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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:06 AM Jun 2015

Wanna Know Who Made Racism ''Acceptable Again'' in the good ol' USA?

This guy:



In 1980, Reagan declared his candidacy in Philadelphia, Mississippi, the "community" where three Civil Rights marchers were murdered in cold blood.



Reagan, White As Snow

by Alec Dubro
www.tompaine.com/, May 13, 2007

EXCERPT...

Domestically, he opposed every legislative remedy for African Americans, betraying a meanness of spirit and an open racism. As Sidney Blumenthal wrote in The Guardian in 2003:

Reagan opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (calling it "humiliating to the South&quot , and ran for governor of California in 1966 promising to wipe the Fair Housing Act off the books. "If an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house," he said, "he has a right to do so." After the Republican convention in 1980, Reagan traveled to the county fair in Neshoba, Mississippi, where, in 1964, three Freedom Riders had been slain by the Ku Klux Klan. Before an all-white crowd of tens of thousands, Reagan declared: "I believe in states' rights."

It's hard to believe now, but in 1965, a higher percentage of congressional Republicans voted for the Voting Rights Act than Democrats. Reagan, then, wasn't following party tradition; he was making a grab for the white racist vote-and it worked. Southern Democrats abandoned the party en masse for one more welcoming to white supremacy. No wonder so many loved, and still love, the man: He validated people's whiteness.

It's true that Reagan knew enough to occasionally disguise his racism. He appointed Samuel Pierce to head the Department of Housing and Urban Development, where Pierce presided over the halving of housing subsidies. No matter. Reagan couldn't remember the man's name. Once, at a reception for the nation's mayors, he greeted Pierce with a '"Hello, Mr. Mayor." Despite this, a few black conservatives, such as Armstrong Williams, were willing to validate him as someone who knew better than the "civil rights establishment" what was good for African Americans.

But it was in foreign affairs that he showed that he could rise above mere opportunism and flaunt his racism for all the world to see. He was the best friend that South Africa's apartheid government had in the developed world.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/Reagan_WhiteAsSnow.html



When President, he allowed his staff to refer to the slain civil rights leader as "Martin Lucifer Coon."



Anybody wonder who he meant when he conflated "food-stamps, vodka, Cadillacs, and welfare queens"?

