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I will not sit down and I will not shut up.
I have nieces and nephews also four great niece and nephews. I will do anything to make this a better place for them. The two of them are incredibly strong, talented and beautiful women. I would die for them if need be. Actually, when the eldest was two, she fell to the concrete floor, following my sister up from the laundry room. She had her doll in her arms, her name was" super baby". When I saw her with her leg strapped to a board, intravenous lines attached, unresponsive and bruised, I prayed. Yes, it is not something I do anymore, yet that day I did. I was twenty six. I prayed I go in her place, she was only two and I had already had twenty six years. She survived.
There is so much talk here that we need to focus on economic justice and push social justice behind us for now. I have been told this! I say to hell with that 'cause one without the other is meaningless. This cannot be trickle down for for social justice. Trickle down has never worked. You know that! Stop pushing it.
I will vote in every damn election, for my candidate or not if they lose. I will always vote for the Democratic candidate. Always. Never a write in.
Some believe I am a stupid Bogger, the most loathed group at DU, that is okay. I know I am not. Hell yes, I am going to enjoy the time remaining. He and his family have brought dignity and grace to our White House.
There have been times in my life where I learned your life can change on a dime. So, you know, I cannot and will not live my short life on earth in misery and despair. I have known it, not going to dwell in a dark place.
Yes, silly me. I have hope.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)I am so loving you Hoyt!
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Barack Obama.
The BOG.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1102
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)I think maybe the only thing that would make him less attractive and intelligent in my eyes would be if he had an affair. That would sadden me. I'd be more disappointed than Michelle and his girls.
Other than that, I always have hope that when he's perceived to be wrong, the perceivers are wrong and he is right.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Luv ya!
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)You are one of them, arguing against a massive and flimsy straw man.
You try to use the phrase "trickle down" to tie Bernie Sanders, the most Progressive (on Social AND Economic issues) that I have seen in recent years, to a Reaganesque economic policy.
I'm sorry, but it is insane and dishonest.
The false narrative that there is a rift between the advocacy for social issues and economic issues is becoming increasingly hallucinatory and feverish.
In reality, a true Progressive is one who fights for both equally and gains in one, without the other, are not what any Progressive would be satisfied with.
We have one declared candidate with a strong history of advocacy. Why anyone is trying to tie him to "trickle down" economics is nearly unfathomable. It is very disappointing and I hope that it is as transparently untrue to everyone as it is to me.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)You are one of them, arguing against a massive and flimsy straw man.
You try to use the phrase "trickle down" to tie Bernie Sanders, the most Progressive (on Social AND Economic issues) that I have seen in recent years, to a Reaganesque economic policy.
I'm sorry, but it is insane and dishonest.
The false narrative that there is a rift between the
I am not trying to tie Bernie to anything. Wake up. There are people on this board that are saying finacial justice comes first. Do not twist my words.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)I know freshwest.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)that financial justice comes first, at expense of social justice?
Do you have at least one example of this?
You could be right, but I just haven't seen it, not like you're
characterizing it.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)As far as I can tell, it's a claim made in attempt to freeze people who are critical of Third Way economic policies; because the Third Way is mainstream on social issues, somehow that excuses their being fringe-right wackos on economic issues.
And Goddess forbid that anyone request an example, the response is just huffing outrage - never a relevant link.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"If your don't understand that income inequality is THE problem; then YOU are the problem."
Did you not?
(Now ... since I know you to deny what still remains; I can't imagine you admitting to what you deleted)
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)along the lines of something I would post as sarcasm, but the subject of the sarcasm would have been different. As to the other thing... are you referring to my famous chicken and watermelon joke post that you are never able to produce?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Unlikely that you posted it? ... Unlikely that you self-deleted it? ... Unlikely that you posted it but did mean it to be taken seriously? ... Unlikely that you would deny having posted it? ...
What?
Just stop.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Yow.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i am that confident, lol. even in third way voice.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Thanks.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Fabulous.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)is the opposite of integrity.
It is the mark of a low person.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)was the top of a big thread have this very conversation. a little after clinton declared
bring it to me, manny... would take you seconds
your post was one of the first in that thread
show us you can stand with what you post
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Nothing.
I await your apology.
