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cali

(114,904 posts)
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:15 AM Mar 2015

Republicans are now smearing Bernie by accusing his wife of fraud

Documents obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation indicate that the wife of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders may have been able to use her clout to get away with loan fraud, nearly bankrupting the small college she was president of and collecting a sizable severance package in the process.

These revelations come amid growing speculation that Sen. Sanders, a self-described socialist who has blasted the U.S. government asan oligarchy run by billionaires and railed against the golden parachutes received by top corporate executives, will contend for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Jane Sanders was the president of tiny Burlington College in Burlington, Vermont for seven years, from 2004 until 2011. During her tenure, Sanders masterminded an ambitious expansion plan that would have more than doubled the size of the school. To do so, she had the college take on $10 million in debt to finance the purchase of a new, far more expansive campus. The move backfired massively, leading to Sanders’ departure from the college and the near-collapse of the institution.

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http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/26/exclusive-bernie-sanders-wife-may-have-defrauded-state-agency-bank/

It seems clear there's nothing here, but trust Tucker to try and smear.

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Republicans are now smearing Bernie by accusing his wife of fraud (Original Post) cali Mar 2015 OP
Of course they'll find/make something up.... daleanime Mar 2015 #1
This isn't really made up. Agschmid Mar 2015 #6
Didn't say it was..... daleanime Mar 2015 #15
Meanwhile, Republicans run candidates who have... JaneyVee Mar 2015 #2
But, what about Bernie's super secret emails? leftofcool Mar 2015 #3
It's pretty amazing that someone who spreads slime about Clinton on DU... wyldwolf Mar 2015 #22
Clearly Sanders and fredamae Mar 2015 #4
I'm voting for and Supporting the ones "they" go after the hardest and spend the most on to defeat. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #24
Perhaps-Time will tell n/t fredamae Mar 2015 #25
It may or may not be afraid but the actual story of the building purchase, and failed financing... Agschmid Mar 2015 #5
Tucker had to pull something out of his ass to deflect from he and his brother's bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #7
This story is mostly true. Agschmid Mar 2015 #8
the fraud piece is bullshit. cali Mar 2015 #12
I would agree with that. Agschmid Mar 2015 #14
yes, she made a mistake. But big fucking deal. It's not an illegal mistake. cali Mar 2015 #16
Exactly! Hillary using her own email server was not illegal. boston bean Mar 2015 #17
and I would never suggest that it was cali Mar 2015 #18
whoa, I'm thinking this disqualifies him from running for president! boston bean Mar 2015 #9
It doesn't disqualify him, but the actual story of the colleges financial problems due to the Agschmid Mar 2015 #10
I would bet just about any amount of money dsc Mar 2015 #11
bzzzt. fail. I have never claimed that Bill's shit was cali Mar 2015 #13
Gee, let's take the SPOUSE of a potential candidate, and run that person over the coals MADem Mar 2015 #19
I'm sure Jane was well intentioned. They just aren't the kind of people the hit piece implies. Vinca Mar 2015 #20
Of course--who in their right mind would intentionally endanger the fiscal well being of an MADem Mar 2015 #23
Oh just the development director of a major university just down the street... Agschmid Mar 2015 #28
That's not the university president's fault that his wife was having an affair.... MADem Mar 2015 #29
Nope you got the gist... Agschmid Mar 2015 #30
I do think there's a difference between making a poor investment and boinking a MADem Mar 2015 #31
Mitt and his ilk intentionally run companies in to bankruptcy for personal gain. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2015 #21
definitions are important guillaumeb Mar 2015 #26
I did a search and I found the following: Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #27
k&R nt fun n serious May 2016 #32

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
1. Of course they'll find/make something up....
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:19 AM
Mar 2015

with the amount of money pouring into such efforts they can become very imaginative.


Too bad that they can't be so creative when it comes to fixing the problems we face.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
15. Didn't say it was.....
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:55 AM
Mar 2015

Last edited Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:04 AM - Edit history (1)

said that people will find ways to attack this man, it's what they do when power and money are at stake. Do you disagree?

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
2. Meanwhile, Republicans run candidates who have...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:23 AM
Mar 2015

Destroyed companies, went bankrupt, outsourced jobs, and under criminal investigation.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
22. It's pretty amazing that someone who spreads slime about Clinton on DU...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 01:10 PM
Mar 2015

... is complaining about slime being spread about Sanders.

Post #4 is especially comical.

Slime spread about Clinton = the unvarnished truth.
Slime spread about Sanders = he's pissing off the 'right' people.

