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SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 05:20 PM Mar 2015

Intolerance of Religion/Christianity?

Within 1 mile of my home, there are more than a dozen churches. But I'm intolerant.

There are TV channels, MegaChurches and prayer meetings. Every 3 days there are religious fliers on my door, every few weeks some of them come banging on my door at dinnertime. But I'm intolerant

They have billboards, posters, signs, websites, podcasts, radio shows, they have stores in the mall for christ sakes... Jesus has a merchandising arm that would make Gene Simmons jealous. But I'm intolerant.

They have lobbyists, representatives, activists and tax free money. The very first amendment to the Constitution is dedicated to their freedom. But I'm intolerant.

They say this is "their" country. But I'm intolerant.

We put up with all this shit, and when we say, "well, I'm sorry, you can have your churches, and MegaChurches, and your fliers, and missionaries, and your posters, billboards and signs, your websites, podcasts, radio shows, and stores, your representatives, activists and your billions in tax free donations, but if you are going to use them to hurt other people, then we are going to have a problem", they go off the fucking deep end.

But I'm... intolerant.















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Intolerance of Religion/Christianity? (Original Post) SomethingFishy Mar 2015 OP
And yes, they and other con artists like Scientology, pay ZERO in taxes... NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #1
Saw the Scientology Doc Going Clear on HBO last night... SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #3
did you come away HATING Tom Cruise like me? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #6
Didn't really like him to begin with but... SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #9
Besides the conditioning that leads some to surrender their own will to a cult, there is tblue37 Mar 2015 #22
My answer is yes! StarzGuy Mar 2015 #92
Mr. Twain got it right a long time ago, as he often did hifiguy Mar 2015 #7
Love this. Thanks for posting it. GreenEyedLefty Mar 2015 #68
Robert Heinlein: "As soon as a man mentions religion, I check my wallet." byronius Mar 2015 #93
I saw the program to... StarzGuy Mar 2015 #90
We need laws to protect us from these zealots! It's a zombie sickness and spreading! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #2
Zombie sickness? OK. I'll take your clue, that you may be a watcher, too... nikto Mar 2015 #49
Even here on DU some people will tell you that Arugula Latte Mar 2015 #4
I'm an atheist, and there are other atheists that seem interested only in picking fights Maedhros Mar 2015 #16
I agree. Ineeda Mar 2015 #71
They're not knocking on doors to tell people their beliefs are wrong Arugula Latte Mar 2015 #82
That's very true Ineeda Mar 2015 #91
Whether Christian or Atheist, it's counter-productive to try and berate others Maedhros Mar 2015 #102
there are other atheists that seem interested only in picking fights AlbertCat Mar 2015 #76
Picking fights with posters on DU who, in good faith, are trying to have reasonable discussions Maedhros Mar 2015 #101
"posters on DU who, in good faith, are trying to have reasonable discussions" Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #103
If I don't allow them to discriminate against me I'm intolerant. Not them. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #5
Now you're learning "Doublespeak" world wide wally Mar 2015 #17
Good points. nt Zorra Mar 2015 #8
Not only are you intolerant, you're going to hell. Avalux Mar 2015 #10
I have a 100% sure fire guaranteed to work solution for Proselytizing. gordianot Mar 2015 #21
Got a passive-aggressive one: give 'em a fake phone number. calimary Mar 2015 #33
I've memorized the local gop headquarters phone number BarbaRosa Mar 2015 #83
Oh man! Thanks! calimary Mar 2015 #84
I like that. or one of the local porn shops, or mmj stores here. niyad Mar 2015 #87
I use this one, "no thanks, I have my own religion". They always look perplexed and leave quickly. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #35
I tell them, "I'm not a superstitious person. Good-bye." Fuddnik Mar 2015 #48
I suggest a variation of "... I have my own religion." chemenger Mar 2015 #81
LOL! I'll do it! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #100
The line I usually here is... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #107
Oh, just hire a night nurse to sleep on your sofa while you clear off for a weekend Warpy Mar 2015 #51
That is right for some you have to take a firm hand to get them to stop. gordianot Mar 2015 #57
Good for you, I hope he was assisted by the front third of your right shoe Warpy Mar 2015 #58