There's only one part of the Democratic coalition that argues for sacrificing other parts-- and it's the centrists you adore. They adopt liberal positions on social issues while sticking it to labor, and you cheer for it. Then you've got the gall to say it's liberals who are divisive.
It's gross.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)how productive is this?
Marr
(20,317 posts)insulting accusations that you can't back up with a simple link to the comment you claim another poster made.
How respectable is that?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)what i believe.
and yet... i see you did not own yours... a post of insults that adds nothing to this conversation.
Marr
(20,317 posts)...and don't have the decency to withdraw it. That's not 'integrity', it's a willingness to lie and insult.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)integrity.
and ya. i can stand by my words i post. bring me something i said or believe, and i will own them
Marr
(20,317 posts)Go to google.com and type:
site:democraticunderground.com , followed by the search terms as you would use them on this site. That will search DU for the comment you insist the other poster made.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)what he thinks about us.
not a tough one.
sometimes, we just gotta laugh at those that demand we take them seriously.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Actually, he may be #2 on my ignore list.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)or... you just prove the point of the OP with this comment
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)The issues are not mutually exclusive and while I don't spend 24/7 on DU, I'm not seeing anyone pushing that they are.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)No, it is not in seabeyonds world, it is a fucking fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You keep attacking sea, why is that? You did it in my other post. Why?
This the net, so who knows. You say you are a woman. Yet you attack them. You criticized her for not using caps! Are you fucking kidding me? Dear goddess, that is all you have?
Wait what, you take offense being called a woman. Yikes.
Ya really have to read the whole subthread people....Lol~
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026639070#post84
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Otherwise "it is a fucking fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" in your own mind. Sea's World. "whatever, woman."
Tomorrow's a work day and I'm not going to be able to stay up much later enjoying the tag-teaming She/Sea Show. Alas.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)As we all knew. Well, all but for your fan club.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)l have plenty. Actually go ask your buddies. You are You are in a fog....!~
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i was told, out of blue, you just like..... called me out and called me names.
now you are all over the place, in my face, like we are best buds....
wtf
you are starting to sound familiar. over the decade... the people that come and go, and, come back again.
i know regardless of what this is about, you are not much of a challenge, though. so, two days in. meh. your name will just be another i am aware, it is nothing but a fuckin' game.
there are a lot of people on du to have actual, interesting, stimulating and informative conversations with.
that takes a lot of my time.
i am not messin' with the drama. so.... spread my name across du in ridicule, scorn and mockery...
how seriously am i gonna take you?
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Response to: SMC22307 (Reply #11)
lol~ i am not using caps , 'cause i don't feel like it.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Pick a story and stick to it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)there has been since at least Bill Clinton, when the DLC consciously threw economic issues under the bus.
Some people just want to keep it that way. Their message seems to be "hurrah for social issues, and fuck economic issues".
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Rich white people of both genders may find it expedient to maintain there self-identity as liberals by talking about social issues while wanting the economic status quo to stay right where it is.
But I don't see how anyone can deny the link between social and economic issues.
Look at abortion for example.
Rich women have always and will always be able to get aboortions. #economicjusticeissocialjustice
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)the biggest group is probably the 80-98th percentile.
In fact, with occupy, they have pretty much even co-opted economic issues. Because for every dollar that goes to "the 99%" it seems like 50 cents goes to the 80-98th percentile, 30 cents goes to the next 20%, leaving only 20 cents for the bottom 60%.
My own name for that is "trickle down lite".
And I would look at abortion. Does keeping abortion legal do anything to reduce income inequality? And the same politicians who declare themselves to be "progressives" or "liberals" because of their stance on abortion, are the same ones who engage in the trickle down lite economic policy.
Take Andrew Cuomo (please). Here he is touting abortion in his state of the state http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Andrew_Cuomo_Abortion.htm
(Okay, on closer reading that link seems to be for an anti-choice group, but it was about the only thing google gave me for Andrew Cuomo on abortion (it gave me a bunch of links for his dad))
and here's Cuomo making sure rich people get a tax break http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/154
Seems to me that he uses abortion the same way Republican politicians do - to mollify and distract his base, while taking care of the donor class.
Marr
(20,317 posts)...you hate gays, women, and minorities'.
The pretzel logic has become 4-dimensional pretzel logic.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Like this person-- maybe you're familiar with them:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6603263
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)every line of your post.
