Taking the pulse of DU.

[Scuba]

If the Democratic Presidential Primary was held today, for whom would you vote?

141 votes, 3 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Hillary Clinton, because her policy positions are best aligned with mine.
	0 (0%)
	Hillary Clinton, because I think she has the best chance to win.
	3 (2%)
	Hillary Clinton, for both the reasons above.
	9 (6%)
	Hillary Clinton, for some other reason.
	0 (0%)
	Bernie Sanders, because his policy positions are best aligned with mine.
	101 (72%)
	Bernie Sanders, because I think he has the best chance to win.
	1 (1%)
	Bernie Sanders, for both the reasons above.
	23 (16%)
	Bernie Sanders, for some other reason.
	0 (0%)
	Martin O'Malley
	1 (1%)
	Other
	3 (2%)
	3 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[cantbeserious]

1. I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

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[RobertEarl]

35. Indeed. We have a real choice this time

And once again the amazing DUers have shown that they support Bernie by something like 90%!!!

That will cause consternation among some on DU who will even go so far as to mislabel us as being hypocrites because we want what is best, but then I think they are just caught up in some hilarious scheme to perpetrate the usual?

[DiverDave]

59. I'm waiting to be called a misogynist

Which I am not.
Raised by a single mom, she really struggled.
Started working at 13 to help out my mom and brother.
A woman hater I'm not.

Bernie speaks for me and mine, Hillary doesn't, it's that simple.

[Duval]

79. We also need to GO/campaign and give. nt

[olddots]

2. wonder what our blood pressure is

[Exilednight]

12. Speaking for myself - 100 over 70.

[Blue_In_AK]

22. 90 over 70, last I checked.

Low key, that's me.

[Enthusiast]

58. How did all of you people get so healthy? Geez.

[Blue_In_AK]

68. Just lucky, I think.

I've always had really low blood pressure, sometimes as low as 90/60, which is barely alive. I'm pretty happy about it since I'm almost 69. My cholesterol is low, too.

[Enthusiast]

87. That's great!

My cholesterol is alright but I take two BP meds. Do you eat wild game like moose?

[Blue_In_AK]

110. Sometimes.

We're not hunters, but my brother shares whenever he gets one. Moose is really quite fabulous, much less gamey than deer or caribou. We also eat halibut and salmon, a lot of vegetables and fruit, not much grain except for homemade sourdough bread.

[Enthusiast]

113. Sure sounds like a healthy diet.

[cwydro]

90. Me too.

Very low blood pressure always.

[daleanime]

29. 114 over76.....

As of 2 hours ago.

[Enthusiast]

60. Geez. 125/85

[Martin Eden]

63. I think it was 115/72 last time (I'm a youthful 57)

Fortunately my BP is independent of my outrage, or I wouldn't have survived 8 years of the Bush cabal.

[seabeyond]

94. my last one was 119/43. scared the hell out of me. what is that? nt

[hedda_foil]

116. 107 over 70.

[lookatme]

3. I would like to see a woman President and Hillary would be a fine choice

plus she has the best chance as I see it now.

If things change then I can change too but for this poll it would have to be Hillary.

[hrmjustin]

8. Welcome to DU my friend.

[lookatme]

14. thanks

[hrmjustin]

17. My pleasure and we have a Hillary Clinton room for her supporters to discuss her and her campaign.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1107

[ret5hd]

52. So gender over policy? Just asking. (nt)

[lookatme]

67. Not at all

I would like to see us keep the White House.

As to my own personal opinion of wanting to see female sitting in the oval office, it's
just that...a personal opinion .


Right now Hillary is our best option to win this election.

I did say that if this changes then I change with it.

[workinclasszero]

4. Hillary is the only democratic candidate

That can win in 2016.

It's as simple as that.

[AtomicKitten]

9. That was said in 2008 and she couldn't even win the primary.

She's a loser, her baggage insurmountable, and it's as simple as that.

[hrmjustin]

10. She tied the popular vote.

You enjoy calling Hilkary a loser?

[AtomicKitten]

11. Past is prologue.

[hrmjustin]

13. Well the country sees her as a winner even if you don't.

Cheers.

[AtomicKitten]

15. You do not speak for "the country."

Cheers.

