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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIndiana lawmakers appear to be shook...
I don't believe they anticipated the backlash from major corporations...
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)their next meal, frankly. Morons abound.
mucifer
(23,487 posts)They are good at that.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)The amount of folks who will patronize your business because you're a bigot is much smaller...
Common sense...
yardwork
(61,539 posts)This is really a two-fer for the red states. They get to bully the gays - who have gotten uppity lately and won't stay in the closet where we belong - AND it's just possible that they've figured out a way around those annoying Civil Rights Acts that forced decent God-fearing white business owners into serving "those" people. 1952 here we come!
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)"What is the problem they're trying to solve?" McCrory asked during Monday's broadcast of WFAE's Charlotte Talks program.
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Senators have already passed a bill that would allow magistrates opt out of performing weddings if they have a "sincere religious objection" to performing particular ceremonies. The measure, which is now making its way through the House, is seen as a way to shield magistrates who do not want to perform same-sex marriages.
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During the same discussion, McCrory said he didn't see the need for a broader religious freedom bill that would protect a number of businesses and state officials from liability should they refuse service based on their personal religious beliefs. The topic of the "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" was at the center of national media attention this weekend, as leaders of large companies said they did not want to do businesses in states that pass such legislation.
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Read more at http://www.wral.com/mccrory-expresses-displeasure-with-nc-religious-freedom-law-proposals/14549302/#kRG3Qt9ALfRLbZmd.99
If there's one thing ol' Pat understands, it's money.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)Scruffy Rumbler
(961 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Many, many people fight and have long fought for LGBT rights and against discrimination.
And a lot of them aren't LGBT.
I'm sorry that you don't recognize that.
Scruffy Rumbler
(961 posts)No one ever expected the Spanish Inquisition either....
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.
At the signing of the Declaration of Independence
http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/quotable/quote71.htm
CincyDem
(6,338 posts)Sure...there are 20+ other state with similar laws on the books and Pence can quote the federal law from the early 90's but today's a different day. Those laws went into effect quietly but those were the days...those were the days.
I don't know when those other states signed their hate bills into law but AZ backed away from this last year after getting a preview of what the world might be like if Brewer signed the bill. Apparently Pence and the other Indiana lawmakers are experiential learners. Instead of learning from AZ's experience, they just charged on like it was 1993.
I'm glad Indiana signed the bill because it seems to have catalyzed an undeniable popular response that will give the next state more reason to think before they act on a hate bill like this.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)I get the same sex wedding cake thing but how the hell does somebody divine who is gay and who isn't ?
RKP5637
(67,088 posts)and Identification Division" of Pence's regime.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)CincyDem
(6,338 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)publically....does that leave them open for some sort of law suit?
libodem
(19,288 posts)Let us all know. Maybe an official list can be started. Hmmmm? Perhaps this is a niche for creating new industry?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)similar in that they are laws about marijuana, but also opposite because Colorado's makes marijuana legal while Texas' makes marijuana into a crime.
Here's a bit from The Atlantic:
" The Washington Post, seems to believe that if a law has a similar title as another law, they must be identical. Indiana is actually soon to be just one of 20 states with a version of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, or RFRA, the Posts Hunter Schwarz wrote, linking to this map created by the National Conference of State Legislatures.
The problem with this statement is that, well, its false. That becomes clear when you read and compare those tedious state statutes. If you do that, you will find that the Indiana statute has two features the federal RFRAand most state RFRAsdo not. First, the Indiana law explicitly allows any for-profit business to assert a right to the free exercise of religion. The federal RFRA doesnt contain such language, and neither does any of the state RFRAs except South Carolinas; in fact, Louisiana and Pennsylvania, explicitly exclude for-profit businesses from the protection of their RFRAs.
The new Indiana statute also contains this odd language: A person whose exercise of religion has been substantially burdened, or is likely to be substantially burdened, by a violation of this chapter may assert the violation or impending violation as a claim or defense in a judicial or administrative proceeding, regardless of whether the state or any other governmental entity is a party to the proceeding. (My italics.) Neither the federal RFRA, nor 18 of the 19 state statutes cited by the Post, says anything like this; only the Texas RFRA, passed in 1999, contains similar language.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/what-makes-indianas-religious-freedom-law-different/388997/
CincyDem
(6,338 posts)I still stand by my "the times they are a changin'" comment but I can see from your comment why Indiana is different (and more egregious). Thanks.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)worse. I just keep hearing Republicans claim the Federal Law is the same or those in Illinois or other Blue States and this is simply not the case. Pence says Obama voted for a law like his, but Obama did no such thing. The difference is very important. Also important, that the times they are a changin, as the present now will later be past, the order is rapidly fadin.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)RKP5637
(67,088 posts)they can't comprehend is many people are fed up with discrimination, discrimination of all types, and ones brand of religion being shoved on them.
Also national and international corporations (many) are really fed up with this type of shit. It's in their way of doing business. They are interested in providing products and services, not consumer discrimination.
It's really a crappy business model to introduce discrimination, unless that is what one is marketing. Apparently these jerks in Indiana are trying to market their state as the state of hatred and discrimination, seems that's what they want, seems that's what Pence wants. How immature and pathetic! What fools!
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)There was a shitstorm of backlash before Brewer vetoed the bill.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)or the will of the zealous, religious Right who only happen to have a foothold in the state parlimentary process?