Anybody wonder why the United States has rotted from the head down?
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Wanna Know Who Made Racism ''Acceptable Again'' in the good ol' USA? (Original Post) Octafish Jun 2015 OP
Well, I knew who you were talking about before I opened your post... Hissyspit Jun 2015 #1
''Pruneface.'' Octafish Jun 2015 #2
Mayor Young was refreshingly honest navarth Jun 2015 #51
+1 nt Quayblue Jun 2015 #58
Amen! 'The legacy of Saint Reagan is one of treachery, malfeasance and treason IMO.' Surya Gayatri Jun 2015 #162
Murdered thousands of Gay people too randys1 Jun 2015 #201
Yep. n/t Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #120
Lee Atwater, Rove's role model developed the "Southern Strategy" merrily Jun 2015 #3
ATWATER: “You start out in 1954 by saying, ‘Nigger, nigger, nigger'" 66 dmhlt Jun 2015 #5
then they said "crack, crack, crack" mopinko Jun 2015 #41
And then they fell to their knees, lit the incense, and prayed "Yes, Yes, YES!!!" calimary Jun 2015 #64
And when that story was told, they killed the messenger. Octafish Jun 2015 #97
well, it could be. mopinko Jun 2015 #145
I'll say what Prof. McCoy says. Octafish Jun 2015 #164
Big gitter player Octafish Jun 2015 #9
Good grief. What are they doing with their faces and why are they doing it? merrily Jun 2015 #14
There ws an extra $10 prize... bvar22 Jun 2015 #74
I recall seeing that live (or on the news the next day) during GHWB's inauguration Chiyo-chichi Jun 2015 #88
He certainly doesn't look African American when he does that. merrily Jun 2015 #92
Of course not. Chiyo-chichi Jun 2015 #98
Looks like the "duckface" that seems to be so popular on FB & Instagram today 7962 Jun 2015 #174
Me neither, but I guess that was obvious. merrily Jun 2015 #178
posted by MohRokTah napkinz Jun 2015 #17
Chilling. It sounds so current. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #167
Atwater got EXACTLY the karma hifiguy Jun 2015 #47
So it is fine with you for people to suffer for their crimes? Excellent.... MicaelS Jun 2015 #153
it wasn't inflicted by any outside force. hifiguy Jun 2015 #154
Of so it can't be an "Outside Force" huh? MicaelS Jun 2015 #155
I'm perfectly fine with it! He's the perfect candidate for the DP. 7962 Jun 2015 #175
I agree completely. MicaelS Jun 2015 #176
Hey, you've been here before!! 7962 Jun 2015 #179
I hear Atwater repented before he died. madfloridian Jun 2015 #151
Converted to Catholicism, too. Octafish Jun 2015 #180
That's the right answer. But on DU it's tricky to criticize Reagan, many here voted for him and Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #4
In addition to defending Reagan, they defend Bush I, II and the rest of the Crime Family Octafish Jun 2015 #10
Huge +1! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #13
this post says it all heaven05 Jun 2015 #33
"Many here voted for him." Somehow, I doubt that. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #63
I agree with you. pacalo Jun 2015 #90
Can't speak for others Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2015 #184
+1 Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #100
I've never found it tricky. LWolf Jun 2015 #182
He was a horrible man gollygee Jun 2015 #6
If there are such things as historians in the future deutsey Jun 2015 #18
Reagan could not have pulled it off without the willing acquiescence of many who should have known KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #31
and still think heaven05 Jun 2015 #34
Reagan was a fascist piece of shit, going back to his days as Gov. of California when he threatened KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #35
I remember that, even though I was a student in the UK at the time GCP Jun 2015 #57
Reagan called in the National Guard over 4 "dirty words" in The Berkely Barb stuffmatters Jun 2015 #137
No question deutsey Jun 2015 #37
The roots go all the way back to the First Gilded Age. hifiguy Jun 2015 #87
Yes, and the break between Taft and Roosevelt deutsey Jun 2015 #91
I am not so sure about that. hifiguy Jun 2015 #94
Give the interview a listen deutsey Jun 2015 #99
The thing to remember about RWR is that he started as a Cold War Dem. He's the missing link leveymg Jun 2015 #80
Good points all. Simply add a little astrology to the mix and, voila, you've got KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #84
I've been saying that for twenty years. nt hifiguy Jun 2015 #48
Agreed. CrispyQ Jun 2015 #69
Racism is going to get worse as competition for the few good jobs that are still Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #7
Yep. And the GOP messaging that tells white people that PoC are the "takers" cui bono Jun 2015 #72
I was thinking that while he was still in office. Boomerproud Jun 2015 #8
Meh...Reagan was as phony as a 3 dollar bill... Wounded Bear Jun 2015 #11
...because of Reagan, bvar22 Jun 2015 #75
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #12
Bingo deutsey Jun 2015 #15
Racism has always been acceptable in the U.S. sufrommich Jun 2015 #16
+1 gollygee Jun 2015 #21
So you're saying whathehell Jun 2015 #38
I said nothing like what you're claiming I said. nt sufrommich Jun 2015 #39
I didn't claim anything, I asked a question to clarify your statement. whathehell Jun 2015 #40
+1 zappaman Jun 2015 #81
+1. This country was built by African slave labor and the extermination of indigenous peoples YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #103
Maybe that's why Republicans love him so much. He made hate fashionable again. Initech Jun 2015 #19
Bigotry, stupidity and greed. hifiguy Jun 2015 #89
How Ronald Reagan used coded racial appeals to galvanize white voters and gut the middle class Octafish Jun 2015 #191
Rick Perlstein's books recount the entire story in painstaking detail. hifiguy Jun 2015 #205
And that is true, from my own experience. zeemike Jun 2015 #20
So black people were the Pet Rocks of the '70s? sufrommich Jun 2015 #30
Well if that is how you want to spin it. zeemike Jun 2015 #52
To be fair MountCleaners Jun 2015 #206
the Reagan Library is in Simi Valley olddots Jun 2015 #22
the devil incarnate heaven05 Jun 2015 #23
# underpants Jun 2015 #24
Uh....yeah... ileus Jun 2015 #25
Hate radio has also played a huge role in ramping up racial hatred riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #26
He is responsible for much of the backward movement in this country etherealtruth Jun 2015 #27
It was always acceptable JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #28
President John F. Kennedy found racism unacceptable. Octafish Jun 2015 #83
If you are talking Presidents - that's one thing JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #85
+1 YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #106
We were in Alabama when Kennedy was shot, and Dad was working in Huntsville (Apollo program stuff) hatrack Jun 2015 #123
Yeah JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #134
Bolden's story is one far more people should know. hifiguy Jun 2015 #96
Abraham Bolden gets no mention in the history books for a reason. Octafish Jun 2015 #124
Yep. hifiguy Jun 2015 #125
''He called me, 'Mr. Bolden.''' Octafish Jun 2015 #128
Lee Atwater had an army of racists and supremacists he used to political advantage. blm Jun 2015 #29
Do tell! MountCleaners Jun 2015 #207
Lee Atwater had SC wired with his racist hit squad including a group from Bob Jones Univ. blm Jun 2015 #210
And yet in an interview with Mike Wallace in 1988, Ronny couldn't understand why so many muntrv Jun 2015 #32
Yes he did. MuseRider Jun 2015 #36
His mouthpiece: marions ghost Jun 2015 #42
Yup. Octafish Jun 2015 #146
The Powell Memo. calimary Jun 2015 #157
YEAH...this guy yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #161
Actually, the Dixiecrats who revolted against Civil Rights gains in the 60s and became Southern Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #43
This needs to be a Separate Post All On It's Own..... LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #169
''Liberal Media'' - ''Liberal Mind''... So... Octafish Jun 2015 #181
RACISM has always been around and never went out of style. There never was a time when Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #44
