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octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 01:07 AM Mar 2015

How 'One Nation' Didn't Become 'Under God' Until The '50s Religious Revival

The words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and the phrase "In God we trust" on the back of a dollar bill haven't been there as long as most Americans might think. Those references were inserted in the 1950s during the Eisenhower administration, the same decade that the National Prayer Breakfast was launched, according to writer Kevin Kruse. His new book is One Nation Under God.

In the original Pledge of Allegiance, Francis Bellamy made no mention of God, Kruse says. Bellamy was Christian socialist, a Baptist who believed in the separation of church and state.

"As this new religious revival is sweeping the country and taking on new political tones, the phrase 'one nation under God' seizes the national imagination," Kruse tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross. "It starts with a proposal by the Knights of Columbus, the Catholic lay organization, to add the phrase 'under God' to the Pledge of Allegiance. Their initial campaign doesn't go anywhere but once Eisenhower's own pastor endorses it ... it catches fire."

Kruse's book investigates how the idea of America as a Christian nation was promoted in the 1930s and '40s when industrialists and business lobbies, chafing against the government regulations of the New Deal, recruited and funded conservative clergy to preach faith, freedom and free enterprise. He says this conflation of Christianity and capitalism moved to center stage in the '50s under Eisenhower's watch.


http://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/396365659/how-one-nation-didnt-become-under-god-until-the-50s-religious-revival?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=artslife

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How 'One Nation' Didn't Become 'Under God' Until The '50s Religious Revival (Original Post) octoberlib Mar 2015 OP
Yup, it's an amazing story. lovemydog Mar 2015 #1
I remember when they stuck it in the Pledge. Suich Mar 2015 #2
Faith, freedom, and free enterprise Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #3
I still don't say "under god" because I never had to say it in school when we Cleita Mar 2015 #4
I was in a Catholic parochial school when the insertion SheilaT Mar 2015 #5
Interesting. I thought clergy really got in bed with politicians big time because merrily Mar 2015 #6
I wasn't aware this had started in the 1930's either. octoberlib Mar 2015 #13
Another thing for which we can thank the 1%. merrily Mar 2015 #16
It started before the civil war hootinholler Mar 2015 #18
The author of the pledge is an alum of... 3catwoman3 Mar 2015 #7
Entirely too many do not, I'm sorry to say. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2015 #30
I remember that in the Saturday matinee westerns, Downwinder Mar 2015 #8
interesting observation. dhill926 Mar 2015 #28
we still live under zombie mccarthy, reagan, and the unelected grover torquiest. where is zombie FDR pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #9
The debate continued when Roman Catholic John Kennedy (D) was elected President. MADem Mar 2015 #10
I was in grade school during the late 60's, early 70's and octoberlib Mar 2015 #14
The ORIGINAL oath was a quickie, they kept gilding the lily and made it terribly unwieldy. MADem Mar 2015 #21
I credit/blame "The Ten Commandments" SoCalDem Mar 2015 #11
sort of a gap there--it was more the sort of "Jesus spoke English since He was American" MisterP Mar 2015 #20
A freind of ours is the ex-wife of a Methodist minister. 3catwoman3 Mar 2015 #33
'The Man Who Wrote the Pledge of Allegiance'... Lars39 Mar 2015 #12
Interesting. Thanks for the link! octoberlib Mar 2015 #15
I was in elementary school when "under God" was added. MineralMan Mar 2015 #17
The Whole Pledge Thing Is Completely Backwards ProfessorGAC Mar 2015 #19
Yeah, the whole thing is so creepy and mindless. Arugula Latte Mar 2015 #23
This was the McCarthy era hifiguy Mar 2015 #22
And now people are placing their hand over their heart for the National Anthem... Thor_MN Mar 2015 #24
That's a pet peeve of my husband's, as well. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #29
I was raised in a Catholic school - raven mad Mar 2015 #25
I learned it without the "under God," Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #26
Robin Williams asked, "why not just say 'One nation, under Canada?'" Auggie Mar 2015 #27
Or... HassleCat Mar 2015 #32
Mixed Bag HassleCat Mar 2015 #31

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
4. I still don't say "under god" because I never had to say it in school when we
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 01:27 AM
Mar 2015

did the Pledge of Allegiance and I went to parochial school. That's what the Our Father and Hail Mary was for. Of course I'm so old I went to school before they changed it. Many people of my generation still remain silent about those words when saying the Pledge of Allegiance because we still believe in separation of church and state.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
5. I was in a Catholic parochial school when the insertion
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 01:52 AM
Mar 2015

of "under God" happened in the Pledge. I recall the nuns being VERY unhappy about it, as they had a very clear understanding that the Pledge of Allegiance was a secular thing, and that a religious insertion was completely wrong and inappropriate.

