"All women are selfish by nature" claims ‘moderate’ imam...

[Surya Gayatri]

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http://www.france24.com/en/20150329-moderate-imam-who-claims-all-women-are-selfish-islam-france-montpellier-mohamed-khattabi/



An imam in France has claimed in a sermon that selfishness is part of “the nature of women”, comments that have shocked all the more because of his reputation as a progressive influence on Islam in the country.

“No matter how much good you bestow upon a woman, she will deny it. Her selfishness drives her to deny it.” These were the words of Imam Mohamed Khattabi, delivered during a Friday sermon at the Aicha Mosque in Montpellier, southern France, on March 6, two days before International Women’s Day.

Standing high in the mosque’s minbar (pulpit), Khattabi continued: “This holds true for all women, whether Western, Arab, Muslim, Jewish, or Christian. This is the nature of women.

“If a woman overcomes her nature and acknowledges (the truth) … Allah grants her a higher place in paradise. But if she succumbs to her nature, and refuses to acknowledge the man's rights – or rather, the goodness that man bestows upon her – she is destined to go to (hell)…”
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'Moderate', mon cul (my ass). Damn, if this guy can be qualified as moderate, the future for 'entente' between religions in France looks to be in trouble.

[GCP]

1. Well, they will insist on flaunting their ankles

Thus selfishly driving men into an uncontrollable lust.
No need to do the sarcasm emoticon is there?

[Surya Gayatri]

3. No need, LOL!

[MADem]

2. Looks like someone can't get a date!!!!

The lads who don't have any social graces sometimes will blame the woman for their own failings--it not only doesn't work the first time they roll it out, it doesn't get any better with angry repetition, either!!

Who knew that "Khattabi" was arabic for "Loser!"

[Surya Gayatri]

5. Yeah, as the French say, he's 'mal-baisé'...

(Not getting any... )

[DetlefK]

4. Men, on the other hand, are totally not selfish.

They are so un-selfish that women have to cover up their bodies, otherwise those un-selfish men would be unable to control their selfish desires.

[Surya Gayatri]

6. Say what? But, this circular argument sadly

reflects a lot of the misogynistic crap you see coming from the fundamentalist imam nut-jobs on the Web.

I suspect the French authorities are revising his qualification as 'moderate' on their terror watch list.

[Marrah_G]

7. idiot

[Surya Gayatri]

8. The problem is this guy's influence and reach in

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a country that's very much on edge right now (post-Charlie Hebdo).

[Marrah_G]

11. I agree

I am left shaking my head as to what the solution for all this is.

[Surya Gayatri]

20. This thorny question is the crux of the debate in 'proudly secular' France, as we speak...

n/t

[cali]

9. Fine. All Imams are sexist piecesof shit, honey.

[liberal N proud]

10. Ding! Ding! Ding!

[Surya Gayatri]

13. See post just below yours.

'Yes, many muslims would be as shocked by these

over-the-top remarks as we are.

The problem is this guy's influence and reach in a country that's very much on edge right now (post Charlie Hebdo).'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016118735#post2

[antigone382]

108. Right? I grew up hearing the same stuff in my Southern Baptist Church.

My church had divorced members, etc. Compared to Eric Robert Rudolph, or even Pat Robertson, that church was moderate.

[Surya Gayatri]

12. Wow, where are you coming from? Here's what I had to say

on a parallel thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016118735#post2

"Yes, many muslims would be as shocked by these over-the-top remarks as we are.

The problem is this guy's influence and reach in a country that's very much on edge right now (post Charlie Hebdo)."

Go off half cocked much?

[Skidmore]

14. If it didn't have such dire consequences for so many women, it would be almost

laughable to sit imams in the same room with many fine Christian pastors/priests and some rabbis to see how many ways they could collectively find to justify these "submission" doctrines. I am so done with this type of religiosity.

[Surya Gayatri]

15. I can see that scenario in my mind's eye--all of those

upstanding 'spiritual' leaders of all stripes, sitting at a round table collectively expressing their hatred and fear of women.

Fundamentalist X-ians, ultra-orthodox Jews, whatever...