What's a bullshit argument? navarth Jun 2015 #55
Saying that racism is "acceptable again" implies that there was a time when racism Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #188
Don't you find it odd when a president leads the racist resurgence? Octafish Jun 2015 #190
Wrong. Nixon led the resurgence. Read again. The Southern Strategy was Nixon's agenda. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #199
That shows how something can be wrong and right at the same time. Octafish Jun 2015 #208
You simply won't admit your mistake. The assertion you made, "Reagan was responsible for racism's Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #211
No, I wrote Reagan was the key figure in its resurgence. Octafish Jun 2015 #212
Yeah, you'd *better* say Reagan ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2015 #45
Reagan was one of the worst Presidents for the poor, the marginalized, the historically oppressed YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #118
Ronald Reagan was crack cocaine for America ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2015 #131
YES!!!! One of the most practically RACIST presidents in US history!! uponit7771 Jun 2015 #46
The Reagan administration was a stain on our country. bigwillq Jun 2015 #49
Reagan did so much to hurt the USA, the mean-spirited asshole. kr PufPuf23 Jun 2015 #50
Well there you go again... liberal N proud Jun 2015 #53
I hate very few people I have never met. 99Forever Jun 2015 #54
I remember it all too well. byronius Jun 2015 #56
good reminder! Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #59
My guess ... GeorgeGist Jun 2015 #172
It's always been acceptable. Solly Mack Jun 2015 #60
It stopped -- for a time, anyway -- in the Oval Office during the Kennedy Administration. Octafish Jun 2015 #193
So what? SpartanDem Jun 2015 #195
So what? Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist Octafish Jun 2015 #198
I'm sorry, Octafish. Racism never stopped being acceptable. Solly Mack Jun 2015 #200
Cause George Wallace was really a PussyCat? One_Life_To_Give Jun 2015 #61
George Wallace had a lot of help from his friends. Octafish Jun 2015 #78
Nat'l assoc of Governors meeting One_Life_To_Give Jun 2015 #95
Really? The AP says 1983. Octafish Jun 2015 #112
July 30th, 1983 One_Life_To_Give Jun 2015 #116
Thanks! Good times. Octafish Jun 2015 #117
I am SOOOOOO bookmarking this thread. Several different ways. calimary Jun 2015 #62
Bookmarked. Octafish Jun 2015 #82
A truly righesous rant, calimary. hifiguy Jun 2015 #108
+++Gold Star Post+++ Agony Jun 2015 #132
Absofrigginlutely! shadowmayor Jun 2015 #140
Welcome to DU, shadowmayor! calimary Jun 2015 #156
Stunning reply shadowmayor Jun 2015 #163
another thing I think he is at fault for d_r Jun 2015 #202
I have a web site on Reagan's racism scoobiedavis Jun 2015 #65
Outstanding Resource! Thank You! Octafish Jun 2015 #186
Thom Harrmann is referencing this right now n/t phylny Jun 2015 #66
"Ronnie Raygun vs. the Welfare Queens From Outer Space!" LongTomH Jun 2015 #67
Thanks for your great posts. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #68
He is called Ray-GUN for a reason. lark Jun 2015 #70
Woodstock had a song about Ronald Raygunzap. Octafish Jun 2015 #76
And Roselyn Carter KT2000 Jun 2015 #71
And he raised greed to sacrament status. calimary Jun 2015 #130
It was never not acceptable. iandhr Jun 2015 #73
Yep, the war on welfare (now conflated with SSI) is code for racism daredtowork Jun 2015 #77
Let's hope whatever it was never returns. Zorra Jun 2015 #79
Jayzus riding a unicycle and juggling fish. hifiguy Jun 2015 #110
As horrendous as the senile old fraud was, he was the symptom and the carrier, hifiguy Jun 2015 #86
Brilliant! Let's make this go viral. nt Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #93
Not to mention he kicked off his Presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi as a symbol of Hoyt Jun 2015 #101
Thanks. I did mention that, though. Octafish Jun 2015 #102
Sorry, I missed that. It's always the first thing I think of when people fawn Hoyt Jun 2015 #104
I am sorry I sound so pedantic...lots of history being rewritten when it comes to fascism. Octafish Jun 2015 #107
I have to admit, I'm on my phone and pretty much just looked at the photo. Just went back Hoyt Jun 2015 #111
Racism has always been acceptable in the US YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #105
Except Reagan worked to reverse the progress other presidents had made. Octafish Jun 2015 #109
Presidents can't do anything progressive without masses of ordinary people demanding that they do it YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #114
That is one cruel and awful person. Guatemala and all the others... SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #113
Reagan was one of the worst since Andrew Jackson. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #149
Well, in all fairness to Ronnie the Empty Suit, Tricky Dick was really pretty bad too: struggle4progress Jun 2015 #115
The difference is that Nixon was caught doing criminal acts YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #119
Ronnie was caught too, but the House decided not to pursue impeachment struggle4progress Jun 2015 #121
Which is to their eternal shame and discredit YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #122
Had Reagan been impeached, his forced testimony would have outed his alzheimers stuffmatters Jun 2015 #141
Would've outted Poppy Bush's treason, too. Octafish Jun 2015 #194
Thom Hartmann referred to your post this morning on his radio show. Cleita Jun 2015 #126
Great thread. K&R (eom) CanSocDem Jun 2015 #127
FTR: Goodman, Chaney, and Schwerner were more than "marchers"; WinkyDink Jun 2015 #129
Thank you. That is an important distinction: ''Workers.'' Octafish Jun 2015 #139
I totally agree gopiscrap Jun 2015 #133
What a monster! Also, for what he was responsible for in South America.... Joe Chi Minh Jun 2015 #135
K&R myrna minx Jun 2015 #136
Don't forget the site of Reagan's first speech after receiving gthe 1980 Republican nomination. bulloney Jun 2015 #138
+1,000 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #152
Philadelphia, Mississippi had a population of about 5,000 and had no significance whatsoever aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2015 #183
Great thread, many thanks, big bookmark! stuffmatters Jun 2015 #142
Sometimes actors come across as pretty superficial, but I often think Joe Chi Minh Jun 2015 #143
A lot of retrograde thinking keeps.... wolfie001 Jun 2015 #144
Reagan also killed sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #147
K&R! I thought it was going to be Poppy Bush refering to Jeb's kids as his "little brown babies".... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #148
Bush Defends 'Little Brown Ones' Term for Grandchildren, Tells 'Pride and Love' Octafish Jun 2015 #185
Thanks for the background and links, Octafish! Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #187
Yes, following in the footsteps of Richard Nixon. Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #150
Bookmarked and K & R. Thanks for restoring some historical perspective to the debate. Surya Gayatri Jun 2015 #158
R#255 & K!1 n/t UTUSN Jun 2015 #159
UTUSN! Octafish Jun 2015 #166
Racism has always been acceptable in the United States. man4allcats Jun 2015 #160
That's why I find it odd for the PRESIDENT to lead its resurgence. Octafish Jun 2015 #165
It was screamed in the 80's, and it was 100% true: Reagan was a god damned puppet. C Moon Jun 2015 #168
Octafish, I can always count on you to cut through the crap. silvershadow Jun 2015 #170
Wow! I so agree..... bobGandolf Jun 2015 #171
Reagan Rafale Jun 2015 #173
I don't think racism has ever acceptable davidpdx Jun 2015 #177
Sec. of Education Terrel H. Bell spoke up. Ask Ed Meese. Octafish Jun 2015 #192
I commend him for that davidpdx Jun 2015 #204
Today in 1964 MinM Jun 2015 #189
Only the most pollyannaish white liberal could ever believe this BS SpartanDem Jun 2015 #196
Hey! That's EXACTLY what my Republican neighbor said! Octafish Jun 2015 #197
don't forget this d_r Jun 2015 #203
Yes.........k and r.. he validated racism for those who need that...nt Stuart G Jun 2015 #209