[hrmjustin]

18. Nor do you speak for the party.

Look at the polls.

[AtomicKitten]

28. Again, deja vu.

She had every advantage before she even took off her coat in 2008: Money, huge name recognition, the Democratic Party machinery, and take a look at those polls ... a 30 point lead. And she blew it. She didn't just lose, she pissed it away with a badly run campaign and resorting to ugly race-baiting.

[hrmjustin]

30. Well when she is our nominee i hope all DUers do the right thing and vote for our nominee.

[AtomicKitten]

32. "when" ... there's that presumptuous inevitably meme again

[hrmjustin]

33. Do you think she will lose?

[AtomicKitten]

37. Absolutely. If not in the primary, then in the general.

The air of corruption - self-imposed, by the way - follows her around like Pigpen. This is the Hillary and Bill Clinton Show. Voters have seen it and are slowly but surely turning the channel.

[hrmjustin]

39. And you call me presumptuous.

Lol.

Good luck with Sanders.

[AtomicKitten]

40. Wishing you a nice holiday today.

I'm off to work ....

[hrmjustin]

42. Be safe and have a good week.

[JDPriestly]

78. I think she will lose too. She gets angry and peeved and shows it in a way that does not

help her.


In addition, as you know, she has shown poor judgment in some situations that were important for our country -- the Iraq War for one -- and she will have to answer for Bill Clinton's many mistakes in office.

Also, I don't think she really connects with people that well.

I realize that DUers will say these are irrelevant issues, but they are very relevant. Most voters do not vote based on the issues but rather vote for the candidate they like, that they find personable and feel comfortable with.

Hillary failed in comparison with Obama on these personality issues. She will also show as not as good as Bernie in terms of personal rapport with the voters who never meet her.

This is not sexist. Elizabeth Warren defeats every potential Democratic candidate when it comes to personal rapport with voters.

[hrmjustin]

80. She does not need to answer for her husband mistakes.

She is her own person Thank you very much.

[JDPriestly]

85. it isn't her choice. It's the voters' choice.

Right now, she is ahead in the polls because people remember the Clinton years as good years for the economy. In fact, many of the seeds for our currently difficult economy grew out of the Clinon years and policies adopted during that time. The Republicans will make sure that Hillary does not avoid answering for her husband's mistakes.

We need a stronger candidate than Hillary, and Bernie is stronger. Elizabeth Warren would be great too, but so far she is not running.

The fact that Hillary is running again shows how ambitious she is. She could use a good dose of humility in her manner.

[hrmjustin]

86. Oh please!

To run for president you are by definition ambitious.

And if you think Sanders is strong when he won't raise the mondy he needs you are fooling yourself.

[sufrommich]

88. "The fact that Hillary is running again shows how ambitious she is.

She could use a good dose of humility in her manner."

More stupefying tone deafness. You guys are on a roll.

[asjr]

84. How much longer will some of you blame Hillary Clinton

for the sins of her husband? How much longer will some of you say she is corrupt? I have admired her for quite some time and in no way consider her corrupt. She would make a very good president. Bernie Sanders would make a good president. Elizabeth Warren would make a good president. I just happen to believe in Hillary. If she is the nominee I will gladly take my 82 year old body to the voting booth and pull the lever for Hillary Clinton. It is way past time for a woman as president.

[JDPriestly]

93. I will not vote for Hillary. I do not think she has good judgment about foreign and domestic policy

Just keep watching the videos from the past, and the development of the campaigns.

[Enthusiast]

61. Yeah, but. She won't have to race-bait this time. So there!

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. I guess you know better than the 87% of African Americans who have a favorable opinion of her.

But if you look at what the polls are telling us so far, Democrats seem quite happy to have Clinton as their presidential nominee. In the latest Pew poll, 77 percent of Democrats see her favorably, and she has strong approval across ages, incomes, and races. (African-Americans, the most important Democratic sub-group, rate her particularly highly, at 87 percent favorable.)

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http://theweek.com/articles/556175/hillary-clinton-fewer-problems-democratic-base-than-might-think

[Enthusiast]

69. That's one a them imprecise unscientific polls. If you really want to know something

check out this poll right in this thread. [URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. The ironic thing is all the African Americans in this thread, I count five...