[Demeter]

16. Catholic clergy

[Surya Gayatri]

18. They were implied under the heading of 'whatever'...sadly.

[Arugula Latte]

74. It would look like when these male religious asswipes testified against women in the US Congress:

[Surya Gayatri]

75. Excellent analogy! Good find!

[cali]

17. I'm going to get shit for saying this, but here's the BIG difference

Yes, there are pastors and rabbis who mirror this guy's "philosophy", but there are lots and lots of past pastors and rabbis who don't. There are lots of Christian and Jewish women clergy. There are large numbers of Christians and Jews who don't espouse anything like women having to be submissive to men. That doesn't hold true within Islam.

That's why "they're all the same" is bullshit false equivalency.

[Skidmore]

19. And there are many who just sit silently

and acquiesce while these teachings flourish. It doesn't take active participation to create the dynamics that make this possible. It takes a lot of good people willing to look aside.

[cali]

22. sure, and there are many who actively pursue the demise of these teachings

However you slice and dice it, there are large numbers of liberal Christians and Jews. There is not a corresponding, flourishing movement within Islam. And nowhere within "Christian nations" are people arrested and punished for apostasy. And sorry, but that's a significant difference.

[Demeter]

34. Well, D'uh! The men keep killing them off

Malala Yousafzai (Malālah Yūsafzay, Pashto: ملاله یوسفزۍ? [məˈlaːlə jusəf ˈzəj];[1] born 12 July 1997)[2][3] is a Pakistani activist for female education and the youngest-ever Nobel Prize laureate.[4] She is known mainly for human rights advocacy for education and for women in her native Swat Valley in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of northwest Pakistan, where the local Taliban had at times banned girls from attending school. Yousafzai's advocacy has since grown into an international movement.

Her family runs a chain of schools in the region. In early 2009, when she was 11–12, Yousafzai wrote a blog under a pseudonym for the BBC detailing her life under Taliban occupation, their attempts to take control of the valley, and her views on promoting education for girls in the Swat Valley. The following summer, journalist Adam B. Ellick made a New York Times documentary[3] about her life as the Pakistani military intervened in the region. Yousafzai rose in prominence, giving interviews in print and on television, and she was nominated for the International Children's Peace Prize by South African activist Desmond Tutu.

On the afternoon of 9 October 2012, Yousafzai boarded her school bus in the northwest Pakistani district of Swat. A gunman asked for her by name, then pointed a pistol at her and fired three shots. One bullet hit the left side of Yousafzai's forehead, travelled under her skin through the length of her face, and then went into her shoulder.[5] In the days immediately following the attack, she remained unconscious and in critical condition, but later her condition improved enough for her to be sent to the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham, England, for intensive rehabilitation. On 12 October, a group of 50 Islamic clerics in Pakistan issued a fatwā against those who tried to kill her, but the Taliban reiterated their intent to kill Yousafzai and her father, Ziauddin Yousafzai.

The assassination attempt sparked a national and international outpouring of support for Yousafzai. Deutsche Welle wrote in January 2013 that Yousafzai may have become "the most famous teenager in the world."[6] United Nations Special Envoy for Global Education Gordon Brown launched a UN petition in Yousafzai's name, demanding that all children worldwide be in school by the end of 2015; it helped lead to the ratification of Pakistan's first Right to Education Bill.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malala_Yousafzai

Sometimes, they miss.

[Skidmore]

58. Many more.

Check this site out.

http://www.clarionproject.org/understanding-islamism/muslim-womens-rights-activists

Nothing at all superior about the other two monotheisms. Here we have the state as a layer between religion and its excesses. However, we are seeing that wear thin as successes toward instituting theocracy are occurring.

[Surya Gayatri]

60. Hear, hear!

'However, we are seeing that wear thin as successes toward instituting theocracy are occurring.'

[cwydro]

128. Yes.

Exactly.

[Surya Gayatri]

23. Look to the 'fundamentalist' extremes of all of these diverse faiths to find the misogyny...

n/t

[cali]

27. Yes, and that's precisely what I said.

But if you can't see the difference in degree in Islam or the lack of alternatives, you're being obtuse. There isn't another religion that oppresses women to the degree that Islam does- or LGBT folks for that matter.