My Father would not have approved. gordianot Mar 2015 #72
Here's One That Worked For Me ProfessorGAC Mar 2015 #75
I have always suspected that many who show up at the door know it is a scam. gordianot Mar 2015 #77
Thumper at the door Teacheral Mar 2015 #86
..... and please come in so I can absorb your energy in anticipation of the next equinox. gordianot Mar 2015 #95
One of the first things I loved about Nichiren Buddhism is the teaching that EVERYONE will be happy DesertDiamond Mar 2015 #63
Well said. blackspade Mar 2015 #11
I'm a highly intolerant left wing Catholic heretic, pacifist, and radical environmentalist... hunter Mar 2015 #12
Same here, but Episcopalian wryter2000 Mar 2015 #80
Most accurate post TxDemChem Mar 2015 #13
I am very pleased to learn that I am not the only secular humanist in Texas. jamesatemple Mar 2015 #61
Glad to hear I am not alone in Tx TxDemChem Mar 2015 #64
Rec and a bump. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #14
Don't forget too that their "god" is on our money, government seal, courts, National Anthem.... NightWatcher Mar 2015 #15
I share your intolerance Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #18
What is your solution? hrmjustin Mar 2015 #19
freedom FROM religion laws. obxhead Mar 2015 #24
That we agree. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #37
I agree including no government funding of religions. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #79
To what? I'm not a Christian. SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #28
" First ride off this shitty forsaken rock..." hrmjustin Mar 2015 #30
It means, that there is no solution. I can't change people, SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #31
I was just asking. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #32
Who is "we"? SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #34
I am a gay Christian and I don't need to prove anything. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #36
?? No you don't. And you do the same... SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #39
I am sorry i was not clear. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #40
Hey, if anyone should be angry about all this it's you... SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #41
No problem my friend! hrmjustin Mar 2015 #43
... Enthusiast Mar 2015 #55
Nice to meet you, intolerant. That's my name too. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #20
I am intolerant. obxhead Mar 2015 #23
Intolerance of religion/Christianity? No. meow2u3 Mar 2015 #25
speaking of which ... napkinz Mar 2015 #26
I heard just today-- digonswine Mar 2015 #27
It's ALL ABOUT "MY religion trumps YOUR rights." calimary Mar 2015 #42
agreed digonswine Mar 2015 #108
K & R Thespian2 Mar 2015 #29
They confuse disregard for intolerance Tom Ripley Mar 2015 #38
sick of whiny so-called Christians Skittles Mar 2015 #44
They have added two more Christian radio Stations and a lot more TV ones in the glinda Mar 2015 #45
The fact that none of them get it is even more amusing... Moostache Mar 2015 #46
It never ceases to amaze me SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #47
Those are great, btw. Thanks for posting them. TDale313 Mar 2015 #53
I am fucking intolerant Lunabell Mar 2015 #50
I am not a Christian yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #52
Your kind of buddhism mixes in satanism? F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #56
To some Christians yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #59
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #54
persecuted ... napkinz Mar 2015 #60
Geee Shizz,,, Cryptoad Mar 2015 #62
Religion is where bigots go ... amuse bouche Mar 2015 #65
This is excellent. K&R nt TBF Mar 2015 #66
I live in a country that used to fight 30 year wars over religion DFW Mar 2015 #67
religion is just the excuse. AlbertCat Mar 2015 #78
I was talking about the 30 years war DFW Mar 2015 #85
Fought on the soil on top of which now sits the house I live in AlbertCat Mar 2015 #89
Agreed. Especially then DFW Mar 2015 #94
The really twisted part is... gregcrawford Mar 2015 #69
I'm Not Intolerant yellowwoodII Mar 2015 #70
k&r.... spanone Mar 2015 #73
K&R demmiblue Mar 2015 #74
only THEY have the right to exist and prosper, free from interference from the rest of us unsaved. niyad Mar 2015 #88
. libodem Mar 2015 #96
. libodem Mar 2015 #97
Because I can: libodem Mar 2015 #98
. libodem Mar 2015 #99
you are definely intolerant guillaumeb Mar 2015 #104
TAX-FREE Churches, might I add. blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #105
Within my town, there are 14 churches and one pub. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2015 #106
I'm in a suburb of Denver.. I work out of Nashville though and the place I stay when I'm there SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #109

