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RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 01:22 PM Mar 2015

Indiana GOP Leaders Say They're Totally Shocked 'Religious Freedom' Law Is Seen As Anti-Gay

This, just exemplifies just how stupid TPTB are in Indiana. And if not that, then how much they want discrimination under the law.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/30/indiana-anti-gay-law_n_6969286.html


WASHINGTON -- Indiana's Republican leaders said they were shocked, confused and completely caught off-guard by the backlash to their new "religious freedom" law, telling reporters Monday that they had not expected criticism calling the measure anti-gay.

"I don't think anyone anticipated that the characterization of the bill would be, this denies to services to a specific class to Hoosiers. It does just the opposite. It includes all Hoosiers in the religious freedom standard. And it's a misperception that it denies services," said Indiana state House Speaker Brian Bosma (R) during a Monday morning press conference with Indiana Senate President Pro Tem David Long (R).

Long acknowledged that the GOP-controlled legislature did not work with lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights groups on crafting the language of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act because the lawmakers didn't think the bill would affect that community.

"The reason we didn't is because this law doesn't discriminate against anyone," he said. "If we thought it did, we would have dealt with that. We don't believe it does."

That denial is hard to believe. Last year, Arizona's legislature passed a similar piece of legislation. But after national backlash, particularly from businesses concerned about how the law would affect LGBT individuals, then-Gov. Jan Brewer (R) vetoed it. LGBT groups have consistently been sounding the alarm on these so-called "religious freedom" bills as well, warning that they open the door to widespread discrimination where businesses could deny service to same-sex couples.

There were also people in Indiana warning of the consequences before the legislation became law. Even Indiana's Republican mayor said it would send the "wrong signal" for the state. Gen Con, which has been called the largest gaming convention in the country, also threatened to stop holding its event in Indiana if RFRA became law.

And many of the proponents of the law specifically cited discrimination against same-sex couples as the reason the legislation was so important.


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Indiana GOP Leaders Say They're Totally Shocked 'Religious Freedom' Law Is Seen As Anti-Gay (Original Post) RKP5637 Mar 2015 OP
They are flat out lying JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #1
OP needs this... pinboy3niner Mar 2015 #2
Yep, did it! RKP5637 Mar 2015 #3
Nice! pinboy3niner Mar 2015 #4
Yes, Mr. Claude Rains, I'm shocked too! Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #14
Still waiting to hear from Indiana Officials Sheepshank Mar 2015 #5
They are liars. City Lights Mar 2015 #6
Lie is the native tongue of RW self-identified christians. Zorra Mar 2015 #7
There are probably two groups of legislators who supported it. Trillo Mar 2015 #8
The cited reason for the presser was: Pences bad job/poor wording on tv... raised a 'spectre' of salin Mar 2015 #9
They live in a world of delusional mindsets so not surprised. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #10
These republicans are idiots Gothmog Mar 2015 #11
And dumber than a bag of rocks! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author RKP5637 Mar 2015 #16
What is the point of the law but to discriminate? Ace Rothstein Mar 2015 #12
Exactly! The law is about exclusionary practices, yet, they say it does not RKP5637 Mar 2015 #13
(r) Indianpolis Mayor - breaking salin Mar 2015 #17
Excellent!!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #18
This is someone who has a good PR team justiceischeap Mar 2015 #19
actually, he doesn't have a particularly good PR team... but he is smart salin Mar 2015 #21
Greg, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. :) pinboy3niner Mar 2015 #20
David Long is a lying piece of shit. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #22
Yeah right... GLAAD has this posted: SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #23

JustAnotherGen

(31,780 posts)
1. They are flat out lying
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 01:24 PM
Mar 2015

They knew PRECISELY what they were doing. They knew it and went forward with this.

There ain't no takesy backsey on this one boys and girls!

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
5. Still waiting to hear from Indiana Officials
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:01 PM
Mar 2015

what specifically was suppose to be accomplished by this law, and perhaps what incidents percipitated the law to even be written. They keep telling us what the law wasn't suppose to do. Almost always a law comes into play because it's designed to stop or start something because of specific and recurring incidents. It's rare now-a-days that new laws are enacted becasue a serious issue has never come up.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
8. There are probably two groups of legislators who supported it.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:04 PM
Mar 2015

The ones that knew it was about discrimination all along, the proponents, and the more gullible ones that signed on and are just now learning.

salin

(48,955 posts)
9. The cited reason for the presser was: Pences bad job/poor wording on tv... raised a 'spectre' of
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:05 PM
Mar 2015

discrimination.

Not the law itself. Now they have to clean up after the Gov.'s poor press performance!

Delusional.


Response to Gothmog (Reply #11)

Ace Rothstein

(3,144 posts)
12. What is the point of the law but to discriminate?
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 03:17 PM
Mar 2015

I keep seeing supporters of the law say that nobody understands the law. The people saying this keep failing to tell us what the law is supposed to accomplish.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
13. Exactly! The law is about exclusionary practices, yet, they say it does not
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 03:24 PM
Mar 2015

discriminate. It could be they don't understand the definition of discrimination, but I doubt that, and clearly they do understand the definition of hatred and what they wanted to accomplish.

salin

(48,955 posts)
17. (r) Indianpolis Mayor - breaking
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 03:29 PM
Mar 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026437877

Calling for the Legislature to make LGBT a protected class. He (and the city-county council) are concerned that this law could be used to discriminate against Indy citizens by trumping the city ordinance. He has also said that any entity receiving money from the city must follow the city's human rights ordinances.

Oh - and he said what Pence couldn't: Discrimination is wrong.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
19. This is someone who has a good PR team
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 03:55 PM
Mar 2015

Amazing the Mayor has a better PR team than the Governor.

Also, I'm happy he's urging the legislature to make LGBT citizens a protected class. Anyone in the legislature claiming they didn't know this would be perceived as a pro-discrimination bill is lying because people outside their legislature approached them and said as such. That's why the clarification was asked for, and denied by the Republicans.

salin

(48,955 posts)
21. actually, he doesn't have a particularly good PR team... but he is smart
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 04:07 PM
Mar 2015

and is fair. Oh, and he genuinely cares about his city and its citizens.

Not a weasel or a moron like we have come to expect in the teaparty GOP.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
22. David Long is a lying piece of shit.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 04:21 PM
Mar 2015

He needs to be made to understand that the entire freaking internet knows he's a liar. State Dems tried adding amendments that would have afforded some protections. The Republicans rejected this.

There's no crab-walking out of this one. There's no innocent explanation. And there's no explaining this away. These motherfuckers own this law, and they can live or die with it.

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