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Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:17 AM

Axelrod hypnosis meme, over and over, "Bernie is not gonna be president"

Axelrod is including this comment over and over and over like a magic spell or a way to hypnotize his listeners... "Sleepy..sleepy..you will feel very sleeeepppy". In every speech, and he's giving them three or four a day now.

Yeah, so Axelrod, a guy like you participated when a freshman senator became president in spite of all the naysayers who thought "there's no WAY this country's gonna elect him". He had a name that was one letter away from the world's most infamous terrorist, for heaven's sake.

Is Axelrod spinning tales or he is bailing water as fast as he can out of the leaky boat? I don't know. But I do believe that as a multimillionaire, he's counting on favorable tax rates for him and his pals, and maintaining that special place for corporatist democrats that's carved out to keep corporate money flowing while giving We The People an alternative to the dinosaur mouth-breathing mostly-insane right wing. Thank you for your service, David. Thank God for Obama. And Hillary. And Bill. You DO beat THAT dinosaur alternative.

Still.. My working class brethren are kind of sick of living on nothing but fumes from the party up above. I'm sick of watching hardworking people that I grew up with struggle to cope with minor unexpected bills, at an age when they should have resources to ease their pain. I'm actually sick of the cynicism being passed on to the young, that says there's no good politicians. My own dad was a politician, about a million years ago, and he was a good hearted honest man. None of his kids would dream of going into politics, though. Too dirty.

The price we all pay for electing corporatists of one color or another (blue or red) is that we are being tacked like a sailboat upwind, in a direction of greater wealth inequality and more plutocracy.. The plutocracy part is nearly total, already.

Obama is an awesome president, the most awesome president that he's allowed to be, given the constraints of the U.S. plutocracy. Bill was a great president too, and if Hillary gets elected, I'll be celebrating the defeat of Marcobushcruderump & Company Inc. Celebrating the first woman president and expecting that her nominees to the Supreme Court would be excellent. She would do what she can to soften the impact of pro-corporate policies on the poor and on the environment. There'd be much to be grateful for.

But then there's Bernie. I want to get a bumper sticker that says, "Bernie: The Real Deal". Just because he's been consistent, straightforward, dependable and NOT bought. Electing him would start a shift from the Plutocracy back toward democracy.

David Axelrod says Bernie is never going to be president, and we know why. It's because people like David Axelrod are out there telling us what to think, and money equals speech according to the Supreme Court, and there's a lot of money-bought speech that will be flying at us on the airwaves. They will try to make up scandals, paint Bernie as strange and unelectable, and if that doesn't work, they'll distort the images and the sound until we have another "Dean Scream" moment. David and his allies have stock portfolios and future gigs to protect. Populism must be stopped at all costs -- or channelled into Economically Approved paths.

But...How to make Americans learn to think for themselves again, to recognize their own interests!?!? In spite of what talking heads on TV will tell them? It seems improbable. I don't have so much confidence in the clear thought processes of the American public.

But electing a freshman senator with a name just one letter away from the world's most infamous terrorist seemed improbable too. We didn't all think the country was ready for Obama, but enough of the country WAS in fact ready for Obama... Enough to get him elected twice.

What if the country is ready now for something new again? Maybe instead of being repeatedly tacked upwind by corporate money that pulls us in the direction of greater wealth inequality and more corporate influence, we could turn it around and let the sail out. Catch a favorable wind from the banking meltdown and decades of low wages and massive student loan debt and an unwelcoming job market.

Maybe now the country would be ready for the voice of Bernie.

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Reply Axelrod hypnosis meme, over and over, "Bernie is not gonna be president" (Original post)
lostnfound Jun 2015 OP
Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #1
Scuba Jun 2015 #19
sufrommich Jun 2015 #2
LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #22
A Simple Game Jun 2015 #26
LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #33
A Simple Game Jun 2015 #45
Avalux Jun 2015 #24
former9thward Jun 2015 #66
Avalux Jun 2015 #67
former9thward Jun 2015 #71
lostnfound Jun 2015 #43
lark Jun 2015 #47
notadmblnd Jun 2015 #3
LanternWaste Jun 2015 #4
moondust Jun 2015 #5
lostnfound Jun 2015 #25
A Simple Game Jun 2015 #28
DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #50
Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #55
moondust Jun 2015 #65
Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #68
moondust Jun 2015 #69
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Ron Green Jun 2015 #6
erronis Jun 2015 #13
Indepatriot Jun 2015 #7
lostnfound Jun 2015 #72
NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #8
A Simple Game Jun 2015 #44
lark Jun 2015 #49
A Simple Game Jun 2015 #51
lostnfound Jun 2015 #73
NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #74
madokie Jun 2015 #9
NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #10
CoffeeCat Jun 2015 #11
brooklynite Jun 2015 #12
Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #14
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pangaia Jun 2015 #30
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lostnfound Jun 2015 #35
zipplewrath Jun 2015 #40
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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:19 AM

