Mon May 18, 2015, 04:47 AM

Segami (14,923 posts)

The Trojan Horse President

"....Or is he what many of us have feared he is for a while now: a Trojan Horse president, presented at the gates as a progressive gift? Once let in, however, an army of Third-Way "Democrats," multinational corporations, insurance companies, banks and Wall Street masters-of-the-universe were unleashed to wreak havoc, again...."

By William Rivers Pitt

I am not an economist, not even close, but Joseph Stiglitz is. Stiglitz is actually a Nobel Prize winning economist, former Chair of President Clinton's Council of Economic Advisers, and former chief economist for the World Bank. Joseph Stiglitz is positively terrified of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) deal being pushed rabidly by President Obama. Because he is, I am also frightened by what this "deal" portends.

Joseph Stiglitz

Fundamental to America's system of government is an impartial public judiciary, with legal standards built up over the decades, based on principles of transparency, precedent, and the opportunity to appeal unfavorable decisions. All of this is being set aside, as the new agreements call for private, non-transparent, and very expensive arbitration. Moreover, this arrangement is often rife with conflicts of interest; for example, arbitrators may be a "judge" in one case and an advocate in a related case.

If there ever was a one-sided dispute-resolution mechanism that violates basic principles, this is it. That is why I joined leading U.S. legal experts, including from Harvard, Yale, and Berkeley, in writing a letter to President Barack Obama explaining how damaging to our system of justice these agreements are.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-secret-corporate-takeover-hidden-in-the-tpp-2015-05-13?page=2

At the core of this Nobel Laureate's argument against the TPP deal is the simple fact that legal authority - basic, bedrock legal authority - would be transferred from the sovereign courts of the United States to multinational corporations if this "deal" comes to pass. Note well, also, this statement from Stiglitz: "Though corporations can bring suit, others cannot. If there is a violation of other commitments - on labor and environmental standards, for example - citizens, unions, and civil-society groups have no recourse."

That is utterly intolerable, and it's what the president wants.

~snip~

The funny part came when President Obama dismissed Sen. Warren as just another politician as a means of defusing her criticism. Richard Nixon said, "I am not a crook" while staring into a camera. He was in fact a crook, and President Obama is in fact a politician. A consummate one, if truth be told. Of course Sen. Warren is a politician, but she is endeavoring to do what the president is not: represent the people. The president, for his part, is actively representing the corporations that actually are allowed to read the details of this deal, while the rest of us are not.

~snip~

Stiglitz, Warren, Sanders ... and they are not alone. A very interesting left-right coalition is coalescing around opposition to this mysterious, dangerous, perilous trade deal. The real mystery, however, is why President Obama - in his final years in office - would staple himself to such a divisive and damaging initiative. He has the opportunity to focus on infrastructure repair, an example made vivid by the recent rail calamity in Philadelphia. He could lean into pushing the ACA in Red states that still resist it. Hell, he could go wild and push for what they've done with solar power in Germany, panels right down the sides of the highways, free and open space to do all that green stuff he's been yapping about while approving oil drilling in the Arctic and the Atlantic Ocean.

But no, it's this terrible thing he has chosen for his "legacy."

cont'

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30815-the-trojan-horse-president