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
1. And yes, they and other con artists like Scientology, pay ZERO in taxes...
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 05:23 PM
Mar 2015

This church and no tax shit is making me mad.

But I agree, it is YOU who are intolerant, dont you realize that my intolerance and hatred trumps your right to exist?

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
3. Saw the Scientology Doc Going Clear on HBO last night...
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 05:30 PM
Mar 2015

made me want to invent a religion and get rich off of stupid people.. This honest living shit is apparently for the birds.

The liberal and conservative definitions of "tolerance" are exactly polar opposites.

Liberals: tolerance is not being discriminated against.
Conservatives: tolerance is allowing us to discriminate against whoever we want... or whoever this stupid book tells us to.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
6. did you come away HATING Tom Cruise like me?
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 06:01 PM
Mar 2015

He had the church use children and adults to work for him at 40 cents an hour, he had them create a girlfriend for him, he had them spy on Nicole Kidman and he knows this outfit does horrible things and he not only doesnt rat them out, he seems to LOVE it

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
9. Didn't really like him to begin with but...
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 06:08 PM
Mar 2015

yeah that shit creeped me out... Basically the church gave him slaves.

I still don't understand how they continue to have any kind of following. Once the first moron opened that briefcase with the "Galactic Overlord Xenu" bullshit in it you would think someone would have figured out they'd been had, and the whole thing was just a joke.

tblue37

(64,982 posts)
22. Besides the conditioning that leads some to surrender their own will to a cult, there is
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 07:46 PM
Mar 2015

also the fact that many have already provided information during therapy sessions that can be used to pressure or blackmail them if they ever try to get out. Also, if their friends or families are members, then they hesitate to leave for fear of losing contact with those they love.

StarzGuy

(254 posts)
90. I saw the program to...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:15 PM
Mar 2015

...How can so many people be so gullible? Giving all their money to this fraudulent scheme. I understand why "stars" like Tom Cruise are being used by these fraud merchandisers because he got a lot of stuff from them and actors in general are so stupid to begin with.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
49. Zombie sickness? OK. I'll take your clue, that you may be a watcher, too...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 01:25 AM
Mar 2015
This guy is an apt representative of organized religion on Walking Dead:



(Father Gabriel---A cowardly, hypocritical, blame-shifting religionist jerk)


IMO, on this issue & character, Walking Dead nails it.
 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
4. Even here on DU some people will tell you that
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 05:31 PM
Mar 2015

atheists are just as bad and militant as fundamentalists ... And why? Because those meanies say things against religion on the Internet, they've published a handful of books, and sometimes they put up billboards and bus/subway signs. Oh, the humanity!

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
16. I'm an atheist, and there are other atheists that seem interested only in picking fights
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 07:01 PM
Mar 2015

with religious people. I find them as tiresome as evangelicals.

But overall in society, the gold medal for meddling in others' lives goes to the fundamentalists.