1. Lots of denial in Camp Hillary

 

I think soon it will take the form of "No... no... not again!"

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:52 AM

19. +1

 

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:20 AM

2. Or David Axelrod has a good understanding

of the American electorate.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:00 AM

22. Noooooo that couldn't be

 

Why Bernie has won a lot....well....actually....zero national campaigns.

But he has heart, damnit!

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Response to LordGlenconner (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:14 AM

26. Bernie has never lost a national campaign either. How many has Hillary lost?

More important, how many has Hillary won?

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:21 AM

33. I guess I missed the part where we're talking about Clinton

 

This thread is about Axelrod and the assertion by some here that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

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Response to LordGlenconner (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:37 AM

45. Oh, I'm sorry, I was under the assumption Axelrod was a Hillary supporter, my bad. n/t

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:02 AM

24. Or a good understanding of how the political machine works.

There's a system in place that candidates must follow if they have a chance in hell. That system includes a crapload of money, a huge staff of pr handlers, attorneys, organizers and volunteers, and support of the string pullers.

I don't condemn a candidate for playing within the system, but I am supporting a candidate that recognizes the system as it is, is detrimental to the American electorate.

If Hillary Clinton took a strong stand against Citizen's United and used her team of attorneys to go for publicly funded presidential campaigns along with voting rights, she's go a loooong way with me.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:58 PM

66. We have publicly funded presidential campaigns.

Obama rejected those funds in 2008 and 2012. Clinton can accept them if she wishes to comply with the law. She does not need a team of attorneys to get that money.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #66)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:02 PM

67. Ummm that's not what I'm saying, read my post again.

Yesterday, Hillary Clinton's campaign announced that her team of attorneys is going to fight for voting rights in the courts. If she truly wants all to be fair and equal as it should be, it would be great if that team of attorneys got to work to overturn Citizen's United, and work towards a law that gives every presidential candidate the same amount of tax $$ to run. Small individual contributions would be ok too.

Citizen's United is killing us.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #67)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:06 PM

71. The current law gives the same amount of money to everyone.

Obama thought he could get more money if he rejected the public money. McCain accepted the public money in 2008. Both Obama and Romney rejected the public money in 2012. Citizens United can not be "overturned" by attorneys or anybody else. It is a Supreme Court decision and will stand until the court changes at some point in the future and another case is brought.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:33 AM

43. A good understanding of the ease with which Big Money is able to manipulate the American electorate

And a good understanding that Big Money will throw everything it has against Bernie the minute he starts to viably challenge their hedged bets.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:41 AM

47. He's trying to reduce the # of voters for Bernie.

He does know the electorate, knows that they believe WAY too much of what they hear and see in the news. So, he, and all the other MSM talking heads put out in the news constantly that Bernie's unelectable, knowing that doing this pushes that meme. That's the game, depress the other person's voters so they don't show up to vote.

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:23 AM

3. Maintain the status quo

That is the priority of both the neocons and neoliberals. Their mistake is in thinking that the American people are either or- when in fact most of us are neither.

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:25 AM

4. No more and no less than anyone who prophecies who will or will not win the nomination.

"Is Axelrod spinning tales or he is bailing water as fast as he can out of the leaky boat? "

No more and no less than anyone who prophecies who will or will not win the nomination. Luckily for us, no one on DU ever does that either...

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:28 AM

5. My stocks! My stocks!

The socialist will ruin my stocks!!!! I might end up living under a bridge!!!



I suspect this may be where a lot of Americans are politically.

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Response to moondust (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:08 AM

25. That's funny. And if Bernie gets elected I do think my stocks will take a dip.

But I'd rather have a fair economy than an extra veranda in my retirement.
Id rather have social security protected for all than have an extra Zero in the bank. I kind of liked the more egalitarian, hopeful 60s that I grew up in (economically speaking).

