corn plant could be contaminated, but not the kernels.



Except -- wait -- the Monsanto scientist says the "residue" does get to the kernels. But no worries. It's always a "low" amount.


https://gmoanswers.com/ask/how-long-does-glyphosate-remain-roundup-ready-corn-after-it-applied

By: Donna Farmer, Ph.D., Chemistry Stewardship Lead, Monsanto Company on Thursday, 3/27/2014 7:59 pm

Most glyphosate applications in Roundup Ready corn occur before the corn kernels start to develop; therefore, very little glyphosate is present in the kernels, so residues in the kernels are low.

[RobertEarl]

40. It's MoRo magic!

I'm done here. I hate beating dead horses. Thanks for the thread Mom

[BeanMusical]

99. That poster is back on vacation.

[pa28]

31. Yes, you seem to be an expert in many, many things.

[MohRokTah]

36. .

[pa28]

65. Whaaat? I really enjoyed your informed opinion on why an FCC net neutrality ruling was impossible.

[Major Nikon]

42. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026393541#post7

[Trajan]

46. You seem to be REALLY REALLY REALLY smart about this subject area ...

Please explain your bona fides here, so we can all understand your clear authority on the subject matter ...

[cui bono]

56. S/he can't. S/he's been put on yet another time out.

I saw the user name and wondered how they got back on here so quickly, and poof! they're already gone again. It'll be another 2.5 months before they can answer you.

[pa28]

60. Gosh, that's a big loss.

We'll be robbed of that poster's bullet-proof expertise on issues ranging from telecommunications law to agronomy.

[cui bono]

75. Not to mention their calling for a pulitzer prize journalist to be hanged.

About a dozen times in one thread, complete with expletive name calling. How they survived MIRT is... well is not beyond me I guess.

Three hides in one thread, would have been 3x more except s/he went on a self-delete rampage after s/he saw the effects of her/his tantrum.

[pnwmom]

13. Monsanto says it's IN the corn. It gets absorbed through the leaves and "translocates"

throughout the plant.

I've seen corn plants. They have leaves.

http://www.monsanto.com/products/pages/frequently-asked-questions.aspx

Roundup PROMAX®
Q: How does Roundup PROMAX® herbicide work?

A: The active ingredient in Roundup PROMAX herbicide is glyphosate, the common name for N-(phosphonomethyl) glycine. It inhibits an enzyme that is essential to formation of specific essential amino acids in plants. Roundup PROMAX is absorbed into green leaves or green stems of treated vegetation. Once there, glyphosate moves or "translocates" throughout the plant. Obvious signs of treatment may not be visible for one to four days in annual weeds and up to seven days or more in perennials. Visible effects include gradual wilting, yellowing - followed by complete browning, deterioration of plant tissue and ultimate decomposition of the underground roots and rhizomes. Since Roundup works only on plants that have emerged through the soil, it will not affect seeds below the soil surface that have not yet sprouted.

http://www.meridian.k12.il.us/Middle%20School/student_work/Illinois%20Agriculture/corn.html

[MohRokTah]

23. IT does not end up in the seeds

which is the part we eat.

[pnwmom]

27. Yes, it ends up in the kernels. The only question is whether you believe Monsanto that the levels are always very low.

But Monsanto acknowledges that it ends up in the edible part of corn.

[MohRokTah]

28. No, it doesn't. eom

[pnwmom]

30. So you think this Monsanto PhD is lying?

https://gmoanswers.com/ask/how-long-does-glyphosate-remain-roundup-ready-corn-after-it-applied

By: Donna Farmer, Ph.D., Chemistry Stewardship Lead, Monsanto Company on Thursday, 3/27/2014 7:59 pm

Most glyphosate applications in Roundup Ready corn occur before the corn kernels start to develop; therefore, very little glyphosate is present in the kernels, so residues in the kernels are low.


So, in your opinion, she's lying about there being residues, but telling the truth about them being low?

[Major Nikon]

47. Low as in statistically negligible

If you want to count in parts per billion, you can find just about anything. Don't forget you're talking about a substance that has a lower toxicity level than salt, so this entire thread seems to be concerned with something that doesn't add up to a hill of beans.

[pnwmom]

50. According to Monsanto. But the FDA doesn't measure it, so we're just supposed to trust Monsanto.

Fine. You trust them.

But I'd like some labeling.

P.S. As I noted in the OP, the WHO has just labeled glyphosphate as a "probable carcinogen." Is that what they say about salt, too?

[Major Nikon]

55. You don't have to trust Monsanto

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Unlike organic pesticides, synthetic pesticides have regulatory legal residual levels.

You do have to trust people who apply organic pesticides.