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
2. ''Pruneface.''
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:22 AM
Jun 2015

Last edited Sun Jun 21, 2015, 10:55 AM - Edit history (1)

The late Detroit Mayor Coleman Young's appellation for Ronald Reagan.



Which, I thought, was honestly refreshing for a sitting mayor. The original Pruneface of popular culture was a Dick Tracy villain, a businessman-cum-NAZI agent, which sounds like the same guy, as well.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
51. Mayor Young was refreshingly honest
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:03 PM
Jun 2015

which is why I voted for him twice. A whole buttload of white people hated him with a passion, blamed him for the exodus of whites from the city. I always called bullshit on that and I still do. I also told them 'show me someone better and I'll vote for him/her'. They never did.

The legacy of Saint Reagan is one of treachery, malfeasance and treason IMO.

66 dmhlt

(1,941 posts)
5. ATWATER: “You start out in 1954 by saying, ‘Nigger, nigger, nigger'"
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:45 AM
Jun 2015

EXACTLY!

“You start out in 1954 by saying, ‘Nigger, nigger, nigger,’ ” said Atwater. “By 1968, you can’t say ‘nigger’ — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things, and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.”


www.nytimes.com/2007/09/25/opinion/25herbert.html

calimary

(81,198 posts)
64. And then they fell to their knees, lit the incense, and prayed "Yes, Yes, YES!!!"
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jun 2015

Praying to st. ronnie.

There aren't enough smilie pukes to put in here. Not enough room for as many as are needed to illustrate this.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
97. And when that story was told, they killed the messenger.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:29 PM
Jun 2015

"It's not a situation where the government or the CIA sat down and said okay, let's invent crack and sell it in black neighborhoods and let's decimate black America. It was a situation where we need money for a covert operation.The quickest way to raise it is to sell cocaine and you guys go sell it somewhere. We don't want to know anything about it. And you had this bad luck of them doing it right around the time people were figuring out how to make crack." -- Gary Webb

SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-levin/gary-webb-was-right_b_6024530.html

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
164. I'll say what Prof. McCoy says.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:20 AM
Jun 2015




Drug Fallout

by Alfred McCoy
Progressive magazine, August 1997

Throughout the forty years of the Cold War, the CIA joined with urban gangsters and rural warlords, many of them major drug dealers, to mount covert operations against communists around the globe. In one of history's accidents, the Iron Curtain fell along the border of the Asian opium zone, which stretches across 5,000 miles of mountains from Turkey to Thailand. In Burma during the 1950s, in Laos during the 1970s, and in Afghanistan during the 1980s, the CIA allied with highland warlords to mobilize tribal armies against the Soviet Union and China.