For a long time I'd recite the Pledge but leave out the "under God" part. About ten years ago I stopped reciting. At first I'd stand with the crowd, now I no longer do. I will admit to feeling a bit uncomfortable, but was helped a while back as a friend who was also attending events where the Pledge was being recited was wheelchair bound and of course could not stand. I don't think he completely understood why I remained seated, and we never discussed it, but he seemed to be grateful that an able-bodied person like myself remained seated next to him.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
6. Interesting. I thought clergy really got in bed with politicians big time because
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 01:54 AM
Mar 2015

the SCOTUS struck down state laws forbidding contraception and abortion. I knew about Eisenhower and the pledge (Cold War measure, supposedly), but I had no idea that all this had started in the 1930s as one of the responses to the New Deal.

Then again, clergy were probably always in bed with politicians or we would not have had laws forbidding divorce, adultery contraception, etc. in the first place, let alone into the 1960s and the 1970s. I doubt many politicians were strangers to, or personally averse to, those things.

And now we're going backwards.

Jefferson was right about this: a wall of strict separation of church and state is essential.

It's unfortunate, imo, that Democrats decided to go in a different direction: another "great" recommendation of the DLC: Democratic politicians should stop hiding their faith (translate that however you wish).

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
13. I wasn't aware this had started in the 1930's either.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:43 AM
Mar 2015

It makes perfect sense , though that prosperity gospel has been pushed and funded by corporations and Chamber of Commerce types. Brainwashing.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
18. It started before the civil war
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:55 AM
Mar 2015

1840ish IIRC.

I should have a file at the house that lists particulars.

3catwoman3

(23,972 posts)
7. The author of the pledge is an alum of...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:33 AM
Mar 2015

...the University of Rochester, as am I. IIRC, he identified himself as a socialist Baptist minister. Wouldn't that frost the RWNJs? OMG, a socialist!!!!

His descendants were sure he would no have been happy about the change to his words.

Any guesses as to what percentage of Americans know that the God stuff was not on either the Pledge or on our money right from the beginning? Not too many, I'm guessing.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
30. Entirely too many do not, I'm sorry to say.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:47 PM
Mar 2015

They love to point at the phrase on our currency and say "See? We are a religious people. It says so right on our money", not understanding that for the vast majority of the history of our republic, "E Pluribus Unum" was our national motto.

Yup..we get to thank the Knights of Columbus for this silly nonsense.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
8. I remember that in the Saturday matinee westerns,
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:53 AM
Mar 2015

the bankers always took a beating. They were the bad guys or the bad guys worked for them. That seemed to change with television when the advertisers took over.

pansypoo53219

(20,969 posts)
9. we still live under zombie mccarthy, reagan, and the unelected grover torquiest. where is zombie FDR
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:47 AM
Mar 2015

cause commies hate religion.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
10. The debate continued when Roman Catholic John Kennedy (D) was elected President.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 04:12 AM
Mar 2015

People who were alive during that period will remember that it was, as Joe Biden might say, a "big f-ing deal" that he made it to the White House at all. It wasn't all Bing Crosby and "Going My Way" -- many people were insisting that JFK would "take orders from ROME!!!" if he were elected. Roman Catholics, of course, were thrilled. Others, not so much. JFK gave a speech in Houston, TX to a group of protestant ministers assuaging the frayed nerves of people who were freaking out about his choice of church. He broke the "religion barrier" for Roman Catholics, no one said much, if anything, to Eugene McCarthy, Robert Kennedy, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Joe Biden, Bill Richardson, Wes Clark, Dennis Kucinich, etc about their religion after that, except maybe to push buttons about the choice issue. On the GOP/Wingnut side, you've got Sam Brownback, Pat Buchanan, Rudy "Bad Catholic" Giuliani, George Pataki, etc. They waved the choice thing like a bloody battle shirt and used the religious argument to back themselves up--in any event, it didn't hurt them amongst their loyal followers.

Mitt RMoney tried to do a similar thing--also in TX-- with his Mormonism--it didn't go over as well. That could very well be because Mitt Romney is an unctuous little shit who is disliked; perhaps if Jon Huntsman gave the same speech it might have gone over better.

The whole culture/religious war brouhaha had been building for some time as we entered the seventies, too. Nixon's "Silent Majority" of quiet, "average" and taciturn churchgoing "regular guys" gradually morphed into Reagan's "Moral Majority" but before Reagan took the WH, Jimmy Carter (D) kicked up plenty of ethical dust on that whole Southern Baptist religious score, too. He didn't hesitate to talk about how his religious beliefs informed his decsion-making. That era was when the evangelicals figured out that they could bully the GOP.

Looks like that orbit is finally starting to degrade, at long last. It will never disappear, entirely, but I think people are losing enthusiasm for throwing large sums of money at ministers to hand to politicians who don't seem to be doing much, if anything, to actually improve their lives (or, for that matter, stop behaviors they find objectionable).

