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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJoe of Morming Joe asked "why Indiana ...
when 20 other states have similar laws?"
I ask: "Why Selma? When the entire south had jim crow, and the rest of America had de facto jim crow?"
And who is the republican woman that, in her babbling apologia of the "why Indiana?" question, said, "this law isn't about anti-discrimination, it's about religious freedom!"
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)They were all deliberately obtuse, even when one guy pointed out the differences.
RKP5637
(67,084 posts)just want to discriminate and try to cover it with endless BS. And IMO it's the latter, they want discrimination. Anyone with any ability to think can see what's going on with them.
CTyankee
(63,883 posts)Joe needed reinforcements and got her on the set in a hurry. But hers and Joes argument were more than fully pushed back on by Dan Malloy. And by the facts...
olegramps
(8,200 posts)It has amassed me that he was given a forum to spew his bullshit. He is lying hypocrite.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)all disingenuous beyond belief.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I'm always interested in hearing the latest republican talking points ... it helps me recognize them when I see them in other forums and other spaces.
CTyankee
(63,883 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)"It's the same law Bill Clinton signed!" Even if that is obviously false and it is not "the same as 19 other states and the federal government" it's still an easy thing to say, easy to repeat if you are a Fox News watcher that is used to simplified, sound-bite debate and you don't particularly care if what you are told is true. I expect them to keep saying it louder and louder.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)Why does anyone - anyone at all - watch Morning Joe?
That is a serious question.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Today it's Connecticut Governor Dan Malloy.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I'm always interested in hearing the latest republican talking points ... it helps me recognize them when I see them in other forums and other spaces.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)No way could I watch that type of programming without either 1. throwing up what I just ate, or 2. breaking something.
CTyankee
(63,883 posts)Joe Scar every name in the book. Very cathartic...that and coffee get me going every week day. My gov Dan Malloy gave him a lecture, too. Poor Joe was unable to respond to Dan and just started mumbling about when spring would come to CT...it kills me that Joe resides in CT now...I keep yelling at him "Get out of my state...go cozy up to Chris Christie's ample butt in NJ!!!"
yodermon
(6,143 posts)To prevent brain implosion though.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)The new statute's defenders claim it simply mirrors existing federal rules, but it contains two provisions that put new obstacles in the path of equality.
"Theres a factual dispute about the new Indiana law. It is called a Religious Freedom Restoration Act, like the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, passed in 1993.* Thus a number of its defenders have claimed it is really the same law. Here, for example, is the Weekly Standards John McCormack: Is there any difference between Indiana's law and the federal law? Nothing significant. I am not sure what McCormack was thinking; but even my old employer, The Washington Post, seems to believe that if a law has a similar title as another law, they must be identical. Indiana is actually soon to be just one of 20 states with a version of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, or RFRA, the Posts Hunter Schwarz wrote, linking to this map created by the National Conference of State Legislatures.
The problem with this statement is that, well, its false. That becomes clear when you read and compare those tedious state statutes. If you do that, you will find that the Indiana statute has two features the federal RFRAand most state RFRAsdo not. First, the Indiana law explicitly allows any for-profit business to assert a right to the free exercise of religion. The federal RFRA doesnt contain such language, and neither does any of the state RFRAs except South Carolinas; in fact, Louisiana and Pennsylvania, explicitly exclude for-profit businesses from the protection of their RFRAs."
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/what-makes-indianas-religious-freedom-law-different/388997/
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Remarkably enough, soon after, language found its way into the Indiana statute to make sure that no Indiana court could ever make a similar decision. Democrats also offered the Republican legislative majority a chance to amend the new act to say that it did not permit businesses to discriminate; they voted that amendment down.
Thanks for posting this clearly explained analysis and take-down of homophobic bigotry.
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)And their excellent writers who take the time and effort to write so eloquently about current events.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)And they know perfectly well that it's different.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,817 posts)All Joe could do to defend himself was get hung up on Malloy's (sp?) calling the lies 'conservative.'
Up to then I agree, all those at the table seemed to be being working hard as they could to stick with the lie. The reporter at the remote location did some clarification that went largely unrecognized.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Why would people dare to discriminate against a state whose government just greenlit discrimination? What a stupid talking point.
You are a lazy, entitled ass, Joe, who didn't do enough homework to know how particularly evil Indiana's statute is.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)cover for conservatives. Seems that most mornings they meet their goal.
Myrina
(12,296 posts).... because Indiana's law eerily mirrors the Hobby Lobby law, much more than it mirrors "the other 20 states".
Is it 20 today? Yesterday's number was 30. Or in some places 35. And I've heard 10 as well. These clowns don't even know what they're referring to, do they?
appalachiablue
(41,102 posts)Pence asked to attend the signing- ie faith healers wanting to treat & cure gays and religious leaders resorting to old biblical text. Hey, we shouldn't be eating Shellfish or mixing two textiles in clothing if we followed the OT writings literally.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)the lines of "Why do you support discrimination?" or, more bluntly, "Why are you opposed to love and its expression?" or, even more blunt, "Why are you such a fucking bigot?"
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)viewers. For comparison, CBS This Morning, the lowest rated of the three network morning shows, was drawing about 3.25 million viewers. The worst of the networks has 10x the viewers Joe has.