P.S. As I noted in the OP, the WHO has just labeled glyphosphate as a "probable carcinogen." Is that what they say about salt, too?

http://www.nature.com/bjc/press_releases/p_r_jan04_6601511.html

[uppityperson]

66. Thanks for the interesting article on carcinogenic properties of salt. That is new to me.

I have one quibble, I think you meant "inorganic" for the second, not "organic" twice. Unlike organic pesticides, organic pesticides

[Major Nikon]

68. Yep, typo

But synthetic is what I meant

[G_j]

49. well that is comforting

The simplest, healthiest, most intelligent solution? End the use of Roundup.

[A Simple Game]

52. So even if it doesn't end up in the seed, you do acknowledge that it is in the plant?

Have you ever been on or near a cattle farm? We don't have very many beef farms where I live but we do have a lot of dairy farms. Do you know what one of the main sources of feed is for dairy and beef cattle? Corn, and not just the kernels the whole plant minus the roots, acres and acres of it. Can you tell us if there is any accumulation of Roundup in the flesh and or milk of cattle? Pigs also are fed corn products.

How about ethanol? Most gas, at least where I live is 10% ethanol. Does the production and/or burning of ethanol transfer glyphosate to the atmosphere? How about liquor? Can it be transferred by touching plastics that are made from corn?

Corn is a lot more than that can of corn or corn flakes, lots more.

[sabrina 1]

18. Sure, which is why it is being banned in more and more countries every year.

It's IN the corn. But as people have said, you are free to eat whatever you want, just don't push it on those who don't want to eat GMOs.

[Rex]

77. Since we covet money over life in America, we will be one of the last to ban anything

that can be dangerous to us. Just like fracking, we seem to want our own destruction. As long as it brings in revenue.

[classykaren]

82. It is in the seed does not wash out

[fasttense]

104. Of course there is. The Round Up is absorbed by the GMO corn plant.

[RiverLover]

4. Well, we do have an over-population problem...

Corporate farming & GMOs & Bayer & Monsanto all suck. But even they can't suck off the poison they're feeding us.

Great post, pnwmom! Thank you!!

[Cha]

74. Like they care.. "just suck it up and don't expect us to label our gmo products.. we'll spend

billion$ to make sure we don't."

[G_j]

5. K&R

good information.

[DeSwiss]

6. It's not just the glyphosate.......

...it's the whole farming methodology. It's all wrong and it always was. It was designed by the Duponts, the Fords and Rockefellers and other elites to make money by applying the industrial methods they'd developed to improve and reduce costs in their other manufacturing businesses, and then applied them to us, their working livestock.

We can't keep poking and pecking away at this shit trying to improve it and take the bad out. It's all bad because the foundation is based upon not feeding people but making money off them as easily as they can. This wreck of a system needs to be wiped away completely and replaced with scientifically proven methods that work for the betterment of humanity and not for increasing the size of the fucking bank accounts of these mutant elites.

- We need to start over with the farming......

K&R

[center]

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[RiverLover]

11. YES! Hell yes!

If only we were running things, it would be done. If only our elected leaders represented people over corporations, it would be done.

[DeSwiss]

21. And since we're not running things, and they won't represent people......

...then a system in which both those things can happen is what we need to create.

- No pointing in beating a dead horse, right?

[Chathamization]

79. I like this one too

also stumbled across this one while looking for it which seems relevant:

[DeSwiss]

93. WHOA!

Have the first, but I love that 2nd one!!!

It. Is. So. True!!!

- It needs to be made into a video, saying that very thing......

[Omaha Steve]

17. Great post

K&R!

[RufusTFirefly]

29. Obligatory red herring post about grafting fruit trees

(This is a recording)

[ND-Dem]

33. k&R

[valerief]

39. What Would Jesus Eat? His wine and loaves trick, was that GMOed? nt

[Major Nikon]

61. Since GMOs are "playing god" it's the same

Not to mention Jesus's clear attempt to corner the wine and bread market is no different than Big Ag.

[pa28]

43. K&R. We need labeling and enforcement so we can make this choice for ourselves. n/t

[immoderate]

59. Uh-huh!

--imm

[workinclasszero]

62. There you go again lefties

Trying to block the freedumb of American big business to poison us all for profit!

See this is why we have to ship all the jobs to China dictatorship for freedumb!

Er...sorry Chinese people.

[KT2000]

64. Great post!

and thanks for posting this.

[dgibby]

70. The only way we'll ever get rid of this stuff

is to convince Rethuglicans that it causes homosexuality and abortions.

[DeSwiss]

71. Now that you mention it.....

[dgibby]

76. I rest my case!

Thanks for posting. Very interesting. I'm sure the Rethug response would be to outlaw the meds, not clean up the water. Grrr!

[pansypoo53219]

72. can we TRY hand weeding again?