SheShe has not said one negative thing about Bernie (that I have seen) ... nor has she tied the trickle down social rights to Bernie. She has, however, tied trickle down social justice to du "progressives" ... and rightfully so
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Thank you 1StrongBlack Man!
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)It is necessary to claim that high ground, because on economic issues Bernie wins going away.
What's silly is the implication that Bernie somehow lags behind Hillary on social issues. He's just as rock solid, or more so.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Forgetting about the fact that he is not even a millionaire and that Hillary Clinton is probably worth 100 times more than he is (conservative estimate).
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)joshcryer
(62,266 posts)Almost everyone in Russia owns their own home and people get retirement at 50 something. Great stuff, right?
For me social issues are more important than economic issues, because social issues, at their very heart, are economic issues. But then we'd just get into a debate about which is which. Is Hobby Lobby ruling a social issue or economic issue? I think it's social but has economic consequences. Is Citizens United social or economic? I'd say social since it challenges the political fabric and it has wide ranging economic influences because it reenforces the status quo.
I'd rather have, as Sanders envisions, social democracy, where, yes, there is high tax and all that, most of the governmental emphasis is on social safety nets. The number of people needed to tax the rich by the government is trivial compared to the number of government workers needed to redistribute wealth to the people and provide safety nets. Absolutely trivial.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Think well on that, Josh.
joshcryer
(62,266 posts)I say it is completely and utterly social, because at its heart, in Roe v. Wade, non-access challenges the right to privacy, which is a constitutional right (14th Amendment).
We can play the game all we want, but I'd argue that if you approach it from the other direction, it's easily shown that even economically populist states have highly regressive social policy. The case exists here for abortion in Latin American states which are populist, which is highly illegal.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Even in states with regressive social policies, the rich have access to abortions and it is not I who started the game nor do I think the two CAN be delinked.
joshcryer
(62,266 posts)Which is why we need the social rules to be in place to protect the non-rich. If the Koch's had a 50% tax rate they'd still be lobbying against choice and LGBT rights (there was a thing where the Koch's tried to rebrand themselves as socially liberal but that is false on its face). There would still be campaigns and politicians fighting against it.
You're not going to tax the right wing and suddenly be bequeathed social rights.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Particularly when this claim of two separate goals is used to attack Senator Sanders.
I really don't have anything to add to that.
joshcryer
(62,266 posts)Since Sanders does not believe in "trickle down for social justice."
I think it was designed to trigger people who believe some variant of that as a potentiality. As is so often the case with OPs.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)It is about our right as women to own our bodies. We have the right to decide. No man belongs in our doctors office. Only a husband or father of the child belong there. Not the fucking GOP!
We have rights, they do not. That is social rights!
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Third way is Republican.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I don't get why people are making an argument about this. We are all for both.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Put the nasties on ignore and hang with us.
FSogol
(45,448 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)we stand together, we stand strong and we prove it out.
i will not go to the back of the bus. for nobody. no how.
and damn straight it is for my kids. i said this to my husband a decade and half ago, why i speak out. and i say it now. nothing about that has changed
no, never sit down and as sure hell never shut up. no back of the bus for us women.
never. the children are our future and they will lead the way. you, from what you have said have raised beautiful enlightened caring sons. yes they are our future.
yes, yes, yes. we all stand together, or we don't stand at all.
i love you woman.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Oh? We weren't playing DU Tourettes?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Hekate
(90,556 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Sometimes I think it is easier for people to to discuss economic Justice without the understanding that these things go hand in hand. I see it all over the vast internet.
You can't have one without the other. and you certainly cannot have economic justice hoping that it will trickle down and create social justice. If that were the case, Lilly Ledbetter would never had needed a law named after her. We wouldn't have needed social security or medicaid
That took legislation to push things forward. and we have a long long way to go.
Excellent post. I really liked how you brought the dreaded trickle down into the equation. I had never looked at/thought about it like that.
Number23
(24,544 posts)down justice" and it is perfect to describe these people who post OP after OP and thread after thread about how economic justice is more important than social justice which the people who always support this really ignorant line of thinking never, ever, EVER seem to be able to find and must promptly demand links to at every given opportunity.
Gothmog
(144,920 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)You seem to have 3 different complaints in your OP. But where are the perpetrators of the deeds that caused you to make your impassioned post?