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:17 AM

28. Short term thinking and planning along with profit taking by CEO's that

only think of their own bank accounts are what will hurt your stock whether Bernie is President or not.

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:51 AM

50. I don't own any stocks but I am not vacuous enough to believe if the market crashed the carnage...

I don't own any stocks but I am not vacuous enough to believe if the market crashed that the carnage wouldn't extend well beyond Wall Street...The 1% would be hurt for sure but since they literally have a lot more to lose than us plebeians most of them will survive a lot better...

The Fords, the Firestones, the Kennedys, the Rockefellers took a hit from the Great Depression but they were still The Fords, the Firestones, the Kennedys, the Rockefellers after it.

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Response to moondust (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:09 PM

55. People only care about Main Street, not Wall Street,

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #55)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:39 PM

65. Except for people

who no longer have defined pensions and may have no choice but to rely on 401Ks and such if they ever want to retire. Every new "investor" in Wall Street is another [strike]hostage[/strike] insurance policy against trust busters and others who would rein in Wall Street's excesses.

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Response to moondust (Reply #65)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:10 PM

68. The lack of stock ownership is part of the wealth gap...

 

The survey said only 14 percent of Americans own stocks directly—down from 21 percent in 2001.


http://www.cnbc.com/id/101980294

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #68)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:37 PM

69. "directly"

Most are probably in 401Ks and mutual funds.

"...48.8 percent of Americans held stock either directly or indirectly in 2012, the latest period measured."

Does "Americans" include all Americans, i.e. children, retired, unemployed, welfare recipients, bankrupted by medical bills, failed small businesses, etc.?


"We control the ability of millions of Americans to retire someday. Don't mess with us."

"Yeah, let 'em do whatever they have to so I can retire to Florida someday. Don't mess with 'em."

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Response to moondust (Reply #69)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:47 PM

70. 401ks are a scam anyway. It's the company shifting pensions to the banks....

 

Then the banks gamble with that money.

Glass Steagall needs to come back. It made it illegal for banks to play with your money.

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:29 AM

6. Bernie is different in kind, not degree.

He's the only candidate who exposes the game. Axelrod and his ilk ARE the game, and although it's got to be played, we all need to have knowledge of it.

Hillary's election changes nothing. Bernie's election shows that people have gained an awareness, and therefore we have a chance.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:29 AM

13. +1 : "Axelrod and his ilk ARE the game..." Nice.

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:32 AM

7. Great post, well written and entertaining to boot!

 

If you look up "smarmy" in the dictionary it has Mr. Axlerod's photo...

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Response to Indepatriot (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:15 PM

72. Thanks.

Welcome..

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:35 AM

8. Bernie's poll numbers are rising quickly and

 

we haven't even reached the debates yet. He's been in this race less than a month as compared to his corporate challenger who has been running for at least 8 years now. Looking at the facts and reality, they simply don't jive with Axelrods premise. Let them keep trying as the "unelectable" meme is ALL THEY GOT.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:34 AM

44. Unelectable is all they got is right, it's the only thing they can attack him on.

Everything else Bernie stands for is also what the majority of American people stand for and want. They can't attack him on the issues, in fact they are steering Hillary to copy Bernie's stand on the issues.

Does Hillary even make it to the first primary?

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:46 AM

49. Of course she does!

She's in this until the end and expects to win. I think it's going to be a real horse race, but hope Bernie can get enough people to the polls that don't normally vote so that he can overcome her big money advantage. MSM is going to be cutting him down so bad, though, I do feel sorry in advance for his family. OMG, think it could be very ugly. Actually, think it will be very ugly for any Dem because MSM wants it's Repug pres back again.

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Response to lark (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:52 AM

51. Yes I was being a little hyperbolic. And you are right the MSM does want a

Republican President and they don't care what the letter is after the name.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:17 PM

73. Do you think we will eventually see such a debate?

That will be very interesting, with our four declared candidates right now.
On edit: I just picture someone pulling the rug out from under it on some technicality.

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #73)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 06:04 PM

74. Oh, I'm pretty sure there will be debates.

 

The people will demand nothing less, and besides DWS has already talked on numerous occasions about looking forward to having Democratic Party debates. There is no way for any side to back out as doing so would be instantly identified as a tragic weakness...an unwillingness to discuss policy in a public venue...like 'what are you afraid of?'. The only debate I am really looking forward to at the moment is between Hillary and Bernie; then between Bernie and the GOP candidate du jour.