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397 replies	Author	Time	Post
The Trojan Horse President (Original post)	Segami	May 2015	OP
Yes, we know.. President Obama is a "fucking pos used car salesman" and now	Cha	May 2015	#1
But, Stiglitz!	BeyondGeography	May 2015	#2
Krugman: Suspicious Nonsense on Trade Agreements	Wilms	May 2015	#5
Krugman was also a big cheer leader for NAFTA.	bvar22	May 2015	#185
Yes, "Stiglitz".. likes to throw around terms like "nasty" when talking about the President.. only	Cha	May 2015	#9
But, Penny Pritzker!	Octafish	May 2015	#86
Just one of the people he appointed	arikara	May 2015	#162
It is amazing. When money's involved, he goes Wall Street every time.	Octafish	May 2015	#212
It was just in finance	swilton	May 2015	#274
Interestingly, you didn't once address TPP.....	paleotn	May 2015	#3
Sure she did, by pointing out that Pitt believes Obama is a POS.	Hoyt	May 2015	#6
Hey Aloha, Hoyt.. I's a she.. :) It comes down to this..	Cha	May 2015	#16
I'll do my best to remember, tough these days.	Hoyt	May 2015	#17
that's okay.. a lot of peeps around here. And, yeah, it is kinda tough	Cha	May 2015	#23
Of course, he (Will Pitt) didn't call Obama a POS . . .	Damansarajaya	May 2015	#192
Actually, the author of the article in the OP DID call the President...	Spazito	May 2015	#204
I was referring to Will Pitt, the actual author of the piece.	Damansarajaya	May 2015	#247
It was Will Pitt calling the President...	Spazito	May 2015	#253
Mahalo, Spazito, for clueing the poster in.	Cha	May 2015	#301
Sure he did	Egnever	May 2015	#210
Will Pitt called Obama a POS?! Surely, he didn't.	Damansarajaya	May 2015	#248
Yes, Will Pitt's exact quote was...	SidDithers	May 2015	#263
Sorry, all I see is a self-deleted post. nt	Damansarajaya	May 2015	#272
Oh he said it alright. LOTS of us saw it. n/t	Adrahil	May 2015	#397
Isn't it the used car that is being so derogated there?	immoderate	May 2015	#283
Hahahahaha. Sorry, WP said exactly that, and his trenchant analysis got hundreds of replies.	Hekate	May 2015	#328
Exactly!	Andy823	May 2015	#157
What's the BS? Go ahead. We'll wait . . . nt	Damansarajaya	May 2015	#249
Who do you support?	treestar	May 2015	#35
Likely Warren, but I'd like to know too...	Agschmid	May 2015	#36
...^ that	840high	May 2015	#219
The TPP hasn't been finalized OR signed. Obama has been President for more than SIX years....	George II	May 2015	#262
+1,000	Maraya1969	May 2015	#287
you might want to notice	hfojvt	May 2015	#338
I put a +1,000 which means I liked what the person I was replying to said.	Maraya1969	May 2015	#373
Blind worshiping is an understatement.	BeanMusical	May 2015	#326
+1	Sobax	May 2015	#377
+1.	Hoyt	May 2015	#4
Republicans Love You	billhicks76	May 2015	#7
And Tbaggers agree with you.	Hoyt	May 2015	#8
Deflect Much?	billhicks76	May 2015	#14
The far left and the far right are closer than you think...	Agschmid	May 2015	#18
There Is No Equivalence	billhicks76	May 2015	#26
I'm not dismissing progressives...	Agschmid	May 2015	#28
Amen.	greatauntoftriplets	May 2015	#118
You're talking about extremists and the words 'left' 'right' do not apply to extremists. That word	sabrina 1	May 2015	#133
A brief aside: What does it mean that they meet? In what sort of model can it be seen...	xocet	May 2015	#198
The supposed "extreme" left, which is anyone left of Reagan,	Jamastiene	May 2015	#363
Thanks for your comments. I agree that there is no convergence of values for left and right.	xocet	May 2015	#374
+1 You nailed it.	Enthusiast	May 2015	#273
And the far right and the center are even closer.	raouldukelives	May 2015	#93
+1	Sobax	May 2015	#378
Few at DU are actually far left. And there is no reason to think of the political spectrum as a	merrily	May 2015	#106
I have met a few thoughtful Communists here, so farther left is represented a bit, however	Dragonfli	May 2015	#142
Few indeed.	merrily	May 2015	#143
What about the professional left?	Enthusiast	May 2015	#278
Even the left of the left of the Democratic Party is not that far left. Even the liberal r word	merrily	May 2015	#334
I know.....	Enthusiast	May 2015	#349
I think the vast majority of DUers do.	merrily	May 2015	#350
We're not wild eyed commies! Mostly.	Enthusiast	May 2015	#353
Delayed reaction: Isn't the "professional left" anyone who makes money by being left?	merrily	May 2015	#382
I believe the first time I heard the term professional left was when the President	Enthusiast	May 2015	#387
Well, they see any of us who are left of Reagan as the "far left" or	Jamastiene	May 2015	#364
I have no explanation.	merrily	May 2015	#366
