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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBig Ed just threw Heritage Foundation flack, Ryan Anderson off his show for
being uncivil. This was regarding the Indiana law discriminating about gays.
Arguing Corporations and Churches are persons and that corporations can practice religion. Ed disagreed and Ryan said he was being demagogued and He tried to filibuster Ed and Ed cut his Mike off.
If only other hosts do the same to these clowns. It's the only way to deal with them. I hope there is a video soon.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)Check your local listings.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Might get lucky.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Thank you.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)There may be video
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)Last night, I was screaming at the tv when that assclown was on. I kept yelling at Ed to shut the mofo off. Kept interfering in other guests' remarks and was an assclown.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)If this is the case that corporations and churches are people, then the 10 Commandments ought to apply to them as well. OK, Christians, what say you? and since real people can go to jail, so should the people-corporations and people-churches that commit crimes.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)start giving churches that don't behave the death penalty?
marym625
(17,997 posts)Well, yeah, the Catholic Church has been for eons
Cleita
(75,480 posts)persons.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)mistaking lead paint chips for potato chips.
Jebus.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)safeinOhio
(32,669 posts)abortion? Does life no longer begin at conception, or does it start when papers of incorporation are signed..
What a freaking can of worms.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)literally get away with murder precisely because they are not people, I guess they didn't quite think this through.
marym625
(17,997 posts)That's the only thing they care about
erronis
(15,223 posts)With "houses of worship" that cost into the 10's of millions without being a corporation. The Catholics are only one of the most visible with all their trappings that they're having a hard time maintaining with only the tithings of the elderly ladies.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who personally knows someone who "took up the cloth" in order to make some bucks without Uncle Sam trying to get what is due Caesar.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Should be taxed. Absolutely no 2 ways about it
I don't personally know anyone that became a nun or priest for any reason but their love of God. But, I am sure it happens often, that people join for the purpose of avoiding the tax man.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)TAX the businesses OWNED by the CHURCHES."
Frank Zappa
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)The church of the almighty dollar. But, unfortunately, others have a bigger congregation.
dissentient
(861 posts)"Cut that flunkies mike off right now", and then after wards said "Fuck you!" to the guy when he can't respond.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Not the usual Heritage Foundation tool. HF must have just taken the training wheels off of the little goofball's bike.
chieftain
(3,222 posts)I watched Melber get run over last night. If Dan Savage hadn't been there the RWer would have filibustered the issue with one unchallenged lie after the other. Karnacki has not only dumbed down Up he gives his lying RW/corporate guests an awful lot of latitude to pollute the information stream with falsehoods.
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)Although, there are times when I would love to smack Ari up alongside the head myself. He can be just as kissass to the RW'ers as Andrea Mitchell does.
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)maybe someone got a clip there.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,515 posts)ed.msnbc.com
I definitely will see this later tonight, as I dvd'd it. Thanks for the heads-up.
Way to go, Ed. Good for you.
Wish more people in broadcasting would stand behind their convictions.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The Heritage Foundation doesn't deserve to be heard.
Marr
(20,317 posts)I mean, if corporations are really the same as people.
They only seem to be people when it's convenient.
Ilsa
(61,692 posts)Force liquidation of the corp for killing people or ruining lives on a massive scale.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Stop being surprised when assholes say things that are asshole-ish.
Jack Rabbit
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Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Corporations are not people, my friends. They are a public nuisance.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)and thanks for the video.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)If only more of these rubes had their mic yanked!
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Leith
(7,808 posts)One of my pet peeves is when people interrupt, talk over others, shout others down, etc., and that's exactly what that guy was doing here. Reichwingers don't seem to have any sense of manners or letting other people talk once in a while.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)for republicans for years, and now.
What a jerk.
Corporations are not people you paid corporate shill.
dissentient
(861 posts)"I know, I will keep talking at the top of my voice, that way, I will be able to bully them into silence! It's the right wing way."