[Surya Gayatri]

31. I resent your qualification of me as 'obtuse'. I really wish you

would be more restrained in your use of inflammatory language.

Nowhere have I said I don't see differences in degree, or that I don't see alternatives.

You certainly do have a tendancy to shoot from the hip...

[cali]

35. the "you" was generic. I wasn't referring to you.

I have a tendency to shoot from the hip? Hey, look in the mirror. YOU castigated (with lots of angry smilies) another poster for his/her comment about "projection", which was pretty clearly about the Imam. You took it personally.

[Surya Gayatri]

37. Point taken. That generic 'you' in English causes so much misunderstanding.

Wish we used the French 'on' or 'one' more frequently.

But, it just sounds too stilted:
'One is obtuse'...sounds like the Queen in her public pronouncements.

[BlueJazz]

40. I find it a little sad that you have to post "I'm going to get shit for ..."

Your words should be common knowledge on a forum such as this. I read nothing in your post that could be "put down" or argued with.

[get the red out]

53. You have that right

I'm always afraid of being called terrible names for saying that, but since you put it out there, I totally agree. Thank you cali.

I care way too much about women's rights in the world to ever be a "good" liberal.

[KamaAina]

97. There are, however, no Catholic women clergy

or Mormon or Orthodox Jewish women clergy, for that matter.

[840high]

130. Orthodox Jewish women clergy - has

a few - look it up.

[840high]

129. ....x10

[Bettie]

21. Religion just twists people

I get having belief and faith, but that whole framework that gets put around it tends to make people really rigid and unpleasant.

Doesn't matter what religion it is, it spawns the idea that "X (mine)" is better than "Y (others)".

It gives otherwise decent people an excuse to feel superior to others simply because of differences in their belief in an invisible higher power. It turns people who would be jerks anyway into giant ones with a sense that they are "right" in their beliefs because they can twist that framework to tell themselves that.

That is sad.

[Surya Gayatri]

24. TRUE that: "Doesn't matter what religion it is", on the

fundamentalist fringes of that religion you will find misogyny.

[cali]

25. That's simply not true. It's not true in much of Buddhism. It's not true

for many Christian sects. It's not true in Reform or even Conservative Judaism.

Ever read any Thomas Merton?

[Bettie]

26. In my personal experience

I've never seen any religion without its share of people looking for an excuse to feel superior.

I may not have been as concise as I might have (I did not sleep much last night, so I'm not as on the ball as I'd like), but in any religious group you're going to have those people. Some groups are made up primarily of them, for example, very conservative sects of almost any religion.

My views of religion are colored by my own experiences as well. Religion has done very real harm to me and mine.

I keep my kids away from churches and the damage they can do to people.

There may be some decent ones out there, but I cannot trust in that, nor can I bring myself to truly believe it.

[cali]

30. Yes,of course, but the fact remains that in Christianity and Judaism there

are flourishing competing strains of beliefs.

I too kept my kid away from organized religion as I was. But with a difference: My parents didn't acknowledge spirituality at all- and yes, I think that was damaging too.

Oh, and there absolutely are some more than decent ones out there. I've experienced them. Ever been to Unitarian Church? Many Presbyterian Churches are progressive. Reform Jewish Temples, and many more. You're just wrong.

I also want to add that I've known quite a few Sufis and their philosophy is far more inclusive than any other sect of Islam that I'm aware of.

[Bettie]

38. My kids are exposed to spirituality

they also learn about the beliefs of various religions.

The interesting thing is that they have come to the conclusion through evidence in their daily interactions with kids in their school that the ones who talk the most about religion/church are the nastiest kids in school.

We live in a small town in Iowa, so our local choices are ultra-conservative, slightly-less-conservative, and Mormon or JW.

I have many good friends who are religious, even some decent relatives who are.

There are decent people within religions, but for those who are predisposed to being unpleasant, religion offers a convenient excuse and a sense of rightness in their choice to be that kind of person.

And, unfortunately, the loudest voices of religion come from those who would use their beliefs to oppress others.

The guy discussed in the OP is really no different than the loudest voices of Protestantism or Catholicism in this country, though they couch it in slightly more palatable terms.

