Carly Fiorina is expected to announce a campaign for president

[Cosmic Kitten]

Hillary will have an woman
with leadership experience
as a rival in 2016.

Former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, who is expected to announce a campaign for president, said over the weekend that she could improve the economy by cutting federal worker pay because they were "watching porn all day long."

In a Sunday interview with Fox News host Chris Wallace, Fiorina said that there was a "higher than 90 percent" chance that she would become a Republican presidential candidate.

The former HP CEO explained that she would make a formidable candidate "because I understand technology: a transformational tool, because I understand bureaucracies, how they work and how you need to change them. And our government is a huge bureaucracy."

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/03/fiorinas-presidential-plan-save-economy

[upaloopa]

1. Leadership in what, how to run a company

into the ground and how to lose elections?

[Cosmic Kitten]

4. She has a CEO "credential"

Fiorina gave Elizabeth Warren
credit during the interview.

Clearly Fiorina is staking out
some "populist" territory.

[upaloopa]

6. No damn way she is a populist!

She is Cruella
CEO's make millions while cutting wages and sending jobs overseas.

[Cosmic Kitten]

8. Sure, campaign rhetoric isn't reality...

but what politician
doesn't say what
people want to hear?

[cali]

15. Fuck that piece of shit, Fiorini. She made revolting comments

yesterday about how workers do nothing but watch pornography/

[Cosmic Kitten]

17. Yep, but she will appeal to right-wing fundies

[SomethingFishy]

25. She said sending jobs overseas is not "offshoring" but "right shoring"

when she killed thousands of US jobs at HP.

I wonder if that will be one of her campaign slogans.. "Fiornia for President: Right Shoring Your Jobs".

[Cosmic Kitten]

28. I "shore" hope so ;~)

[Enthusiast]

52. Of course she isn't a real populist. She is just another lying Republican.

[Travis_0004]

82. And Hillary was on Walmarts board of directors.

not sure that is an improvement.

[BainsBane]

113. And there you are trumping up a Republican

Showing that your antipathy for Clinton has nothing to do with what you claim. You denounce Clinton for being neoliberal, while touting the "leadership" of a fucking corporate CEO. You have showed your backside here.


The good thing about the recent anti-Clinton threads is that people are showing their true colors, and that they their claims that the Democrats aren't left enough are pure bullshit.

[Cosmic Kitten]

115. "touting"... bwahahaha

Feel free to elaborate

[BainsBane]

116. Your posts speak for themselves

No elaboration is necessary.

[Cosmic Kitten]

119. Why would you post to me?

You incorrectly chastised
me with some incoherent
rant and you feel no need
to elaborate? M'kay

Reading comprehension...
it's free, solves problems,
and is generally a good thing,
try it

[BainsBane]

121. So I totally hallucinated this thread

in which you express glee for Carly Fiorina's entering the race and how you look forward to her being used against Clinton.
I read just fine thanks, and I'm not the only one. Other people have called you on it in this thread.


Your OP

Hillary will have an woman
with leadership experience
as a rival in 2016.

16. Would she be a useful stalking horse against Hillary?

You go ahead and tell everyone how that really doesn't mean what it says, and how stupid we are in thinking it was meant to be English.

She has a CEO "credential"

Fiorina gave Elizabeth Warren
credit during the interview.

Clearly Fiorina is staking out
some "populist" territory.

There were no quotes around leadership in the OP, but the thread wasn't received as enthusiastically as you hoped. The person making the claim about leadership credentials in the OP was you, no one else.

You really aren't nearly as clever as you think.

[Cosmic Kitten]

124. Actually, you "assume" what's not there.

There is no opinion
or support of Fiorina above.
Just the objective facts.

A CEO is a "leadership" role.
Where is it suggested she
was good at her job?
Is there ANY defense of Fiorina?

A GOP woman candidate could
be considered a stalking horse
against a Clinton candidacy.

Stalking horse: a political candidate
who runs only in order to provoke
the election and thus allow a stronger
candidate to come forward.

Fiorina, in the interview said...
"Elizabeth Warren is right. Crony capitalism
is alive and well..."

