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Fri Apr 17, 2015, 08:53 AM

2016

“Every generation doubtless feels called upon to reform the world. Mine knows that it will not reform it, but its task is perhaps even greater. It consists of preventing the world from destroying itself.”
-- Albert Camus


My youngest daughter’s friend e-mailed me a photograph of her meeting Hillary Clinton. Although the picture is a few weeks old, I really enjoyed seeing it today. This young lady -- a senior in high school -- is the type of person that gives me real hope for the future.

A few hours after getting that picture, by way of the internet, I had a meeting with a gentleman who is running for a local position, in an election later this year. Like a number of prospective politicians in our region, he wants my assistance in planning his campaign strategy. As he is a registered Democrat, and strikes me as a decent fellow, I’m happy to be of assistance.

As we went for a walk, I encouraged him to talk about why he is running for office, and what his goals will be if he is elected. From listening to a person talk, I’m able to write up press releases, letters-to-editors, and speeches, that sound as if he wrote them himself. Over the decades, I’ve been pretty successful in doing that.

Since he is one of the very few human beings on earth who is actually older than me, I was interested in hearing his opinion on current events. That included local, state, and national issues, as well as his view of the quality of the current crop of leaders from the Democratic Party. It would be both fair and accurate to say that he has a decidedly low opinion of the majority of our elected representatives on the state and national level.

The only President of recent years that he thought highly of was Bill Clinton. I asked him if he supported Hillary Clinton for 2016? He said that, while she’s probably the best choice we’ll have, he views her more as the “least worse” of potential presidential candidates. He said that he thinks she will slow the pace that our country self-destructs, but not change the general direction we are going in.

I’m aware that he has a daughter and a son. So I asked him if he thought Ms. Clinton getting elected would represent a move towards equality between the sexes? His answer included both “yes” and “no.” He believes that every child in America should grow up believing that they could actually become elected President, in that half the population shouldn’t feel that there are doors closed to them, simply because they are female. On the other hand, he said, issues of social class are more likely to prevent his daughter from accessing all the doors that should be open to her, rather than simply her being female. He said that he believes that Hillary Clinton’s social status has more influence on her actions in government, than her being female does.

I have voted in every election since I was first able to. And not just presidential elections, though I haven’t missed one of them. But “off year” congressional elections, plus state, county, and community elections. Included in this is having voted for the Democrat in virtually every presidential election. In my local area, there isn’t always a democratic candidate; there are times it’s been a third party, or the less bad of two republicans. But I always vote. I view it not simply as a right, but a responsibility to be taken very seriously.

As we begin this election cycle, I appreciate why some people are very excited about the prospects of electing Hillary Clinton as President. I also understand why others feel like it is most likely to be the old “lesser of two evils” deal, which hardly inspires. (Personally, I am not aware of any candidate -- including those that some folks dream of drafting for the job -- who I think has the potential to institute real change. I’m not convinced that the Oval Office actually offers that ability any more.)

In this context, the question will be: Can Hillary Clinton win in November of 2016? Those who believe that she’s sure to win, like those who believe that she’s sure to lose, are unrealistic. Certainly, either one of those outcomes will be possible. The last four elections have indicated that presidential elections are more likely to be close, than not. In fact, this one will come down to one person -- Hillary Clinton, the candidate. In the final analysis, the outcome will be determined by if she can convince enough people to vote for her. It really is that simple.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 09:41 AM

1. Thanks for your usual thoughtfulness...

 

...and the Camus quote.

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Response to Wilms (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 09:42 AM

2. Thank you.

I find myself reading more of Camus in recent days.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 10:44 AM

3. And that last question perhaps is also unrealistic expecting no one to beat her in the nomination...

 

If it is trying to say we can't be realistically expecting her to win or lose the general election, why is it so confident that it will be her that we're asking this question about?

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 10:54 AM

4. There is a lot

of time between now and the Democratic National Convention, and many things could change between now and then. However, at this point in time, it seems more likely that she will be the nominee than not. I think that most people here -- be they pro-Clinton, anti-Clinton, or undecided -- would agree on that.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 10:57 AM

5. I think most would agree that the PTB want this outcome to be "expected" by all of us...

 

... though many would take issue with what/who we feel the public really wants as a democratic candidate.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 11:02 AM

6. Oh, absolutely.

I agree with you on that, 100%

I view all of life as imitating the great sport of boxing. If we think of a title fight between two fighters that the promote controls, we know that he "wins" no matter what the outcome of that fight. The PTB -- or machine -- always prefers elections between two contestants they control. Always.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 12:52 PM

9. You see all life as blood sport, I see it as a dance.

 

Makes a big difference.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:07 PM

11. You see boxing

as a "blood sport." Not surprising.


