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Indiana lawmakers appear to be shook... (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 OP
I suspect the most they're capable of anticipating is MineralMan Mar 2015 #1
It will be interesting to see if the red states double down on hate mucifer Mar 2015 #2
There are an appreciable amount of folks who won't patronize your business if you're a bigot. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #4
They will. North Carolina is preparing to pass the same bill. yardwork Mar 2015 #17
McCrory expresses displeasure with NC 'religious freedom' law proposals WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2015 #23
So true! I have to laugh. yardwork Mar 2015 #24
Well, one never expects defense of the icky gays by, well.....anyone! nt Scruffy Rumbler Mar 2015 #3
what? seriously? cali Mar 2015 #10
Seriously? You couldn't find the sarcasm in that? Scruffy Rumbler Mar 2015 #22
The Quotable Franklin Downwinder Mar 2015 #16
No one expects to be "the last straw". CincyDem Mar 2015 #5
I still have not got a satisfactory answer... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #7
Next they will want tattooed foreheads to identify sexuality/orientation by "The Sex Registration RKP5637 Mar 2015 #9
I don't get it either. Dumbest law ever. Glimmer of Hope Mar 2015 #11
Cuz they can "smell in it the air, those Hoosiers". CincyDem Mar 2015 #13
What if the business owner discerns incorrectly and refuses services and humiliates a fundy customer Sheepshank Mar 2015 #19
When you have the answer libodem Mar 2015 #18
Those other laws are not really similar. Colorado and Texas both have marijuana laws and they are Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #12
Thanks for the clarification. CincyDem Mar 2015 #14
Well the times are certainly changing. And the right wing laws crafted in reaction change for the Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #21
They need to be grabbed by the scruff of the neck and shook until the stupid falls out. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #6
They thought they would be on the winning side, people applauding their discrimination. What RKP5637 Mar 2015 #8
Were these dumbasses not paying attention to Arizona's experience? Arugula Latte Mar 2015 #15
I wondered if the Goverment was really promoting the will of the business community Sheepshank Mar 2015 #20

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
4. There are an appreciable amount of folks who won't patronize your business if you're a bigot.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:03 AM
Mar 2015

The amount of folks who will patronize your business because you're a bigot is much smaller...

Common sense...

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
17. They will. North Carolina is preparing to pass the same bill.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:58 AM
Mar 2015

This is really a two-fer for the red states. They get to bully the gays - who have gotten uppity lately and won't stay in the closet where we belong - AND it's just possible that they've figured out a way around those annoying Civil Rights Acts that forced decent God-fearing white business owners into serving "those" people. 1952 here we come!

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
23. McCrory expresses displeasure with NC 'religious freedom' law proposals
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 01:42 PM
Mar 2015
Raleigh, N.C. — Gov. Pat McCrory told a Charlotte radio host Monday that he would veto a bill that would allow magistrates to opt out of performing weddings and didn't see the need for a broader religious freedom bill.

"What is the problem they're trying to solve?" McCrory asked during Monday's broadcast of WFAE's Charlotte Talks program.

....

Senators have already passed a bill that would allow magistrates opt out of performing weddings if they have a "sincere religious objection" to performing particular ceremonies. The measure, which is now making its way through the House, is seen as a way to shield magistrates who do not want to perform same-sex marriages.

....

During the same discussion, McCrory said he didn't see the need for a broader religious freedom bill that would protect a number of businesses and state officials from liability should they refuse service based on their personal religious beliefs. The topic of the "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" was at the center of national media attention this weekend, as leaders of large companies said they did not want to do businesses in states that pass such legislation.

....

Read more at http://www.wral.com/mccrory-expresses-displeasure-with-nc-religious-freedom-law-proposals/14549302/#kRG3Qt9ALfRLbZmd.99


If there's one thing ol' Pat understands, it's money.
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. what? seriously?
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:24 AM
Mar 2015

Many, many people fight and have long fought for LGBT rights and against discrimination.

And a lot of them aren't LGBT.

I'm sorry that you don't recognize that.

Scruffy Rumbler

(961 posts)
22. Seriously? You couldn't find the sarcasm in that?
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 01:06 PM
Mar 2015

No one ever expected the Spanish Inquisition either....

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
16. The Quotable Franklin
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:56 AM
Mar 2015

We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.

At the signing of the Declaration of Independence

http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/quotable/quote71.htm

CincyDem

(6,338 posts)
5. No one expects to be "the last straw".
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:11 AM
Mar 2015


Sure...there are 20+ other state with similar laws on the books and Pence can quote the federal law from the early 90's but today's a different day. Those laws went into effect quietly but those were the days...those were the days.