In each of these covert wars, Agency assets-local informants-used their alliance with the CIA to become major drug lords, expanding local opium production and shipping heroin to international markets, the United States included. Instead of stopping this drug dealing, the Agency tolerated it and, when necessary, blocked investigations. Since ruthless drug lords made effective anti-communist allies and opium amplified their power, CIA agents mounting delicate operations on their own, half a world from home, had no reason to complain. For the drug lords, it was an ideal arrangement. The CIA's major covert operations-often lasting a decade-provided them with de facto immunity within enforcement-free zones.

In Laos in the 1960s, the CIA battled local communists with a secret army of 30,000 Hmong-a tough highland tribe whose only cash crop was opium. A handful of CIA agents relied on tribal leaders to provide troops and Lao generals to protect their cover. When Hmong officers loaded opium on the ClA's proprietary carrier Air America, the Agency did nothing. And when the Lao army's commander, General Ouane Rattikone, opened what was probably the world's largest heroin laboratory, the Agency again failed to act.

"The past involvement of many of these officers in drugs is well known," the ClA's Inspector General said in a still-classified 1972 report, "yet their goodwill . . . considerably facilitates the military activities of Agency-supported irregulars."

Indeed, the CIA had a detailed know ledge of drug trafficking in the Golden Triangle-that remote, rugged corner of Southeast Asia where Burma, Thailand, and Laos converge. In June 1971, The New York Times published extracts from an other CIA report identifying twenty-one opium refineries in the Golden Triangle and stating that the "most important are located in the areas around Tachilek, Burma; Ban Houei Sai and Nam Keung in Laos; and Mae Salong in Thailand." Three of these areas were controlled by CIA allies: Nam Keung by the chief of CIA mercenaries for northwestern Laos; Ban Houei Sai by the commander of the Royal Lao Army; and Mae Salong by the Nationalist Chinese forces who had fought for the Agency in Burma. The CIA stated that the Ban Houei Sai laboratory, which was owned by General Ouane, was ' believed capable of processing 100 kilos of raw opium per day," or 3.6 tons of heroin a year-a vast output considering the total yearly U.S. consumption of heroin was then less than ten tons.

By 1971, 34 percent of all U.S. soldiers in South Vietnam were heroin addicts, according to a White House survey. There were more American heroin addicts in South Vietnam than in the entire United States-largely supplied from heroin laboratories operated by CIA allies, though the White House failed to acknowledge that unpleasant fact. Since there was no indigenous local market, Asian drug lords started shipping Golden Triangle heroin not consumed by the GIs to the United States, where it soon won a significant share of the illicit market.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/CIAdrug_fallout.html



Odd how know the CIA, NSA and the rest of the secret government are gaining power to protect their secrets while simultaneously authorized to spy on American citizens, the famous We the People who are supposed to be their bosses. So, that'd be one way of thinking ahead.

Chiyo-chichi

(3,578 posts)
88. I recall seeing that live (or on the news the next day) during GHWB's inauguration
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:16 PM
Jun 2015

My thought was at the time--and has always been--that it was blatantly racist.

That was Lee Atwater's "blues face." He did it all the time when he played... even before he learned to play an actual guitar.

From www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/brady-bad.html:
"Lee's addictive personality pulled him back into the spotlight, where he basked in crowd approval. He loved being the center of attention and could always devise a way of putting himself there. At school dances, he would get onstage and dance around, playing air guitar, mugging with his 'blues face,' upstaging acts, creating dance contests in the area right in front of the stage. Afterward he would apologize to Debbie for behavior that must have struck her as being compulsive. 'I know I acted badly,' he would say on the phone the next day. 'I hope you'll still go out with me.' "

"Blues face."

He was on the stage with African-American musicians.

That was his impression of what blues musicians looked like.

Racist. as. hell.

Chiyo-chichi

(3,578 posts)
98. Of course not.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:31 PM
Jun 2015

But in his racist mind, I think he thought he did.

https://books.google.com/books?id=RLRzAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA102&dq=lee+atwater+and+the+destruction+of+black+music&hl=en&sa=X&ei=J2uEVd6WJcSyoQSew4CYBg&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

&quot Atwater's) first act was to organize an inaugural party that he told the media, without any irony, would be 'the Woodstock of rhythm and blues."

"...When Lee Atwater played the blues, he frowned, pursed his lips, and jutted his chin forward. He got on his knees and fell back like a believer catching the spirit. He exploded into a manic dance that ended in James Brown splits. He screamed and made that grimacing smile. If it all looked like something you might have seen before, maybe it was--Atwater playing Michael J. Fox playing Marty McFly playing his parents' desegregated 1955 high school dance in Back to the Future."

"This neocon boogie made perfect sense. Reaganites had tried to evoke imperialist nostalgia--transfiguring the memory of the thing destroyed into beautiful, romantic delusion. Native American author David Treuer called the performance 'kill the Indians, then copy them.' Ishmael Reed summed up the performance in a word: 'Blackface.'"

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
174. Looks like the "duckface" that seems to be so popular on FB & Instagram today
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 08:34 AM
Jun 2015

I still dont get it

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
153. So it is fine with you for people to suffer for their crimes? Excellent....
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:29 PM
Jun 2015

That sounds fine to me. When Roof get's the Death Penalty he so richly deserves, I don't want to read shit about that.