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:44 AM

9. You are spot on with this

man o man reads like this is why I so love this place. Our worst are eons better than their best

Our country is ready for a Bernie Sanders thats a fact.
If we don't get on pretty damn quick we're truly more fucked that we can even imagine. Fucked I say, fucked, fucked fucked!

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:18 AM

10. don't forget that Bud Light is the best selling beer.

advertising works.

sadly - one of human beings' flaws.
This is the DU member formerly known as NRaleighLiberal.

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:25 AM

11. David Axelrod doesn't understand...

…just how fed up the American electorate is with entrenched politicians and their loyalty to corrupt corporate America.

We are ready for something different. Something off the beaten path.

I never thought I'd be considering voting for Bernie Sanders. NEVER. Yes, I do agree with many of his positions and he's the only one speaking out on a host of progressive issues that matter to me. But seriously…I never thought his speeches and political events would garner this much attention.

It could happen.

Americans are done. They have almost tuned out politics, because it seems hopeless with corporate America deciding when we go to war, what poisons we eat this week, the horrible trade deals our country will join, how dirty our water is, how many unwanted pelvic ultrasounds we'll experience and what
lethal pharmaceuticals we'll be exposed to.

We're just done. And if all that America has to offer this time around--is another Bush and another Clinton--well, screw that.

At this point--I'm for any meaningful change that will knock our political system off it's corrupt axis. If that's Bernie, then so be it.

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:29 AM

12. Why on earth would you want analysis from someone who helped win two Presidential elections?

What would he know?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:32 AM

14. Because he is free of any bias....is that your thought? n/t

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:37 AM

15. How many people are alive that managed a successful political presidential campaign?

I count less than a handful.


I would give him the same deference that I would give a Pat Riley or a Gregg Popovich on what it takes to win a NBA championship.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:50 AM

17. You mean a marketing campaign.

It even won an award.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:55 AM

20. I wouldn't dispute the thesis that selling or marketing a politician...

I wouldn't dispute the thesis that selling or marketing a politician is similar to selling or marketing a product. If the public doesn't buy either it will have a short shelf life.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:19 AM

30. This ain't no basketball game.

It's about human beings.

Oh, BTW LeBron LOST!

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Response to pangaia (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:24 AM

38. I am a Heat Fan so why would I have wanted the Cavaliers to win?

I will extend the analogy. If I was starting a software business I would give more weight to Paul Allen's opinion than some random internet poster.


If my cousin needed neurosurgery I would give more credence to Ben Carson's opinion than I would Ted Cruz.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:02 AM

23. +1

 

These Bernie fans have zero street smarts, the poor dears.



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Response to brooklynite (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:22 AM

35. I'm glad for his past successes and how wonderful it would be if...

..he were so inclined to throw his weight behind a Bernie. But of course, he wouldn't. It's preposterous. Not just because of Bernie's funny hair or his "social Democrat" label, but because money is the name of the game in the kind of politics that Axelrod, and his evil doppelgängers on the Republican side, play.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:29 AM

40. Ya mean Karl?

How much should I pay attention to any analysis from Karl. He was doing a lot in '14 as I recall, right on the air.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:29 PM

58. I actually WOULD give Rove some deference...

...if it came to his analysis of the Republican Primary field.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #58)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:35 PM

61. you know he has had some specatularly bad predictions right?

He has two spectacularly bad predictions over the year, but yes about general elections.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:39 AM

46. That kind of thinking would have a person take advice from Karl Rove.

 

More and more it becomes apparent that there's very little difference between the professional political game players on either side.

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:43 AM

16. David Axelrod is mistaken.

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:52 AM

18. I've been ready for Bernie for a long time.

I'm glad he's caught fire.

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:57 AM

21. He's a Clintonite

What did you expect him to say? And he is bought and paid for.

I'm seeing that this CU decision by the most corrupt SCOTUS ever, may come back and bite them in the ass. People are wising up to the idiots in Washington, and the fact that they are all bought and paid for, including the media. No one represents us. Especially now, since CU is legal. I feel if it weren't for that, we'd never have seen the likes of Bernie. Congrats SCOTUS, and THANKS BERNIE. Your SC corrupt asses will soon be gone and we can get this country back on the right track.