[Surya Gayatri]

41. Up with the Sufis!-- they represent the sane and truly humanist current in Islam.

n/t

[Surya Gayatri]

61. FWIW, many devoted Buddhists would contend that their

spirtual practice is NOT a religion, but rather a 'method for right living'.

[marble falls]

28. And so are all men. The difference is, as demonstrated by the Imam, we don't have a higher nature...

A lot of Christian men say that about women, too. Why the emphasis on Islam? Are you sure he isn't a Teapublican?

[Surya Gayatri]

48. Yes, the tendency to selfishness is part of the human condition...

and sincere spiritual practice in all faiths is intended to overcome it.

But, viewed through the woman-haters' twisted prism, we females are uniquely guilty of this deadly sin.

[Surya Gayatri]

59. Neglected to answer your question...

Why the emphasis on Islam?

This is a piece from a reputable French source, in a country that's very much on edge following a traumatizing incident back in January involving radical Islam (Charlie Hebdo).

The choice of article is mine, but the topic is of general interest here at ground zero, where proudly secular France is trying to come to terms with the potential radicalization of 10% of its population.

[marble falls]

123. That's my point. The Imam doesn't have a low opinion of women because of Islam, but because...

he an imperfect man.

[peace13]

29. Project much? nt

[Surya Gayatri]

32. Beg your pardon? Project what onto whom?

What the hell are you talking about?

The article quoted is from a reputable French source. Where is there projection and of what?

[cali]

33. My guess is the poster is referring to the Imam in the story. n/t

[Surya Gayatri]

36. Ah, thanks for the clarification...wish people would put themselves in their reader's shoes.

Just a short aside would sometimes prevent so many misunderstandings.

[Surya Gayatri]

49. Sorry I laid into you like that...intertube misunderstanding.

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It has been brought to my attention that you were referring to the imam and not to me.

[peace13]

120. No trouble!

You got it! I posted that and then went out and about! Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you! Have a great evening! : )

[Surya Gayatri]

121. You too!

[BlueMTexpat]

39. Let s/he who is truly selfless

cast the first stone.

This imam does not qualify as selfless, IMO. But he also has many kindred spirits in the so-called "Christian" world.

[Surya Gayatri]

43. ^^^This!^^^

'But, he also has many kindred spirits in the so-called "Christian" world.'

[lame54]

42. That's what I say when I can't get laid

[Surya Gayatri]

44. See here, LOL!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026435980#post5

"Yeah, as the French say, he's 'mal-baisé'...

(Not getting any... )"

[Orsino]

45. Aw. Show us on the doll where the bad woman questioned you. n/t

[Surya Gayatri]

46. LOL! Good one!

n/t

[PumpkinAle]

47. Yep totally selfish,

wanting to be treated as equals and ignoring what the small-minded, religious indoctrinated fools out there.

Just how could they??!!

[Surya Gayatri]

50. How dare we ? His anti-female indoctrination of men

and his insistence on the natural culpability of women is just beyond belief.

[get the red out]

51. Moderate and Imam go together

Just about as well as moderate and Baptist.

[Surya Gayatri]

54. ^^^This!^^^

At least for Southern Baptists!

There are moderate imams, but they are never heard in the press...

Is that due to fear of blowback from the Islamist nut-jobs?

[tavernier]

52. Classic case of dweeb getting shut down by the pretty girls

and holding a grudge for life.

I mean, really? Do you think any big brown-eyed beauty (and possibly the only part of her body she was allowed to uncover) would take one look at dork boy and want to hop on his magic carpet?

I think not.

Maybe if Imo got a makeover (a shave, some new frames, a hat with a sexy brim??), he could get a date and be a little less cranky?

[Surya Gayatri]

56. LOL! 'Imam undergoes radical makeover--wows his congregation...

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becomes suprisingly tolerant and open-minded.'

The French call the syndrom 'mal-baisé', which means 'he ain't gettin' any'.

[Beacool]

93. True

I find that a lot of men seem to have an overinflated view of themselves. How many times do guys comment on the internet about whether some woman is "doable"? As if the sum total of these women's value was to be considered attractive enough to have sex with them. The funny thing is that most of these women would probably not even look twice at these guys.

