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RandySF

(58,768 posts)
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 12:53 AM Mar 2015

So glad I'm not in Third Grade anymore.

Son cam home with a good report card, but man what a price he paid for it. Dead tired every evening with about 20 minutes of labor-intesive homework. Photosynthesis? I ha no idea what that was until at least 5th grade. Algebra? You've got to be kidding. And to what end? It's not like anyone gets a job on merit anymore. I feel sorry for kids these days.

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Quantess

(27,630 posts)
3. Although... I wonder what classifies as kindergarten algebra and geometry?
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 09:02 AM
Mar 2015

I would assume it is at an extremely basic level.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
7. At kindergarten level, it should pe really basic
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 05:18 AM
Mar 2015

I'm thinking addition, subtraction, shapes and number concepts. Are they calling it algebra and geometry just to impress parents?

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
8. Most kindergarteners haven't developmentally achieved the simple understanding
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 06:02 AM
Mar 2015

that five pennies spread out on a table is the same number as five pennies pushed close together.

Until they reach that understanding -- which is a developmental step, not something taught -- other number concepts are a waste of time.

I would like to think they're only calling kindergarten work "algebra" and "geometry" to impress adults -- but they're doing so many other stupid things in school these days. So who knows?

http://educationnext.org/much-too-early/

Those who believe in academic training for very young children make a fundamental error: They fail to recognize that there are different levels of understanding in math and reading. Learning to identify numbers and letters is far different from learning to perform mathematical operations and to read with understanding. This is easy to support. “Sesame Street” has run for more than 30 years. Children today know their numbers and letters earlier than ever before. Many know them by age two. Yet children today are not learning math or reading any earlier or better than did children before there was “Sesame Street.” Learning the names of numbers and letters is only the first step in the attainment of true numerical understanding and reading comprehension.

Take the concept of numbers. The three levels of numerical understanding—nominal, ordinal, and interval—correspond to different forms of scaling. Nominal numbering is the use of a number as a name, such as the numbers basketball players wear on their uniforms. By the age of two or three, children can use numbers in the nominal sense. By the age of four or five, children can begin to use ordinal numbers; they can order things according to quantitative differences. For instance, they can arrange a series of size-graded blocks or sticks from the smallest to the largest. Once the arrangement is complete, however, they are not able to insert a new, intermediate-sized element into the perceptual array.

It is only at age six or seven, when they have attained what Piaget calls “concrete operations,” that children can construct the concept of a “unit,” the basis for understanding the idea of interval numbers. To attain the unit concept, children must come to understand that every number is both like every other number, in the sense that it is a number, and at the same time different in its order of enumeration. Once children attain the unit concept, their notion of number is abstract and divorced from particular things, unlike nominal and ordinal numbers. Mathematical operations like addition, subtraction, and multiplication can be performed only on numbers that represent units that can be manipulated without reference to particular things.

The interval concept of numbers is an intellectual construction. It builds on children’s practice in classifying things (attending to their sameness) and in seriating them (attending to their difference). At a certain point, and with the aid of concrete operations, children are able to bring these two concepts, of sameness and difference, together into the higher-order concept of a unit, which brings together the ideas of sameness and difference. It is only when children understand that something can be the same and different that they have a true understanding of quantity. Learning the names of numbers and rote counting are less important in this attainment than is practice in classifying and seriating many different materials.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
4. Well we want to achieve a better standing in achedemics in the World
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 09:13 AM
Mar 2015

Wait until we start school on Saturday mornings like a lot of the World. Do I personally agree with kids getting tons of homework, advanced achedemics beyond their year and Saturday morning school? No, but how do we raise our standing in achedemics around the World if we don't at least try?

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
5. It's funny
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 09:33 AM
Mar 2015

I have been hearing for decades how the rest of the word does better with education. And yet, what is the result? I don't see a massive shift in creative or scientific endeavors to those countries. China mostly copies the rest of the word and outdoes them on price and sometimes execution. Europe seems no different than the us, and seems to generate fewer industry changing ideas. So to what end?

A few people have thought about this problem and stepped outside of the box. You find schools where students are allowed to play and explore and learn at their own pace, but only in the enclaves of the top 10%.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
9. Our academic standing in the world is fine. But other countries do very well that don't push their
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 06:05 AM
Mar 2015

youngest children at all. Pushing academics on children before they're ready does nothing to help them in the long run.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
2. Wish it could say it got better...
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 08:59 AM
Mar 2015

but it really doesn't. So much homework and busy work. Homework packets. Science fair and technology fair projects with a billion parts to them. UGH!

At least the work counts in high school. Prior to that? Not so much.

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