On edit: I suppose there are all types of "dance." It's sad to see that your's is so completely saturated with bitterness and hostility these days. Going from what I've read in your responses, both to me and others on this forum, it seems that you are a very unhappy person these days.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 11:50 AM

7. What's going on out here in America with the "average person" is going to have

a bigger influence than we think, imho, as we focus on the presidential prize. There is unrest everywhere and protests are increasing over events/issues that haven't seen since the turmoil of the late 60's. There is evidence of Populism rising which is a new effort put into the mix.

I've come to your same conclusion when you say:

As we begin this election cycle, I appreciate why some people are very excited about the prospects of electing Hillary Clinton as President. I also understand why others feel like it is most likely to be the old “lesser of two evils” deal, which hardly inspires. (Personally, I am not aware of any candidate -- including those that some folks dream of drafting for the job -- who I think has the potential to institute real change. I’m not convinced that the Oval Office actually offers that ability any more.)


But, I believe the CHANGE, this time, will be fought on the ground and come from the bottom up. People taking things into their own hands because they realize they are outnumbered by the Big Money, (International, Wall Street and the One Percenters) plus the influence of Think Tanks and Corporations writing legislation that the "People" have little or no say in.

The Service Workers Strikes are making a difference on "Minimum Wage" and even in the "Right to Work" South there is a strong attempt at Unionizing workers at Boeing.

I posted an article on "Gawker Media" attempting to Unionize with the "Writers Guild." That's amazing for an internet online media conglomerate to attempt to do--considering that "Writers Guild" press and rRousands of reporters were laid off and scrambling to write Blogs or do free articles for Huffington Post.

There wasn't any interest in the Post but, there are many efforts going on all over the US that signal a brewing interest in people organizing with each other and Unions of Workers or Action Committees of Workers, in some fashion, now coming back in the public's interest.

Our War Policy and unaccounted for Pentagon Spending aren't being discussed, anymore. Yet the huge Pentagon Budget for our efforts since we invaded Iraq has drained resources we could have spent here at home. There's a possibility this may erupt before election day 2016. It seems "off the radar" in Mainstream American Media, but its getting hard to ignore "Mission Creep" and rumblings of the New Cold War with Russiia.

We shall see. But I think the next two years are not going to be easy as some important issues not addressed in the last two decades start falling out of the closet and will have to finally be dealt with.

If Hillary is "The Inevitable" she will still have to face these issues. Some feel she will handle any issue very well. Others feel she needs to be alerted to the issues where she still seems to be in agreement with policies which have failed. And, still others feel that there aren't any issues that are important enough not to vote for anyone with a"D" after their name and those who do have issues they want addressed should just--"Stuff It."

Is she a better candidate than the dreaded Republicans Yes. But, we Dems out here have got to stop worrying about THEM and worry about taking care of OURSELVES. Because no one else is going to do it for us.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:08 PM

12. Very good!

Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 12:11 PM

8. BTW: Here's an article you might find interesting...

Posted over at "Populist Reform Group"

Democrats’ civil war over free trade--Open In-Fighting Ramps Up after Breakthrough on Bill Announced

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12776674

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Response to KoKo (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:10 PM

13. Interesting.

Thank you for this.

I knew that there was a "Populist Reform Group," but this provided me with my first chance to see it. Later today/tonight, I'll have more time to read through it. (I tend to focus on DU:GD, and one of the sports forums.)

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:05 PM

10. "I’m not convinced that the Oval Office actually offers that ability any more." Good point. I have

wondered about this for a few years now. Who actually is in control of this country? And can ANY President, no matter how great a choice s/he may be, actually do what they think is right for the country IF it conflicts with those in power who do not always see.

'The Powers Behind the Throne'! Have they gained so much influence that even a President, no matter how popular, can over rule them on important issues?

Which is why, since I don't really know the answer to that question, I believe we should not be distracted by the Presidential race.

I may be wrong, but I think since the people have practially zero power over the WH after the election, it is imperative to focus strongly on the Congressional and Senate races.

Just seeing what they are passing today alone, makes this all the more urgent imo.

We should have a list of Elected officials who have clearly not worked for those who elected them, and target them for replacement.

Bottom line, IF we get a great president who really wants to do good for the people, s/he cannot do much if Congress isn't willing to back them up.

Contrarily if we get a bad president Congress can stop them from implementing bad policies, see Bush eg.

So I think I'm going to be spending more time on where the people can still exercise some power rather than all the time on the WH race.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:13 PM

14. I agree.

I'm going to be more focused on congressional elections, than the presidential contest. And for the very reasons that you note.

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