I don't know when those other states signed their hate bills into law but AZ backed away from this last year after getting a preview of what the world might be like if Brewer signed the bill. Apparently Pence and the other Indiana lawmakers are experiential learners. Instead of learning from AZ's experience, they just charged on like it was 1993.

I'm glad Indiana signed the bill because it seems to have catalyzed an undeniable popular response that will give the next state more reason to think before they act on a hate bill like this.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
7. I still have not got a satisfactory answer...
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:13 AM
Mar 2015

I get the same sex wedding cake thing but how the hell does somebody divine who is gay and who isn't ?

RKP5637

(67,088 posts)
9. Next they will want tattooed foreheads to identify sexuality/orientation by "The Sex Registration
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:18 AM
Mar 2015

and Identification Division" of Pence's regime.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
19. What if the business owner discerns incorrectly and refuses services and humiliates a fundy customer
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 12:11 PM
Mar 2015

publically....does that leave them open for some sort of law suit?

libodem

(19,288 posts)
18. When you have the answer
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 12:09 PM
Mar 2015

Let us all know. Maybe an official list can be started. Hmmmm? Perhaps this is a niche for creating new industry?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
12. Those other laws are not really similar. Colorado and Texas both have marijuana laws and they are
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:28 AM
Mar 2015

similar in that they are laws about marijuana, but also opposite because Colorado's makes marijuana legal while Texas' makes marijuana into a crime.
Here's a bit from The Atlantic:
" The Washington Post, seems to believe that if a law has a similar title as another law, they must be identical. “Indiana is actually soon to be just one of 20 states with a version of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, or RFRA,” the Post’s Hunter Schwarz wrote, linking to this map created by the National Conference of State Legislatures.

The problem with this statement is that, well, it’s false. That becomes clear when you read and compare those tedious state statutes. If you do that, you will find that the Indiana statute has two features the federal RFRA—and most state RFRAs—do not. First, the Indiana law explicitly allows any for-profit business to assert a right to “the free exercise of religion.” The federal RFRA doesn’t contain such language, and neither does any of the state RFRAs except South Carolina’s; in fact, Louisiana and Pennsylvania, explicitly exclude for-profit businesses from the protection of their RFRAs.

The new Indiana statute also contains this odd language: “A person whose exercise of religion has been substantially burdened, or is likely to be substantially burdened, by a violation of this chapter may assert the violation or impending violation as a claim or defense in a judicial or administrative proceeding, regardless of whether the state or any other governmental entity is a party to the proceeding.” (My italics.) Neither the federal RFRA, nor 18 of the 19 state statutes cited by the Post, says anything like this; only the Texas RFRA, passed in 1999, contains similar language.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/what-makes-indianas-religious-freedom-law-different/388997/

CincyDem

(6,338 posts)
14. Thanks for the clarification.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:34 AM
Mar 2015


I still stand by my "the times they are a changin'" comment but I can see from your comment why Indiana is different (and more egregious). Thanks.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. Well the times are certainly changing. And the right wing laws crafted in reaction change for the
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 12:23 PM
Mar 2015

worse. I just keep hearing Republicans claim the Federal Law is the same or those in Illinois or other Blue States and this is simply not the case. Pence says Obama voted for a law like his, but Obama did no such thing. The difference is very important. Also important, that the times they are a changin, as the present now will later be past, the order is rapidly fadin.

RKP5637

(67,088 posts)
8. They thought they would be on the winning side, people applauding their discrimination. What
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:14 AM
Mar 2015

they can't comprehend is many people are fed up with discrimination, discrimination of all types, and ones brand of religion being shoved on them.

Also national and international corporations (many) are really fed up with this type of shit. It's in their way of doing business. They are interested in providing products and services, not consumer discrimination.

It's really a crappy business model to introduce discrimination, unless that is what one is marketing. Apparently these jerks in Indiana are trying to market their state as the state of hatred and discrimination, seems that's what they want, seems that's what Pence wants. How immature and pathetic! What fools!

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
15. Were these dumbasses not paying attention to Arizona's experience?
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:53 AM
Mar 2015

There was a shitstorm of backlash before Brewer vetoed the bill.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
20. I wondered if the Goverment was really promoting the will of the business community
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 12:13 PM
Mar 2015

or the will of the zealous, religious Right who only happen to have a foothold in the state parlimentary process?

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