And the far right of the Democratic Party is far closer to Republicans in general than the far left.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	May 2015	#110
It's a big ole' circle, I'll have to do an OP on this.	Agschmid	May 2015	#122
It really isn't.	ozone_man	May 2015	#151
It's nothing of the kind.	Enthusiast	May 2015	#279
Two people attend the same lecture. One claims the lecture was far too long. The claims it was	merrily	May 2015	#354
Well, that makes sense.	Jamastiene	May 2015	#365
What is good about the TPP? Why should we support it? That's all nearly every credible group, union	sabrina 1	May 2015	#132
I bookmarked this post when you wrote it.	woo me with science	May 2015	#392
Completely wrong.	Damansarajaya	May 2015	#193
That isn't the only political issue, is it?	Agschmid	May 2015	#213
No, there's also	Damansarajaya	May 2015	#252
On what issues are the far left and the far right the same?	progressoid	May 2015	#234
Horseshoe theory.	Agschmid	May 2015	#236
So now it's a horseshoe rather than a circle.	progressoid	May 2015	#261
And a THEORY anyway. And the horseshoe theory has nothing to do with	merrily	May 2015	#355
The Righties® always say that.	Enthusiast	May 2015	#277
Tbaggers are against TPP too, ya know .	Hoyt	May 2015	#22
BS	billhicks76	May 2015	#30
Democrats working with Tea Party to defeat trade deal.	Agschmid	May 2015	#33
No One Named	billhicks76	May 2015	#43
Okay another...	Agschmid	May 2015	#47
HaHa.. thanks for using the goog! "The Tea Party movement does not support the TPP."	Cha	May 2015	#128
Ok But Still No Reps Or Candidates Mentioned	billhicks76	May 2015	#164
How about Democrats working with Mitch McConnell to pass the TPP n/t	markpkessinger	May 2015	#228
+1	progressoid	May 2015	#275
It's not relevant.	Enthusiast	May 2015	#280
some are because some of their talk radio gods are	certainot	May 2015	#320
Most teabaggers eat food every day. Do YOU eat food every day?	merrily	May 2015	#357
Seeing the truth is not their Job, and beating up critics won't get Her	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#12
Yeah, "republicons love you" Hoyt for not thinking President Obama is a Trojan Horse.. see	Cha	May 2015	#21
I'm pretty sure Hoyt voted for Bush.	Agschmid	May 2015	#29
yeah, republicons just love him.. he's their guy. :P	Cha	May 2015	#39
I'm doing a cheer in my head...	Agschmid	May 2015	#41
I Said Nothing About Trojan Horses	billhicks76	May 2015	#34
Who do you blindly follow?	treestar	May 2015	#37
LOL	Cha	May 2015	#40
Wow...The Smug Anti-Warren Crowd Surfaces	billhicks76	May 2015	#46
I helped get Warren elected.	Agschmid	May 2015	#48
Treestar Made Fun Of Warren	billhicks76	May 2015	#57
Yeah you blindly follow anyone you support	treestar	May 2015	#65
+1!	sheshe2	May 2015	#134
BS	billhicks76	May 2015	#169
You would defend Bernie if he ate cats	treestar	May 2015	#356
Odd. That's not what he said at all.	cui bono	May 2015	#295
yeah it did	hfojvt	May 2015	#341
But it had nothing to do with the post they responded to and made no sense because of that.	cui bono	May 2015	#376
Disgusting you would support Bernie	treestar	May 2015	#358
Why should I make the posts you tell me to make?	cui bono	May 2015	#375
Every politician or for that matter even Britney Spears...	Agschmid	May 2015	#72
What is the origin of this incredibly idiotic theory that Obama is making policy	geek tragedy	May 2015	#100
Referring To Clintons	billhicks76	May 2015	#170
Yeah, seriously. I mean it couldn't possibly have anything to do with his pandering to banksters	cui bono	May 2015	#296
Is it okay to call this President a POS!? nt	sheshe2	May 2015	#237
All you have are insults. So you got nothin'	Cha	May 2015	#54
When I posted an article to discredit what they said...	Agschmid	May 2015	#123
Those Articles Were Weak	billhicks76	May 2015	#171
Took you long enough.	Agschmid	May 2015	#176
Really, broadbrush much?!	sheshe2	May 2015	#141
I Support Warren 100%	billhicks76	May 2015	#172
Me too.	Enthusiast	May 2015	#282
But isn't supporting a politician 100% actually being a "blind follower"? So confusing...	Hekate	May 2015	#336
It Blind When	billhicks76	May 2015	#344
Uh huh. She was a professor, iirc, then OBAMA tried to appoint her into his government...	Hekate	May 2015	#352
No it isn't the same.	merrily	May 2015	#359
+1	Agschmid	May 2015	#180
Thread win on post 1.	ucrdem	May 2015	#44
Hey you!	Cha	May 2015	#50
If I uttered one word of what I'm thinking	ucrdem	May 2015	#59
..	Cha	May 2015	#69
I agree ucrdem.	sheshe2	May 2015	#136
Sad isn't it?	ucrdem	May 2015	#207
second this thread win.	mopinko	May 2015	#61
Hey Mo~	Cha	May 2015	#64
