Christian End Times Family Band Gunfighting With Cops For The Lord

[niyad]

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Christian End Times Family Band Gunfighting With Cops For The Lord



C'mon Get Raptured!

Several members of a Christian family band from Boise, Idaho, got into a brawl and gunfight with police in a Walmart parking lot in Cottonwood, Arizona, on Saturday night, leaving one member of the family dead and the rest in police custody. The group, which called itself “Matthew 24 Now” (GET IT???*) looked forward to the coming End Times, and apparently felt the need to hurry up the schedule a little when they attacked police and fired on them. Maybe they just loved the smell of cordite in the evening.

The nine members of the Gaver family had been living in their van in the parking lot for several days and using restrooms in the Walmart; police were called when one of the Gavers shoved a Walmart worker, according to an Arizona Department of Public Safety report. When Cottonwood police arrived, the Gavers apparently thought it was time to do some apocalypsing of their very own, and attacked the cops, as reported in the Christian Post:
Upon arrival, police were reportedly attacked by members of the family and Sgt. Jeremy Daniels, 31, suffered a gunshot wound to the leg. The 10-year veteran officer has since been treated and is expected to make a full recovery.
. . . . .

One of the suspects, identified as Enoch Gaver, was killed after allegedly shooting at police. A second suspect was seriously wounded during the incident and one onlooker recalled the horrifying scene.
. . . .

It is not believed that any of the conventionally accepted signs of the Apocalypse were in evidence, as a third of the stars were not swept from the sky, nor did the seas boil. It would appear that the altercation is therefore without any significant theological consequences.

Read more at http://wonkette.com/580767/christian-end-times-family-band-gunfighting-with-cops-for-the-lord#BPIY1mJ6jcV2mJRQ.99

[hatrack]

1. Yep, Jeebus is one hell of a drug.

Jeebus and meth, even more so.

[Hoppy]

2. Again, Carlin explains it.

"Why, WHy, WHY, is it that the people who are anti-abortion are the same people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place?"

[TreasonousBastard]

3. OK, I'll be the first to say it...

if they wuz black they'd all be dead by now.

But, here's my real problem:

As much as some might have fun trashing white trash fundies living in a van in a parking lot, I am somewhat dismayed, and embarrassed, that my country has people living in a parking lot, fundie or otherwise. I am also dismayed that our society, or parts of it, seems to encourage this sort of thing. God, guns, and find public toilets where you can.

[Zorra]

17. I believe they may own a house in Idaho, built for them by Habitat for Humanity.

The Idaho Statesman also reported that the Gaver family became homeowners in 2004 thanks to a PMI Foundation partnership with Boise's Habitat for Humanity.

http://verdenews.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=65055

Sam Walton, to his credit, established a policy where travelers could sleep in Wal-Mart parking lots for free (it's kind, and it's also generally a good business practice as well, especially when fundie wackos aren't attacking people in the restroom (maybe they thought the employee they attacked was transgender?)...and shooting cops in the parking lot.

People are generally not allowed to stay in the parking lots for more than a few days to a week, depending on the "rules" at the individual store, respectively. Some stores in California an the southwest do not permit people to stay overnight in the parking lot.

I was a migrant worker for awhile after I got out of college, and after that a low budget RV traveler, so I know a bit about the ins and outs of car camping at Wal Mart.

These unfortunate dumbass wacko fundies may have ruined it for travelers who needed a free place top stay in Cottonwood.

[betterdemsonly]

20. If that is the case, I might observe that this is one of the problems with

forcing homeless people to be dependent on fundamentalist run soup kitchens. They are often mentally ill and uneducated and Fundamentalists cults take advantage of both conditions to create literal culture warriors.

[newthinking]

21. Wal-Mart parking lots are high crime areas. Seriously.

There was a story a few years back about it.

[freshwest]

23. Good addition, Zorra. I've done something similiar, once upon a time. Not the fighting though.

Nor have I qualifed for a Habitat for Humanity home in my state. I've only seen them in areas that are rather expensive, no kidding. This family... IDK what is going on with them... With a home to go home and money for a touring van they seem to be 'blessed.' Why go this road?

[ND-Dem]

35. I don't know about your state, but in my city they're all in low rent areas. There's none

in good neighborhoods; they're all in low-rent and somewhat drug-ridden areas.

and to get a habitat house, you have to qualify under their income rules and contribute a certain number of sweat hours. plus, you have to pay for the house. it's cheaper than usual, but you still have to pay.

nobody just gives you a house.

[struggle4progress]

25. "... the Boise office of Habitat for Humanity ... confirmed Tuesday that the Gaver family

applied for and received a home in 2004. The house was returned to the nonprofit organization in 2010. Habitat for Humanity has since sold the house to another family ..."

Details begin to emerge about Boise family involved in Arizona shooting
BY KATY MOELLER
[e-mail] 24, 2015

[freshwest]

38. Thanks, I'll take your word for it as when I click on that it's blank. Browser issues, my fault.

Can't update on this old thing.