Seriously, you read too much into
what is actually there... and project the rest.

You should apologize for your misguided accusations.

[hrmjustin]

130. Are you going to sign up for her campaign?

You seem enamored.

[ND-Dem]

5. +100. Yeah, we're all waiting for carly to announce with baited breath. Because she's a

woman!

Now shitty female candidates can compete with shitty male candidates to screw the 99%. Ain't "equality" great???

"Equality" for the 5%, scraps for everyone else = the new normal.

[Agschmid]

13. This.

[Cosmic Kitten]

16. Would she be a useful stalking horse against Hillary?

[Vincardog]

127. Yes she ran Hewlett Packard into the ground so badly they paid MILLIONS to have Carly Fiorina LEAVE

[customerserviceguy]

131. Even Repukes know that she is a total failure

Just another clown out of the car.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. OK. But president of what?

[Cosmic Kitten]

9. The right-wing of America?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

19. Don't the huckster, parry, and Rubeieio have that all wrapped up,

with Ted Cruisin for a bruisin against them?

[Cosmic Kitten]

29. Well, maybe veep?

Someone has to split the
women's Hillary votes

[TheNutcracker]

3. The next 'Sarah'

[Cosmic Kitten]

7. Carly isn't prone to word salads

I wouldn't take her too lightly.
The MSM will promote her.

The MSM would love a
competitive race between
Hillary and Carley.

It would be a huge ratings boost
with the female demographics.

[upaloopa]

10. You don't know anything about her do you ?

Study her campaigns in CA for a history lesson.

[Cosmic Kitten]

14. umm?

This is not a pro Carley thread.

Just bringer her imminent
campaign to the community's
attention

What do I need to "know"
about her?

[upaloopa]

18. Seems your message has changed from your

OP.
To even compare her to Hillary is insulting to Hillary even if you don't like Hillary.

[Cosmic Kitten]

30. LOL, I'm not comparing anything!

Just making note that Fiorina
is going to run, and is the repubs
best bet to get the "woman for president"
votes.

My "message" is that Carly
is 90% sure she is going to run.
The end.

Oh, and she will get Koch money
if she runs

[KamaAina]

31. Has anyone ever seen her and Sarah Palin in the same place at the same time?

I mean, c'mon, remember the demon sheep ad?

[riversedge]

102. no, but castrating sheep ad worked well for JONI

[Cosmic Kitten]

105. Good point!

Joni came off as strong and brassy.
Voters want a "strong" candidate
that stands FOR something.

[KamaAina]

114. It was hogs

[chemenger]

11. Ranked as one of the worst tech CEOs ever

and she thinks she has the qualifications to be POTUS

That is about par for the course, looking over her potential rivals for Republican nominee.

[Cosmic Kitten]

12. If repub men think she is "hot"

her record won't matter at all

[spanone]

20. carly couldn't carry hillary's purse.

[leftofcool]

27. +1

[Cosmic Kitten]

32. Emotion trumps reason

Right-wingers and the
anti-Clinton voters don't care
about how smart Hillary might be.

[Avalux]

21. Leadership experience?

Being the leader didn't work out for her so well.....plus she lost her senate race.

Walter Hewlett, you may remember, was the low-key, cello-playing scion of the Hewlett family who fought HP's then-CEO, Carly Fiorina, over her planned $25 billion merger with Compaq, which was announced 10 years ago next month.

Hewlett's point was simple: Just maybe it's a really bad idea to double down on a low-margin business like PCs.

Of course, we all know what happened. Hewlett's opposition was no match for the publicity-savvy Fiorina and her team of brass-knuckled marketers, who seemed a better fit for politics than the high-tech industry. (Which explains Carly's second career as the Republican loser in the race for one of California's seats in the U.S. Senate.) Hewlett folded his cards, went back to his quiet life, and Fiorina got fired three years after the merger because she was better at selling an idea than running a really, really big company.

http://www.cnet.com/news/hps-carly-fiorina-era-is-finally-over-good-riddance/

[Cosmic Kitten]

33. Umm, you don't have to convince me.

It's the folks who are anti-Clinton
or think we need a woman president
who need convincing.

