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Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:45 AM

I do not know if anyone on here cares about the guy with the armoured

vehicle who attacked the police, blaming them to take his child away! He was so frustrated at being deemed a person of domestic violence. When his dad was interviewed, he did not agree with his non! And the interviewer asked that the son should have got help. And you know what is mind boggling -- the dad (and am paraphrasing) said, where does a white guy go for help. That is so true! Society is focussing so much on women that the men get left behind! Not only that, too many women punish fathers from not seeing their children and the courts need to address that.

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Reply I do not know if anyone on here cares about the guy with the armoured (Original post)
akbacchus_BC Jun 2015 OP
Skittles Jun 2015 #1
akbacchus_BC Jun 2015 #2
herding cats Jun 2015 #3
akbacchus_BC Jun 2015 #4
herding cats Jun 2015 #5
akbacchus_BC Jun 2015 #6
Skittles Jun 2015 #7
herding cats Jun 2015 #8

Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:57 AM

1. hoo boy

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:00 AM

2. Oh no, I did not mean to offend you.

I am not defending the guy, it just seems that his child was taken away, was arrested for domestic violence and then the shit hit the fan. I just feel so sorry for his dad!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:11 AM

3. Do you know the situation of the domestic violence?

It wasn't his wife/girlfriend, who also had lost custody of the child for drug abuse. He lost it and started choking out his mama. Then he was heading to get his guns and body armor from his brother's, who ratted him out, so he could go shoot up some schools and churches, when they arrested him on the domestic violence. Then they ended up giving the guns and armor back to him recently, because he'd met the conditions of his arrest, and they're the same ones he had when he attacked the police. Although he did have a different reason he was angry now, since his previous incident had caused him to lose his child. It's kind of a complex story. Much more so than his dad made it seem.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:20 AM

4. Ok, am sorry, I was only going on what I saw on CNN

on how devastated his dad was.It is still sad, no matter how angry the guy was, he had no right to attack the police!

Sometimes you never know what triggers people to do things that normal people do not understand. Perhaps he was depressed and felt he needed to attack the wrong people.

Let me say this, social services is not always the best way to go. Children are more loved by their parents than foster parents, we have seen how that doesn't work. Sometimes, it is good for the children!

I just feel so sad at the outcome!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:32 AM

5. He was mentally ill.

He had a reprieve, if he'd been someone else he'd have been in prison for his plan to attack schools and churches. Instead, well, you know the outcome. A minor domestic violence charge and a dad that blames the system for failing his white son and taking away custody his child, just because they said he wasn't a fit father. After all, he loved the kid, the kid was his world! Even if he wanted to go shoot up some other school kids and churches, and he had choked out the kids grandmother. He was a good son.

The dad is in denial. The problem was untreated mental illness. And, he should never have been given back his guns. He was a danger to society and himself.

Some advice, don't take CNN too literally. They're not in it for the truth, just the ratings.

ETA: As an aside, his initial plan to shoot up schools an churches fell in the aftermath of Sandy Hook. How they let him fall through the cracks will forever be a mystery to me. Luckily no one else loss their life, but him. Not that he should have, he should have been in treatment for his mental illness. Except we can't do that here in the US unless it's court mandated, and his wasn't. It cost too much and you can't charge fines and fees to get someone mental health treatment. Unlike sending them to jail and sticking them on probation.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:46 AM

6. Thank you for your kind response. I was in no way defending

the shooter, I just felt so sorry that he needed to attack the police for his child being taken away. His Dad was not defending him, his dad made a statement which should make everyone wake up and understand --"Where does a white guy go for help"? You know that is not going anywhere and it is reality and it is sad. Society is not caring for women far less guys.

However, we look at it, am glad no police officers got harmed but that child is going to grow up without a father. No, he was not planning to shoot up schools and churches, you are making that up. Gawd, why are you making him more of a killer than he is?

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:58 AM

7. he did not need to attack the police for his child being taken away

and if you think non-white men and all women have an easy time getting access to mental health care, you really do not know much at all

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:06 AM

8. I know you mean the best, but...

No person of any skin color has better resources for mental illness, neither do women. It's an income based privilege only. The dad was a million miles off base on what the real problem was, even though he sounded pitiful in his delivery. He was trying to make it something it isn't, because he can't deal with what the reality is. It wasn't his skin color, it wasn't his gender. It was the fact that mental illness is treated like a crime too often in the US. He actually got off easy the first time, which a person who wasn't white, or was Muslim, (just imagine if he were a Muslim?!) would have if they'd said they were going to go out and shoot up a bunch of school children and churches because they were mad at their mom over something she'd said.

Our mental health in this country is a mess. I have no idea how to fix it, because you run into walls from both sides when you bring it up. I do know that there's a real need for a compassionate care system in our country. Which crosses all ethnicity's and gender lines. We all get sick sometimes. It's a part of life. We shouldn't stigmatize it, and we definitely shouldn't make it a criminal offense.

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