hey honey	mopinko	May 2015	#74
Jury results on OP:	ucrdem	May 2015	#66
the "fucking pos used car salesman" didn't get a hide.. why would this? I wouldn't alert on	Cha	May 2015	#79
"Keep Obama's hands off my Obamacare." nt	geek tragedy	May 2015	#102
Excellent.	840high	May 2015	#220
You make me laugh, ucrdem :)	sheshe2	May 2015	#238
This message was self-deleted by its author	Scootaloo	May 2015	#80
Obviously, calling the President that during a time of pain	MannyGoldstein	May 2015	#81
It is evidence of personal hatred, which runs in each and every one of this	geek tragedy	May 2015	#95
You mean blaming the President for something that WASN'T his fault	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2015	#233
I think you just demonstrated my point. nt	MannyGoldstein	May 2015	#288
You know	madokie	May 2015	#85
Peace to you, madokie.	Cha	May 2015	#92
Spot on	madokie	May 2015	#101
I know..	Cha	May 2015	#105
+1	freshwest	May 2015	#384
Trojan horse president my aching ass	madokie	May 2015	#386
Drop the mic. Haters gonna hate.	geek tragedy	May 2015	#94
"Thanks Obama.. you trojan horse!" Rofl	Cha	May 2015	#103
"Obama ruined Obamacare!" nt	geek tragedy	May 2015	#104
The stupidest meme ever:	LWolf	May 2015	#126
Post removed	Post removed	May 2015	#114
Exactly!	Spazito	May 2015	#124
Mahalo Spazito~ And, just to say I think "brush" got a bad hide. Just need to put	Cha	May 2015	#127
Hey Cha!	Spazito	May 2015	#129
Me thinks, the author doesn't	sheshe2	May 2015	#135
I really thought "Trojan Horse"	SCantiGOP	May 2015	#138
Err...what?	Doctor_J	May 2015	#244
Trojan Horse	fadedrose	May 2015	#139
No worries, fadedrose.. I didn't even read it. Just got back online.. hours are so different out	Cha	May 2015	#311
1st reply FTW!	Cali_Democrat	May 2015	#140
This is a very old meme Cha.	NCTraveler	May 2015	#152
Thank you for that, NCT, and boy do I know that! You'd think some originality would be called for.	Cha	May 2015	#309
Whatever appeals to your target audience, like the ACA thread. Credibility = Zero. n/t	freshwest	May 2015	#385
+1	uponit7771	May 2015	#160
Cha	fadedrose	May 2015	#205
The post criticizes the President	sulphurdunn	May 2015	#208
The post trashes Obama's entire time in office because of supporting the TPP	davidpdx	May 2015	#342
Mahalo, david.	Cha	May 2015	#348
She shoots, she scores!	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2015	#232
Mahalo Dr Hobbitstein!	Cha	May 2015	#314
As usual Cha you make good points!	hrmjustin	May 2015	#245
Mahalo Justin.. means a lot, buddy!	Cha	May 2015	#315
You handled yourself here with grace and class as always.	hrmjustin	May 2015	#317
Sill you, this is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND, positive comments about the leader	randys1	May 2015	#254
Yeah, they wish, randy!	Cha	May 2015	#316
THANK YOU CHA! AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO ACTUALLY SUPPORTS THIS PARTY	Maraya1969	May 2015	#281
Well said, Maraya~ "..maybe they don't know whathehell they are talking about." I'm opting for	Cha	May 2015	#318
And Cha FOR THE WIN!	Number23	May 2015	#304
I know.. I usually trash 'em.. but "trojan horse".. lol give. me. a. freaking. CT. break.	Cha	May 2015	#319
But most of us do get it. 194 recs for this OP and counting.	totodeinhere	May 2015	#325
thank you for your post! I find it disturbing to see this description of our POTUS....	secondwind	May 2015	#340
You're Welcome, secondwind.. thank you!	Cha	May 2015	#346
Mitch McConnell Says Obama 'Has Done An Excellent Job' Pushing Trade Deal	Ichingcarpenter	May 2015	#10
No that's scarey, now when there's bipartisanship,	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#13
George Carlin	billhicks76	May 2015	#15
Special!	Enthusiast	May 2015	#285
of one thing I'm certain: This kind of article sure doesn't promote a discussion	cali	May 2015	#11
Yup.	Agschmid	May 2015	#19
True. I'm not sure, though, that anything on the TPP doesn't do the same	n2doc	May 2015	#20
A lot of people just post crap about TPP.	Agschmid	May 2015	#27
Just Like NAFTA	billhicks76	May 2015	#49
Well I for one don't.	Agschmid	May 2015	#52
Most of the people in Congress are Republicans, elected by pro-corporate, anti-labour folks.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	May 2015	#116
One of my congress people is Elizabeth Warren...	Agschmid	May 2015	#120
You're lucky. And she doesn't support it.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	May 2015	#125
Halfway is better than none.	Agschmid	May 2015	#370
Warren is leading the opposition to TPP. Fact check time, perhaps? nt	Romulox	May 2015	#144