As for Bernie, I think he has an excellent chance to be our president. No one, and I mean NO ONE, can match Bernie.

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:16 AM

27. Your working class brotheren?

Bernie has about 15% support of Dems and Hillary has about 65%.
You think working class Dems equal 15% or could it be Hillary has support from working class brotheren too and sisterhood and minority support?
Bernie will never win with your 15% brotheren!

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:30 AM

41. Working class roots

When I was growing up none of my friends dads wore a tie to work.Plenty worse uniforms;a custodian's uniform, an auto mechanic's uniform, and a sheriff's uniform.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:55 AM

52. The country and the electorate are made up

of more than those who don't wear ties.
This election is more than just about your brothern.
I think that's what some Bernie folks don't get. You need a broad based electorate.
This isn't just about you.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #52)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:57 AM

53. I am working class and I support HRC

In fact i prefer for the most part the company of working class folks to the company of intellectuals or folks who fancy themselves as such.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:05 PM

54. And what percentage of the population are registered Democrats?

And what percentage of them are likely voters?
When 63% don't vote at all you are talking about a minority of people...and that is why there is no push to make it easier for people to vote by either party...they already have it divided up like they like it.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:35 PM

60. You misread what I wrote.

I'm closer to the 1% than to the blue collar guys. I think of all fellow human beings as my brothers and sisters, however, and I want to see those brothers and sisters able to survive and thrive even if they aren't Harvard-educated professionals or wealthy bankers.

Plenty of working class people support Hillary. Did I ever say otherwise? But it's time to focus on making government work for people. Re-igniting the smothered flame of the concept of "for the people, by the people".

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:19 AM

29. And he is correct!

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:19 AM

31. When did Axelrod come out against Bernie?

I didn't know he was supporting someone before the primaries....

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:19 AM

32. Goodness knows there have been plenty of similar PsyOps posts here at DU.....


[font size="5"]First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.[/font]


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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:22 AM

34. America tends to elect the reformer....

 

Nixon ran as a reformer. He was going to bridge the generation gap and end the war.

Carter ran as a reformer. He was going to get the taste of Watergate out of our mouths.

Reagan ran as a reformer. He was going to take on the bureaucracy that only existed in his head.

Clinton ran as a reformer. He was going to end "voodoo doodoo".

Dubya ran as a reformer. He was going to bring "honor and integrity back to the White House".

Obama ran as a reformer. He was going to end the wars in the Middle East.

Bernie is running as a reformer.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:42 AM

48. Well, as an alternative...

 

We could vote for the Transformer!

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:23 AM

36. This is what Axelrod actually said recently..

“Do I think Bernie Sanders is going to be the nominee? No, I don’t think that’s likely to happen. But do I think he’s going to get votes? Yeah, I do.”

“People have will have a fling with Bernie. Bernie is like a great fun date because you know he's not going to be around town too long, and I think you're going to see people flirt with that,”

“But I think Hillary's fundamental approach reflects the mainstream of the Democratic Party. I think she’ll be the nominee of the party.”


What wrong with that??

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Response to DCBob (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:14 PM

56. Well it's called "being dismissive" as opposed to respectful, but he's free to say whatever he likes.

""Like a great fun date because you know he's not going to be around too long"..?

He certainly is expected to say stuff like that. And he is out in the limelight saying it ALOT all of a sudden. Every time he speaks now, he's bringing up Bernie dismissively.

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #56)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:34 PM

59. You can respect someone but still think they don't have a prayer of becoming President.

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:23 AM

37. Axelrod's head shot

 

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:28 AM

39. Hey! Axe! Listen up!

You are Encouraging folks like me to actually Support Bernie (if I wasn't already) Because I have long ago recognized along with now (hopefully) Millions and Millions of other voters from all political affiliations; The one You guys (Corp Dem/Corp GOP/Corp Libertarians) Want the Most is the one WE Do NOT Want. We've "been there-done that" Waaaay too many times and I'm personally Done giving You the benefit of my trust.

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:31 AM

42. Money MUST ALWAYS WIN, apparently. n/t

 

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:15 PM

57. You can fight it! Be strong!

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:39 PM

62. Bernie Sanders will NEVER be president.

 

There is no clear path to victory. There i no way to achieve 270 electoral votes for Bernie Sanders.