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Get back to me when you are done.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)She works. Do your own research.
Cha
(296,848 posts)You know I always say.. Consider the source of those who have whined about the Barack Obama Group for however long it's been in existence. Now some of them are in the Bernie group blocking posters. See how that works. Who cares what hypocrites have to say about Anything?
Two years ago on this date~
On This Day: President Obama visits with pre-kindergarden students at Moravia Park Elementary School, May 17, 2013
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/05/17/the-week-ahead-27/
So much "grace and dignity"..
freshwest
(53,661 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)You can see the joy.
~TOD has the best collection!
Cha
(296,848 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)BTW, thanks for the wake up link, Lol~
I hadn't even had my first cup of coffee!
Love ya Cha!
Cha
(296,848 posts)You're welcome.. when I sent it I had just written my post.. had no idea what would ensue.
getting back to it now..
cali
(114,904 posts)justice are two sides of the very same coin. They are inextricably bound. To ignore one is to ignore both.
And on one thing we agree: President Obama and Michelle and the girls have been wonderful to have in the White House. They've set a fantastic example as a family.
I don't think anyone has suggested you shut up. I don't really get the persecution thing. I get excoriated here all the time. That's fine. I don't feel persecuted. Expressing one's opinion doesn't automatically come with nothing but praise.
So yeah, fight for what you believe.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)do you have such a hard time with something so simple
strong black mans daughter lives in upscale neighborhood, father makes more than enough, can look out the window at the country club.
his daughter cannot go to a bday party at the country club with her classroom peers.
why?
they poor white kids can go. but the uppermiddle income black girl is EXCLUDED from a bday party that all her classmate peers can attend.
has economic. social left her DOWN.....
see. simple.
why cant you understand?
chris rock. economic security. pulled over a zillion times, escalating his chance of being shot dead for being black.
see? economic, no social
get it yet?
so simple
yet, if one chooses not to see, regardless of the simplicity, they will not
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)the economic feudalist are also racist?
If that is as tough as it get then she will be more than fine but no matter what she will have a safe home, access to activities and experiences, no worries about hearing "I'd love to see you do but there is no way we can afford that", she will not be hungry, she won't face daily ridicule about her shoes and clothes, she will never know the embarrassment of being sent to the store with food stamps with a class mate behind her in line, her after school and summer job money won't go to make bills, she will feel no pressure to fly the coop so there is on less mouth to feed, she won't start college without books praying everyday that the financial aid disperment will come before she gets too far behind, she won't have to go without food, and I doubt that she will ever be homeless and she will be set up to succeed.
Plus, that isn't relieved by social justice achievable through the political process but rather a hearts and mind issue. What are you going to do, set up a birthday party quota system?
Maybe the little girl just doesn't like her because she doesn't like her and that is why she wasn't invited and even if they are the bigot family there will be more evolved rich girl parties to attend.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)Some complaints seem mostly an issue of failure to get the full benefit of class privilege, I'd love for such a thing to be my daughter's biggest cross to bear because she will have to deal with the same shit plausibly with an added side of shit from a few black folks too without the benefits that come from overlooking the golf course in a posh upscale neighborhood.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)We didn't put out open invitations to our kids' birthday parties, and I don't know of anyone who ever suffered for such. I would personally prefer that my kids have food, clothes, and housing security a lot more than invitations to birthday parties.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)this is about discrimination, but make it petty. there are some that does petty really well.
what is it? are you pissed that a black is ONLY discriminated against, and not poor, also?
i am not surprised.
i am not even a little surprised.
and this says it all, and who it is that sides with economics justice and exactly how there is that lack of concern or need for social justice among your group. just says everything about you.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Last edited Tue May 19, 2015, 01:14 AM - Edit history (1)
to recognize the discrimination toward him and his daughter.
two cheerleaders for economics.
how dare a black family complain that their daughter excluded and discriminated against.
the audacity of the family.
tell me, how the populist group "welcomes" social justice. my fuckin' ass
MineralMan
(146,255 posts)Thanks for your post.
CanonRay
(14,084 posts)I have a very cynical nature and am prone to be negative, and I am constantly trying to overcome that. You have done so.
mcar
(42,278 posts)Keep up the fight
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Ironic that your opening line was "I will not sit down and I will not shut up." Apparently you think that anyone who sees things differently than you should.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)meh...
