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Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:04 PM

Road-Rage Incident/ Court Hearing

“Let justice flow down like water, and righteousness a mighty stream.”
-- Amos 5:24


There was a pre-trial court hearing in Norwich, NY, today for John Guzy, the man who shot my cousin and his son last October. The incident, which was a case of “road rage,” is something that I’ve wrote about here on DU:GD previously. In fact, with the support of the DU community, we were able to set the county’s record for both contacts with the District Attorney and Judge, with people demanding that bail not be set for Guzy.

In today’s hearing, the defendant’s attorney requested that the judge block the prosecutor from using any of the physical evidence and all statements his client made to police, before being arrested. This is because Guzy has recently decided upon another lie that he hopes to tell the jury -- that his victims had been stalking him, and that a desperate last resort, he had to shoot them to save his own life.

The attorney also requested the court bar any mention of a similar case, just two month’s prior, where Guzy had dogged another vehicle on Rt. 17 -- a four-lane highway, in which he could have simply passed -- then pulled ahead, slammed on his brakes, and got out of his vehicle and pointed his handgun at the other vehicle. They escaped injury, but reported the incident to police. Guzy pleaded guilty, apparently to a lesser charge. This was one of four very similar incidents of Guzy -- a retired NYC cop, who was employed by the county Sheriff’s department in October -- threatening people’s lives with his gun. In fact, he had discharged the weapon in the direction of his neighbor’s children last summer, while they were on their own property, because they were making noise that annoyed him.

My youngest daughter and I were among nine of our extended family in court today. It is extremely rough for my cousin, who held his son while he bled to death on a gravel parking lot, and my aunt and uncle (in their late 80s). To sit and look at this vile individual was difficult. I was glad that he was chained, hands and feet.

The decision about the evidence will take at least two months. We are confident that he doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Two NYS Police officers, including a Senior Investigator for the Bureau of Criminal Investigation, testified. They also produced recordings of Guzy’s initial lies to police, when on his own accord, he went to press charges against his victims. He believed at the time that both were dead, and thus that there were no witnesses to dispute his lies.

The actual trial hasn’t been scheduled yet. It could be in October, or perhaps later. (One scheduling issue is that my cousin and I are planning a trip to Ireland and Scotland. I’m just getting a one-way ticket. I expect he may opt to return.)

I will keep folks here updated as things progress.

Peace,
H2O Man

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H2O Man Apr 2015 OP
malaise Apr 2015 #1
scarletwoman Apr 2015 #2
Suich Apr 2015 #3
kelliekat44 Apr 2015 #4
rhett o rick Apr 2015 #5
AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #6
niyad Apr 2015 #7
onecaliberal Apr 2015 #8
Raine1967 Apr 2015 #9
msanthrope Apr 2015 #10
NBachers Apr 2015 #11
CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #12
calimary Apr 2015 #13
kairos12 Apr 2015 #14
passiveporcupine Apr 2015 #15
Hekate Apr 2015 #16
Downwinder Apr 2015 #17
lovemydog Apr 2015 #18
H2O Man Apr 2015 #19
mmonk Apr 2015 #20
malthaussen Apr 2015 #21
erronis Apr 2015 #22
annabanana Apr 2015 #23
immoderate Apr 2015 #24
Phentex Apr 2015 #25
samsingh Apr 2015 #26
hootinholler Apr 2015 #27
a kennedy Apr 2015 #28
Warpy Apr 2015 #29
peace13 Apr 2015 #30
Octafish Apr 2015 #31
AwakeAtLast Apr 2015 #32
Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #33
Ilsa Apr 2015 #34

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:09 PM

1. I can't begin to imagine the pain your

cousin faced as his son bled to death.

Keep us posted WaterMan

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Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:11 PM

2. Gawd damn! This guy is psycho!

May the prosecutor prevail!

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Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:12 PM

3. Thanks for the update, H2O Man!

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Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:15 PM

4. Standing with you and your family in spirit and hope.

 

May there be a just and favorable outcome for your family.l

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:16 PM

5. And peace to you and yours my friend. nm

 

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Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:17 PM

6. I feel for you and your family...one day at a time...

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:23 PM

7. continuing to send prayers for strength and comfort for all your family. what an

absolutely sickening piece of scum that guy is.


I am going to continue to hope that the outcome is correct. a friend who was a victim of a bizarre road rage situation at about the same time as yours, has now seen the would-be-murderer sentenced to 30 years.

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Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:24 PM

8. Hoping and praying for swift justice.

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Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:27 PM

9. ...

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Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:28 PM

10. You and you family are in my thoughts. He needs to spend the rest of his life behind bars. nt

 

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Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:37 PM

11. This punk ain't foolin' anyone. It won't fly.

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Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:41 PM

12. My dear H20 Man...

Unbelievable, the lies people think they can get away with. I am aghast.

I trust the judge will refuse to allow this to happen.

Stalking! I have no words.

My heart is with you and your cousin.

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Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:19 PM

13. Staggering. I'm so sorry about this - for your whole family!

So sorry that you all have to go through this! What a nightmare.

I hope this guy gets what's coming to him. Keeping you in our thoughts.