[haikugal]

27. That's the first thing I thought about..

Ruined for others. They are such a sad looking group, Amerika....sick, poor and ignorant. Nothing for us to be proud of. when I was a kid and my family was traveling in the world, I felt pride in being an American, something I haven't felt for a very long time.

[raven mad]

36. I wouldn't have a problem with Wal Mart doing this -

except that most of the "campers" in the parking lots here are driving $150 - $250,000 motor homes with trailers and their Jeep attached.

[Zorra]

56. It's just good business. Folks like that have money to spend.

My alternator light came on in my car at 1 AM a few months ago, I was 80 miles from home, so I drove into a town where I knew there was a WalMart, pulled into the Walmart parking lot, and crashed in my car until daylight, when I wouldn't need lights that would drain the battery if I drove. It's a flat spot with a place to pee. I woke up at dawn, used the restroom (no fundies with guns!) got back in my car, and drove home. My local "backyard mechanic" replaced my alternator for me a few hours later.

I generally boycott WalMart, but it really is a nice thing they do by letting travelers stay in their parking lot over night.

[raven mad]

57. At least with the motor homes, the folks have bathrooms!

I really don't mind so much, since I never shop there so don't have to worry about finding a parking space!

[pansypoo53219]

18. god saved their stupid asses. out of spite.

[ND-Dem]

19. that was my thought too. they're living in a parking lot and no information is offered about

what actually happened and why one of them is dead. just a lot of "ha-ha, they're stupid and they're fundies".

it's funny to kill poor uneducated white people. so much for their white privilege.

[BrotherIvan]

32. They were shooting at EACH OTHER and the cops

They weren't targeted because they were poor or white. They had enough money for guns and bullets though.

[ND-Dem]

34. i can't tell what happened from the posted account. or why the cops came in the first

place, just that somebody pushed somebody at walmart.

how that escalated to shooting is pretty vague.

[BrotherIvan]

45. The short story as I understand it

They pushed a woman who worked at Walmart as she left the building. She was related to the family.
It broke out into a massive fight between all the family memebers (hence the wounds you see in the mugshots above).
The cops arrive and the family members start shooting at the cops.
One dead and one injured according to the report.

So the conclusion I draw from this is that they are violent and too crazy to own guns. It doesn't seem as if the cops did anything but their jobs this time.

[ND-Dem]

46. that doesn't make sense to me, since they'd lived in idaho for a long time and left idaho to

find work.

so who is this "relative" they met up with at walmart in Arizona?

[BrotherIvan]

48. I don't follow the story because I don't care much about it

Here is a link to some info

[link:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/family-arrested-ariz-walmart-brawl-lived-store-lot-article-1.2160262|

[ND-Dem]

49. you don't follow the story but you're linking me to info?

[BrotherIvan]

50. I politely linked to the info you requested

[ND-Dem]

58. You said this:

"They pushed a woman who worked at Walmart as she left the building. She was related to the family."

I asked, who is this relative, since they left their long-time home in Idaho to come to Arizona.

but I didn't see anything in the article about a relative.

I'm not trying to be difficult, just confused.

according to the story, they shoved a store employee, not a relative; and for some reason, the women went into the men's room, and the men stood guard outside. It just doesn't make sense.

when several of the Gavers, including a woman and a young girl, left their Chevrolet Suburban and went into the men’s room inside the Walmart, KPHO reported. A store employee went to the bathroom to check on the bunch, but at least one of the Gavers shoved her, police said.

[snooper2]

51. um, walmart employee received a broken arm

Assholes attacked the cops when they showed up-

Fundies by nature aren't very bright so this shouldn't surprise anyone-

[NuclearDem]

44. "so much for their white privilege."

Not what white privilege is. Try again.

[betterdemsonly]

4. They're evangelists

They do this by choice, not necessity.

It is sad that so many have no choice but that is not the story here.

[ND-Dem]

22. they got a habitat house = not so well off, and they no longer have it and reportedly

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left Idaho to look for employment.

[brewens]

5. I-D-A-H-O IDAHO, IDAHO GO GO GO! God they make us proud out here! Larry Craig hasn't been in

the news lately. We needed a boost from somewhere, TO KEEP US THE FREAKIN' LAUGHING STOCK OF THE NATION! Salute!

[hatrack]

7. Whoa-oh! We come from Idaho Wo-wo-Tweakzilla! Whoa-oh! It's Jeebus doncha know, wo-wo Tweakzilla!

[brewens]

43. I love the Oyster boys! I've seen them five or six times. Even just 10 years or so ago they had

been around my neck of the woods on a regular basis. You could count on them showing up every few years. They still had Bloom, Dharma and Lanier in the band and always put on a good show. I laughed one time when Eric Bloom walked right by me. Such a little dude and I always thought he was a giant!

[blkmusclmachine]

6. Scary! Banjos playin'!

[calimary]

8. Maybe some "end times" for them, though.

At least the rest of us DO gain Salvation - since these nuts have been taken into custody and OFF the streets!

