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DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:36 PM Mar 2015

I am a Christian business owner in Indiana...

...from Daily Kos:

(nb: This is from Sunday but my searches didn't reveal a previous post; sorry if it's a duplicate.)


Not really. But If I were, this is the sign I would put in my door.

"Dear Valued Patrons.

Due to my sincerely held religious beliefs, and in light of the RFRA, recently signed by our Dear Leader Pence, I will no longer doing business with the following persons; nor permitting them in my establishment:

1. Divorcees. Matthew 19 : “And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery.”

<snip>

3. Anyone with a tattoo. Leviticus 19:28 "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord."

<snip>

6. Any woman with braided hair or gold jewelry. Just to be on the safe side, NO jewelry at all. 1 Timothy 2 "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments."

7. Any man who has ever, by accident or not, had his genitals damaged. (Current interpretation of this scripture is under debate, so just to be safe, if you've had a vasectomy, or testicular cancer, I can't serve you. I apologize for the inconvenience but I am worried for my soul.) Deuteronomy 23:1 "A man whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off may never join the assembly of the Lord."

<snip>


Just in case you're not covered under any of these exclusions, there a few others. Check out the full list.
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I am a Christian business owner in Indiana... (Original Post) DreamGypsy Mar 2015 OP
What about folks wearing clothes made of multiple materials, pretty sure that is a major sin NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #1
for Jews, not for Christians. merrily Mar 2015 #2
The big homosexuality "If a man lay with another man" drmeow Mar 2015 #7
I agree Gore1FL Mar 2015 #14
Yes, I think she does. tosh Mar 2015 #15
No, they don't say that everything from the OT still applies, only what was referred to again in the merrily Mar 2015 #24
Separation of church and state first. merrily Mar 2015 #3
I've said this 1,000 times. FarPoint Mar 2015 #4
And the laws were derived from the Magna Carta LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #6
I won't put an 'In God We Trust' license plate on my car AwakeAtLast Mar 2015 #13
I guess this business will have to close down upaloopa Mar 2015 #5
It's satire... (n/t) thesquanderer Mar 2015 #12
Most Christians (at least the one's I know) won't know that since they've never read the bible. Booster Mar 2015 #20
Technically, those are old testament scriptures and rules Calista241 Mar 2015 #8
That's addressed in the link thesquanderer Mar 2015 #11
True, but Jesus allowed his disciples to break the Sabbath (picking corn), which was a biggie. merrily Apr 2015 #26
The (fake) business owner... DreamGypsy Mar 2015 #16
Serve no bankers. Because Jesus. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2015 #9
Get your genitals checked at the front door! Ilsa Mar 2015 #10
Instaclassic. byronius Mar 2015 #17
The dispensation discussed by Paul (Saul) and Peter (Simon) was for food. raging moderate Mar 2015 #18
That's why they had the Council of Jeruselum Yupster Mar 2015 #23
OH! The council of Jerusalem! stophurtingamerica Apr 2015 #27
Jesus was an observant Jew Yupster Apr 2015 #28
hem allan01 Mar 2015 #19
It's odd that the bible is full of odd little rules that make no sense.... RichGirl Mar 2015 #21
No these "Christians" love to cherry pick the old testament workinclasszero Mar 2015 #22
Let's hear from President Bartlet BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #25

drmeow

(4,996 posts)
7. The big homosexuality "If a man lay with another man"
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 07:17 PM
Mar 2015

thing is old testament as is the tattoo so the mixed wool and linen clothing rule would technically also be forbidden based on the argument these "Christians" make.

Gore1FL

(21,034 posts)
14. I agree
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:00 PM
Mar 2015

According to the Bible, being gay is as evil as wearing cotton underwear with a nylon waistband, and eating bacon.

It says nothing about lesbians. Maybe God thinks that's hot.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
24. No, they don't say that everything from the OT still applies, only what was referred to again in the
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:12 PM
Mar 2015

NT. Mixing wool and linen or whatever was not one of those things.

There are hundreds of things in the Torah that they don't believe apply after Jesus.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. Separation of church and state first.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:42 PM
Mar 2015

According to Jefferson, it is in the Constitution and the US Constitution was modeled after the one Jefferson had written for Virginia.

We will have an easier time of doing that than we will convincing people that they believe silly things.

Separation of Church and state. Then, if you want to try for more, go for it.

AwakeAtLast

(14,112 posts)
13. I won't put an 'In God We Trust' license plate on my car
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:55 PM
Mar 2015

And I identify as Christian. Religion and State issued plate should not mix.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
5. I guess this business will have to close down
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 06:56 PM
Mar 2015

soon do to lack of customers.
I once saw a burger guy who said he would not sell a burger to someone who could not order in English. Who did he think he was hurting?

Calista241

(5,584 posts)
8. Technically, those are old testament scriptures and rules
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:04 PM
Mar 2015

The whole point of Jesus and the New Testament was to provide a new covenant for the people give them a more personal relationship with their faith without having to follow all the bullshit rules.