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Good to see you too. What does "meh" mean?
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Meh
Indifference; to be used when one simply does not care.
A: What do you want for dinner?
B: Meh.
Seriously?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)No.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)See this Op~
We are proud and strong and fearless.
We have been humiliated and hurt, sometimes grievously. We have been beaten both physically and verbally. Our rights over our bodies are being taken away from us. We have been told our voice does not matter, that our voice is shrill and hurts some sensitive ears. Aaaah, such sensitive ears, so sorry that the truth hurts.
Yet in the end, we rise. We will not be beaten. We are gaining strength and our fathers our brothers our sons and our friends have our backs. The color of ones skin does not matter here, it is for every woman that we stand for. We have each others backs.
What matters is that we all stand together, we all rise together. If one group is denied equality then every single one of us will lose our integrity and our humanity.
Let's Break that Chain! All of us it is time to stand up and be heard. We have your back and you have ours!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024805722
I am talking about women and equality, we will not be silent on the social issues. I don't get why that is so hard to understand. It is why I mentioned my two nieces, I would die for them if I had to. As it stands I want a better life for them. A place where a woman has equal rights to men.
and no, I never said this, NaturalHigh.
From some of the responses here, I see people putting words that I never said in my mouth.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I've read your OPs before.
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)not even a little bit and we aren't going to be silent for any more of the Reagan Revoltion even if it's new happy warriors even if they are for equality.
We are glad they are part of the human race rather than vile dumpster juice but marks the beginning of the conversation not it's end. An absolutely fundemental prerequisite but not within eyeshot of enough with a space based telescope.
We are all people is beyond question but no everything else certainly is not just optional to me because you leave a hell of a lot of room for a great many indignities, oppression, and depravity.
No you sing loud and proud, just don't think you have to shout down, ignore, or even fight other very serious issues to do so.
I also don't get this momma bear and queen of the mountain presumption that folks concerned about economics, foreign policy, the security state, corporate capture of government, and so are somehow opposing, disinterested, or deny that we might be ahead of the curve on equality issues as well. Pretty hard to deny that no small segment of the "reality based", "pragmatic", "sensible centrist" types can be late to the party on that piece of the puzzle too no matter how fiercely they lead from behind once the heavy lifting is done and develop amnesia regarding their poo poohing and phony shrewd machinations to appease the right wing from calling them bad names and being mean old meanies.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Without one the other does not matter.
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,337 posts)6-1 to leave the post.
Somebody wanted you silenced.
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)They ought to be ashamed of the dark age, Inquisition style tactics.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)But what I want to say is great op. So much common sense that has come to you by way of personal experiences. Keep moving forward.
madokie
(51,076 posts)100% of the way.
JustAnotherGen
(31,781 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It seems some (in this thread) live for misery and despair ... and actively work to have others join them.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Noticed that huh.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)My posts now tend to be about the beauty I find and capture in nature, in the photography forum we don't have to fight over what brand of camera we like or how to process our pictures, we share ideas and images with each other.
But I suspect you feel that I'm one of those who "live for misery and despair" since we differ sharply quite often.
http://election.democraticunderground.com/103642617
http://election.democraticunderground.com/103642316
http://election.democraticunderground.com/103642215
From where I sit the OP radiates misery and despair like a small sun sometimes, I suppose perspectives differ on that like anything else.
I did have a fairly recent OP about the difference between knowledge and understanding, using as an example something that almost everyone knows how to do but very few actually understand how they do it.
http://election.democraticunderground.com/10026658533
GoneOffShore
(17,337 posts)And your photos are excellent.
I have to start posting in the Photo Forum again.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Just my opinion, of course, after 10 years in.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Thanks.
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)as long as social justice gets some attention or at least a steady flow of lip service is none too soon and not nearly as strong as it should be because that belief system is broken, wrong-headed, failed, and is nothing but a wagon circling technique to protect the comfortable and wealthy above all else at the expense of the vast majority regardless of race, sex, orientation, or creed.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Well it can certainly change on a paycheck.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)What a sad, crazy world we are leaving them. But we still have time to right the ship. I have to believe that.
Time after time it has been shown the only obstacle to creating a better future for them is corporate money.
We have to do all we can to ensure a brighter future, not fund those creating the darkness.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And ya know what, that's not a bad idea.