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Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:25 PM

 

Is Elizabeth Warren Doing Obama's Bidding?

Obama has learned that nothing he wants can get through Congress. The GOP submarines every initiative, even those working to their benefit, and the Democrats are faintly better.

So, here comes TPP, in the works for close to a decade, and the President wants it to go through. Just knowing the President wants it is enough to have the GOP-dominated Congress block it, unless.... the Democrats hate it. Enter some political strategy and Elizabeth Warren. Obama recruits her to go on every news show and vocally hammer away on the agreement without ever mentioning a single detail about it except that she hates it being a secret. She stirs up the left into such a frenzy that they start invoking the specter of Ross Perot and how he was right along along about NAFTA, so this one must be bad, too.

The GOP will reserve judgment until they know more, but already are leaning toward liking it because the left hates it. When the smoke clears, it passes easily.

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Reply Is Elizabeth Warren Doing Obama's Bidding? (Original post)
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 OP
NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #1
CJCRANE Apr 2015 #2
polichick Apr 2015 #3
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #20
diabeticman Apr 2015 #4
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #7
cali Apr 2015 #11
diabeticman Apr 2015 #12
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #14
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #13
cali Apr 2015 #17
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #18
cali Apr 2015 #24
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #39
misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #30
cali Apr 2015 #37
misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #38
cali Apr 2015 #42
orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #75
tritsofme Apr 2015 #5
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #6
RiverLover Apr 2015 #8
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #9
cali Apr 2015 #33
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #45
cali Apr 2015 #55
cali Apr 2015 #10
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #15
cali Apr 2015 #21
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #58
cali Apr 2015 #62
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #63
aspirant Apr 2015 #78
RobertEarl Apr 2015 #16
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #19
cali Apr 2015 #23
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #40
aspirant Apr 2015 #25
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #43
aspirant Apr 2015 #77
RiverLover Apr 2015 #26
pscot Apr 2015 #22
Sienna86 Apr 2015 #27
cali Apr 2015 #28
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #47
truebluegreen Apr 2015 #29
cali Apr 2015 #31
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #46
cali Apr 2015 #50
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #52
cali Apr 2015 #60
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #61
cali Apr 2015 #65
truebluegreen Apr 2015 #66
cali Apr 2015 #68
truebluegreen Apr 2015 #69
Aerows Apr 2015 #57
MFrohike Apr 2015 #32
misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #35
liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #36
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #48
MFrohike Apr 2015 #54
liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #34
GoneFishin Apr 2015 #41
cali Apr 2015 #44
truebluegreen Apr 2015 #67
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #49
sendero Apr 2015 #51
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #53
cali Apr 2015 #56
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #59
RiverLover Apr 2015 #64
sendero Apr 2015 #71
arcane1 Apr 2015 #70
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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:30 PM

1. Maybe. Both are brilliant, and both are future past presidents!

 



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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:32 PM

2. I thought she wasn't allowed to talk about the details.

Plus I thought the Repubs were for it even before the Dems came out against it.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:35 PM

3. So EW is a lying sack of shit?

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Response to polichick (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:07 PM

20. She's a politician.

 

So, probably.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:37 PM

4. NOPE! Not even a funny joke.

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Response to diabeticman (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:41 PM

7. It's not a joke, but it makes more sense than taking all this insanity at face value.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:46 PM

11. It makes exactly no sense.

 

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Response to cali (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:47 PM

12. Thank You I was just about to say that.

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Response to diabeticman (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:53 PM

14. You already did.

 

But you get an "attaboy" anyway.

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Response to cali (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:52 PM

13. cali, you have no room to talk on this.

 

The number one instigator of this craziness, and you're telling me what makes sense and what doesn't?

You have raised the level of hysteria here to a fever pitch, and it's based on damned near nothing.