Or is it only "acceptable" for some nebulous "Karma" or "Fate", not a non-existent "Higher Power", to deal out suffering and punishment?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
154. it wasn't inflicted by any outside force.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jun 2015

I prefer to think that Atwater was consumed by his own evil. And that is justice.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
155. Of so it can't be an "Outside Force" huh?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:55 PM
Jun 2015

And I thought that many here really didn't believe in Evil.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
175. I'm perfectly fine with it! He's the perfect candidate for the DP.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 08:38 AM
Jun 2015

There is ZERO doubt as to his guilt. The only reason, to me, to stop the death penalty is to stop the possible execution of an innocent.
I have said for years that the DP should only be applied in cases where there is NO DOUBT as to the guilt of the accused. This is one of those. The Atlanta courthouse shooter is another. There are many cases where there is NO DOUBT the person is guilty.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
176. I agree completely.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 08:55 AM
Jun 2015

This little fucker deserves it. The sooner the better. Yet if he does get it, there will be much weeping and wailing about how unjust it is for him and us, and statements of "not in my name", etc, etc.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
180. Converted to Catholicism, too.
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 11:20 AM
Jun 2015

WIKI EXCERPT...

Conversion to Catholicism and new outlook[edit]

In the months after the severity of his illness became apparent, Atwater said he had converted to Catholicism, through the help of Father John Hardon[19] and, in an act of repentance, Atwater issued a number of public and written letters to individuals to whom he had been opposed during his political career. In a June 28, 1990, letter to Tom Turnipseed, he stated, "It is very important to me that I let you know that out of everything that has happened in my career, one of the low points remains the so-called 'jumper cable' episode," adding, "My illness has taught me something about the nature of humanity, love, brotherhood and relationships that I never understood, and probably never would have. So, from that standpoint, there is some truth and good in everything."[6]

In a February 1991 article for Life magazine, Atwater wrote:

My illness helped me to see that what was missing in society is what was missing in me: a little heart, a lot of brotherhood. The '80s were about acquiring—acquiring wealth, power, prestige. I know. I acquired more wealth, power, and prestige than most. But you can acquire all you want and still feel empty. What power wouldn't I trade for a little more time with my family? What price wouldn't I pay for an evening with friends? It took a deadly illness to put me eye to eye with that truth, but it is a truth that the country, caught up in its ruthless ambitions and moral decay, can learn on my dime. I don't know who will lead us through the '90s, but they must be made to speak to this spiritual vacuum at the heart of American society, this tumor of the soul.[20]


The article was notable for an apology to Michael Dukakis for the "naked cruelty" of the 1988 presidential election campaign.[20][21]

Ed Rollins, however, stated in the 2008 documentary Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story, that "[Atwater] was telling this story about how a Living Bible was what was giving him faith and I said to Mary (Matalin), 'I really, sincerely hope that he found peace.' She said, 'Ed, when we were cleaning up his things afterwards, the Bible was still wrapped in the cellophane and had never been taken out of the package,' which just told you everything there was. He was spinning right to the end."[13]

SOURCE w/links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
4. That's the right answer. But on DU it's tricky to criticize Reagan, many here voted for him and
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:41 AM
Jun 2015

a multiplicity of current Democrats were in his Party or administration, Jim Webb, Lincoln Chafee, Elizabeth Warren were all loyal Republicans through out and beyond the Reagan/Bush years. Of course that means they responded to the racist, anti gay message of entitled piracy that Party embodied. Which means that these people really need to explain themselves in detail.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. In addition to defending Reagan, they defend Bush I, II and the rest of the Crime Family
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:14 AM
Jun 2015

Poppy was a figurehead.



George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of ‘Counter-Terrorism’

By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly 58

A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.

During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.

Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.

The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.

SNIP...

Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.

SNIP...

NSDD 159. MANAGEMENT OF U.S. COVERT OPERATIONS, (TOP SECRET/VEIL‑SENSITIVE), JAN. 18,1985

The Reagan administration's commitment to significantly expand covert operations had been clear since before the 1980 election. How such operations were actually to be managed from day to day, however, was considerably less certain. The management problem became particularly knotty owing to legal requirements to notify congressional intelligence oversight committees of covert operations, on the one hand, and the tacitly accepted presidential mandate to deceive those same committees concerning sensitive operations such as the Contra war in Nicaragua, on the other.

[font color="green"]The solution attempted in NSDD 159 was to establish a small coordinating committee headed by Vice President George Bush through which all information concerning US covert operations was to be funneled. The order also established a category of top secret information known as Veil, to be used exclusively for managing records pertaining to covert operations.

The system was designed to keep circulation of written records to an absolute minimum while at the same time ensuring that the vice president retained the ability to coordinate US covert operations with the administration's overt diplomacy and propaganda.

Only eight copies of NSDD 159 were created. The existence of the vice president's committee was itself highly classified.
[/font color] The directive became public as a result of the criminal prosecutions of Oliver North, John Poindexter, and others involved in the Iran‑Contra affair, hence the designation "Exhibit A" running up the left side of the document.

CONTINUED...

CovertAction Quarterly no 58 Fall 1996 pp31-40.