The same self delusion seems to be how many guys think that they are good lovers, when the reality is the opposite. Cosmo printed a poll recently that stated that 67% of women had at one point or another faked orgasms (mostly to get the whole thing over with or just not to hurt their partner's feelings).

"Cosmopolitan surveyed over 2,300 women aged 18-40 in an online poll about the female orgasm, and the results were eye-opening. The majority of respondents (67 percent) said they have faked an orgasm with a partner, and 72 percent have been with a partner who climaxed but didn't attempt to help them orgasm. Women also reported that their partners orgasmed 95 percent of the time."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/23/cosmo-orgasm-survey_n_6923934.html

Yeah, women are the selfish gender........

[riversedge]

55. sick.

[Surya Gayatri]

57. Twisted view of humanity, for sure...

[stillwaiting]

62. Well, isn't he special?! Selfish prick. nt

[Surya Gayatri]

64. Pot accusing kettle of selfishness...

Ignorant prick, besides selfish.

And, the alarming part is, this guy preaches to hundreds of impressionable young Muslims every Friday, in a country that is in crisis mode after the recent trauma involving radical Islam. (Charlie Hebdo)

[Coventina]

63. If that's "moderate" Islam, it still has no place in modern society.

[Surya Gayatri]

65. Like I said upthread, I hope the French authorities are revising

his qualification as 'moderate' on their terror watch list. And, agree with urge to .

[Coventina]

66. I hope so as well. Sadly, I think the link between misogyny and terrorism is one that is often

overlooked.

[Surya Gayatri]

67. Yes, if you can verbally ostracize 51% of the population,

what's to stop you from torturing and murdering them at will?

[Coventina]

68. Especially since "Allah" has created them to be intrinsically inferior, and they only have the

rights men deign to give them.

Excuse me, I have to go


I'm sick and tired of this bronze-age crap........

[Surya Gayatri]

69. What I CANNOT understand is that Muslim women put up with this crap...

enabling and abetting the men in their lives.

I guess if you're brought up under a patriarchal regime, and are indoctrinated with the idea that you are inherently inferior to your male master, you can only believe it.

And, yes, once again.

[Coventina]

70. They put up with it because the alternative is "hell". Both here and the hereafter.

Patriarchy has a certain appeal: it presents a structure where you "belong" and if everyone follows the rules, you will be rewarded.

However, the trap is that the rules are NEVER followed, and if you are in the position of being powerless (a woman) there is no way to appeal for justice. You're just supposed to suck it up and wait for your reward in heaven.

"Live on hay, you get pie in the sky when you die."

[Surya Gayatri]

72. Trembling in fear of 'hell' IS one way of structuring your time, I guess...

[Coventina]

73. Like I said, it's a trap. The problem is, attempting to leave the mass delusion earns you a death

sentence as well.

[Surya Gayatri]

76. True dat. Converting out of the faith can lead to a death fatwah.

[Rex]

71. Wow. I've seen that look before. Reminds me of a few teachers I had in college.

They knew their shit, but were arrogant and always felt like they were right on every subject in the world. He probably is a moderate considering how women get treated in the Middle East by some fiefdoms. Sad to say.

[Surya Gayatri]

77. Hubris, arrogance and superciliousness...have I missed any qualifiers?

[Rex]

94. I think some of them are also straight up women haters

that can hide behind the iman and their religion. So add sadistic to that list too.

[Surya Gayatri]

95. In his particular case, I'd say that comes top of the list...

[Zorra]

78. He's just an ignorant, dangerous asshole, teaching other dangerous, ignorant assholes how to be

more effective at being dangerous ignorant assholes.

[Surya Gayatri]

80. Well, yes...

And sadly, a lot of them are impressionable young men who will take his 'teachings' on board, and think that beating their wives and heading off to kill the 'infidels' is just dandy.

[Surya Gayatri]

82. Preach it, sister! Bring on hell, then, if this is his

way to '77 celestial virgins'.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

85. sorry Surya, I deleted before I saw you had replied. but, yeah -

this asshole needs to fuck right off. I don't want his heaven.