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
71. I agree.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:59 AM
Mar 2015

There are definitely some atheist/anti-theist bullies who are as righteous and obnoxious in their conviction as the bully evangelicals, and as rigid, and as eager to LOUDLY tell anyone who thinks otherwise how wrong they are. Just as the fundies do, they vehemently 'hate the sin AND the sinner'. But, yeah - the prize ultimately goes to the fundies.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
82. They're not knocking on doors to tell people their beliefs are wrong
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:15 AM
Mar 2015

or trying to pass legislation to restrict the rights of believers or saying "There is no god!" before meetings, etc. etc.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
102. Whether Christian or Atheist, it's counter-productive to try and berate others
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 01:02 PM
Mar 2015

into seeing things your way. Using condescension, acrimony, and insults may give one a momentary sense of superiority but ultimately just creates Internet pollution.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
76. there are other atheists that seem interested only in picking fights
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:53 AM
Mar 2015

NO! You don't say!


Should we hide our daughters and lock our door against theses dangerous hordes?



I don't think the few atheists who actively try to get religion out of their lives as much as possible are a real threat, do you?

Then there are religionists who REALLY pick fights.... and kill lots of people.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
101. Picking fights with posters on DU who, in good faith, are trying to have reasonable discussions
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:57 PM
Mar 2015

of religion is not something of which to be proud, IMHO. It's non-productive.

One needn't be an abrasive jerk to get religion out of one's life.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
103. "posters on DU who, in good faith, are trying to have reasonable discussions"
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:10 PM
Mar 2015

You really need to put a *snort* warning before making a statement like that. My keyboard is hasing a sad.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
10. Not only are you intolerant, you're going to hell.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 06:15 PM
Mar 2015

They are the only ones who get to go to heaven. I am not making a blanket statement about all Christians....but I AM making a statement about those who are convinced that everyone on the planet must believe in their god. THEY are intolerant, They cannot accept people who believe something different, They spend their lives trying to force others to do as they say, sometimes in hateful and violent ways. They believe this country is a Christian nation, and they're entitled to it, it belongs to them.

Personally, I've had more than a few people try to 'convert' me to their brand of Christianity. One in particular, was so concerned with the well-being of my soul because I wasn't 'saved' that she prayed for me every night. She prayed I would give myself over to god. She said if I didn't I would burn in hell.

Crazy to me.

gordianot

(15,226 posts)
21. I have a 100% sure fire guaranteed to work solution for Proselytizing.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 07:34 PM
Mar 2015

Go ahead and meet them speak these words turn around then shut the door. "I am afraid I cannot join you church if I did I might go to your heaven then I would have to spend eternity with people like you" If that does not work say; "See you in hell". Works every time I am Jehovah Witness free.

calimary

(80,699 posts)
33. Got a passive-aggressive one: give 'em a fake phone number.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 08:28 PM
Mar 2015

I got stuck next to one on a plane once. SHEEEEEEEEEE-IT!!!! I hope THAT never happens to you!!!!!

This was a LONG time ago. He got into a conversation with me. No matter what I said - including - HEY, I'm ALREADY saved! We believe in the SAME Guy! I was baptized Catholic at the ripe old age of two-WEEKS!" That wasn't enough. It was HIS particular "Christian" cult that he insisted I embrace. He would not stop. Finally, I decided that he wouldn't be able to tell if I was lying, so I lied to him. I "gave in." I realized nothing else was gonna shut him up. That actually did work. We held hands and said a prayer - his. I went along with it. I tried to stay pleasant. I thought it would be better to let him think he'd scored another win - and it did seem to work out that way. And he left me alone after that. Except at the end of the flight, he asked for my phone number so we could "continue the conversation." I lied again. "Yeah, sure. This was great." And I gave him a number I made up. I made up a last name, too. Smiled and thanked him, and got the hell off the plane, disappeared into a crowd, and outta that terminal as soon as I could.

Sometimes you have to be a stealth fighter.