Just saying

[Avalux]

57. It's what you wrote....

that Hillary will have a woman with leadership experience as a rival. Just struck me as strange to label her that way, since she really doesn't.

You know, I think these GOPers who run for president and clearly have no chance of winning do it as a way to make money. It's a racket.

[Cosmic Kitten]

59. It's simply how the MSM will portray her

Her CEO credential
will be touted as "experience"
on Faux Nooz.

Their voters won't look
closer or think beyond that
sound byte.

Obama "had no chance of
winning" in many people's view.
But he did.

And it's not just a
right-wing thing...
the racket money thingy.

[Erose999]

22. Because HP is on the cutting edge of technology, right? all those printers and flatbed scanners are

just so exciting.

[Cosmic Kitten]

34. Ya think old, white, republicans know or care?

[Erose999]

55. You're right about that, most of them are still connecting to the internet via AOL dial up.

[Vinca]

23. Isn't her primary claim to fame destroying companies?

That, of course, makes her the perfect candidate for the GOP given their long history of taking the country into debt and bringing down the economy when they're in the White House.

[Cosmic Kitten]

36. Actually, those who say Govt doesn't work...

would be fine with a
pipe wrench in the
executive branch

[hifiguy]

24. The Klown Kar is going to be bursting at the seams. nt

[Cosmic Kitten]

39. And hilarity would ensue...

if repubs didn't take themselves seriously.

[djean111]

26. Fiorina is a strong proponent of the H-!B progtram, and considers herself a globalist in that

she is keen to scatter American jobs all over the globe. I knew a lot of folks who lost their jobs and the value of their stocks, at Hewlett Packard. She is a crass salesperson who got ahead by being The First Woman to Be a CEO of a Major IT Company.
This is why I snort at that First woman stuff, and why gender, for me, is no reason to vote for anyone for anything.
As a woman, I am horrified at the thought of Fiorina being elected dogcatcher, much less president.

[Cosmic Kitten]

37. Yep. But right-wingers see that as "strength" of conviction

[Johonny]

35. Given how well recent GOP candidates that never held political office prior to running have done

I can safely say... she won't last long in the race.

[Cosmic Kitten]

38. Depends on who backs her.

She is Koch Brothers material!

[pstokely]

129. aren't they all Kochsucker material?

nt

[Sedona]

40. Stephanie Miller vs Carly Fiorina

Mic drop

Stephanie Miller vs Carly Fiorina

"your degree in medieval history will come in handy in the Republican war on women"

[Cosmic Kitten]

41. Interesting? Not entirely clear.

I used to enjoy her show...
before it turned mean spirited
and started with the potty humor.


head to head, Stephanie
for the win

[hatrack]

42. Who gives a shit? "I can do for America what I did for Hewlett-Packard!"

With a record like hers, gosh, look out Democrats!!

rofl: :

[Cosmic Kitten]

44. Who gives a shit? Anyone who's looking at demographics.

I don't misunderestimate
the right-wing, or it's base.

In a political landscape where
emotion trumps reason,
"facts" are decidedly NOT
on our side!

Think about it.

Bush or Walker will need a
woman to offset or siphon
votes from Hillary...

[hatrack]

47. She's a political baby seal, and she's handing out the clubs herself

Your deep concern is duly noted.

[Cosmic Kitten]

48. "Duly noted", too funny

I'm sure you'll send this
up the chain of command
and make sure the proper
people are made aware
of this situation!


Ya know, if the dems weren't
getting their asses beat election
after election the air of indifference
would be amusing...
but it's not.

How many more seats need
to be lost before Dems actually
put up a plan to WIN some seats?

[hifiguy]

100. That subject line is a keeper.

[Ikonoklast]

92. Do you assume female voters are stupid?

Or that they will vote for a slate that includes Fiorina just because she is woman?

Really sexist line of reasoning there.

[Cosmic Kitten]

106. Stupid isn't based on gender

A lack of critical thinking is
the root of stupid.

Do you deny there are
voters who's vote is influenced
by gender?

I know men who would never
vote for a woman president.
I also know women who would
prefer to vote for a woman.

