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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:21 AM Mar 2015

Physicians' Joint Report: At Least 1.3 Million Lives Lost to US-Led War on Terror

Body Count Report Reveals At Least 1.3 Million Lives Lost to US-Led War on Terror
3/26/15
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How do you calculate the human costs of the U.S.-led War on Terror?

On the 12th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, groups of physicians attempted to arrive at a partial answer to this question by counting the dead.

In their joint report— Body Count: Casualty Figures after 10 Years of the 'War on Terror—Physicians for Social Responsibility, Physicians for Global Survival, and the Nobel Prize-winning International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War concluded that this number is staggering, with at least 1.3 million lives lost in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan alone since the onset of the war following September 11, 2001.

However, the report notes, this is a conservative estimate, and the total number killed in the three countries "could also be in excess of 2 million, whereas a figure below 1 million is extremely unlikely."

Furthermore, the researchers do not look at other countries targeted by U.S.-led war, including Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria, and beyond.

Even still, the report states the figure "is approximately 10 times greater than that of which the public, experts and decision makers are aware of and propagated by the media and major NGOs.


In Iraq, at least 1 million lives have been lost during and since 2003, a figure that accounts for five percent of the nation's total population. This does not include deaths among the estimated 3 million Iraqi refugees, many of whom were subject to dangerous conditions during this past winter.

Furthermore, an estimated 220,000 people have been killed in Afghanistan and 80,000 in Pakistan, note the researchers. The findings follow a United Nations report which finds that civilian deaths in Afghanistan in 2014 were at their highest levels since the global body began making reports in 2009....

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/03/26/body-count-report-reveals-least-13-million-lives-lost-us-led-war-terror
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Physicians' Joint Report: At Least 1.3 Million Lives Lost to US-Led War on Terror (Original Post) RiverLover Mar 2015 OP
And what did these people do to us! newfie11 Mar 2015 #1
I wish it had ended with Bush. /nt RiverLover Mar 2015 #5
So do I newfie11 Mar 2015 #7
Those that thought it was OK to vote for Nader because "there is no difference" should think about Renew Deal Mar 2015 #22
Conservative talking points F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #24
Feeling guilty? Renew Deal Mar 2015 #30
Dude, I was 6 years old when the election was stolen F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #31
Those that thought it was OK to allow Bush & the Supreme Court to steal Karmadillo Mar 2015 #35
Running that fucking lie up the flagpole again? 99Forever Mar 2015 #36
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Mar 2015 #2
Sadly, that is so true. Heartbreaking. RiverLover Mar 2015 #4
But they hate us for are freedumbs!!!``~~131 RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #3
Exactly. Reducing it to a preschooler's view of the world is the only way to justify these horrors. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #12
and counting... phantom power Mar 2015 #6
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #8
sounds like repug mass murder samsingh Mar 2015 #9
Except a Democrat has been in the White House the past five years. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #39
This is tragic. The War of Terror is addiction to genocide. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #10
These countries that we have ruined, Madmiddle Mar 2015 #17
We have been deceived, manipulated and made apathetic about voting. Reagan started it with Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #18
"Mission, Accomplished." blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #11
I'd rec this a million+ times if I could Cal Carpenter Mar 2015 #13
+1 RiverLover Mar 2015 #16
This sounds very low Doctor_J Mar 2015 #14
Hate to say this Madmiddle Mar 2015 #15
Yes. RiverLover Mar 2015 #19
and the horrifying truth is mountain grammy Mar 2015 #20
I wonder if Bin Laden considered the ramifications when he planned 9/11 Renew Deal Mar 2015 #21
K&R woo me with science Mar 2015 #23
We're supposed to forget those atrocities and who voted for them. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #25
If their "Practical Politics" calls for condoning the killing of 1.3 million people, Maedhros Mar 2015 #27
+1000 F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #28
And this is why I can not and will not support those that will not speak out against the MIC F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #26
I will not trade 1.3 million lives simply so we can claim victory in the tribal squabble Maedhros Mar 2015 #29
Evening kick. johnnyreb Mar 2015 #32
Who could have realized at the time MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #33
kick woo me with science Mar 2015 #34
It simply proves one thing beyond any doubt. 99Forever Mar 2015 #37
. riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #38
kick woo me with science Mar 2015 #40

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
1. And what did these people do to us!
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:32 AM
Mar 2015

This was/is outright murder still going on today. Bush and buds got to swagger around looking proud of themselves while innocents died/still die horrible deaths.

Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
22. Those that thought it was OK to vote for Nader because "there is no difference" should think about
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:24 AM
Mar 2015

that.

Same with those saying things like that today. The fact is that if Gore was president, many of these things wouldn't have happened.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
24. Conservative talking points
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:28 PM
Mar 2015
“Party loyalty” is a curious thing. If, for example, one is familiar with the history of primary and general elections since, say, 1964 -- approximately one-half of a century -- there are several examples of a lack of party loyalty damaging a Democratic candidate’s chances for victory. Yet most of these were the result of the moderate-to-conservative wing of the Democratic Party. Indeed, the lone example that the moderate-to-conservative wing still attempts to blame on “the left” is the tired, weak argument concerning Ralph Nader in Florida in the 2000 election.

“If only the left hadn’t cast ‘protest votes’ for Nader -- believing that ‘there’s no difference’ between Bush and Gore -- we’d have won the election!” We still see this uninformed appeal to emotion, even on DU:GD discussions. It requires one to ignore the fact that Gore did win the vote in Florida, and the republican party/ US Supreme Court stole the election. This was very well documented in Vincent Bugliosi’s “The Betrayal of America: How the Supreme Court Undermined the Constitution and Chose Our President” (Thunder’s Mouth Press; 2001).

To blame the eventual outcome of that election on “the left” -- some of whom did vote for Nader -- makes as much sense as blaming the elderly Floridians who, confused by the “butterfly ballot,” cast votes for Patrick Buchanan. More, it ignores an important reality -- one documented in Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.’s “Journals: 1952 - 2000” (Penguin; 2007): a good many of the establishment Democrats voted for George W. Bush. The reason? Some disliked Al Gore for creating distance between himself and Bill Clinton, while others despised his choice for vice president.

Still, Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election. Any and all “blame” goes to the Supreme Court.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026420812

Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
35. Those that thought it was OK to allow Bush & the Supreme Court to steal
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:02 AM
Mar 2015

the election should think about that, too.

http://disinfo.com/2010/11/debunked-the-myth-that-ralph-nader-cost-al-gore-the-2000-election/

Debunked: The Myth That Ralph Nader Cost Al Gore the 2000 Election

<edit>

So, why do Democrats continue to focus blame Nader and the Greens? It’s certainly easier to vent one’s frustrations upon someone weaker than you than it is to confront powerful, corrupt institutions and a dysfunctional system. And it’s even more attractive if one is part of that system, and if the weaker party could conceivably become a threat to one’s own power some day.

more...

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
4. Sadly, that is so true. Heartbreaking.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:48 AM
Mar 2015

And our war for oil & defense industry profits is creating people who hate US, rightfully so, so what our govt & media call the "War on Terror" should be called the "War FOR Terror (& Profit)."

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
39. Except a Democrat has been in the White House the past five years.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:22 PM
Mar 2015

Obama has scaled down the US wars, but certainly not ended them.

And he's droned way more people than Bush.

Somalia, Nigeria, Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan. We've been very, very busy.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
10. This is tragic. The War of Terror is addiction to genocide.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:53 AM
Mar 2015

The "ruling elite" are addicted to genocide, century after century, millennia after millennia.