BarbaRosa

(2,684 posts)
83. I've memorized the local gop headquarters phone number
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:23 AM
Mar 2015

and use it when I don't want to give up mine. Oh yeah 575-534-9811

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
48. I tell them, "I'm not a superstitious person. Good-bye."
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:54 AM
Mar 2015

Or if I'm in a bad mood ask, "Are you a Moron or a Jehovah's Waitress"?

chemenger

(1,593 posts)
81. I suggest a variation of "... I have my own religion."
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:11 AM
Mar 2015

Try "I am my own religion." and watch their reaction.

And you're

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
107. The line I usually here is...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 04:33 PM
Mar 2015

"Can I tell you about Jesus?" I say "No". It has always worked for me, but there may be something in my tone that lets them know that it is best to walk away.

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
51. Oh, just hire a night nurse to sleep on your sofa while you clear off for a weekend
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 01:52 AM
Mar 2015

Night nurses are RABID when some Jebus salesman wakes us up.

I've lived in this house for 18 years and haven't seen a Jehovah's Witless for 17.5 of them. The Mormons cross the street when they get this far down the block.

If I'm out and about and they try to send me to hell, I just grab their right hand and start pumping it up and down furiously while saying "I knew god was dead, but I hadn't heard you got his job!! Congratulations!!" I can always make a clean getaway while they reboot.

gordianot

(15,226 posts)
57. That is right for some you have to take a firm hand to get them to stop.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:56 AM
Mar 2015

Family is another matter my fundie Brother in law made an actual physical threat against his sister (my wife). In the mix he threw in politics rabid Republican, his Christian religion, with pronouncement you are going to help. After talking with my wife she stated she never wanted to see him again and allowed me the pleasure of telling him that. Being somewhat fearful she would relent I made sure he got the message outside. Guess it worked have not heard from him in ten years and if he ever returns as long as draw air I will fulfil my promise.

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
58. Good for you, I hope he was assisted by the front third of your right shoe
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:21 AM
Mar 2015

applied smartly to his arse.

My mother kicked out one of my dad's sanctimonious brothers after years of abuse. Even his wife backed her up on that one, especially since he blew a drunken screaming fit on their front lawn that sounded epic in the retelling. Only comment I heard from any of their neighbors was "who was that blowhard?"

Sometimes they have to go to protect our own mental health, even if they haven't threatened us physically. It's just awful that so much of this stuff is being instigated by crooked preachers and reinforced by right wing media. It makes it more common than it used to be.

gordianot

(15,226 posts)
72. My Father would not have approved.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:04 AM
Mar 2015

If you are threatened think you can end it do it right away. I just saw no where to stop. My Father was always adamant to never make a threat. I just did not want to talk with Police or have to clean up a mess. I did give him 5 minutes to leave. For a moment I was transported back to the school yard at a level of anger I have never experienced. That was 10 years ago no direct contact but have seen them drive by. My offer still stands.

ProfessorGAC

(64,425 posts)
75. Here's One That Worked For Me
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:16 AM
Mar 2015

"God told me you were going to come by today. He wanted me to tell you you've got it all wrong." What can they say?

Jahovahs, LDS and some other hardcore S. Baptist folks. Did it three times. Never saw anybody come to our door again.

gordianot

(15,226 posts)
77. I have always suspected that many who show up at the door know it is a scam.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:56 AM
Mar 2015

Particularly odious are the Church groups who show up at Wal-Mart another good reason to stay away.

I never complain about kids who cut through the yard. I go full old man crank on Bible thumpers.

Teacheral

(33 posts)
86. Thumper at the door
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:47 AM
Mar 2015

I tell them that I'm a Druid and I need to climb a Rowan tree and play with mu runes.

DesertDiamond

(1,616 posts)
63. One of the first things I loved about Nichiren Buddhism is the teaching that EVERYONE will be happy
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:31 AM
Mar 2015

whether they practice "our" religion or not. It's is everyone's right, and when we have created world peace, everyone will be able to enjoy it. I had a very sweet LDS friend tell me once that "when the world ends, we will still have Earth, but it will be a glorified version, and only LDS members will be there." Sorry, sweetie. The world's not going to end, and when it's become the peaceful, beautiful place it can and will be, we will all be there enjoying it. Including LDS members! LOL

hunter

(38,264 posts)
12. I'm a highly intolerant left wing Catholic heretic, pacifist, and radical environmentalist...
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 06:27 PM
Mar 2015

... who believes marriage is a human right, gay or straight,

But fuck mere tolerance.