The ironic thing is all the African Americans in this thread, I count five, have a favorable opinion of Secretary Of state Clinton:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026706470

[BrotherIvan]

95. Perhaps you don't know who all the PoC are on this site

[DemocratSinceBirth]

96. TarHeel Dem, 1 Strong Black Man, Numbers23, D Durham, GenXer, and Mr Dixon posted in said thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026706470


In this instance we have anecdotal evidence (African American DU posters who bothered to post in a thread about HRC and African Americans) confirming empirical evidence ( peer reviewed surveys).

[BrotherIvan]

98. So you didn't even pause to think before proving that you don't know

[DemocratSinceBirth]

99. Don't know what...

That every person who identified as African American in the thread we discussed/I linked had a favorable opinion of Secretary of State Clinton.

Did you even bother to read the thread?

I read it multiple times as I had several entries in it.

[BrotherIvan]

100. You are implying that every African American on DU supports Clinton

I am telling you that is not true.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

102. What I said is that polls indicate that 87% of African Americans

What I said is that polls indicate that 87% of African Americans have a favorable opinion of Secretary of State Clinton, ergo:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026706470


and that all the self identified African American Americans who participated in said thread had a favorable opinion of her.




A bit of friendly advice to you and Enthusiast. If you canvass African American and Latino neighborhoods for Mr. Sanders there are more effective ways of persuasion than telling them Secretary Of State Clinton is inimical to their interests, friendly advice...


I reread all my posts on this topic....Nowhere did I go further than where the empirical and anecdotal evidence took me.

[BrotherIvan]

104. I tried to give you the hint, but you just wouldn't take it

Here's my advice: don't make assumptions when you are ignorant of the subject.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

106. Here's my advice. Don't call people ignorant in real life.

Here's my advice. Don't call people ignorant in real life, the anonymity of the internet provides infinitely more protection.



Your pal called Hillary a racist...That's belied by the fact that the research indicates that 87% of African Americans have a favorable opinion of her.

You are the one with straw men and red herrings like suggesting I said every African American on DU supports her.

[pscot]

74. You really ought to save that for the Republicans

[workinclasszero]

23. You talk big **** Bernie fan

Hillary lost to President Obama. You think ...Bernie. ..is equal to Barack Obama?

[orpupilofnature57]

41. As far as honesty ? Hillary lost the backing of the party and MSM .

[DemocratSinceBirth]

76. You mean the 77% of Democrats who have a favorable opinion of her...

As to the press, fuck em, they never liked her husband and he's America's most popular living president:





They hate em because they ain't em.

[orpupilofnature57]

114. She ain't " Em " and Jimmy Carter was the most honest, still is .

[DemocratSinceBirth]

115. I have voted* for and canvassed for Democrats since I was 10

I couldn't vote* but I could canvass with my mom.

Most Democrats in real life like Secretary Of State Clinton and I am one of them.


I never voted a Repug in my entire life, not once, not for sheriff, not for congressperson, not for dog catcher...

[orpupilofnature57]

117. Al D'Mato 1981, 40 yrs of voting I voted communist as a 19yr old to not elect any republican

in 1976, Jarvis Tyner, because Hugh Carey was a crook, and popular by the way, and I have never voted for a republican besides the 1 I mentioned .

[JDPriestly]

75. Bernie is more dedicated to economic justice and representing ordinary people

than President Obama.

Bernie, at the same time, has a stellar record on social issues including racial, gender, education, and all other issues.

Bernie is far more serious about representing our interests, yours and mine, than either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. Just listen to Bernie. Hear what he has to say. Read his views. You will probably find that he is a much stronger candidate than Hillary.

Bernie voted against both Iraq Wars and at the time judged very accurately the situation and explained why it was wrong for us, unwise for us, to invade Iraq.

Hillary voted for the Iraq War (the second one). She does not have the good judgment that Bernie Sanders has. If you look at their records, you will understand why Bernie is the favorite here. We are, most of us, political junkies, really well informed. That's why we like Bernie so much. He is likely to gain supporters as time passes.

[cui bono]

25. Bwahaha...

DUzy!!!

[MissDeeds]

44. +1

When a poll on a Democratic site has her losing, and badly.