CatWoman
(79,295 posts)mimi85
(1,805 posts)Roy Rolling
(6,911 posts)calimary
(81,198 posts)These frank-luntz minions and young wannabes, who want to go on TV and start making names for themselves, and think all they have to do is just bully the other side and take over and talk over everyone and not stop, butt in whenever, interrupt all over the place, talk over the host, talk over the other guest(s), talk over the sign-off, you name it.
FINALLY got put in his place. I hope more MSNBC hosts do that - and then do it again. Better still, I hope HE is never invited back on. You don't own this show, pal. You're lucky to get face time like that. And of course you don't appreciate it. You have the same sense of entitlement your older colleagues do on that side of the aisle.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)But did you have say "little?" I'm 5'3" and have been known to take things like that personally.
Since you mention Frank Luntz, I'm also wondering who's coaching this crowd. Anderson read from the same script as Governor Pence before George Snuffleupagus yesterday. First, he denied it opened the door to discrimination (that worth five "huh"s right there), then said it was just like the 1993 federal RFRA (it's not) and went on to avoid answering a direct question in 25 words or more several times. I doubt it was Luntz. If it was, he's slipping badly in the practice of his art.
calimary
(81,198 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:43 AM - Edit history (2)
I actually meant little as in "little boy." He seemed like a still-wet-behind-the-ears adult-size child to me, but then I'm almost 62 and just about everybody seems like a little kid to me from this vantage point!
I first started wondering about this when I heard christie todd whitman on some news show during the horrible period in which the agonizing bush v Gore battle was going on. There were these "Chatty Cathy" talking points that I kept hearing again and again and again. All evening. For several days. Hmmm... that's kinda weird. They're all saying the same thing. I mean - THE SAME THING. Verbatim! 'Well, they counted once, they counted again, they counted a third time, and ... " They all keep saying the same thing. The same phrases. The same wording. Anybody else notice? Nobody else is commenting on it. CNN hasn't said anything about that. NBC or the other networks didn't seem to notice either and Pox? Meh, I don't even bother with them. I know what they are (WHORES). christie todd whitman was saying the same damn thing some other guy said about six minutes earlier, interviewed by a different reporter covering a different aspect of the story from a different locale. Same GOP talking point.
We started hearing about blast-faxes and speed dialing and pasteurized-process cheese food product that EVERY GOP operative received, that media people were being sent from the RNC and other operatives, "helping" the media to cover the story. It just became very suspicious to me. This is too much coincidence. And eventually, we all learned, slowly but surely, that it was true. This was exactly what they were doing. Massaging and manipulating the news coverage to get exactly the tone and feel and edge to the story that THEY wanted. What they wanted to make you think. You weren't even made to think. You were guided toward it with invisible gloves, worn quite often by a pretty blonde like some News Vanna White. You half expected them to start stroking the table-top to show off the merchandise down here on the display floor. Heck, they pulled all kinds of stuff during bush/cheney, but that's a whole 'nother conversation.
I bet they're still schooling 'em. I bet this guy was coached. There was another GOP motormouth who was on a few weeks ago who wouldn't shut up for love nor money (well, I take that back - maybe for money) and just talked over everybody throughout the entire segment. This pipsqueak today was just the latest version. This rudeness, interruption, talking over another guest or the opponent, butting in on somebody else's time, the outrage thundered at high decibel levels, in one way or another aggressively controlling the conversation and the air time - is a technique - a tactic - that I keep seeing again and again. I've seen it so damn many times by now, particularly as bush/cheney took over but also during the Clinton era. It happened too frequently to be just a random bunch of coincidences. I got suspicious immediately.
Here, too. pence is still parroting the same lines over and over. He's counting on the sheer repetition, in and of itself, being enough to bore the message deep into the brain. Notice how long he took, gathering his papers at the podium, before he actually began to address the media people there. MAN sure did need those written talking points in front of him to make SURE he stayed on-message.
Somewhat off-topic - I also found the breathing thing odd. Anybody notice his breathing? His lavalier mic must have been too close to his face because it picked up this odd breathing throughout his appearance. Made me think of Darth Vader.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)deflection. That's what they do...