[Cha]

73. Of course you can't.. it goes into the produce.. it only make sense. I've known that for years.

Mahalo pnwmom

[whereisjustice]

80. But moderates claim that we don't have any reason to care about what's in our food suppply...

and, besides, if we don't like it, we should stop whining and form our own investment bank or corporate monopoly to influence legislation.

[blondie58]

83. I don't Trust Anything from the Makers of

AGENT orange, jmho,

[Major Nikon]

86. Do you trust...

JFK, who actually authorized production of Agent Orange? How about Ziploc bags, Saran wrap, Styrofoam, numerous polystyrene, polyethylene, polypropylene, and latex products, epoxy, Michelin tires, and hundreds of other things made by the numerous other companies that produced Agent Orange (from the government provided specifications). In fact, you have less reason to trust those things, because unlike the other companies, Monsanto actually warned the government about the dangers before it ever started producing it.
http://books.google.com/books?id=waTdqLYCyPMC&pg=PA17#v=onepage&q&f=false

[Dont call me Shirley]

85. Does anyone know if the Monsatan family's genetics is rooted in the Machiavelli family?

[pnwmom]

88. That's what it was designed for.

It wasn't meant originally for human consumption -- the glyphosphate-resistant GMO's were invented later.

[Botany]

91. It is designed to be taken up by the plant and it is also made to break down w/in days.

An herbicide that is made to kill plants? OMFG!


One of the biggest problems facing the environment is non native invasive plants and glyphosate
allows people doing ecological restoration work to remove those plants and replace them them
w/native ones and this in turn helps monarchs, wood thrushes, trilliums, and lots of other things
that are supposed to be part of the natural ecology.

But please enjoy your chemical free "wild areas" of buckthorn, honeysuckle, burning bush, Norway
Maple, barberry, day lily, and purple leaf winter creeper.

[pnwmom]

92. Roundup wasn't designed to be used on food crops.

That use came later, after they engineered GMO's to withstand glyphosphate.

And yes, Roundup is intended to kill the plants (originally, just weeds) it's sprayed on -- and it does kill them, except for GMO's and other plants that are glyphosphate resistant.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1605344/monsanto-suggests-roundup-herbicide-treatment-for-many-crops-right-before-harvest-not-just-roundup-ready-gmos/

Monsanto has genetically modified several crops to be RoundUp resistant. This means that the herbicide RoundUp can be sprayed on the crops and the crops will not die.

[Botany]

95. "This means that the herbicide RoundUp can be sprayed on the crops and the crops will not die."

thank you I did not know that.

[Major Nikon]

96. Which certainly doesn't mean it wasn't later tested and approved for that purpose

Not to mention, most (if not all) states have licensing requirements for the commercial application of synthetic pesticides to insure compliance with state and federal regulations.

Quite different are pesticides approved for use under the National Organic Program, many (if not most) of which allow for unlicensed and unregulated application. So if you are all hung up on designed or approved use of pesticides, that might be a good place to start digging. You might be surprised at what you find.

[pnwmom]

97. The USDA regulates organic farming, including the use of approved pesticides.

http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/nop

Welcome to the National Organic Program

USDA Organic Seal
What is organic?
Organic is a labeling term that indicates that the food or other agricultural product has been produced through approved methods that integrate cultural, biological, and mechanical practices that foster cycling of resources, promote ecological balance, and conserve biodiversity. Synthetic fertilizers, sewage sludge, irradiation, and genetic engineering may not be used. Consumer Information.


Our Mission
Ensuring the integrity of USDA organic products in the U.S. and throughout the world. About Us + Reports | USDA Organic Seal

Organic Standards
Regulations and guidance on certification, production, handling, and labeling of USDA organic products. Learn more.
Organic Regulations | Reglamentos Orgánicos Estadounidenses (PDF) | Program Handbook | Manual de Programa Orgánicos (PDF) | Draft Guidance | Rulemaking & Notices
National List & Petitioned Substances


National Organic Standards Board
Members of the organic community appointed to advise USDA on substances and other regulatory topics. Learn more.
Recommendations | Meetings | Members

Organic Certification & Accreditation
Third-party agents around the world certify operations to USDA organic standards. Learn more.
List of Certified Operations | List of Certifying Agents
Get Certified | Cost Share | USDA Services | Training


Info for: Organic Operations | Certifying Agents
State Organic Program | International Trade Partners

Compliance & Enforcement
Protecting integrity of USDA organic products through enforcement actions for non-compliance. Learn more.
File a Complaint | Appeal a Certifier or USDA Decision
Appeals Archive | Temporary Variances | Fraudulent Certificates

[Major Nikon]

98. Sure they do

The NOP publishes requirements to obtain organic certification. That's pretty much all they do. If you think the NOP requires testing, certification, and licensing of commercial pesticide purchase and application the same way synthetic pesticides do, you are sadly mistaken.

[Pooka Fey]

101. K&R

[Cha]

106. KIck as a PSA