[Surya Gayatri]

89. Kinda hard to juggle the 'incomings and outgoings' sometimes. LOL!

[guillaumeb]

81. another view here

also from the text:

Contacted by FRANCE 24, the French Muslim Council (CFCM), the department of religions of the French Interior Ministry and the mayor’s office in Montpellier all refused to comment on Imam Khattabi’s remarks on women.
This kind of rhetoric has got Khattabi in trouble before. After ten years as the rector of the Grand Mosque of Montpellier, Khattabi was forced out of his post in November last year by the mosque’s governing association, ACMIR.
The association, which preaches “togetherness” and “openness” said the imam’s views were “not compatible” with its own vision.
"Mohamed Khattabi is alleged to have taken decisions and given 'orders without advising legal managers' and to have used ‘Friday sermons for personal goals", reported regional daily le Midi Libre at the time.
Yet, up to that point, Khattabi had been known more for his pacifism and tolerance.
In June 2013, while still imam of the Grand Mosque of Montpellier, he described himself to the French daily Le Monde as a “promoter of an Islam within French society, of coexistence”.
After the discovery of the death in Syria of several young jihadists from the town of Lunel, located 30km from Montpellier, he issued a warning to other young French Muslims not to get “bamboozled” by extremist organisations, like the Islamic State group.


When one speaks of Islam as a single entity, with one viewpoint, problems arise. The article speaks of the Imam being forced from a position by ACMIR, the governing organization of the Mosque. So my quarrel with the post is that by focusing solely on the Imam's remarks the poster is presenting the view that Islam IS a religion with one single view of the role of women.

(Mon opinion seulement)

[Surya Gayatri]

87. Hey, thanks for looking into the 'back story' on this...

'In June 2013, while still imam of the Grand Mosque of Montpellier, (Khattabi) described himself to the French daily Le Monde as a “promoter of an Islam within French society, of coexistence”.'

Oh, reeeeally? How's that working out for ya, O Great One?

[mnhtnbb]

83. See, it's all in the definition of "selfish". Any time a woman doesn't agree with a man

on his needs/wants coming first, well, that's selfish, according to this guy.

That penis is powerful stuff to the patriarchal types. Doesn't matter what the
religion, the penis comes first, and any woman who doesn't acknowledge that, well,
she's just "selfish".

OK, getting ready for my very first hide.

[Surya Gayatri]

90. I'll get behind that 'firewall' with you and say I couldn't agree more

about the 'power of the penis' in fundamentalist religious movements.

[mnhtnbb]

91. There's a lot of similarity between patriarchal religions

whether Christian, Muslim, or Jewish.

[Surya Gayatri]

98. Absolutely, I'd say even identical attempts to 'manage' women

and their 'scary' will to be considered as more than second-class beings.

[riderinthestorm]

84. "Refuses to acknowledge the rights - or rather the goodness that man bestows upon her..."

He's pissed at uppity women in the west who don't know their submissive place in the patriarchy.

We won't "acknowledge" a man's "rights"...to sex, or the "right" to deny us equality, fiscal freedom, reproductive choices, independence and all those other crazy values.

Ugh. Sometimes religions is just such a brainwashing machine it makes me ill.

[Surya Gayatri]

92. And yet, paradoxically, he holds himself up as a

paragon of religious co-existence in France!

See here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026435980#post81
'In June 2013, while still imam of the Grand Mosque of Montpellier, he described himself to the French daily Le Monde as a “promoter of an Islam within French society, of coexistence”.'

[Beacool]

86. Paternalistic bullcrap!!!

The kindness of men???????? Throughout centuries women were treated like second class citizens without the right to vote or even own property. They were passed from their father to their husband, as if they were children who couldn't survive without a man to take care of them. Every right that women have achieved have been fought hard by the women of the era. There's still wage inequality. There's still sexism in Western societies, let alone in other cultures.

What is this idiot talking about?

[Surya Gayatri]

99. I'm sure I don't know, but he holds himself up as a

model of religious tolerance and co-existence in France.

See here:

'In June 2013, while still imam of the Grand Mosque of Montpellier, he described himself to the French daily Le Monde as a “promoter of an Islam within French society, of coexistence”.'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026435980#post81

[yuiyoshida]

88. Well guessing he won't recieve

Any Chocolates for Valentines day, or any gifts either from Woman. It must be horrible to spend your life with your nose wrapped in a book, and not living life with some of us around. He's certainly a bitter guy, ne?