Those voters do exist,
and it is sexist of them.

Why do you think
McCain picked Sarah Palin?

[Ikonoklast]

120. Because he's an idiot who has made a lifetime full of bad decisions.

[Cosmic Kitten]

125. Well, yeah. But was there an calculus regarding voters?

[Ikonoklast]

133. Palin disproves your thesis however.

[Yorktown]

43. The OP quote is wrong

Former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, who is expected to announce a campaign for president, said over the weekend that she could improve the economy by cutting federal worker pay because they were "watching porn all day long."

In the name of fairness, I listened to the video; it's not what she says.

She said that some auditors said some state employees could watch porn all day long and not be any worse for it.

[Cosmic Kitten]

45. lol, that an interesting takeaway?

did you confuse this OP
with the Media Bubble
narrative?

[Yorktown]

46. True. The error is that of the media quoted by the OP. nt.

[Enthusiast]

50. But we know what she meant. By now we are weasel words experts.

Carly Fiorina is full of lies and misinformation just like the typical Republican.

[Enthusiast]

49. Oh, fuck!

She is trying to co opt populist language. No one in the media will challenge her on it either.

Sickening.

She is little different than her ideological far right primary competition. Subterfuge. Masquerade. Millions will be sucked in because she doesn't sound like a dope like Cruz.

Notice her main thing was dependency on the government. Cut through the weasel words and in other words she wants to cut Social Security and Medicare.

[Cosmic Kitten]

65. Yep, and her base won't notice it untill

their "entitlement"
checks start shrinking

[Enthusiast]

93. RW candidates can rely on their base never questioning anything.

[Cosmic Kitten]

94. Exactly! Emotion trumps facts

And that is partly why
Dems keep losing to repubs.

Don't bring facts to an
emotional debate.

[liberal N proud]

51. How many clowns can you get in a GOP clown car?

[Cosmic Kitten]

64. All of them?

[hobbit709]

53. If you call leadership running Lucent and HP into the ground.

[Cosmic Kitten]

66. I certainly wouldn't...

But what you or I
think is irrelevant
to what the
right-wingers think.

She is a Koch Bros candidate.

[Gothmog]

54. Fiorina is hoping for super pac support

There is no way that she can raise the money needed to run in a normal race and will seeking super pac money to try to compete

[Cosmic Kitten]

68. Koch backed her previously, and will do so again

Koch boys are willing to
put serious money into
this election.

[Erose999]

56. Rumor has it she's pledged her tech knowledge and background into helping Freep get some upgrades...

386DX with 52k ram AND a 3.25 floppy. Take that, liberal scum!!!

[bobalew]

128. That's NOT an HP product & has absolutely NOTHING to do with HP, It was a company owned by several

Israelis who also owned a secondary peripherals company called Reveal, that scammed a Singaporean company called AZTECH Labs to the tune of around $5,000,000.00 back in the mid 90's. They had such bad products & were cost reduced so badly that they had to go out of business, selling their assets to ACER, who had also bought several other PC market losers, like Gateway, and E-machines. Just a little PC market history for ya there. Fiorino STILL performed as badly as these guys, and almost completely dumped HP into the crap barrel. The only thing she's capable of running is a third world sweat shop, not even in China..

[Starry Messenger]

58. What leadership experience?

She's never won an election.

[Cosmic Kitten]

69. She was once a Forbes top 50 woman leader

http://fortune.com/2015/02/04/carly-fiorina-president/

The GOP is using the former HP CEO Carly Fiorina to attack Hillary Clinton. Fiorina loves a good fight—so much that she really could run for President.

[Starry Messenger]

84. She is famous for running her company into the ground.

I live here, she's a joke.

[Cosmic Kitten]

87. Like a Sarah Palin kinda joke?

How will she sell in the flyover states?

[Starry Messenger]

98. Sarah Palin actually won an election

Fiorina is starting below the Palin rung, believe it.

[Cosmic Kitten]

99. True.

It doesn't diminish what
Fiorina represents to GOP voters.

The point is, Fiorina is a
counterweight to Hillary.