For those wondering why the Rich keep getting Richer.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
33. this post says it all
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jun 2015

about the hypocrisy of some very well known "progressives and liberals". And yes I would like to hear from them myself as to why they voted for keeping POC as Reagan wished them to be kept. I see now why the fact of Sen. warren being a reagan republican is passed over so quickly when there are questions about that fact.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
63. "Many here voted for him." Somehow, I doubt that.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:51 PM
Jun 2015

In fact, that seems like a smear of DU.

Some here may support politicians who have evolved out of the Republican Party. People can change, you know.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
100. +1
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:32 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:08 AM - Edit history (1)

This.

I know at least one prolific poster and Reaganite who won't touch this thread with a ten foot pole.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
182. I've never found it tricky.
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 12:36 PM
Jun 2015

I lay a great deal of the problems in the modern U.S. at the feet of Ronald Reagan, and I have done so SINCE his time.

Ironically, he is the only U.S. President I've ever seen speak live and in person. I despised him, and I knew I wouldn't like what he had to say, but I went anyway because he was the president, and I knew I might not have the opportunity again.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
6. He was a horrible man
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:48 AM
Jun 2015

and it's no surpise that the same people longing for the "good old days," ignoring that they were also the days of Jim Crow and lynchings, are also fans of Reagan.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
18. If there are such things as historians in the future
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:37 AM
Jun 2015

I believe many will mark the ascendancy of Reagan as what finally killed what remained of the American republic and set into motion our eventual collapse as a society.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
31. Reagan could not have pulled it off without the willing acquiescence of many who should have known
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:54 AM
Jun 2015

better (and probably did know better). I'm thinking of his strike-breaking vis-a-vis PATCO and the supine indifference of the AFL-CIO, Teamsters and other major labor players who could have and should have shut the country down with a general strike, thereby calling 'Blood in the Street' Reagan's bluff.

There's a reason it was called the "Me Generation" and it ain't all Reagan. Hell, I'd wager that half the people who post on this board think Reagan was fully justified in busting PATCO.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
35. Reagan was a fascist piece of shit, going back to his days as Gov. of California when he threatened
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jun 2015

to gun down California college and university students for exercising their First Amendment rights to protest against the Vietnam War. Can't believe anyone gives that asshole a pass, but I think you're probably correct. Although he had some flaws as Prez (think Indonesia, for example, or the Shah entering the U.S.), Carter is a saint compared to Reagan.

GCP

(8,166 posts)
57. I remember that, even though I was a student in the UK at the time
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:17 PM
Jun 2015

Our student newspaper kept us apprised of what was happening in the States, and I remember well how Reagan was viewed by people like me.
I'm a proud boomer, and I never fell for his crap. The tragedy was, we moved to the States Oct 1980, in time to see him win against Carter.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
137. Reagan called in the National Guard over 4 "dirty words" in The Berkely Barb
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:12 PM
Jun 2015

I always credit that Regan act of hysterical fascism with defining and spreading the global student revolution .... to me Reagan's true contribution to "bringing down the Berlin Wall."

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
37. No question
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:06 AM
Jun 2015

He was a willing and eager stooge/figurehead, in the exact opposite way of Smedly Butler (who refused to participate in a Wall Street plot to overthrow FDR and serve as its figurehead).

I also believe that the roots of the "Reagan Revolution" at least go back to the "Me Decade", especially the self-involved, hedonistic latter half of that decade.

Reagan helped to put a smiling, grandfatherly mask on a massive right-wing, corporatist reaction that began to emerge among the elites back in the mid-'70s.

Too many fell for it then and continue to be duped by it now.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
87. The roots go all the way back to the First Gilded Age.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jun 2015

The Business Plot foiled by Gen. Butler was only its first manifestation. They were subsequently stymied by FDR's immense personal popularity. See my post below.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
91. Yes, and the break between Taft and Roosevelt
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:21 PM
Jun 2015

apparently was a pivotal moment in this development.

I heard about it yesterday in the radio interview at this link:

https://kpfa.org/episode/letters-and-politics-june-18-2015/

I guess you could argue that all of this goes back to the American Revolution and the tension between those loyal to the King and those more radical revolutionaries.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
94. I am not so sure about that.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:26 PM
Jun 2015

The era when the first great American fortunes arose - Morgan, Carnegie, Vanderbilt, Rockefeller - was when the monied class awoke to its own class identity and began to try to buy the government.

And behind every great fortune is a great crime.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
99. Give the interview a listen
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:31 PM
Jun 2015

She wasn't saying the origin was with Taft/Roosevelt, just that it was a pivotal moment in the split between more progressive Republicans and those that are in power now.

In terms of the royalism (interesting that FDR referred to his enemies as "economic royalists&quot , many in those Gilded Age families you mention and their ilk were all gaga over the aristocrats and monarchy in England and Europe. Twain satirized that tendency pretty well in Connecticut Yankee, imo.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
80. The thing to remember about RWR is that he started as a Cold War Dem. He's the missing link
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:27 PM
Jun 2015

between the McCarthyite purges of the Hollywood Left and the rise of the Reagan Dems that are still very much with us. Reagan was a Democrat and head of the Screen Actors Guild during the 1940s at the same time that he was "Agent T-10" spying for J Edgar Hoover against progressives in his own union. He has come to personify the Rightwing of the Democratic Party -- the original business-labor alliance for war -- that make up the base of Hillary Clinton's machine.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
84. Good points all. Simply add a little astrology to the mix and, voila, you've got
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:04 PM
Jun 2015

the Reagan presidency in all its glory. That's where I first cut my teeth politically in the anti-nuke and anti-apartheid campaigns (later working with CISPES on Central American issues).