[IDemo]

9. This is my kind of Idaho band:

The Braun brothers, Willie and Cody, were originally from Idaho anyway -

[beam me up scottie]

10. Perfect title!

[Dont call me Shirley]

11. Get this people apocalypse/rapture/second coming is a scam! Same 5000 y.o. scam!

[LuvNewcastle]

37. That's all it is.

I know people who aren't even religious who believe in that bullshit because it was taught to them when they were growing up. It's hard to explain apocalyptic literature to them and how you can't take it literally, but I do my best. The problem is that other denominations are not vocal enough about how it's being used. There are still many Christians who don't believe in that nonsense, but nobody talks to them, or they aren't talking loudly enough.

[Dont call me Shirley]

39. Suspicion must be aroused as to the source of the promotion of the apocalypse story.

My bet is on the mic, they have nothing to lose, only gain.

[Crowman1979]

12. More like christian terrorists IMO.

[trusty elf]

13. ......

:-/

[CanonRay]

15. Great one!

[Still In Wisconsin]

14. They look like a nice enough bunch...

I can't see why they are getting so much flack.

[BobTheSubgenius]

16. I could see where spending a week in an RV in a WalMart parking lot...

...with this crew of loons might seem like End Times.

[freshwest]

24. Looks like asphalt won the day. Too bad about the shooting. And now one of them is dead, unable to

overcome.. something in their lives that made them miserable.

Wonder how often this is going on in the USA, because we're probably only getting a bit of the reports of OTT people at DU.

Is it a matter of move coverage or more events? I just don't remember this kind of thing years ago.

[Wella]

26. Overgeneralize much kids? These are Christians the way ISIS is Muslim

You want to overgeneralize, then don't lose your mind when the right wing talks about how all Muslims want to cut off your head. You do the same thing with Christians. It just suits your prejudices better than overgeneralizing ISIS.

[cpwm17]

52. +1000 n/t

[F4lconF16]

53. To be clear, ISIS is part of Islam

And they are part of Christianity. They are not representative of the majority, but they are part of those religions.

Also, I don't see any "overgeneralizing" in the article unless by overgeneralizing you mean "referring to fundamentalist Christians as Christians".

[Lint Head]

28. Darwin is the word made alive by the forces of Mother

Earth. The metaphor sings.

[struggle4progress]

29. What a sad story.

... just before 11 p.m., several members of the family, including a woman and young girl, apparently walked into the store and went inside the men’s restroom. Nathan Gaver told police that his mother was using the restroom inside the Walmart and that his brothers, David and Jeremiah, were guarding the restroom ...

Investigators said after a woman reported that she was assaulted by the Gaver family inside the Walmart women's bathroom, the incident escalated outside in the parking lot. The employee was going into the store bathroom when she was physically shoved out of the way by one of the suspects, according to a DPS news release. When the cops arrived, the family shot one of them in the leg.

Nathan Gaver told ... that he fought with officers to protect his sister. David Gaver, 28, was shot in the stomach during Saturday's parking lot fight with police. Enoch Gaver, 21, was shot and killed ... Nathan Gaver told police the family was forced to leave Idaho, but didn’t say why.

The family had reportedly been staying outside the Cottonwood store for several days, living in an Chevrolet Suburban SUV with Idaho plates. The Gavers had reportedly been living out of a large van with Idaho license plates in the parking lot for the past few days and entered the retail store to use the rest rooms when trouble ensued. Since the shootout between the Idaho Gaver family and Cottonwood Police Saturday night, a camping ban is being enforced at the Cottonwood Walmart on Rodeo Drive.

The Gavers' next court date is scheduled for March 31.

[vkkv]

30. How could our predictions be so wrong? Let's GOD N'ROLL!!

Blam! Blam !Blam!

[Politicalboi]

31. Come on now let's shoot everybody

Come on get happy. A whole lotta lead is what we'll be shooting to make you happy, to make you happy!

Are they related to the Palins?


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[Cha]

33. E gods.. you can't make up this shit.

Kirk Cameron needs to come and bail them out.

[msanthrope]

40. This is a rejected episode of "Justified." nt

[Rex]

41. They look like they would kill a person for a cup of coffee.

And then thank Jesus.

[myrna minx]

42. I can't get over the amount of sheer misery in their eyes. These are terribly damaged people.

While they are dangerous fundies, I can't get past the look of abject misery on their faces.

Good gravy - just how many weird death cults are there in this country?

[niyad]

55. you have a great deal of compassion and caring.

[Vinca]

47. Whoa - who wants to take a stab at the collective IQ of that bunch?

[Rex]

54. Hmmm...real life Squidbillies?

They look like they haven't slept in weeks and weeks.

[Kaleva]

59. The Lord commandeth they poopeth in Wal Mart restrooms- KJV

[nilesobek]

60. Despite all the prejudice

observed in this thread, it looks to me the kopps killed someone yet again. Reading some of these bigoted comments show me run of the mill, straight up racism. I think I'll wait for the verdict. Just allegations for now.