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Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:02 PM

14. I hope they slam this guy with the maximum possible sentence. What a walking nightmare for you guys.

My condolences.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:04 PM

15. Guzy is a duzy of a coward

Everything he does just screams cowardice.

I wish you and your family well, and I hope the judge does the right thing.

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Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:08 PM

16. They presented him in chains? That's a good sign, I hope. God bless your family, H2O Man.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:14 PM

17. Gives a little insight into the attitude in the NYPD

and law enforcement in general.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:48 PM

18. My thoughts are with you and your family, H20 Man.

Peace.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 21, 2015, 09:06 AM

19. Thank you to

everyone who responded. I appreciate the "recommends" and especially the kind and caring messages of support.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 21, 2015, 10:07 AM

20. Thanks for the update.

Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 21, 2015, 12:07 PM

21. Well, there's a notion.

Refuse to admit any evidence that may tend to prove the defendent is a rabid animal that should be locked away for the good of society.

Two months to rule on such idiocy? It shouldn't take two minutes.

-- Mal

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Tue Apr 21, 2015, 01:30 PM

22. Should I feel sorrow or contempt for the defendant's legal rep?

I haven't gone back to your earlier postings but I do remember the horror I felt when you presented this a few months ago.

While I understand that defense attorneys have an obligation to represent their client, I wonder at what might go through this particular one's mind when having to make a case for someone like Guzy.

Perhaps the defense attorney is doing this as part of the common good - court-appointed, or perhaps this attorney thinks that Guzy is actually innocent of the crime. Or perhaps this attorney believes that this will bring notoriety to his/her reputation.

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Tue Apr 21, 2015, 02:50 PM

23. Thank you for keeping us in the loop, my friend.

I can't imagine that this attempt to block pretty much ALL the evidence will stick.

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Tue Apr 21, 2015, 03:27 PM

24. Insult to injury. So outrageous. Be strong H2O man.

 



--imm

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Tue Apr 21, 2015, 03:29 PM

25. Thanks for the update...

He'll get his.

Thinking of you and your family!!!

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Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:03 PM

26. thanks for posting this

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:42 PM

27. One way ticket?

Are you planning on moving to Ireland?

Thanks for the update, sending my thought your family's way.

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Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:51 PM

28. So sorry you have to even go through all this.....

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Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:06 PM

29. They often suppress evidence of priors since they want a jury

to consider the case before them, only. So brace yourselves for that one. As for suppressing physical evidence, the judge will likely tell them to go pound sand. As for the statements he made to the cops, that can be iffy territory.

If he was fully shackled in court, it's likely he's been misbehaving in jail. Even in preliminary hearings, defense attorneys generally like to present these bastards as the soul of innocence and upstanding members of the upper middle class.

I hope Guzy's guy manages to talk his client into pleading down to manslaughter. That would keep him in a cage until he's too old to remember which end of a gun the bullet comes out of and public safety will be served.

I'm just sorry you have to go through this. Been there.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:17 PM

30. Words are hard to come by.

 

I am so sorry for your loss and these difficult times that drag on. I send you love and healing energy. Tears and sadness here, for the pain that your family has endured. Stay strong and visualize justice for the crimes and a day when breathing will be easier.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:56 PM

31. Godspeed.

How books in the Library of Alexandria may have been stored.





Plato Compares Human Memory to Wax Tablets
(Circa 369 BCE)

Socrates: Please assume, then, for the sake of argument, that there is in our souls a block of wax, in one case larger, in another smaller, in one case the wax is purer, in another more impure and harder, in some cases softer.

Theaetetus: I assume all that.

Socrates: Let us, then, say that this is the gift of Memory, the mother of the Muses, and that whenever we wish to remember anything we see or hear or think of in our own minds, we hold this wax under the perceptions and thoughts and imprint them upon it, just as we make impressions from seal rings; and whatever is imprinted we remember and know as long as its image lasts, but whatever is rubbed out or (191e) cannot be imprinted we forget and do not know.

Theaetetus: Let us assume that.

Socrates: Now take a man who knows the things which he sees and hears, and is considering some one of them; observe whether he may not gain a false opinion in the following manner.

Theaetetus: In what manner?

Socrates: By thinking that the things which he knows are sometimes things which he knows and sometimes things which he does not know. For we were wrong before in agreeing that this is impossible.

Theaetetus: What do you say about it now?

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Plato's complete discussion in the Theaetetus of false judgment as the inappropriate linkage of a perception to a memory – the mind as a wax tablet– appears in lines 191a–196c of the dialogue.

SOURCE: http://www.historyofinformation.com/expanded.php?id=3993



Memories. They're how we build the future. Keep going forward, noble H2O Man. Walk far and see all you can in Ireland and Scotland. Come back Stateside when you're ready, if you want.

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Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:40 PM

32. We are here for you and your family, H2O Man

For peace and healing, as well as justice.

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Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:47 PM

33. Good luck on this newest request, H2O Man. I hope it goes your cousin's way.

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Tue Apr 21, 2015, 08:30 PM

34. Hang tough, friend,

for your family and others awaiting justice. We'll wait with you. (I can't imagine the pain and anger.)

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