The ideal to strive for is acceptance and celebration of all gentle, peaceful, and non-exploitive human relationships.

wryter2000

(46,016 posts)
80. Same here, but Episcopalian
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:45 AM
Mar 2015

We're not tolerant. We're welcoming and affirming. Who wants to be tolerated?

jamesatemple

(342 posts)
61. I am very pleased to learn that I am not the only secular humanist in Texas.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 05:05 AM
Mar 2015

There must be a least a dozen or so in the State. I've learned to avoid conversations concerning religion what with my being so intolerant. I just state my position openly and firmly, love my "tolerant" friends, family, and neighbors, discuss the few things upon which we agree, and "vent my spleen" only among like-minded cyber-friends. But there are times that I sure get lonely, wishing to speak face-to-face with some other intolerant folks like myself.

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
64. Glad to hear I am not alone in Tx
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:31 AM
Mar 2015

It is so difficult to have any sort of meaningful conversations with people here, even with liberals. I'm amazed at how nearly every subject can be turned into a religious subject. I've pretty much stopped talking at work.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
14. Rec and a bump.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 06:44 PM
Mar 2015

Good post. You'll find people crying about the 'intolerance' of atheists over in the A&A and Religion groups, if you're interested.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
15. Don't forget too that their "god" is on our money, government seal, courts, National Anthem....
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 06:50 PM
Mar 2015

Those poor oppressed bastards.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
28. To what? I'm not a Christian.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 08:08 PM
Mar 2015

I can't "solve" the fact that religious people lie to make themselves feel persecuted. I can't "solve" the fact that Christians get everything they need and that still isn't enough. I can't "solve" greed and hatred.

All I can do is make sure that my time spent here is time spent living, loving, and creating, and impart those ideals to my kids.

You know I actually do have a solution. First ride off this shitty forsaken rock...

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
31. It means, that there is no solution. I can't change people,
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 08:26 PM
Mar 2015

and in my spare time I will sit on my roof with my Pink Floyd albums under my arm and my thumb out waiting for the first ride off this shitty forsaken rock. Was it that hard to figure out?

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
34. Who is "we"?
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 08:33 PM
Mar 2015

Are you one of them? Do you discriminate against gays because of the bible?

Or are you trying to tell me you are a Christian who isn't all bad? If so then the onus is on YOU to solve this problem, not me.

I don't think all Christians are bad people, I think Christianity is a bad religion. As are most of them.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
39. ?? No you don't. And you do the same...
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 09:08 PM
Mar 2015

sorry if I sounded like an ass, but you were the one who came in here questioning me...

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
41. Hey, if anyone should be angry about all this it's you...
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 09:21 PM
Mar 2015

Wish I could tell you I knew how to make it better...

I'm out for the evening, stay out of trouble...

and again, apologies, we are all a bit on edge...

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
23. I am intolerant.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 08:04 PM
Mar 2015

The good and the bad, they can do whatever they want with their religion.

The second it impacts me we have a BIG FUCKING PROBLEM.

Leave me alone, do as you wish, I will do the same. Try to influence or impact my family and I'll serve up a great big plate of go fuck yourself.

meow2u3

(24,745 posts)
25. Intolerance of religion/Christianity? No.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 08:06 PM
Mar 2015

Intolerance of imposed religion? Yes.
Intolerance of fundamentalist fanatics? Absolutely!

digonswine

(1,485 posts)
27. I heard just today--
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 08:08 PM
Mar 2015

on the christian radio--

That MOST of the year, the christians are mocked. Most of the year, they are persecuted.
But--only at Easter and Christmas are they the moral ones.