Her record, electability, etc
won't matter to a large part
of the electorate.

Emotion trumps reason.
People vote for their "team".
And values matter less and less...
even in this community, "winning"
is seen as more important than values.

As a community we seem to be ok
pointing and laughing at the "clown car".
But THEY are winning more elections!
That's not funny.

The only "strategy" our party has
right now is "not as bad as republicans",
and "vote for Democrats or republicans
will destroy the nation"
And SCOTUS!!!... but ignore that we
don't control the Senate.

[nichomachus]

126. Yeah, running against a guy with a 10% popularity rating

Not a spectacular achievement

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

60. She wants to do for the country what she did for Hewlett-Packard

Wreck it and walk away with big bucks

[Cosmic Kitten]

70. Yep, that's probably why the Koch boys support her

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. Didn't Barbara Boxer beat her ass in a Republican wave election?

[Cosmic Kitten]

71. Indeed, in California, against an incumbent

On a national platform,
running against Hillary
will be a different story.

Unlike Hillary, people
don't have a visceral
opinion about Carly,

[DemocratSinceBirth]

72. How can they have a visceral opinion of someone they don't know?

But your advocacy of her is noted.

[Cosmic Kitten]

74. Oh, It's "noted" bwahaha

re-read the thread.
I'm NOT ADVOCATING anyone.

This thread is about a woman
who will run against Hillary.
That is all it is.

And if you re-read the post
you are replying to it clearly
reads:
"Unlike Hillary, people
don't have a visceral
opinion about Carly... "

So the point is, Fiorina is unknown
and the public hasn't formed
an opinion yet.
That is in her favor.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. Should she get the Republican nomination people would "know her" by the time the election comes.

Am I right?

[Cosmic Kitten]

77. Yes, by that time she will be a known commodity.

The issue at that time will be
whether Fiorina is as polarizing
to the general electorate.

Make no mistake,
this is the GOP's response
to a Clinton campaign.

Now the right-wing can
avoid criticism about not
having a woman candidate.

Her candidacy is a tactical move
designed to deflect criticism
and attract women voters.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

79. This is moot until she actually wins the nomination...

All I know about her is she ruined Hewlett Packard, got her ass kicked by Barbara Boxer in a Republican wave election, and was one of John McCain's point people of the economy in his doomed 2008 election.

What's her position on

-immigration
-choice
-raising the minimum wage
-glbtq rights
-paid leave
-the Affordable Act
-privatizing Medicare
-turning Medicaid into bloc grants...

She's a tabula rosa...

[Cosmic Kitten]

80. Moot you say?

Her candidacy will
definitely have an impact
on the Democratic primary.

Any candidate will need
to speak about WAR, and
WEALTH INEQUALITY.

Those are the issues
that average people
are concerned about.

If the Democrat and Repub
both support Wall St,
and continued wars how
will that look to voters?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. We don't even know if her candidacy will survive the Iowa caucus.../NT

[Tommy_Carcetti]

67. Who?

Joking, sort of.

[Cosmic Kitten]

73. Right? Who indeed?

Kinda like some other
out of nowhere candidates
who went on to win their election.

[Mike Nelson]

76. Yay!

The more clowns on their side, the better we look!

[Cosmic Kitten]

78. Yes and no

If the Du community
sees "clowns" there is
no guarantee the general
electorate will agree.

Additionally, the more
"choices" the right-wing presents
kinda makes the Democrats
look weak in comparison.

How will it look if the Democrats
have 3 or 4 choices when the
right-wing is offering 6 or more?

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

83. I think she is going to find the walls of Palo Alto are rather talkative

She made a lot of enemies at HP who will trample one another to tell their tales.

[Cosmic Kitten]

89. Hope so!

Bring out the skeletons

[hifiguy]

101. Her skeleton closet has to look like

the Roman catacombs.

[Cosmic Kitten]

104. Nice :~)

[TeamPooka]

85. Because if you can't win a Senate Race in your home state the whole country will make you president.

[Cosmic Kitten]

88. Maybe not president. Maybe veep?

And it's more about what
she brings to the debates
than her viability as a
candidate.

