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sendero

(28,552 posts)
Fri May 22, 2015, 10:38 PM May 2015

The simple person's guide to the TPP

For 7 or so years, the Republicans in congress have voted against anything president Obama wanted to to. Didn't matter if the thing he wanted to do was not really different from the thing they wanted to do, they just made a point of voting against him.

Then along comes the TPP and fast track authority. Suddenly, they are fluffy bunnies. They want to vote WITH the president. Why is that?

It's simple.

It's because the TPP fits their overall agenda of enabling corporations at the expense of everyone else.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the TPP is not good for working Americans. Republicans love it enough to agree with president Obama, something they just do not like to do no matter what.

All those folks who have suddenly showed up here explaining that trade agreements are good for everyone are nothing but fucking liars and probably paid liars at that.

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The simple person's guide to the TPP (Original Post) sendero May 2015 OP
TPP is a Republican dream come true. n/t PowerToThePeople May 2015 #1
yes 840high May 2015 #3
and apparently it's Obama's dream come true also. That's the real kicker. Kablooie May 2015 #18
Exactly, that is a simpleton's guide. Similar logic, what does it tell you Tbaggers are against it Hoyt May 2015 #2
Dewey didn't get elected, Rolando May 2015 #4
Because Teabaggers are an extreme fringe of the Republican Party... bluesbassman May 2015 #7
Just pointing out your rhetoric trying to tie Obama's support of TPP to Republicans is similarly Hoyt May 2015 #12
Hi Hoyt. delrem May 2015 #16
Hardly, it's tiresome, as they say. Hoyt May 2015 #19
Sorry about that. delrem May 2015 #21
You've got it backwards. bluesbassman May 2015 #22
Teabaggers are more rabidly anti-Obama Flying Squirrel May 2015 #9
They are also bigots, Nationalists, xenophobes, and largely ignorant. eom Hoyt May 2015 #11
It's just astroturf from the American Enterprise Institute. delrem May 2015 #20
More Senate Democrats voted No today than voted Yes Jack Rabbit May 2015 #5
All the Republicans are for it, and it has NO natural constituency DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #6
....+ + 1 delrem May 2015 #17
This will be the big, bad bruise on Obama's legacy. SoapBox May 2015 #8
+1 BeanMusical May 2015 #14
And, I don't think it will. I trust the President.. don't care how many threaten his "legacy". Cha May 2015 #23
It was obvious to me from the beginning that when the only people who get Cleita May 2015 #10
"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the TPP is not good for working Americans." BeanMusical May 2015 #13
Apparently, it does. Hoyt May 2015 #15
Mahalo Hoyt for standing up to the OP who says anyone who doesn't think like him is a "fucking liar" Cha May 2015 #24
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Exactly, that is a simpleton's guide. Similar logic, what does it tell you Tbaggers are against it
Fri May 22, 2015, 10:47 PM
May 2015

too?

 

Rolando

(88 posts)
4. Dewey didn't get elected,
Sat May 23, 2015, 12:28 AM
May 2015

but I went on eating cornbread anyway, thanks to Truman and Eisenhower. At least, though, I was eating something.

bluesbassman

(19,465 posts)
7. Because Teabaggers are an extreme fringe of the Republican Party...
Sat May 23, 2015, 12:50 AM
May 2015

that hates President Obama wit a burning passion and would be against anything he is for.

Really, your rhetoric trying to tie Progressives and Liberals who oppose the TPP to Geabaggers is tiresome. Come up with some new material at least to shill for the TPP.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
12. Just pointing out your rhetoric trying to tie Obama's support of TPP to Republicans is similarly
Sat May 23, 2015, 01:11 AM
May 2015

tiresome.

You are playing the same old notes, as well.

bluesbassman

(19,465 posts)
22. You've got it backwards.
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:56 AM
May 2015

Republicans, who have consistantly resisted any proposal the President has put forth are now suddenly on board with thos one. You may wish to overlook that fact, but it is certainly a troubling scenario to many who are concerned with the TPP and it's long term objectives and ramifications.

Teabaggers would reject any Obama proposal out of hand so your implication that they share a common concern regarding the TPP with Progressives and Liberals is a strawman tactic.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
9. Teabaggers are more rabidly anti-Obama
Sat May 23, 2015, 12:56 AM
May 2015

So it makes sense they would still be against it whereas there is a lower limit for non-teabag Republicans (obviously, otherwise they would not have pissed off the teabaggers by caving on the Gov't shutdown over Obamacare, among other things). It's disingenuous to suggest that the OP's logic is faulty just because the teabaggers aren't on board with Obama on the TPP like the most of the rest of the Repugs are. But you knew that.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. They are also bigots, Nationalists, xenophobes, and largely ignorant. eom
Sat May 23, 2015, 01:08 AM
May 2015

Last edited Sat May 23, 2015, 01:45 AM - Edit history (1)

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
5. More Senate Democrats voted No today than voted Yes
Sat May 23, 2015, 12:39 AM
May 2015

Every Republican voted Yes.

In 2006, Senator Lieberman was virtually read out of the Democratic Party by Democratic voters who refused to renominate him for another term in the Senate, feeling that his support for the war in Iraq and hawkish views on Middle East overall did not represent their values.

Lieberman held on to his seat by running as an independent. The Republican Party abandoned their own candidate to fund Lieberman's campaign and the Republicans further urged their voters to vote for Lieberman. Senator Lieberman won re-election with Republican money and Republican votes.

Today, President Obama became the Joe Lieberman of 2015.

Those on this board who support the TPP are within their rights to do so. However, they cannot say or even insinuate that those of us who oppose this deal are somehow disloyal. That just doesn't hold water.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
6. All the Republicans are for it, and it has NO natural constituency
Sat May 23, 2015, 12:47 AM
May 2015

so when you see tools on DU defending it and talking about how they cry themselves to sleep thinking of Vietnamese farmers every night, someone is attempting to sell you a bill of goods. No one of normal income and station in life, and I mean no one, has any hope of gaining anything from this trade deal. There is no one at all telling themselves, "I think this will improve my lot in life". There are liars and fixers among us who are out to spread misinformation in an attempt to influence thinking. Guess what those people think about the rest of us. Hint: if they're willing to lie to your face repeatedly, they have no respect for you. And I have none for them. I wish I could say more.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
8. This will be the big, bad bruise on Obama's legacy.
Sat May 23, 2015, 12:53 AM
May 2015

I sure as HELL will never forget that he screwed the 99%.

Cha

(300,180 posts)
23. And, I don't think it will. I trust the President.. don't care how many threaten his "legacy".
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:13 AM
May 2015

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
10. It was obvious to me from the beginning that when the only people who get
Sat May 23, 2015, 12:59 AM
May 2015

a seat at the table to draft the bill are the corporations to the exclusion of everyone else who will be affected by such bill, and then it's done in secrecy, it has a certain stink to it.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
13. "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the TPP is not good for working Americans."
Sat May 23, 2015, 01:19 AM
May 2015

It sure doesn't.

Cha

(300,180 posts)
24. Mahalo Hoyt for standing up to the OP who says anyone who doesn't think like him is a "fucking liar"
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:15 AM
May 2015

with his "simpleton guide" in hand.

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