I have no idea if I will favor this agreement or not, but I sure as well will wait for the details. It's too late for you to back off -- you've gone all in -- but you need to step back from those who disagree with you.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:02 PM

17. I sure do. I don't make up crazy shit. I post links to well respected sources for my claims

 

This has nothing to do with whether you support, don't support or are withholding judgment on the tpp. I explain in another post in this thread, why this theory of yours is so completely without foundation, and you provide not a scrap of evidence for it.

You are being far less than honest in your claims about what I've posted on this subject. That is contemptible.

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Response to cali (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:05 PM

18. I never claimed this was more than pure speculation. I was honest about that.

 

Can you make the same claim?

You may source your nonsense to people you respect, but it remains pure speculation. Beyond the secrecy issue, your objections to TPP are based on smoke.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:26 PM

24. yes. I can.

 

And much of what I link to is not speculation. It's history, analysis, statistics, facts. You simply aren't well enough informed to grasp that.

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Response to cali (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:38 PM

39. I'm not referring to history, analysis, or statistics. Just facts about TPP...

 

... which are in real short supply, unlike the supply of wild speculation and conjured outrage.

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Response to cali (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:43 PM

30. Post Links?? I disagree as to the link thing. Everyday you post opinion pieces.

And most have no link.
Just saying.
I see them everyday & do make note of the fact.

We are aware what your opinion is of Hillary Clinton.
You opine it everyday with no link, making it just that. Your opinion, clearly directed to the dream ticket of"currently no one" vs the Clown car Rw fascists.

I dismiss most of your posts as clearly biased.
But you are so welcome to continue opining as to the wish for Clinton's demise even if the latest news you devulge is straight out of the RW playbook.

It is pretty obvious.


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Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #30)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:17 PM

37. here ya go, and FAIL

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026569564
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026567441
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026547878
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026560108

And of course I'm biased. So are you. So is everyone posting here.

I dismiss poster's who habitually make shit up and who falsely compare liberal criticism with the right wing. It is a vile thing to do.

And yes, of course I also post my opinion without links. You do that too.

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Response to cali (Reply #37)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:35 PM

38. Haahaa. Really? You post opinion pieces every day.

Not a link in sight.
So don't self riteously post that you provide links cuz You do not always do so.
I have pointed that out to you several times.

Say the truth then.
Haa. Oh brother. P.U. is stepping in it deeply today.

I better IGNORE YOU now before you drag me into your useless pissin matches.
Been lovely.
Try giving us a link to your famous hard hitting daily opinion pieces .
Have fun.
3.2.1...IGNORE



^H^R^C

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Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #38)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:41 PM

42. lol another scared poster

 

Couldn't respond to my proof. Color me shocked and bye bye.

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Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #30)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 05:05 PM

75. Better than your Torquemada approach to any dissension .

 

You acting like a Scientologists and baiting people into an " I'm a sinner because I DON'T support Hillary " is getting tired .

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:37 PM

5. I mean...do you really think this?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:41 PM

6. No. I actually think she is Hillary's attack dog on this issue.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:42 PM

8. The rethugs have liked it all along. Why do you think he waited for a rethug senate majority before

having the fast track bill introduced?

Man, I can't stand RWrs, either party.

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:44 PM

9. "Man, I can't stand RWrs, either party."

 

About that ...

I can't abide non-thinking regardless of the subject. The hive behavior at DU on this issue is somewhere between pathetic and laughable.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:47 PM

33. your op is what you claim to hate. a textbook case.

 

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Response to cali (Reply #33)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:42 PM

45. Bullshit, cali. I am not painting my speculation as "history, analysis, statistics, and facts."

 

Which, using your own words, is precisely what you're doing with your little fiction.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #45)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:56 PM

55. YOU said you couldn't abide "non-thinking"

 

Your op demonstrates that you abide it quite well as long as you're the one engaging in it. The op is wholly illogical and belied by an overwhelming amount of evidence, as well as common sense.

When you hear hoof beats think horses, not zebras.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:45 PM

10. no, that's beyond ridiculous and shows no understanding of the history involved.

 

For instance, NAFTA was opposed by a strong majority of House Democrats.