[TeamPooka]

91. She brings a lot of baggage and no benefits. nt

[Cosmic Kitten]

95. That may be true in a strict sense, but not entirely

Fiorina will give the GOP
cover from criticisms
of being all male candidates.

She will sway right-leaning
women voters who think it's
time for a woman president.

And she is probaly on the
same side of issues of
Wall St, TPP, and the MIC
as the current Democratic
frontrunner.

Just saying, she has baggage,
but tactically she does bring
benefits to the GOP.

[TeamPooka]

96. She is as viable a candidate as Donald Trump. nt

[Cosmic Kitten]

97. Perhaps, in terms of "electability"

But Trump also serves
a tactical purpose.

At least he did before
he went completely insane

[HughBeaumont]

86. Chainsaw Carly's never met a "God Given Right" she wasn't willing to "Right-shore".

There's a reason Chainsaw Carly's a CNBC favorite (just on yestereday, as a matter of fact).

During her time at HP (Where she also got a 21 million dollar severance package for a crappy job), she wanted to push through a 60 million dollar bonus for herself and used compensation money to remodel her homeS to the tune of 1.5 million bucks, all while she laid off 28-30 thousand workers.

Yeah, but keep telling us WORKERS are the problem with America.

"Tough Choices", indeed . . .

[Cosmic Kitten]

90. Wall St Corporatists vs 99%

If the campaigns go
down the road of
right-shoreing and jobs
anyone supporting the TPP
will have a lot to
answer for.

I see her as more of a
stalking horse that a
credible candidate.

How will the Dems frame
her on the issues you mentioned?
Our candidates will have similar "baggage"...

[still_one]

103. President of what? How to destroy great companies?

[Cosmic Kitten]

107. You doubt republicans want to break the Govt and privatize everything?

Fiorina would gladly work
for that payday.

If she runs, she will get
backings from the Koch bros.

[still_one]

112. I was referring how she sold HP down the river at the expense of the hp employees

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

108. Calling it now: She won't win a single delegate in the primaries

Not wingnutty enough for the base, and Jebbie has the establishment locked up

[Cosmic Kitten]

109. Probably right.

So why do you think she's announcing?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

110. hoping for a veep pick, I suppose

or maybe doing the typical GOP audition for a future talk show

[Cosmic Kitten]

111. Agreed. A Political opportunist.

The GOP's best ticket
is a Bush-Walker match-up.

Fiorina gives the GOP a
women option depending
on the Democratic ticket.

Her candidacy is tactical.

[DefenseLawyer]

117. What's an unemployed millionaire with too much free time supposed to do?

Run for President, naturally.

[Cosmic Kitten]

118. It does appear to be a "hobby" for some of them

The Donald
Mittens
most notably

[brooklynite]

122. Fiorina: Indiana RFRA "misunderstood"

Indiana's "religious freedom" law has been misunderstood and is an example of everything that is wrong in politics, former Hewlett-Packard Chairman and CEO Carly Fiorina told CNBC on Monday.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102546993

Always a good idea to see if there's a banana peel in front of you before stepping out on an issue.

[pstokely]

132. Does HP do much business in Indiana?

?

[HughBeaumont]

134. Yes, misunderstood. THAT'S it.

Because Pence DIDN'T have an arm-long record of anti-gay statements and actions prior to his term as governor.

Because Pence WASN'T surrounded by fundamentalist clergy when signing RFRA.

Because Pence DIDN'T have anti-gay activists by his side when he signed RFRA, including Curt Smith (who contributed authorship of that legislation), who once likened homosexuality to beastiality and adultery.

NOOOOOOOOOO, this wasn't about "hatin' teh geighs". Just like the Rebel Flag celebrates "heritage".

[closeupready]

123. Yuck. Well, honey, I hope you get the nomination.

lol

[Bluenorthwest]

135. Fiorina's one, single electoin run was against an established Democratic woman and Carly lost by 10%

She also spent millions including 5 million of her very own precious cashola. She was not a formidable candidate, she spent like a drunken sailor while Boxer strolled back to the Senate.

So good luck with your right wing dream candidate!