This was on In The Market with Janet Partial(SP?)-It's probably the best show they have, BTW.

This tone-deaf accounting of reality from one in the vast majority is unsettling. The arrogance is inexcusable. The ignorance is obvious.

Here is exactly how it is framed-

Religious liberty vs. the gay agenda. That's it.

Some truly think that their right to discriminate trumps the rights of those not to be discriminated against.

It's not framed that way---it is --religious liberty vs. the gay agenda--what a bunch of pure, unadulterated assholes. Pure, tone-deaf, assholes-one and all.

"Your rights interfere with my rights to deny you rights." Hey-fuck off and die.

calimary

(80,699 posts)
42. It's ALL ABOUT "MY religion trumps YOUR rights."
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 09:21 PM
Mar 2015

That seems to be IT. The crux of it.

I personally would love to see the right to choose being factored in here, and added to the list of reasons why this is such a horribly bad and intolerable law.

The same legalized discrimination that would allow a granny in a flower shop to deny a gay couple her services to create flower arrangements for their wedding could, and I strongly believe WOULD, be used to deny a woman going to a fundie pharmacist the right to have her contraception prescription filled, if the pharmacist whined that it was against his religion.

And knowing the opposition we face on this - I wouldn't put it past ANY of 'em to try to figure out a way to weasel out of having to serve ANYBODY they thought was against their religion. Remember - these folks paint with an extraordinarily broad brush. Because it's their religion and they seem to be given over to paranoia about always being persecuted, I would EXPECT them to use ANYTHING they thought might work for their cause to get their way, and further ghettoize and victimize people they didn't agree with. Muslims? Hey, it's against MY religion to serve those who serve "that false god..." What about a Jewish person doing that to a Christian - OR a Christian doing that to a Jewish person? So far, that's exactly what they're entitled to do.

WE as women and as progressives/liberals/left-of-centers NEED to start lumping the perils facing the right to choose in with this, because it WILL be affected. And we need to start chipping away at that ongoing attack on Roe v Wade. Otherwise we're gonna lose it. Roe v Wade is ON THE ROPES - NOW.

digonswine

(1,485 posts)
108. agreed
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:09 PM
Mar 2015

They(not ALL, but very many) would be happy to take the mile when given the inch. The key is to not give them the first inch-and they have it, for now.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
45. They have added two more Christian radio Stations and a lot more TV ones in the
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:09 AM
Mar 2015

last four months here. Ugh. Am so sick of this shit.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
47. It never ceases to amaze me
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:44 AM
Mar 2015

the amount of lies they will tell, and the level of hate and discrimination they will perpetuate, to prove they are the "good guys".

yuiyoshida

(41,763 posts)
52. I am not a Christian
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:01 AM
Mar 2015

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I am Buddhist. I feel so blessed that I live in an area where I don't have to be exposed to that kind of outward hatred. But I do get it on line, on the internet. I have been sent messages like "Take your Cooley raghead ideas and go back to China." Talk about ignorance. Nasty messages from stupid people who know nothing about what Buddhism is,.. just they think is some kind of Satanic cult, because don't you know, when it comes to religion, its either black or white.. and being Asian in this country makes it a bit worse. People asking me if I have eaten my pets yet...and other mean spirited ideas. I try to stay away from places like Discussionist or websites that cater to and allow bigotry to flourish.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
56. Your kind of buddhism mixes in satanism?
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:48 AM
Mar 2015

I want to join that, that sounds like fun

All kidding aside, I'm sorry you have to go through that crap. No one deserves that. I am glad you are here, though, your posts are always from an interesting perspective and I enjoy reading them

yuiyoshida

(41,763 posts)
59. To some Christians
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 04:14 AM
Mar 2015

all other religions are satanic. The Westboro baptist church could not exist in our town. That kind of hatred could not exist in a place where people have a world view and an education. San Francisco is place where many kinds of people live, and enjoy the fruits of many cultures. Visitors see that every day, which is why they come. Some even chose to stay, as we have many transplants, all adding to the melting pot, envisioned for our country some time ago. Where a Buddhist temple rite can be preformed next to a Wiccan one, or a Hindu one, or even a Baptist one.