Republicans have a history of staunch support for ftas. There has never been any question about their support for the tpp. Do you not get who the forces are who are lined up on either side? Do you actually believe that Warren could possibly secretly be aligned with multinationals and Wall Street, and against Public Interest groups?

You have achieved a total eclipse of..... logic.

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Response to cali (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:55 PM

15. If I recall correctly, NAFTA was supported by the president pro-tem of the Senate.

 

You remember him. He's the #1 reason why this website was created.




You have achieved a total eclipse of..... logic.

Logic? What sort of logic is needed to simply wait and see?

What logic have you demonstrated on this issue?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:11 PM

21. what does that have to do with the facts I posted? nothing

 

Of course the VP of the President who pushed for it supported it. Irrelevant to the history of democratic division and opposition to ftas. I'd explain why that opposition exists, but why bother? It seems you're impervious to facts and history on this topic.

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Response to cali (Reply #21)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:07 PM

58. Just a little history and analysis.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #58)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:11 PM

62. gad. It is neither

 

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Response to cali (Reply #62)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:13 PM

63. You've been keeping a pretty low threshold for credibility.

 

Are you going to hold me to a higher standard?

Of course you are.

This thread has served its purpose and run its course.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #63)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 06:40 PM

78. There was no purpose to this OP

Trying to show speculation exists within a world of imposed secrecy is silliness.

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Response to cali (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:57 PM

16. excellent cali

 

The op in my mind is expressing a conspiracy theory without an ounce of substance.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #16)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:06 PM

19. Kinda like rejecting the TPP with zero knowledge of what's inside.

 

That kind of conspiracy theory? Yeah, that about sums it up.

The only difference: it's a theory that finds your predetermined mindset.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #19)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:19 PM

23. we have some knowledge. wish we had more, but yes the three leaked draft chapters, analysis

 

of the chapters by experts, additional leaked materials such as the list of entities that were given access and input into it, and quite a bit more. It's the rackets bullshit to claim the drafts are meaningless. These aren't rough drafts. They are the result of 17 to 20 negotiating rounds.

The misinformation you post on this is shameful.

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Response to cali (Reply #23)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:40 PM

40. We can't even say for certain what stage these three chapters are in.

 

I don't know why anyone would even try, knowing that the full release to the public will happen the instant that Fast Track is approved. And, if Fast Track is voted down, it's irrelevant what's inside.

The misinformation you post on this is shameful.
Took the words right out of my mouth.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #19)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:26 PM

25. When the theory become fact, is it too late?

And where is your attack on the theory of blind trust

Play both sides evenly.

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Response to aspirant (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:41 PM

43. NO! There's a public comment period and a full vote of Congress.

 

Damn -- you'd think that Obama was doing this by executive action.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #43)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 06:12 PM

77. After fast track is passed with no amendments and filibusters,

did you forget to mention that.

What about the blind faith theories,are those believable?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #19)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:30 PM

26. Here's some knowledge of what's inside.

A Trade Rule that Makes It Illegal to Favor Local Business? Newest Leak Shows TPP Would Do That and More
4/20/15
http://billmoyers.com/2015/04/20/trade-rule-makes-illegal-favor-local-business-newest-leak-shows-tpp/

I have about 30 other articles bookmarked as well, in case you actually want to learn about it. Its better than projecting your lack of knowledge onto others. I'd be happy to share the linls!

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:13 PM

22. That seems like a reach

The President thinks too well of himself to enlist anyone to oppose one of his ideas.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:31 PM

27. Wondered the same thing.

As President Obama once said, make him do it.

Three-level chess game?

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Response to Sienna86 (Reply #27)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:41 PM

28. hey, are the other 150+ congressional dems in on this too?

 

How about all the labor unions? The Sierra Club? City councils and state democratic parties?

Sorry, but you have to be woefully misinformed and have no knowledge of the history of democratic opposition to ftas to believe this is possible.

Do you actually believe it's possible that Warren is aligned with Wall Street and big banks, entities that she has been battling for years?