I will steal the epithet "motormouth putz" if you're OK with that?
calimary
(81,198 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)This is why I come to DU!
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)the same as the federal law that has been on the books for 20 years why do they need a state copy? If it does the same thing there seems to be no need for the state law.
And thanks for the video.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Guess the DUDE thought he was on FOX NEWS
winterwar
(210 posts)I think Ed Schultz is a very underrated voice of the left. He isn't afraid to get a little fired up sometimes. I loved him putting this douche bag Heritage Foundation puppet in his place. Ed wouldn't let him fire off repeated lies. Most media personalities let these guys get away with it. Ed dropped the truth hammer on this guy. Go Eddie!
calimary
(81,198 posts)Glad you're here! That made me just deliriously happy! I actually got up on my feet from where I was sitting, and shoved my fists in the air and cheered out loud! I have been wanting for our side to do this - literally FOR YEARS. YANK THEIR MIC!!!! CUT HIS MIC, DAMMIT! Somebody finally did. Amazing. I still am a little bit incredulous that it really happened! But it DID!!!!
LOVE that Ed. Loved him before. Love him even MORE now!!!!
calimary
(81,198 posts)When Ed said - "Cut his mic!" My jaw dropped! I've been yelling at my TV for YEARS about that. When these assholes run on at the mouth, are RUDE, butt in - interrupting ALL THE TIME, after they had their moment to speak and their point to make and then it's somebody else's turn - they just butt in anyway - and they don't stop talking. They just keep on and keep on and keep on with the yammering. It's HIGH TIME somebody finally said - "OKAY, CUT THE MIC." WHY has it taken this long to start doing that?
Big Ed said - NO Filibustering. And sometimes you just have to cut their mic if they won't play fair.
REMEMBER - THAT side is NOT here to play fair. They're here to win - and if that means drowning you out, shouting you down, not letting you get a word in edgewise, butting in and talking over everybody when it's THEIR turn to speak, the constant butting in and interrupting and then not stopping when someone else is supposed to be speaking, then that's what they'll do.
I'm noticing this more and more.
I suspect the latest crop of young CON talking heads have been well schooled in this. I suspect they've had time to practice in studios within the Heritage Foundation (where I think this young motormouth was from), the American Enterprise Institute, the Cato Institute, and all the rest of 'em. They probably have mock studios and staged "shows" with the uki of the day (the sparring partner that's just there to take all the hits, so you can practice your jabbing) simply there to be kicked around and shouted down and talked over. I bet they rehearse and rehearse and rehearse on how to filibuster and crowd out any other point of view.
WHICH MEANS - we have to respond by just yanking their mic. That's it. Done. Cut the mic. For Ed it was after he'd repeatedly asked Young Mr. Motormouth to let the other guy speak. Refusal. Repeated requests. Repeated refusal. Well, then you force our hands, dude. You're OFF THE AIR. I'd actually prefer - OFF THE AIR and OUT OF THE STUDIO. PERMANENTLY. You get ONE chance to be civil. Because you've been on so frequently and you ALWAYS run off at the mouth and try to outshout and shut down the other speakers. So you don't deserve any further politeness yourself. Go ahead and keep on shouting and crowding and filibustering. We've asked you to stop. You won't. So we're cutting your mic. I actually hope they don't invite him on anymore.
Be nice. OR LEAVE!!!!!
It made my day to see that! First time EVER! And it's been SO HUGELY deserved, for so long. Sooooooo many years. SO many years this has been allowed to go on. FINALLY somebody said "STOP!" - and MEANT it! And actually DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT to MAKE them stop. I hope this, too, is a trend that continues. If I were running MSNBC, I'd make it iron-clad POLICY. They don't shut up? Then you cut their mic. AND they're no longer invited on the air.
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)That should be every host's prerogative - and USED consistently. The motormouths should be warned ahead of time that that's what will happen if they refuse to participate in a shared conversation about an issue, but just bully the whole show. I want to email Ed and congratulate him for doing that. Hope he doesn't get flak from his producers.
calimary
(81,198 posts)Post on the Ed Show's Facebook page!
https://www.facebook.com/edshow
I did that yesterday, myself.