I was here in 1989, when the Earthquake hit the Bay Area. People helped each other, get though a day that found many people homeless because their house had gone up in flames because of broken gas mains in the Marina district. People came together, and there was no mention of not helping a neighbor because they were Gay, or Black, or even Asian. We were a community.. and we came together.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
62. Geee Shizz,,,
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 05:49 AM
Mar 2015

,,, and the church elders sit around scratching their asses wonder why church membership keeps dropping like a rock!

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
65. Religion is where bigots go ...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:39 AM
Mar 2015

to justify their bigotry

The more people that understand this, the sooner we can dump all this horseshit religion

DFW

(54,055 posts)
67. I live in a country that used to fight 30 year wars over religion
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:54 AM
Mar 2015

Except it was over territory, religion is just the excuse.

Religion is ALWAYS such a convenient excuse--not by true believers, but by con artists who would profit by claiming to be true believers.

Luckily, after some traumas that would make the Civil War in the USA look like a disagreement over cake icing color, my current country of residence has grown beyond this mess. Religious intolerance is not completely gone, but what is left is mostly imported from outside, and not appreciated by the locals.

Germans still argue. But almost no one ever argues over religion any more. They are appalled that a country that sacrificed to free them of the Nazis would go back to such primitive cruel ways, and they cannot fathom for the life of them what purpose it is supposed to serve (neither can I, for that matter).

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
78. religion is just the excuse.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:03 AM
Mar 2015

Not for the soldiers.

Not for the suicide bombers


Not for the 9/11 hijackers

Not for the majority of foot soldiers in ISIS.

DFW

(54,055 posts)
85. I was talking about the 30 years war
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:36 AM
Mar 2015

Fought on the soil on top of which now sits the house I live in

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
89. Fought on the soil on top of which now sits the house I live in
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 12:11 PM
Mar 2015

Cool!


but I repeat:

religion was not an "excuse" for the soldiers.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
69. The really twisted part is...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:39 AM
Mar 2015

... some of the vilest, most intolerant people I have ever met are ultra-religious super-Christians. They are the total antithesis of everything they purport to represent. And, yes, there are super-Jews, super-Muslims, super-Mormons, and there's probably even a super-Buddhist out there somewhere. There are extremists of every conceivable religious stripe. And they give the good people of their respective faiths a bad name, because they really don't give a shit about religion; they just have a pathological need to bully other people into doing things THEIR way, and God help those who transgress. Isn't that right, Mr. Miscavige?

And then there are the slimy con artists like Pat Robertson, who prey on the fear and ignorance of the semi-literate by pretending to have all the answers for those who are desperate for guidance through a world of terrifying complexity. There's an especially toasty ring of the Inferno awaiting people like you, Pat, ol' son.

Now mind you, I am not prejudiced. I despise all religions equally.

yellowwoodII

(616 posts)
70. I'm Not Intolerant
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:59 AM
Mar 2015

Just, please! Don't impose your beliefs on me. Don't expect me to pay the taxes that you are exempt from. Don't ask me to pay for the chaplain who visits the hospital. Don't deny me the prescription because you don't "believe" in what it does. Don't tell me about how God saved you while your neighbor was blown away by the storm. Don't tell me how your prayers helped you win the game. Don't tell me what to do with my body.
And if you are a good person, just be good for good-ness sake. I don't mind that you are superstitious. I will like you anyway.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
109. I'm in a suburb of Denver.. I work out of Nashville though and the place I stay when I'm there
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:23 PM
Mar 2015

has a dozen churches in a 6 block radius. I guess we need to be more tolerant..

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