[mythology]

51. The above isn't anything even remotely approaching a scientifically valid poll

It's self-selected by members of the site, people who happen to read the post and opt to answer, and doesn't reflect the larger society. There's a reason that polls taken on DU don't show the same thing as real world polls.

[Enthusiast]

62. It's a scientifically precise poll.

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[leftofcool]

72. LMAO!

[woo me with science]

5. I chose "because his policy positions are best aligned with mine,"

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because I vote based on principle and policy positions.

But I also believe that this nation is HUNGRY for this candidacy, and, apart from thoroughly corrupt machinations by the PTB to remove him from the race, he ABSOLUTELY has the best chance to win.

[cui bono]

27. My sentiments exactly.

[MissDeeds]

45. +1000

My choice too, for all the reasons you stated.

[green917]

82. This, exactly this!

Senator Sanders is that rarest of creatures, a politician with integrity who does not lack the courage of his convictions!

[99Forever]

107. I went with both, simply because I...

... firmly believe as time passes and more people hear about Bernie's movement and what it stands for, he will be far more electable than we can begin to imagine.

Barack Obama promised "hope and change" then reneged on us.

Bernie IS the real deal.

[TreasonousBastard]

6. Bernie talks the talk, but I doubt he can buck the tide...

if he gets the job.

And getting the job is a big if.

Politics is the art of compromise, and Clinton is the only one good at it.

[BrotherIvan]

7. I appreciate the thought, but I don't think you will get a straight answer

from many.

[hifiguy]

16. Bernie because he is the first REAL Democrat,

in the tradition of FDR, Truman, the Kennedys, Hubert Humphrey, and LBJ, that has emerged since Walter Mondale 31 years ago and George McGovern 43 years ago.

[Blue_In_AK]

19. I would've voted for Mike Gravel in the Alaska caucus

in 2008 if he had lasted that long, but it was just down to Hillary and Barack by our February date. I went with Hillary then just because she was so outnumbered here, but I wasn't real thrilled by either choice. I'll vote for her if she's the nominee, of course, but I'd rather not.

[undeterred]

20. Russ Feingold.

Because he's Russ Feingold and should be our president.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

21. Either Clinton or O'Malley, on electability grounds, if I were American.

Clinton and O'Malley are both likely to lose the election, I think, but Sanders would be more or less certain to.

I'd need to look in more detail than I have to tell you which of them is less unlikely to win, but that's the one I'd back - I think that with the near-certainty of a Republican-controlled congress, electability and coat-tails matter far more than policies, because policies won't get implemented no matter how good they are.

[aikoaiko]

24. I'm beginning to believe in a Bernie nomination and presidency.

He's not there yet, but I went from supporting Hillary because I couldn't imagine anyone really challenging her to being pleasantly surprised with Bernie's progress.

And I'm a left of center democrat.

[UglyGreed]

26. Going to vote with my heart and mind and

go with Bernie.

[longship]

31. I will not state my choice because it will only add to the toxic environment here.

And amazingly, it is nearly 18 months until the election, and the chair throwing here is in full swing, pun intended.

So, I refuse to take sides and possibly become part of the ill behavior on this board.

DU has a lot of suck these days.

[KMOD]

34. If it were held today, HRC.

Because as of today, she is our strongest candidate by far.

[orpupilofnature57]

38. How far ? What's her stength ?

They'll rip her to smithereens .

[KMOD]

43. By like 50 points of more in the polls.

btw, you won't see too many HRC supporters answer this poll, because when they do some like to be critical of their support. I really don't care, but most people are sick and tired of people of the badgering that comes with it.

Not that you were badgering, mind you, but there is a group here that will go after any HRC post.

Constructive criticism is one thing, but a lot of it is just BS type stuff.

[orpupilofnature57]

49. I can't speak for touting her in ' Hillary Group ' I'm kicked out

but usurping GD with esoteric conversations meant for all of us to hear is BS , and won't help her from the scrutiny I don't think she can withstand .

[KMOD]

50. I confident she can.

But there is a long way to go.

[ret5hd]

53. Change "she" to "he" and the same could be said of Bernie.

[KMOD]

55. He won't be scrutinized nearly as much as HRC, until the media starts

paying more attention. He still has to make significant gains in the polls to get there.

Can he, we shall see.