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Response to Sienna86 (Reply #27)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:44 PM

47. Nothing surprises me anymore.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:42 PM

29. The GOP is not reserving judgment, they like it just fine.

 

Especially since their masters wrote the thing. Your post is nonsensical.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #29)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:44 PM

31. breathtakingly so.

 

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #29)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:44 PM

46. "...their masters..."

 

Who the hell are their "masters"? The Obama administration?

I can't wait to hear this answer.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #46)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:46 PM

50. that should be obvious: Corporations

 

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Response to cali (Reply #50)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:54 PM

52. Ah. Please provide a list of the corporations that wrote this agreement.

 

This is getting better and better -- and you said I should be ashamed of spreading misinformation.

You'd better document the hell out of this cali; you've made some pretty shitty insinuations about me. I will give you no quarter.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #52)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:10 PM

60. what does your demand have to do with republicans being owned by corporations

 

Not how I'd put it. I think it's more accurate to say that republicans heavily support corporations.

I have never claimed corporations wrote the tpp. I have said that hundreds had access and input. I and others have posted that list several times. I believe someone posted it today.

Look, your desperation appears to be getting the best of you. Now you're stooping to putting words in my mouth- making stuff up out of whole cloth. You posted some out there speculation. What did you expect would be the reaction from most folks?

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Response to cali (Reply #60)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:11 PM

61. Thank you! This was what I was waiting for.

 

I knew if I pushed you hard enough for justification of you ca-ca, you'd collapse.

Right on cue.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #61)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:15 PM

65. collapse? you've lost it.

 

in flaming color, in full sight. Now I'm feeling sorry for you. You're just flailing about and being wildly mendacious.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #52)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:16 PM

66. Your aim is poor, not unexpectedly.

 

I'm the one who said corporations wrote it.

No quarter!

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #66)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:23 PM

68. slow motion train wreck. he knows I didn't claim any such thing.

 

It's not poor aim. That was deliberate.

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Response to cali (Reply #68)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:26 PM

69. Yes, you seem to be his bete noire,

 

no matter what you, or anyone else, says.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #29)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:02 PM

57. Yep. That is enough to me

 

to know that it is going to be the American economy for everyone but the ultra-rich to be in the shithole it leaves behind.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:46 PM

32. Interesting idea

Was she also doing his bidding when she effectively blocked Antonio Weiss? How about the pushback on the private equity friendly regulator at the SEC? I guess everytime she's mentioned the complete dereliction of duty by the administration when it comes to investigating and prosecuting finance-related crimes, she's really doing the bidding of the head of that administration.

Tip: say this stuff out loud before posting it. It's amazing how that little step will stop one from saying or posting some of the dumbest stuff imaginable.

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Response to MFrohike (Reply #32)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:55 PM

35. + 10000 This ^

Like stretching polyester pants to fit.

Thanks for the reasonable analogy of this op.

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Response to MFrohike (Reply #32)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:56 PM

36. very good counterpoints.

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Response to MFrohike (Reply #32)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:45 PM

48. mkay

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #48)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:55 PM

54. Sorry

Didn't mean to rain on convoluted 11th dimensional chess strategizing with facts. I'll try not to do that in the future.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:52 PM

34. Is that the 100th level chess he's playing again?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:40 PM

41. No. That's gibberish nonsense.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #41)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:42 PM

44. It belongs in creative speculation

 

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Response to cali (Reply #44)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:18 PM

67. +1 for creative speculation. nt

 

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #41)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:46 PM

49. Gibberish? Were you unable to comprehend my sentences?

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:47 PM

51. Not a...

... chance in hell. She will continue to oppose it because it is an odious agreement and she is actually working FOR the 99% unlike most of our government.

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Response to sendero (Reply #51)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:55 PM

53. Really? She has provided nothing of substance to oppose other than the secrecy.

 

And that secrecy disappears as soon as the Fast Track is approved.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #53)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:59 PM

56. if it is approved.

 

And she can't speak of classified content. You know that full well.