Not that the fundie jerkwads know any of that.

thesquanderer

(11,955 posts)
11. That's addressed in the link
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:53 PM
Mar 2015

"For those of you complaining that some of these scriptures are from the Old Testament, and that Jesus came to redeem us from these laws, I refer you to Matthew 5:17-19, where Our Savior himself says: "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven"


merrily

(45,251 posts)
26. True, but Jesus allowed his disciples to break the Sabbath (picking corn), which was a biggie.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:07 AM
Apr 2015

There's probably more, but it's been a while since I read the Bible. Then again, he said the entire OT (all the law and all the prophets) boiled down to just two things: love God and treat your neighbor well. *not exact words--too lazy to google right now.

And Paul, who for some reason I cannot fathom, was deemed inspired by God, abolished a lot of the rules because he was bent on converting pagans to Christianity and all the rules were not a big seller with that community. I don't know how they reconcile that with Jesus's comment that he had not come to abolish the law.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
16. The (fake) business owner...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:08 PM
Mar 2015

...that is, the Daily Kos poster who wrote the piece, attempted to deal with your objection:

For those of you complaining that some of these scriptures are from the Old Testament, and that Jesus came to redeem us from these laws, I refer you to Matthew 5:17-19, where Our Savior himself says: "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven"



Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
10. Get your genitals checked at the front door!
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:33 PM
Mar 2015

How do these people think they're gonna be able to judge everyone and weed out pedophiles, divorced people, former prostitutes, former convicted felons, unfaithful spouses, etc? Have they not read in the New Testament not to judge others?

raging moderate

(4,281 posts)
18. The dispensation discussed by Paul (Saul) and Peter (Simon) was for food.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:17 PM
Mar 2015

The two leaders of the new movement were standing in a meeting with a bunch of new converts from the Pagan tradition, probably with a lot of eager invitations to dinner at different people's houses, wondering how to avoid hurting the feelings of people they had just welcomed in as new brothers and sisters. Paul said to his fellow Jew Peter, "These food laws have always been a little tricky for our people, so do you think we should expect THESE people to figure them out?" Peter said, "Well, I will go home and pray about it." Then Peter had a vivid dream in which God was telling him, "Forget about the food restrictions; for these people, I have decided to call it all kosher." It has always seemed to me that the other dispensations Christians have taken from Jewish Law were mainly from massive reading comprehension deficits.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
23. That's why they had the Council of Jeruselum
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:59 PM
Mar 2015

to settle just what rules needed to be followed by the converts to this new religion.

It is the point where Judaism and Christianity separate.

The result was release from the Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy laws which covered food, clothes and most importantly circumcision.

This is one of those topics in which DU'ers typically embarrass themselves.

27. OH! The council of Jerusalem!
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 07:33 AM
Apr 2015

You mean the one that happened in 50 AD, well after Jesus died? Forgive me if I take Jesus' proscription against violating even the least of the commandments over things his apostles decided years after he died. Didn't mean to embarrass myself.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
28. Jesus was an observant Jew
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:46 AM
Apr 2015

The split between Judaism and the new religion of Christianity didn't come until (IMO) the Council of Jerusalem after Jesus died.

The apostles were going around and sending back stories to Jerusalem saying it would be a lot easier to convert people if they didn't have to follow all the Jewish laws because even though they were interested in Jesus' story, Greeks had no interest in following Jewish laws, especially the one about circumcision.

I think most of us can understand that particular reluctance.

So a parley was called and the Council of Jerusalem issued its rules on what a person needs to follow to be a member of the new religion following Jesus.

So, accusing modern day Christians of not following Levitican Law will get no where as Christians were released from those laws by the Council of Jerusalem.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
21. It's odd that the bible is full of odd little rules that make no sense....
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:30 PM
Mar 2015

But not once does it say anything about rape or child molestation. It's understandable I guess, since thousands of years ago women had no rights at all so concentual sex didn't exist and since they married off girls nine and ten years old...that wasn't an issue either. But, if I was God, the first commandment would be "Thou shalt not have sex with children." How is it that perfectly intelligent people don't get that the bible was written by people based on the life style back then.

Neither homosexuality or abstinence are in the ten commandments and Jesus never mentioned either...yet now in 2015 they are big issues. It's almost as if the right wing is using Christianity to control people.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
22. No these "Christians" love to cherry pick the old testament
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:46 PM
Mar 2015

They leave out the part about divorce, cause 75% of their friends and family are married 2,3,4 times.

Also the part where kids that backtalk their parents get stoned to death. Also the part about anyone who says "God told me this.." and it doesn't happen, gets stoned to death, man 99% of TV preachers and all the dominunist heretics would be 6 feet under years ago!

Also the part about being a virgin on your wedding day or...yeah. Cause you know their kids are good, just made a little mistake.

Or trimming your beard or eating non kosher food or working on the Sabbath, you can only wear certain kinds of fabric, etc,etc.

Buy gay people?

OMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!HORRORS!!! They must DIE and their blood be upon them!!!!

Haters and violence lovers just looking for a safe target cause nobody they know is gay or is in deep denial. They need an outlet for their hate and gay people fill the bill, sadly.

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