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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am a Christian business owner in Indiana...
...from Daily Kos:
(nb: This is from Sunday but my searches didn't reveal a previous post; sorry if it's a duplicate.)
Not really. But If I were, this is the sign I would put in my door.
"Dear Valued Patrons.
Due to my sincerely held religious beliefs, and in light of the RFRA, recently signed by our Dear Leader Pence, I will no longer doing business with the following persons; nor permitting them in my establishment:
1. Divorcees. Matthew 19 : And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery.
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3. Anyone with a tattoo. Leviticus 19:28 "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord."
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6. Any woman with braided hair or gold jewelry. Just to be on the safe side, NO jewelry at all. 1 Timothy 2 "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments."
7. Any man who has ever, by accident or not, had his genitals damaged. (Current interpretation of this scripture is under debate, so just to be safe, if you've had a vasectomy, or testicular cancer, I can't serve you. I apologize for the inconvenience but I am worried for my soul.) Deuteronomy 23:1 "A man whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off may never join the assembly of the Lord."
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Just in case you're not covered under any of these exclusions, there a few others. Check out the full list.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)drmeow
(4,996 posts)thing is old testament as is the tattoo so the mixed wool and linen clothing rule would technically also be forbidden based on the argument these "Christians" make.
According to the Bible, being gay is as evil as wearing cotton underwear with a nylon waistband, and eating bacon.
It says nothing about lesbians. Maybe God thinks that's hot.
tosh
(4,422 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)NT. Mixing wool and linen or whatever was not one of those things.
There are hundreds of things in the Torah that they don't believe apply after Jesus.
merrily
(45,251 posts)According to Jefferson, it is in the Constitution and the US Constitution was modeled after the one Jefferson had written for Virginia.
We will have an easier time of doing that than we will convincing people that they believe silly things.
Separation of Church and state. Then, if you want to try for more, go for it.
FarPoint
(12,209 posts)Can't say it loud enough.
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)AwakeAtLast
(14,112 posts)And I identify as Christian. Religion and State issued plate should not mix.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)soon do to lack of customers.
I once saw a burger guy who said he would not sell a burger to someone who could not order in English. Who did he think he was hurting?
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)Booster
(10,021 posts)Calista241
(5,584 posts)The whole point of Jesus and the New Testament was to provide a new covenant for the people give them a more personal relationship with their faith without having to follow all the bullshit rules.
Not that the fundie jerkwads know any of that.
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)"For those of you complaining that some of these scriptures are from the Old Testament, and that Jesus came to redeem us from these laws, I refer you to Matthew 5:17-19, where Our Savior himself says: "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven"
merrily
(45,251 posts)There's probably more, but it's been a while since I read the Bible. Then again, he said the entire OT (all the law and all the prophets) boiled down to just two things: love God and treat your neighbor well. *not exact words--too lazy to google right now.
And Paul, who for some reason I cannot fathom, was deemed inspired by God, abolished a lot of the rules because he was bent on converting pagans to Christianity and all the rules were not a big seller with that community. I don't know how they reconcile that with Jesus's comment that he had not come to abolish the law.
DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)...that is, the Daily Kos poster who wrote the piece, attempted to deal with your objection:
For those of you complaining that some of these scriptures are from the Old Testament, and that Jesus came to redeem us from these laws, I refer you to Matthew 5:17-19, where Our Savior himself says: "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven"
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Ilsa
(61,675 posts)How do these people think they're gonna be able to judge everyone and weed out pedophiles, divorced people, former prostitutes, former convicted felons, unfaithful spouses, etc? Have they not read in the New Testament not to judge others?
byronius
(7,369 posts)Things were a lot easier when people weren't allowed to read the actual words.
raging moderate
(4,281 posts)The two leaders of the new movement were standing in a meeting with a bunch of new converts from the Pagan tradition, probably with a lot of eager invitations to dinner at different people's houses, wondering how to avoid hurting the feelings of people they had just welcomed in as new brothers and sisters. Paul said to his fellow Jew Peter, "These food laws have always been a little tricky for our people, so do you think we should expect THESE people to figure them out?" Peter said, "Well, I will go home and pray about it." Then Peter had a vivid dream in which God was telling him, "Forget about the food restrictions; for these people, I have decided to call it all kosher." It has always seemed to me that the other dispensations Christians have taken from Jewish Law were mainly from massive reading comprehension deficits.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)to settle just what rules needed to be followed by the converts to this new religion.
It is the point where Judaism and Christianity separate.
The result was release from the Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy laws which covered food, clothes and most importantly circumcision.
This is one of those topics in which DU'ers typically embarrass themselves.
stophurtingamerica
(1 post)You mean the one that happened in 50 AD, well after Jesus died? Forgive me if I take Jesus' proscription against violating even the least of the commandments over things his apostles decided years after he died. Didn't mean to embarrass myself.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)The split between Judaism and the new religion of Christianity didn't come until (IMO) the Council of Jerusalem after Jesus died.
The apostles were going around and sending back stories to Jerusalem saying it would be a lot easier to convert people if they didn't have to follow all the Jewish laws because even though they were interested in Jesus' story, Greeks had no interest in following Jewish laws, especially the one about circumcision.
I think most of us can understand that particular reluctance.
So a parley was called and the Council of Jerusalem issued its rules on what a person needs to follow to be a member of the new religion following Jesus.
So, accusing modern day Christians of not following Levitican Law will get no where as Christians were released from those laws by the Council of Jerusalem.
allan01
(1,950 posts)my feet and wallet will vote not to visit your establisment dear sir.
RichGirl
(4,119 posts)But not once does it say anything about rape or child molestation. It's understandable I guess, since thousands of years ago women had no rights at all so concentual sex didn't exist and since they married off girls nine and ten years old...that wasn't an issue either. But, if I was God, the first commandment would be "Thou shalt not have sex with children." How is it that perfectly intelligent people don't get that the bible was written by people based on the life style back then.
Neither homosexuality or abstinence are in the ten commandments and Jesus never mentioned either...yet now in 2015 they are big issues. It's almost as if the right wing is using Christianity to control people.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)They leave out the part about divorce, cause 75% of their friends and family are married 2,3,4 times.
Also the part where kids that backtalk their parents get stoned to death. Also the part about anyone who says "God told me this.." and it doesn't happen, gets stoned to death, man 99% of TV preachers and all the dominunist heretics would be 6 feet under years ago!
Also the part about being a virgin on your wedding day or...yeah. Cause you know their kids are good, just made a little mistake.
Or trimming your beard or eating non kosher food or working on the Sabbath, you can only wear certain kinds of fabric, etc,etc.
Buy gay people?
OMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!HORRORS!!! They must DIE and their blood be upon them!!!!
Haters and violence lovers just looking for a safe target cause nobody they know is gay or is in deep denial. They need an outlet for their hate and gay people fill the bill, sadly.