We need to build up a visible bulwark that has his back. If the MSNBC brass and other hosts and producers and directors in the control room see this is something their viewers like, it might just spread. LET THEM KNOW this is a workable, and definitely effective tactic on OUR side. This is a teachable moment, that will hopefully get the lesson out there in the open - "HEY CONS, You will NOT go motor mouthing on our shows. You will NOT be rude. You will NOT interrupt. You will NOT just keep on talking over everybody even when asked to stop - and you even talk over the host who's asking you to stop!!!! You will NOT because if you do, your mic will be cut."
And that message should end with ... "And then you won't be invited back."
We have to be there to reinforce this good behavior - CUT HIS MIC. CUT HER MIC.
Have Ed's Back! PLEASE DO!!!! Write him and say thank you! Post it. Tweet it. Email it! Text it. Don't let this go unrewarded! The MSNBC brass needs to know their audience approves. Maybe they'll make it policy then. Or at least they won't discourage its being used as a (hopefully) regular tactic.
The bottom line on all this, PLEASE remember: "If they think YOU don't care, THEY WON'T EITHER!"
Faux pas
(14,657 posts)LOVED it!
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Good on Ed.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)the expertise of more experienced flacks, but Ed's not much better in this case. He didn't seem to have significantly better arguments, but shouted anyway.
Idiot's argument hinged on corporations as people, which is legally a trusim, except that their identity as people is limited.
Can corporations get married? Could there be gay corporations, and could they get married? Do corporations have souls?
Businesses cannot refuse service to women, blacks, or any other group known as discriminated against. That homosexuals may not have made it on the "list" in all cases does not mean that they can be discriminated against, although common law doesn't seem to have worked that out everywhere yet. Just for shits and giggles, try refusing service to a gay couple in NYC or SF and see what happens with or without the law.
The Indiana law gave specific permission to discriminate against homosexuals, which is an abomination and has nothing to do with religious belief or observance. It was simply an attempt to legitimize unacceptable behavior.
Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)the lying little weasel. He tried to argue the old corporations are people b.s., then claimed that the law was NOT discriminatory, but finished his argument by saying if Apple or Angie's List is allowed to discriminate against Indiana based on the C.E.O's personal views, then why can't a Mom and Pop Op. discriminate based on their beliefs, which totally contradicts his initial claim. Socrates called people like this sophists (among the worst low lifes possible because they were not interested in truth), I prefer sleazy ASSHOLES.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Second, so Corporations are now going to flex their religious "rights"?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)We need more agressive action...but, we don't know how long this will last to get viewers back that they lost.
But...it's good ....whether it lasts or not.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)Stuart G
(38,414 posts)K and R....
fredamae
(4,458 posts)Vinca
(50,258 posts)LynnTTT
(362 posts)keep them talking, look quizzical at their statements, and let them selves dig deeper and deeper holes. Kicking them off or yelling over them is a Fox method of interviewing. Do the Rachel Maddow style. Let them finish a statement and then ask the "gotcha" question.
WillTwain
(1,489 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)who was trying to have a debate. This is what these RW hacks do on other shows. This is why Jon Stewart criticized the original Crossfire on CNN because it had descended into a bunch of people shouting at each other because the right wingers wouldn't shut up when asked follow up questions or being shown that they had just told a lie. The network was embarrassed enough to cancel the show back then.
No one cares about what the channel of lies and treasonous talk says. They are spinning trash as usual to their tapioca brained audience.
WillTwain
(1,489 posts)This is an old trainable art form.
valerief
(53,235 posts)anyway.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)leaning shows to have more opposition views so this is what happens as a result.
valerief
(53,235 posts)(by using lefty comedians as contestants) and educate (by providing fact-based answers).
nxylas
(6,440 posts)"It's like the Soviet Union! Thank God Fox News would never do something like that!"