 

Madmiddle

(459 posts)
17. These countries that we have ruined,
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:23 AM
Mar 2015

do ya think that they believe us when we say, "Our representatives are in charge" when they see us sitting home, when we could be out voting. Should be voting. All of us. I'm not saying you don't vote, but we are all to blame in our form of government.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
18. We have been deceived, manipulated and made apathetic about voting. Reagan started it with
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:28 AM
Mar 2015

his "I'm from the govt and I'm here to help you" spiel. They have done this on purpose to get people not to vote. Check out Paul Weyrich, founder of ALEC:

https://m.




PS. I VOTE!

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
13. I'd rec this a million+ times if I could
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:02 AM
Mar 2015

And this doesn't even account for the gulf war in the early 90s and the disgraceful sanctions throughout that decade and the hundreds of thousands of people who died then.

Who is going to claim that "We Think the Price Is Worth It", a la Madeleine Albright? Will it be H Clinton or Kerry this time?

For those who don't know that reference:

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.
–60 Minutes (5/12/96)




Ugh. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 

Madmiddle

(459 posts)
15. Hate to say this
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:17 AM
Mar 2015

but we should expect the rest of the world will not like this bullying, our representatives do in our name. I would not doubt the USA being driven off the high horse. Don't know when, but we should expect it.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
19. Yes.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:29 AM
Mar 2015

We are the bad guys now to the world. Its just a matter of time.

A few years ago I met a really interesting man from Iran. He'd immigrated to the US and was successful in business. Mid-30s. He called himself "Persian" when I first asked about his accent. That's what they say to try not to be immediately discriminated against by stupid Americans.

Anyways, when I showed I knew this meant Iranian & didn't care & was interested in what his home country is like, he told me many stories about growing up in Iran. It's not that different from here. Its a modern society with pop culture & entrepreneurs & citizens who have dreams & want a better world...I realized then that the people of a nation should NEVER be judged by their idiotic gov't leaders.

I hope others in the world are somehow able to not judge all Americans by the Neocons in charge here.

mountain grammy

(26,571 posts)
20. and the horrifying truth is
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:58 AM
Mar 2015

most Americans don't care, and the proof is voter turnout. The majority of voters are staying home, and the majority of those who vote are electing war mongers.
The polls may say most Americans want peace, but they won't stand up for it or vote for it. DU and others like us, are islands of sanity floating in a sea of disengaged citizens who are willing to concede governing to religious and radical elected officials who are, little by little, destroying everything good about Americal

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
25. We're supposed to forget those atrocities and who voted for them.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:37 PM
Mar 2015

You know, "Party Loyalty", "Not as bad", "Lesser of two evils", "This time it will be different" and "Practical Politics".

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?
Gandhi

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
27. If their "Practical Politics" calls for condoning the killing of 1.3 million people,
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:44 PM
Mar 2015

then I am very proud to be impractical.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
28. +1000
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:44 PM
Mar 2015
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?


This can't be said enough.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
26. And this is why I can not and will not support those that will not speak out against the MIC
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:43 PM
Mar 2015

It, along with our unbelievably racist and broken "justice" system, global warming, and our oppressive financial system are the biggest issues we face today. I will not support a politician that will not speak out on ALL of these topics.

If they refuse to speak against the MIC, then they prop up a massive machine that literally feeds on human life, delivering profits to contractors, oil companies, and all sorts of the villainous elite.

I will not support them.

If they refuse to speak out for environmentalists and pursue strong changes in our energy policies and regulations, they are condemning us all (and in particular those who are young and will still be alive when the shit really hits the fan, like me) to a slow and miserable death.

I will not support them.

If they refuse to to speak out against a justice system that is clearly oppressive, if they refuse to fund education and social programs, then they sentence my minority brothers and sisters to be thrown away as trash.

I will not support them.

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1.3+ million dead. Countless lives traumatized, injured, disabled, removed, all in the name of profit and glorious nationalism.

I can't.

I won't.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
29. I will not trade 1.3 million lives simply so we can claim victory in the tribal squabble
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:46 PM
Mar 2015

we call elections.

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