Yes I am aware, it good thing too.	Agschmid	May 2015	#371
So did those of us who ended up stuck with Republicans.	Jamastiene	May 2015	#367
No I'm sure you did what you could...	Agschmid	May 2015	#372
that is true- and yes, it's on both sides	cali	May 2015	#58
This...	Agschmid	May 2015	#73
sure.	cali	May 2015	#91
i'm getting pretty tired of the blind outrage myself.	mopinko	May 2015	#60
Unfortunately that subset are becoming megalomaniacs that run everything,	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#31
Exactly, it's like my problems with Hillary have nothing to do with	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#24
I strongly disagree. I think it's an important article.	woo me with science	May 2015	#25
+1000 !!!!	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#32
I totally agree!	avebury	May 2015	#45
some of the points made are very important, it's how the argument is presented that	cali	May 2015	#70
You're right. It deflects responsibility away from others who helped draft the TPP. [n/t]	Maedhros	May 2015	#199
+ Eighty Gazillion	Scuba	May 2015	#87
That's for posting this	newfie11	May 2015	#111
This message was self-deleted by its author	Corruption Inc	May 2015	#161
+1000 - you said it! nt	pberq	May 2015	#187
+10	840high	May 2015	#222
Huge +1!	Enthusiast	May 2015	#286
Congratulations!	Thespian2	May 2015	#303
+1	leftstreet	May 2015	#305
Well Said! Spot On!	2banon	May 2015	#324
OK---so all that anti-Hillary shit you post is to create discussion?	trumad	May 2015	#42
Who Knows?	billhicks76	May 2015	#53
Oh I see,,,,	trumad	May 2015	#56
I'm Tired Of Trying To Convince People Hillary Is No Good Or Dishonest	billhicks76	May 2015	#62
Yawn	trumad	May 2015	#68
No, we need new leaders	dreamnightwind	May 2015	#75
So Do You	billhicks76	May 2015	#165
Bingo!	Scuba	May 2015	#88
Hillary is a candidate for the party's nomination . . .	markpkessinger	May 2015	#216
No---Cali has a problem with Pitt hence her snarky post.	trumad	May 2015	#218
Pot. Kettle. Black.	Codeine	May 2015	#89
There can be only one	tkmorris	May 2015	#215
No one ever went broke flogging RW media memes but don't they have to be fresh?	ucrdem	May 2015	#38
Stiglitz should again be Chair of the President's Council of Economic Advisers.	Faryn Balyncd	May 2015	#51
+1 a whole bunch!	Enthusiast	May 2015	#289
There was a genius to Obamas campaigning	Marrah_G	May 2015	#55
I wish I could say you are wrong.	99Forever	May 2015	#63
*	L0oniX	May 2015	#67
Everybody knows this but avoids it. Nice piece, Will. Better have your umbrella ready.	marble falls	May 2015	#71
Umbrellas are nice but I prefer people who will stand shoulder to shoulder with me. We can share, or	jtuck004	May 2015	#265
Obama did go through law school when arbitration rather that lawsuits was being promoted	HereSince1628	May 2015	#76
ah the latest from black-out dot com nt	arely staircase	May 2015	#77
You can't blame Obama for wanting $25 million speaking fees like Billary.	Hoppy	May 2015	#78
You have no effin' idea what the President is going to do when leaves he office.. but, that doesn't	Cha	May 2015	#84
Please favor the rest of us with your inside knowledge.	Hoppy	May 2015	#168
You're the one who fabricated the "Obama is a greedy monster who is seling America	geek tragedy	May 2015	#175
My source? The commie N.Y. Times.	Hoppy	May 2015	#179
No, those sources don't supporty your allegation that the President is a greedy moral monster	geek tragedy	May 2015	#184
Lets start of with that I voted for Dennis Kuchinich over Obama and Hillary in '08.	Hoppy	May 2015	#191
The same Kucinich who draws a paycheck from Fox News? nt	geek tragedy	May 2015	#194
I think you got Ole Hoppy with that one.	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#200
I will take Dennis's voting history over St. Hillary's any day.	Hoppy	May 2015	#322
Here ya go~	sheshe2	May 2015	#299
Shit, that ain't nothin'. While its a start, Billary started a foundation.	Hoppy	May 2015	#369
"Obama’s Retirement Plan: Help Black Kids" You don't have to have "inside knowledge".. just get	Cha	May 2015	#306
Here Cha~	sheshe2	May 2015	#298
Hey she.. thank you for the link.. I elaborated on it and sent it to the one who has "no idea.."	Cha	May 2015	#307
I posted about it as well, but came across n2docs first!	sheshe2	May 2015	#308
I dunno what he'll have to say about the reality.. seemed so invested in fantasy land.	Cha	May 2015	#310
Does Obamacare cover that?	sheshe2	May 2015	#312
Billary? Obama and Clinton haters on the left would be well-advised to avoid using rightwing	geek tragedy	May 2015	#97
Yes.	ismnotwasm	May 2015	#156