I'll just say what they always say - better to get this stuff out in the open now before the primaries. LOL.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
4. Clearly Sanders and
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:01 AM
Mar 2015

Warrren are "pissin' people off" in high places.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/wall-street-banks-threaten-to-withhold-campaign-funds-from-dems-in-tantrum-against-elizabeth-warren/

As I always said...I'm voting for and Supporting the ones "they" go after the hardest and spend the most on to defeat....."It" has begun in earnest.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
24. I'm voting for and Supporting the ones "they" go after the hardest and spend the most on to defeat.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 01:13 PM
Mar 2015

Welcome to Team Hillary!

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
5. It may or may not be afraid but the actual story of the building purchase, and failed financing...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:13 AM
Mar 2015

is spot on.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
7. Tucker had to pull something out of his ass to deflect from he and his brother's
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:16 AM
Mar 2015

episode of despicable misogyny depicted in that e-mail exchange the other day.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
14. I would agree with that.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:31 AM
Mar 2015

But even at the time many people thought it was a horrible decision for them to by the Orphanage, just the repair costs alone will in the millions.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. yes, she made a mistake. But big fucking deal. It's not an illegal mistake.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:55 AM
Mar 2015

It wasn't done for personal gain.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
17. Exactly! Hillary using her own email server was not illegal.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:18 AM
Mar 2015

I sure do wish people held themselves to the same standards. I do.

It wasn't illegal and it's right winged bullshit.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
9. whoa, I'm thinking this disqualifies him from running for president!
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:20 AM
Mar 2015

His wife did or said something.....

I mean that is the standard some hold Hillary to, by you know.. using RW talking points...

Do I mean what I said in my first sentence, NO. It's a bunch of right wing nonsense.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
10. It doesn't disqualify him, but the actual story of the colleges financial problems due to the
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:21 AM
Mar 2015

purchase of the land are 100% accurate.

dsc

(52,160 posts)
11. I would bet just about any amount of money
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:22 AM
Mar 2015

if a similar story, from a similar source, were published about Hillary you would be among the first in line to push that story here. the difference between us is that I think the Daily Caller is unfit to be quoted no matter who they attack.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. bzzzt. fail. I have never claimed that Bill's shit was
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:31 AM
Mar 2015

something that should impact Hill's candidacy.

wrongo. again.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. Gee, let's take the SPOUSE of a potential candidate, and run that person over the coals
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 12:53 PM
Mar 2015

and then, once that is done, use the information that is ascribed to the SPOUSE to smear the CANDIDATE!!!!

What a Republican low-life move!!! For shame!!!!!!

I'm glad Democrats are above that kind of conduct. Well, most of them, anyway.

I don't think Senator Sanders deserves to be excoriated in this fashion. His wife was in a managerial position, she used her discretion, it didn't work out, no one hauled her up on "fraud" charges, and this is just a load of chaff-shit designed to discredit the Senator by wrongly convoluting his spouse's work with his.

Not fair. Not right.

Simplistic and shitty.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
20. I'm sure Jane was well intentioned. They just aren't the kind of people the hit piece implies.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 12:59 PM
Mar 2015

In any case, it's not as if she was smuggling designer duds from Paris through customs.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. Of course--who in their right mind would intentionally endanger the fiscal well being of an
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 01:12 PM
Mar 2015

institution of higher learning for shits-n-giggles, and risk their legacy as a steward of the place? Of course her motives were pure.

It's an asinine speculation, and it just shows how stupid and vicious anyone who makes those kinds of charges is. Those who assume the WORST about people, absent any evidence to deceive (that smuggling you mention is just that), are the lowest of the low.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. That's not the university president's fault that his wife was having an affair....
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 02:33 PM
Mar 2015

I didn't read the whole thing, admittedly, but it looked to me like the guy resigned because his WIFE was misbehaving. Did I miss something?

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
30. Nope you got the gist...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 02:37 PM
Mar 2015

But I am saying that Univerity administrators have in the past caused damage to the reputation and financial future of their Univeristy.

Doesn't have to be the president to make it damaging, and in his case due to the Univeristy size comparisons it was an equal if not more important position.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. I do think there's a difference between making a poor investment and boinking a
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:00 PM
Mar 2015

"volunteer" who happened to be married to the President of the joint, certainly~!

Bernie's bride didn't INTEND for things to go wrong, but that development guy shoulda known better than to embark on an affair with the bloomin' President's wife! Good gravy!!!! How could that have ever ended well...?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
26. definitions are important
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 01:32 PM
Mar 2015

A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury.

Fraud must be proved by showing that the defendant's actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact,(2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result.

The bottom line is that intent to deceive must be PROVEN, not alleged by a media personality or reporter.

What the GOP is doing to HRC they will do to every Democratic candidate. And they have the money and media control to do so.

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