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Response to cali (Reply #56)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:09 PM

59. Damned convenient, that. Don't you think?

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #53)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:13 PM

64. Fail. You're really showing a lack of knowledge here.

But making Scott Alvarez a household name is child's play compared to Warren's latest fight: whipping up outrage over the Investor-State Dispute Settlement provisions in the Trans-Pacific Partnership deal.

In a Washington Post op-ed today, Warren writes, "ISDS would allow foreign companies to challenge U.S. laws — and potentially to pick up huge payouts from taxpayers — without ever stepping foot in a U.S. court."

Here’s how it would work. Imagine that the United States bans a toxic chemical that is often added to gasoline because of its health and environmental consequences. If a foreign company that makes the toxic chemical opposes the law, it would normally have to challenge it in a U.S. court. But with ISDS, the company could skip the U.S. courts and go before an international panel of arbitrators. If the company won, the ruling couldn’t be challenged in U.S. courts, and the arbitration panel could require American taxpayers to cough up millions — and even billions — of dollars in damages.

Warren goes on to argue that the rules of that arbitration end up favoring corporations both in the complaints that get hard and the decisions that get rendered. Interestingly, this isn't just a liberal crusade: the libertarian think tank Cato has a lengthy brief slamming the ISDS as "an unnecessary, unreasonable, and unwise provision to include in trade agreements" that, among other sins, "is not even essential to the task of freeing trade."

This puts Warren on a direct collision course with the Obama administration: passing the TPP deal is one of their top priorities this year.

So can Warren get people to care about ISDS? Maybe! As my colleague Matt Yglesias wrote in his newsletter last night, Warren "has a unique knack among today's elected officials for seizing on things that are languishing in obscurity and making them blow up. The greatest trick the special interests ever played was getting the world to stop paying attention. Warren makes people pay attention."

http://www.vox.com/2015/2/26/8114291/elizabeth-warren-tpp





A staunch supporter of fair trade, Sen. Warren has been extremely vocal in her fight against “free trade” agreements. She’s rallied against the Korean – U.S. “free trade” agreement (KOR-US) a number of times, and has recently been heard speaking out against the highly secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), calling for greater transparency during negotiations. In fact, she has even sent a letter to President Barack Obama’s nominee to head U.S. trade negotiations that detailed her concerns about President Obama’s lack of transparency in the TPP negotiations.

In regards to manufacturing and outsourcing, Sen. Warren believes we need to shift the focus from imports and instead focus on manufacturing American-made products. She believes we must go back to our roots, back to what made America great. That means innovation is key so we can invent and create new products to sell to the rest of the world and aid our ailing economy.

Because she is also a supporter of fair trade, Sen. Warren believes that, to maintain a successful economy, the U.S. must strengthen its trade laws with our trading partners and demand those same trading partners respect workers’ rights and environmental standards.

http://economyincrisis.org/content/elizabeth-warren-and-hillary-clinton




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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #53)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:31 PM

71. It's hard to debate ...

.. on the substance when the substance is largely secret.

Wait and see.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:29 PM

70. And the republicans are doing his bidding by pretending to love it, so that Dems will hate it?

 

Brilliant!

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:32 PM

72. I do believe the TPP is not nearly as bad as EW describes it, but I think she's

criticizing it to gain support by bashing the Prez and stuff that most people couldn't understand if they were sent a copy in the US Mail with big fonts.

Sorry I trust Obama in negotiating the TPP. From what I've seen it's an improvement over past trade agreements and will establish a formal alliance with countries that are important to our and the world's future.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #72)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:38 PM

73. we already have formal alliances with those nations

 

I think this is largely about national security and China for the President. I do not ascribe any nefarious motives to him. I don't know how bad it will be should it be enacted.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:48 PM

74. The GOP is not blocking this agreement.

They never have. They have always supported these trade agreements and they have said they support this one.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/27/republicans-open-to-giving-obama-fast-track-trade-authority

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Response to former9thward (Reply #74)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 06:02 PM

76. Since Shrub, Bipartisanship screws the rest of us, on almost every subject .

 

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