"Billary"? You sure you're in the "Democrat" Party? The slur "Billary" is straight from FR. nt	Hekate	May 2015	#335
It's also a very common and well-known way, in the real world, of referring to any famous	merrily	May 2015	#360
Oh bullfeathers	betsuni	May 2015	#82
I knew this in '08.	LWolf	May 2015	#83
Back in 2009 I had a post hidden when I wrote that Obama's abandoning even the public option ...	Scuba	May 2015	#90
Who is "we"--the fellow Obamasux knee-jerkers?	geek tragedy	May 2015	#96
Yes, pointing out bad policy makes one an "extremist."	Scuba	May 2015	#98
You rattled off a list of talking points that the President's haters on the left cling	geek tragedy	May 2015	#99
Those aren't ''Haters on the left talking points.''	Octafish	May 2015	#107
It's the Emperor's New Clothes syndrome	zeemike	May 2015	#121
Didn't we all...!	grahamhgreen	May 2015	#150
the point is not to convince, it's to delay until it's too late	MisterP	May 2015	#183
This who have the ball....	Segami	May 2015	#190
...	SidDithers	May 2015	#108
If Bernie Sanders becomes president, Sid,	Damansarajaya	May 2015	#197
Do I know you?...	SidDithers	May 2015	#221
He was confusing you with Skinner.	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2015	#229
LOL	grasswire	May 2015	#395
It was a yes or no question.	Damansarajaya	May 2015	#246
I don't think Democratic Presidents should be bashed at Democratic Underground...	SidDithers	May 2015	#251
Fair enough. I appreciate a consistent position. nt	Damansarajaya	May 2015	#276
I think Canadians should clean up their own backyards.	ibegurpard	May 2015	#331
...	SidDithers	May 2015	#337
EarlG smacked down a xenophobe on DU2. Because of a	freshwest	May 2015	#388
I remember it well...	SidDithers	May 2015	#393
I don't think he ever got the hang of DU3. He stayed there longer than most. But, there's been a	freshwest	May 2015	#394
Does this photograph jog your memory?	freshwest	May 2015	#381
Who 'owns' the Party?	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	May 2015	#109
Public option.	merrily	May 2015	#115
.	stonecutter357	May 2015	#146
you can thank Joe Lieberman et al for killing both that and the Medicare expansion nt	geek tragedy	May 2015	#177
Nope. But, I've had this discussion too many times before to have it again.	merrily	May 2015	#178
Yet you keep on trotting out the same false talking points.	geek tragedy	May 2015	#186
Odd comment to make to someone who just declined to discuss it, but whatever.	merrily	May 2015	#188
You can't kill that which was never born	tkmorris	May 2015	#231
So much for my ignore list. POS used car salesmen will slip through I guess.	tridim	May 2015	#112
Right?	ismnotwasm	May 2015	#154
You know what's more interesting?	LordGlenconner	May 2015	#243
Thanks for posting, Segami	Oilwellian	May 2015	#113
William Pitt has hit the nail on the head.	Koinos	May 2015	#117
beautifully said	grasswire	May 2015	#226
Good analogy	raindaddy	May 2015	#119
+1000 nt	Mojorabbit	May 2015	#396
I can't take this much stupid so early in the morning. Next he's the Manchurian Candidate. He's	Pisces	May 2015	#130
Some guy told me George Soros paid his tuition at the tony Hawaiian prep school he attended./NT	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#201
Ha!!	Pisces	May 2015	#206
+1	freshwest	May 2015	#389
Wondering	colsohlibgal	May 2015	#131
Loyalty is addictive.	Koinos	May 2015	#240
k&r	CharlotteVale	May 2015	#137
Racism in the Age of Obama	YoungDemCA	May 2015	#145
I lost a job over anti-Obama racism.	chervilant	May 2015	#330
.	stonecutter357	May 2015	#147
horse or a different animal similar to a horse, but smaller?	grahamhgreen	May 2015	#148
This is one of the main parts of this deal causes me to give a thumbs-down. >>	BlueJazz	May 2015	#149
He actually compares President Obama to Nixon?	ismnotwasm	May 2015	#153
Actually Nixon Couldn't have Gotten Away With	raindaddy	May 2015	#323
Total fucking bullshit!	Andy823	May 2015	#155
I think the guy that wrote this article	JustAnotherGen	May 2015	#158
Yes, I knew I'd seen this verbiage	one_voice	May 2015	#159
well, the author of this piece has received praise at Free Republic for his Obama-hating rants	geek tragedy	May 2015	#174
I must confess...	kentuck	May 2015	#163
Obama was never going to do everything DU wanted him to do.	geek tragedy	May 2015	#181
This message was self-deleted by its author	pocoloco	May 2015	#166
By WRP...	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2015	#167
Wait another 24 business hours nt	geek tragedy	May 2015	#173
It's happening!	Dr Hobbitstein	May 2015	#227
Like Reagan	HassleCat	May 2015	#182