[Surya Gayatri]

101. I don't give a damn about the guy's personal

heartbreaks or 'chagrin d'amour' with females.

My concern is that he's preaching this misogynistic shite to hundreds of impressionable young Muslims every damn Friday in the 'proudly secular' country of France.

[yuiyoshida]

106. I am pretty sure his personal heartbreaks

and failures is what influences him to teach this misogynistic crap..other wise why go all the trouble to focus on one aspect of Islamic teachings.

[Surya Gayatri]

107. In that case, he's not fit to preach or teach to young

impressionable minds.

If personal prejudices have corrupted his intellectual approach, he shouldn't be allowed to excercise his profession, Imam (teacher).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teachers_in_Islam

[yuiyoshida]

110. I think you will find many examples of

this kind of thinking in among all kinds of religious teachings. Religions where ministers are morally corrupt and have passed down this kind of thinking for generations. Yes they should be removed, but who will remove them? Not much policing among their own peers. Perhaps its why the Catholic Church moved Child molesting Clergy from one spot to another, to avoid more scandal.

[Surya Gayatri]

111. 'Not much policing among their own peers.' Certainly

not by the lowly females in his flock...

[Manifestor_of_Light]

96. I've heard the same kind of sexist crap here in the U.S.

Educated women such as myself are BAD. As far as I can tell, Christianity's formula is penis = wisdom. Just like the other two Abrahamic religions. The Trinity is all male, so there is no room for female deities unless you're Catholic and pray to Mary as an intercessor.

Where I live, men will assume that my husband owns the house so they address him. Or they call him by "Mr. My Last Name".

It's not funny when you realize that people take this crap seriously.

[Surya Gayatri]

102. "It's not funny when you realize that people take this crap seriously."

Especially in a country where over 10% of the population is Muslim and they can hear this kind of shite every Friday at the mosque.

Young Muslim men hear this crap and then go home with a pretext to beat their wives and girlfriends.

(Not to mention having a pass to go off to Islamic war zones where they can kill and torture with impunity...)

[LittleBlue]

100. If he's moderate, what do the not-moderate imams in France think?

This is why I politely pass when people come to my door with their religious solutions to life. Nope, we are not interested, have a nice day! ........

[Surya Gayatri]

103. The really radical ones preach behind closed doors and on the secret websites...

[Dems to Win]

104. The Abrahamic god is a sexist, cruel, capricious asshole

Not a being worthy of worship, in my view. I support Lot's wife.

In order to pretend that Islam, Judaism, or Christianity is not a sexist religion, practitioners have to be willing to ignore large swaths of their holy books.

Seeking a 'moderate' Islam is a fool's errand. This guy is representing the reality of Islam and Yahweh.

[Surya Gayatri]

105. Oh, they do exist, but only when educated enough

to understand that their religion's particular holy writ cannot be the prescription for a liberal, tolerant society.

[Coventina]

114. Thank you!!!

It can't be said enough.

The entire Abrahamic tradition is misogynistic, racist, and violent to its core.

[hifiguy]

109. Another woman-hating religulous asshole.

What a surprise. Not.

[Hekate]

112. Oooh, looks like someone's woman gave him some sass at home.

Jerk.

[Surya Gayatri]

113. 'Mal-baisé' is an insult in France...LOL!

Means 'not getting any', and behaving badly because of it...

[Hekate]

118. I like it.

[LeftishBrit]

115. He'd certainly find plenty of 'entente' with the likes of Pat Robertson et al!

[Surya Gayatri]

116. ^^^This!^^^

[Matariki]

117. What with our defective 'lady brains' and all

[Surya Gayatri]

119. And, our scary 'lady parts'--what's a poor phallocrat to do?

[Matariki]

131. "phallocrat"

great term!

[Coventina]

122. Kicking for more visibility....

[Surya Gayatri]

124. Thanks Coventina...wanted to say, what a nice screen name!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coventina
Coventina was a Romano-British goddess of wells and springs.

[Little Tich]

125. The Patriarchy is strong in this one. n/t

[Surya Gayatri]

126. Not to mention the blinkered ignorance!

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[merrily]

127. POS premise.