So that's a comfort.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I find little comfort in that.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)social issues or discrimination should be taken seriously?
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Because I asked the same exact question too.
Then I googled.
Then I learned.
Then I was SHOCKED.
world wide wally
(21,734 posts)This country sucks when we allow ourselves to be barraged all day with bullshit fucking propaganda.
Can some asshole righty tell me exactly what the difference between this and 1930's Germany is?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)world wide wally
(21,734 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)SpankMe
(2,955 posts)They spoke German in 1930's Germany!
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)But...the arc of Justice is long....but when it comes....
Not Me
(3,398 posts)The arc of justice has turned and people are no longer willing to accept this. We got a taste of what was coming with Arizona and Jan Brewer had the sense to veto the bill there based on the outcry. Pence is clueless and has doubled-down. This response galvanizes the people and companies opposed to the law, and clearly lays out the case with other states and localities, not to go there.
tomsaiditagain
(105 posts)Morning Joe makes me feel ill so I click. Any right wing crap on the tube I click away from it. YUK!!
I know, bla bla bla..........but but but........bla bla bla
aint happenin in my world
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I, also, know that the intent of each of these laws (as practices) is to discriminate against the "others" ... and are all wrong.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)exactly how is this law being used in other states to discriminate?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)(which affected no one but those that practiced the tradition writs) ... the intent of the subsequent State laws was to discriminate.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I asked you for evidence. It's noted you haven't done so.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The Federal law was drafted to protect /allow the free exercise of the Native American religious practices, which included the use of peyote.
The subsequent State laws, we're drafted using the same legal reasoning, though with clear discriminatory intent.
The primary difference in the law is in their application ... the former was applied to preserve a tradition that affected no one but practicianers (i.e., expanding freedom); whereas, the latter, have been applied to restrict freedoms.
I do not understand what "evidence" you seek?
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)prove it.
.I'm looking for your examples of this law is being used specifically to discriminate as you've asserted.
You say it has. Prove it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)enacted them for discriminatory purposes ... whether they were to deny public accommodations to women (e.g., reproductive rights) or to the LGBT community (for just about everything, including the right to marry or eat cake)?
I can tell you that my home state, Arizona, has such a law ... and there is no question as to its intent.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)What they don't get is that they don't control the message anymore.
People have already gotten it from the Internet.
That's why they wanted to control the Internet.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Because they don't care at all, about anyone.
MoJoe gets no free pass. He is exactly like every other asshole Republican.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)It's starting to feel like they don't care about any humans whatsoever.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Put the two laws side by side...compare...not the same!! Similar? As similar as hate and love. Poison ivy and Ivy Leavue, salt and sugar...different things have different words...that is how words work.
This TV Joe is an embarrassment to logic and common sense...pandering to the stupid has it's limits, even for the Fox lovers of lies.
world wide wally
(21,734 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)I guess Indiana has an image as a more tolerant place. It's northern, industrialized, etc. People don't think of Indiana as one of those Bible belt states where people go to tent revivals and build mega-churches. But you could ask the same question of many other states where regressive legislation gets signed into law. Why Wisconsin? Why Iowa? It's not just anti-gay legislation. Right wingers are coming at us on all fronts - labor laws, consumer protection, civil rights, welfare, drugs, and anything else they can think of. It's almost like some kind of sport or hobby with them. They seem to think it's fun to throw this crap in our faces. It's like some ten year old bully who forces the other kids to eat dirt on the playground. They feel more free when others are not, strange as it seems. They equate freedom with intolerance: "I don't like your kind, and you can't make me like you, and here's a law that says I get to treat you badly!" We have about 30 state legislatures made up of old people screaming, "You kids get off my lawn!" Our whole damn country is going senile.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)I say that as a white person.
White people need to wake the fuck up and stand with their fellow working class, middle class, and poor fellow U.S. citizens (regardless of their color or sexual orientation).
To be more clear: People of ANY race are crazy to elect today's Republicans in to any power position, but in our country it is white people that are voting in enough numbers to put them in power.
Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)Explain that fully first, and then you may have a microscopic bit of credibility.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)teams, breaking down "both sides" of the issue, they quickly as they can turn it into a sporting event. Who the serious fuck cares why Indiana. What's right is right, man. What's right is right.
cali
(114,904 posts)fucking day against women.
CTyankee
(63,883 posts)marriage is different from abortion (interesting that it comes down to that one issue) in that it involves adults and cannot be interpreted as "killing" human beings (fetuses).
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)it's just income inequality was more important.
Gothmog
(144,890 posts)Here is a decent article on the differences http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/03/30/3640374/big-lie-media-tells-indianas-new-religious-freedom-law/
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)He used to piss me off so my blood pressure stayed high, but not anymore. I don't watch anymore. I could be wrong but I believe that's why MSNBC is changing their format, and changing to more of a Republic0n thing. I think they want to compete with FOX. Just a thought.
But still your point about Joe's show is well taken.(I just can't take their b.s.)
mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)But I am having a watching Gov. Mike Pence sweat. I hate its at the expense of my LGBT brother and sisters. But like the McDonalds song says " I'm Loving It". Repugs are freaking out.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)20 bigoted states. You know there has to be some sweaty palms and queasy political stomachs in those states.