I guarantee you, If Bernie Sanders is nominated, there is no way for him to win Illinois. No matter what Republican he is up against, he will lose the state of Illinois to that Republican.

Illinois will not be the only blue state to go red if Bernie Sanders is the nominee, either.

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:01 PM

63. Just look into the hypnotoad's eyes

And say "Hillary" over and over...

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:34 PM

64. Sanders / Clinton............in my humble opinion

This is the decision that both of these candidates have foisted upon there individual shoulders a long time ago, when it has comes to trade and other issues-------------------

Sanders:
www.sanders.senate.gov › Newsroom › Recent Business

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/Senate/Vermont/Bernard_Sanders/Views/Trade_Policy/

Clinton:
www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-citizens-united-constitutional...

http://economyincrisis.org/content/hillary-clinton-needs-to-make-up-her-mind-about-free-trade


The next president is going to make recommendations on who they want on the U.S. Supreme Court (if any of them retire or die ) the other legislative body, the third rail supposedly-------------

The current one and a lot of the past ones have eviscerated the workers and the public government function (look at Wisconsin and Kansas) and the general public in this republic since it was founded and have sided on the side of money, because it has been mostly right wing leaning, history shows this --------------not with standing the FDR court and the LBJ court---------has workers and the public gotten some relief.

But (workers and the public) are getting there butts beaten and handed to them in this current court system----------look no further than on card check legislation (still nothing) and elections---------and an old but very consequential decision ---Gore vs Bush.

This was a very fundamental issue for this U.S. Supreme court to tell the state (Florida) to re-count ALL of the votes/ ballots instead of just the counties being requested, that is what judicial oversight is-------that vote.
They used the certification process for the electoral college as the excuse, that was outrageous, in my opinion we became a third rate country going forward--------------

Let's not forget Bush (Jebby) had a hand in that fiasco down there, with, R- Katherine Harris ---just think, if he was in charge-----tomorrow.

He should be asked this question about this issue everyday, (so that he can deflect what his responsibility was, this is his overall character, deflection) --------he failed in the oversight function of the vote

The question is---------which one, if they are elected (any of them) what is there decisions and position on who they place or appoint on this court, and there record of the worker, public government and the public at large and the oligarpghy and other important everyday rights, such as woman's right to privacy, and Voting, ect..........

www.opensecrets.org/parties

I know this is early-----------but it must be placed in the debate now in my opinion, and it is the most important question, the court reflects what it's country is------you / we cannot run from this fact

Because this current MSM will not mention or ask this question, they are looking for infotainment an ratings -----this would tell and explain to the electorate what the candidate wants to do with this democracy, this is the litmus test-------------------

"But then there's Bernie. I want to get a bumper sticker that says, "Bernie: The Real Deal". Just because he's been consistent, straightforward, dependable and NOT bought. Electing him would start a shift from the Plutocracy back toward democracy. "

I will admit I am biased and already have my bumper sticker:

Honk --------for a political revolution------Bernie 2016








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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:03 PM

75. This Axelrod Character was less than impressive in his last job in the UK

working for the now resigned Ed Milliband

President Obama's campaign mastermind suffered a humiliating end to his political career today as the British Labour party he was paid almost $500,000 to help to victory plunged to a catastrophic defeat.

David Axelrod had been touted as the man to get Labour's Ed Miliband into - and the Conservative prime minister David Cameron out of - Downing Street.

Instead he slunk out of Britain early, as his former Obama campaign colleague Jim Messina, who advised the winning Conservatives, crowed over a victory which had 'stunned the world'.

Axelrod had already vowed that he was 'done with campaigns' after complaining bitterly about the British media and saying: 'Anyone who underestimates Ed Miliband does so at their own peril.'...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3073694/Humiliation-Obama-s-election-guru-campaign-David-Axelrod-sees-Labour-shellacked-selling-advice-nearly-500-000-blames-pollsters.html


Axelrod: LOL

It's easy to imagine Axelrod on the Labour bus with Daisy Haggard



^ Ballot Monkeys is one of the funniest political comedies ever filmed

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:09 PM

76. wow! nothing on him at all? Just a prediction? Clean as a whistle!

 

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Response to lostnfound (Original post)

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:15 PM

77. Axelrod should buy a shit load of Mylanta, he's gonna need it, Bernies been in the race for a month

and his numbers are rising.

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