Excellent article by WRP! K & R n/t	xocet	May 2015	#189
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	May 2015	#195
"Rabidly?" Really???	lexington filly	May 2015	#196
Well, this post sure has highlighted the intra-party hatred among the different	ChisolmTrailDem	May 2015	#202
Who are the DINOs and who are the Democrats?	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#209
Actually, now that I've re-read my post, I should not have included the term "DINOs".	ChisolmTrailDem	May 2015	#217
This message was self-deleted by its author	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#267
I live in one of the most Democratic areas in the nation	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#267
what percentage of them have no fucking clue what is going on?	Skittles	May 2015	#255
Because you are so much smarter and better informed than those who disagree with you? /NT	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#260
because I research political issues and most people do not?	Skittles	May 2015	#264
Is it possible that people can be informed and still disagree with you, me, or anybody?/NT	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#270
regarding TPP	Skittles	May 2015	#271
What makes you call it hatred? Just want to fan the flames? Maybe it is just people wanting what	jtuck004	May 2015	#266
Pitt is still pissed about that Tom Brady cheating thing, isn't he?	Blue_Tires	May 2015	#203
The real question is	Angry Dragon	May 2015	#211
As much as any other Democratic president./NT	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#214
I don't anymore.	840high	May 2015	#223
We shouldn't be placed in the position to have to trust any politician	raindaddy	May 2015	#302
Sadly, no I don't.	truebrit71	May 2015	#329
"Martha Coakley will win on Tuesday. Bank on it"..	SidDithers	May 2015	#224
Will not even read this. But thanks for the Big Lie title to warn off honest people.	True Blue Door	May 2015	#225
well I'm pretty sure if he'd campaigned on mandatory for profit health insurance, nafta on	Doctor_J	May 2015	#230
K & R	AzDar	May 2015	#235
Stiglitz understands all of this stuff chapter and verse.	hifiguy	May 2015	#239
Post removed	Post removed	May 2015	#241
K&R!	RandiFan1290	May 2015	#242
The TPP is far from the first agreement to invoke	Progressive dog	May 2015	#250
Utterly intolerable! Why do you hate us, Obama?	Enthusiast	May 2015	#256
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations!	Enthusiast	May 2015	#257
+1	Sobax	May 2015	#361
Another day, andother "Obama is a lousy president" post.	George II	May 2015	#258
Do you remember where you were the moment you realized you'd been sold a brand? n/t	jtuck004	May 2015	#259
I doubt TPP will be any different than the rest of Obama's economy...	GeorgeGist	May 2015	#269
Am blown away by the weak-kneed on this site and others...	Hulk	May 2015	#284
.	Egnever	May 2015	#300
I'm so proud of President Obama, Hulk.. thank you! But, the "trojan horse" people would rather	Cha	May 2015	#321
I'm surprised we haven't met before, Hulk. Nice meeting you...	Hekate	May 2015	#332
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^	sheshe2	May 2015	#333
In the annals of deranged Tea Party-flavored conspiracy theories, this takes the cake.	True Blue Door	May 2015	#290
Don't forget	Andy823	May 2015	#292
Makes sense. There's definitely an Alex Jones wing around here putting out this crap.	True Blue Door	May 2015	#293
Shit, I put that author on ignore so I wouldn't have to see that spittle-flecked rage any more.	Hekate	May 2015	#291
Gotcha!	Cha	May 2015	#313
Kick n/t	MuseRider	May 2015	#294
The point of Trojan Horses is to hide,	Progressive dog	May 2015	#297
The point of hide 'n seek is to hide. And find. And entertain kids. The Trojan horse symbolizes,	merrily	May 2015	#362
The Democratic party has supported free trade	Progressive dog	May 2015	#368
Again, my post spoke only to the full meaning of the metaphor in general.	merrily	May 2015	#379
Kick and R.	BeanMusical	May 2015	#327
Obama sings James Taylor's hits ... (caution: satire)	nikto	May 2015	#339
I was afraid that the complexity of the issues that bring the motives of President	JDPriestly	May 2015	#343
Why blame Obama for 30 years to trickle down economics? He didn't start the car.	Rex	May 2015	#345
Shame on William Pitt	davidpdx	May 2015	#347
..	RandySF	May 2015	#351
RandySF~	sheshe2	May 2015	#380
yep, there he is giving the finger to the %99	m-lekktor	May 2015	#383
Trashing yet another thread of racist-filled dribble.	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2015	#390
K&R	woo me with science	May 2015	#391

Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 05:13 AM

Cha (269,314 posts)

1. Yes, we know.. President Obama is a "fucking pos used car salesman" and now

he's a "Trojan horse". Never mind all the good he has done because that would mess with your agenda and that of those who rec this kind of shite.."If President Obama declared that all firstborns be put to the sword... "

Rolling Stone: Obama Is One Of The 'Most Successful Presidents In History' - Krugman Tells Why

"His health reform is imperfect but still a huge step forward – and it’s working better than anyone expected. Financial reform fell far short of what should have happened, but it’s much more effective than you’d think. Economic management has been half-crippled by Republican obstruction, but has nonetheless been much better than in other advanced countries. And environmental policy is starting to look like it could be a major legacy."

More important, however, polls – or even elections – are not the measure of a president. High office shouldn’t be about putting points on the electoral scoreboard, it should be about changing the country for the better. Has Obama done that? Do his achievements look likely to endure? The answer to both questions is yes."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/12/1336103/-Rolling-Stone-Calls-Obama-Most-Successful-President-In-History-Krugman-Reiterates-In-New-VIDEO

The Trojan Horse President

1. Yes, we know.. President Obama is a "fucking pos used car salesman" and now

2. But, Stiglitz!

5. Krugman: Suspicious Nonsense on Trade Agreements

185. Krugman was also a big cheer leader for NAFTA.

9. Yes, "Stiglitz".. likes to throw around terms like "nasty" when talking about the President.. only

86. But, Penny Pritzker!

162. Just one of the people he appointed

212. It is amazing. When money's involved, he goes Wall Street every time.

274. It was just in finance

3. Interestingly, you didn't once address TPP.....

6. Sure she did, by pointing out that Pitt believes Obama is a POS.

16. Hey Aloha, Hoyt.. I's a she.. :) It comes down to this..

17. I'll do my best to remember, tough these days.

23. that's okay.. a lot of peeps around here. And, yeah, it is kinda tough

192. Of course, he (Will Pitt) didn't call Obama a POS . . .

204. Actually, the author of the article in the OP DID call the President...

247. I was referring to Will Pitt, the actual author of the piece.

253. It was Will Pitt calling the President...

301. Mahalo, Spazito, for clueing the poster in.

210. Sure he did

248. Will Pitt called Obama a POS?! Surely, he didn't.

263. Yes, Will Pitt's exact quote was...

272. Sorry, all I see is a self-deleted post. nt

397. Oh he said it alright. LOTS of us saw it. n/t

283. Isn't it the used car that is being so derogated there?

328. Hahahahaha. Sorry, WP said exactly that, and his trenchant analysis got hundreds of replies.

157. Exactly!

249. What's the BS? Go ahead. We'll wait . . . nt

35. Who do you support?

36. Likely Warren, but I'd like to know too...

219. ...^ that

262. The TPP hasn't been finalized OR signed. Obama has been President for more than SIX years....

287. +1,000

338. you might want to notice

373. I put a +1,000 which means I liked what the person I was replying to said.

326. Blind worshiping is an understatement.

377. +1

4. +1.

7. Republicans Love You

8. And Tbaggers agree with you.

14. Deflect Much?

18. The far left and the far right are closer than you think...

26. There Is No Equivalence

28. I'm not dismissing progressives...

118. Amen.

133. You're talking about extremists and the words 'left' 'right' do not apply to extremists. That word

198. A brief aside: What does it mean that they meet? In what sort of model can it be seen...

363. The supposed "extreme" left, which is anyone left of Reagan,

374. Thanks for your comments. I agree that there is no convergence of values for left and right.

273. +1 You nailed it.

93. And the far right and the center are even closer.

378. +1

106. Few at DU are actually far left. And there is no reason to think of the political spectrum as a

142. I have met a few thoughtful Communists here, so farther left is represented a bit, however

143. Few indeed.

278. What about the professional left?

334. Even the left of the left of the Democratic Party is not that far left. Even the liberal r word

349. I know.....

350. I think the vast majority of DUers do.

353. We're not wild eyed commies! Mostly.

382. Delayed reaction: Isn't the "professional left" anyone who makes money by being left?

387. I believe the first time I heard the term professional left was when the President

364. Well, they see any of us who are left of Reagan as the "far left" or

366. I have no explanation.

110. And the far right of the Democratic Party is far closer to Republicans in general than the far left.

122. It's a big ole' circle, I'll have to do an OP on this.

151. It really isn't.

279. It's nothing of the kind.

354. Two people attend the same lecture. One claims the lecture was far too long. The claims it was

365. Well, that makes sense.

132. What is good about the TPP? Why should we support it? That's all nearly every credible group, union

392. I bookmarked this post when you wrote it.

193. Completely wrong.

213. That isn't the only political issue, is it?

252. No, there's also

234. On what issues are the far left and the far right the same?

236. Horseshoe theory.

261. So now it's a horseshoe rather than a circle.

355. And a THEORY anyway. And the horseshoe theory has nothing to do with