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
14. I was in grade school during the late 60's, early 70's and
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:47 AM
Mar 2015

we used 'under god' then but I had no idea it was a fairly recent development.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
21. The ORIGINAL oath was a quickie, they kept gilding the lily and made it terribly unwieldy.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 05:37 PM
Mar 2015
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."


In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."


In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
11. I credit/blame "The Ten Commandments"
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 05:10 AM
Mar 2015

for the revival of hyper-religiosity..

The movie advance teams scattered across the US before the movie was released..as they went to all the small towns, they "gifted" each locale with replica tablets.. then when the movie was such a success, millions of "Easter/Christmas" christians became true-believers..

Most of the old tent-revival stuff had pretty much died down after WWII, and this movie revived that "oldtimey religious fervor...and all the clannish/cultish bigotry that came along with it..

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
20. sort of a gap there--it was more the sort of "Jesus spoke English since He was American"
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 02:47 PM
Mar 2015

religiosity: a decade later Time still asked "Is God dead?"

the current fundie wave is from the late-70s backlash, when the SoBapts had a literal coup; even, like, pharmacists and physicists saw reactionary swings: it was very well-orchestrated and -funded (Powell Memo, anybody?)

my introduction to US religious history is "Where Darwin Meets the Bible," which is a wonderful book that explains so much about where we are today--and where we could've been if Carter had had a Truman moment and swung back left

3catwoman3

(23,972 posts)
33. A freind of ours is the ex-wife of a Methodist minister.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:30 PM
Mar 2015

She told us once of a member of the congregation who did not approve of foreign languages being taught in American schools. His rationale was, "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me."



That level of ignorance is really scary.

BTW, the ex-husband is also an ex-minister. Got caught fooling around with a parishioner.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
17. I was in elementary school when "under God" was added.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:49 AM
Mar 2015

I learned the pledge before that time, and never changed the way I said it. I still say it without that phrase. As an atheist (which I wasn't then) I simply omit it and say the pledge as I learned it in the first grade.

I actually remember the day it was introduced in my classroom. I was puzzled.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
19. The Whole Pledge Thing Is Completely Backwards
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:08 AM
Mar 2015

This is a government of the people. The government is supposed to pledge allegiance to the people. The people don't have to pledge allegiance to the country, government or flag.

It's a shame that the "pledge" ever caught on, whether "under god" was in it or not.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
23. Yeah, the whole thing is so creepy and mindless.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:11 PM
Mar 2015

Hey, kids, don't think about what the Constitution means, just parrot these words you don't understand and worship this piece of tri-colored material.

The "under god" part pisses me off to no end. It's such a violation of church/state separation. We told our kids not to say it.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
22. This was the McCarthy era
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 05:59 PM
Mar 2015

and everyone had to make sure that 'murka would be sure to stand up against the Godless Commies.

For a deep history of the religulous nuts, racist and imperialist know-nothings, paranoid millionaires, frothing Red baiters and their entry into US politics in the 1940s-1960s check out Rick Perlstein's Before The Storm. A great and essential read.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
24. And now people are placing their hand over their heart for the National Anthem...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:58 PM
Mar 2015

Trying to outdo each other in Patriotism...

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
29. That's a pet peeve of my husband's, as well.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:37 PM
Mar 2015

"You DON'T put your hand over your heart for the National Anthem!!" He gets all annoyed every time he sees someone do it. Interestingly, I've researched this a bit, and it seems that most references that come up in Google say, yes, put your hand on your heart for the national anthem, but I can't remember that we did when I was young (admittledly a long time ago). Maybe it's some "new" thing.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
25. I was raised in a Catholic school -
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:21 PM
Mar 2015

we didn't use "under God" until I was in about 6th grade, 1962.

It's ridiculous, but everyone seems to want to believe in a cloud in the sky that will save them from misery. They're wrong.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
26. I learned it without the "under God,"
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:22 PM
Mar 2015

and that's still how I say it.

(They could probably eliminate "indivisible," too. It's kind of a joke in this day and age.) And "liberty and justice for all"? Not so much. Maybe the pledge is irrelevant.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
32. Or...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:50 PM
Mar 2015

You know they would never go for that. It would have to be "over Mexico." That would get them excited.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
31. Mixed Bag
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:48 PM
Mar 2015

I think the phrase was officially added in 1955. I went to grade school in the late 1950s and early 1960s, and some of our teachers didn't add the new language right away. This was in Wisconsin, home of Joe McCarthy, the fiery anti-communist, but also home to Fighting Bob LaFollette, the architect of the Progressive movement. Not everybody was of a single mind about mixing religion with anti-communist fervor. There was also some confusion about whether the new language was strictly patriotic, or perhaps a sneaky move by the Pope. It would be nice if we could go back to the original wording.

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