[Enthusiast]

64. You're kicked out too?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. She can withstand the scrutiny.

I have never seen somebody as persistent and willful as her... That's why I admire her...If i was in the proverbial foxhole I want someone like her right next to me.

She's is the embodiment of Nietzsche 's admonition that " which doesn't kill us makes us stronger."

[Logical]

57. She lost a 30 point lead in 2008! I have faith she can do worse this time. nt

[orpupilofnature57]

36. Bernie on both counts, he knows who the enemy to Democracy is (Unchecked Greed )

and can refute and castigate any Republican in debate and comparison of any sort , Hillary represents the same types of concern we have against Republicans, while being an icon for Liberalism to them, the only bipartisanship that doesn't hurt us now is among VOTERS in both parties .

[mvd]

46. Bernie because his positions fit mine the best

He'd really shake up the system instead of just eating at the edges of it. As for him having a better chance to win, I do not know - but I am willing to take the chance.

[OilemFirchen]

47. Were the primaries to START today...

I'd obviously vote for Clinton, as Sanders wouldn't be on the ballot in Ohio.

[Bryce Butler]

77. Why wouldn't he be on the ballot?

He's running as a democrat, not independent.

[OilemFirchen]

97. Because he'll be bounced out after Super Tuesday.

Ohio's primary is a week later.

[LostOne4Ever]

48. Withholding all consideration until either

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]1) Russ Feingold decides to run for president (not happening)
2) Its much much closer to primary time in my state (Texas)[/font]

[Hoppy]

54. THIS POLE IS STACKED !!! Bernie's name shouldn't be included.

That way, Hillary can win.

[cwydro]

92. Poll.

Just sayin'.

[Hoppy]

105. I didn't think it needed the sarcasm emot.

[romanic]

56. I like both for different reasons

Bernie is definitely the more progressive of the two, but I feel like Hillary would have more political savvy to get things done on a federal level. So...I dunno. :/

[madokie]

66. Bernie Sanders

if Hillary or hell a snake in the grass was to win the nominee I'll vote for it over a republiCON but my support is 100% for Bernie right now.

I'm not calling anyone a snake in the grass so please don't alert on me saying I am.

[Half-Century Man]

70. I really believe Bernie has a good shot

His platform and demeanor are winners. He is what every American politician should aspire to grow up to be.

[mike dub]

81. Bernie Sanders

N/t

[femmocrat]

83. Undecided at this point.

I kind of like O'Malley, but am waiting to hear what he has to say.

I will vote for the democratic nominee, doesn't matter who it is.

[edgineered]

89. The spread is greater than it appears at face value

Examine the HRC choices

0 have selected the 1st choice - most closely aligned views
12 (4%) have chosen - best chance to win
31 (11%) have chosen - both of above
1 (0%) - other reasons

Those 12 votes for her having the best chance are swing votes by definition; thus going to the most likely candidate at election time.

With these numbers, the totals become:

HRC total votes: 32
BS total votes: 239 + 12 swing votes = 251

*only running some numbers here, no other comment, and I didnt vote

[-none]

91. Bernie, because he speaks for me.

Voting for someone because you think they can win, is not only a bad idea, but is part of the reason this country is in this mess we are in. To say nothing about this country drifting ever farther to the Right every election.
If more people voted for those that most closely reflect their views on important subjects, we would win more often. But when your choice is between a (D) and (R) with the same basic positions, not so much

[KoKo]

101. Impressive Results..so far...on Memorial Day Weekend late afternoon OP!

Interesting, isn't it. "TRUTH TO POWER!"

[Thinkingabout]

103. I do not look at the evil aspect, l look at the most qualified and that would be

Hillary, no doubt about it.

[Phlem]

109. Where in Scuba's OP, does it say anything about evil?

[Thinkingabout]

111. I guess I read about evil in post #1

[bigwillq]

108. Bernie (nt)

[stage left]

112. I support Bernie.

However, if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, she will have my support and my vote.

[Cheese Sandwich]

118. It's weird how there are more Bernie supporters on DU but if you read the site

it seems pretty evenly split.

Sometimes it seems like Hillary posts are much more in number.

It creates a sense that the forum is pretty evenly divided but. But these polls always seem to show Bernie way up in the DU vote.

[Scuba]

119. You are a keen observer. And handful of Hillary supporters with gazillions of posts each.