CrispyQ

(36,451 posts)
69. Agreed.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:31 PM
Jun 2015

American culture adopted his "Greed is good" motto & any concern for community went out the window. We went full on 'individual over community.' I know democrats who voted for Reagan. They were fairly well to do, economically.

The GOP took control of the media & the message. Liberals bad. Greed good. Ketchup is a vegetable. And the dems didn't do a damned thing, except move to the right.

And here we are. A skewed playing field, a shredded social safety net, & no voice for the People.

Baitball Blogger

(46,699 posts)
7. Racism is going to get worse as competition for the few good jobs that are still
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:50 AM
Jun 2015

out there continues to grow.

That's why the TPP concept is going to makes things much, much worse. Washington D.C can talk about racism all they want, but if they don't improve the job situation and wage situation in America, what you're going to see is increased competition for jobs which will only reinforce the "tighten the wagons" mentality in Anglo-oriented sectors. Expect to see more of what we have today. White-oriented private sector groups taking over local and state governments to ensure that they protect their own.

And unconnected young white men, like this church killer, who aren't part of this blessed inner circle will continue to take their wrath out on minorities because that's all he sees. If he can't recognize the entitled groups in this country, he will assume that all his personal woes are coming from the ranks of minorities groups.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
72. Yep. And the GOP messaging that tells white people that PoC are the "takers"
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:46 PM
Jun 2015

and getting all those "handouts" really gets those uninformed racists going.

Boomerproud

(7,951 posts)
8. I was thinking that while he was still in office.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:01 AM
Jun 2015

His whole philosophy was "Hey white guys, you are being screwing by blacks, women and the whole government system is set up to bring you down and hold you there." All delivered in that syrupy voice that I hate listening to to this day. The only thing I can say about him was that he wasn't a phony-he really believed what he was saying to the detriment of all of us.

Wounded Bear

(58,637 posts)
11. Meh...Reagan was as phony as a 3 dollar bill...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jun 2015

He was an actor, for christ's sake. Not a very good one, but an actor in the role of a lifetime, pretending to be President of the US, and not in a B-grade movie.

I may not hate the man as much as I should, but I hate the manipulative bastards that pulled his puppet strings. He was the epitome of figurehead.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
75. ...because of Reagan,
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jun 2015

..The World was entertained by a stream of privileged, white racists
saying, "Reagan let us feel good about ourselves again."

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
16. Racism has always been acceptable in the U.S.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jun 2015

There is no magical era when it wasn't. Reagan didn't create it out of thin air,Atwater knew racism is acceptable in huge swathes of this country and took advantage of it.

whathehell

(29,065 posts)
38. So you're saying
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:13 AM
Jun 2015

there's been no improvement since the Civil Rights era of the 1960's?

I'm sorry, but that is simply untrue.

whathehell

(29,065 posts)
40. I didn't claim anything, I asked a question to clarify your statement.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jun 2015

When you say "racism has always been acceptable in America" I'd say yes, but to WIDELY varying degrees.

Thankfully, it is now not even nearly as "acceptable" as it was back in the 1950's when I was growing up.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
103. +1. This country was built by African slave labor and the extermination of indigenous peoples
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:39 PM
Jun 2015

Along with the labor of impoverished working class people (including women and children) in general, but nothing compares to slavery and the color line, which predates the formal founding of this country by more than 100 years.

It's in the historical DNA of the American Republic. You can deny that reality all you want, but it's the historical truth.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
191. How Ronald Reagan used coded racial appeals to galvanize white voters and gut the middle class
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:56 AM
Jun 2015
The racism at the heart of the Reagan presidency

How Ronald Reagan used coded racial appeals to galvanize white voters and gut the middle class

by IAN HANEY-LOPEZ
Salon, Jan. 11, 2014

EXCERPT...

Ronald Reagan

Why did Ronald Reagan do so well among white voters? Certainly elements beyond race contributed, including the faltering economy, foreign events (especially in Iran), the nation’s mood, and the candidates’ temperaments. But one indisputable factor was the return of aggressive race-baiting. A year after Reagan’s victory, a key operative gave what was then an anonymous interview, and perhaps lulled by the anonymity, he offered an unusually candid response to a question about Reagan, the Southern strategy, and the drive to attract the “Wallace voter”:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “N—, n—, n—.” (Editor's note: The actual word used by Atwater has been replaced with "N—" for the purposes of this article.) By 1968 you can’t say “n—” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut taxes and we want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N—, n—.” So anyway you look at it, race is coming on the back burner.


This analysis was provided by a young Lee Atwater. Its significance is two fold: First, it offers an unvarnished account of Reagan’s strategy. Second, it reveals the thinking of Atwater himself, someone whose career traced the rise of GOP dog whistle politics. A protégé of the pro-segregationist Strom Thurmond in South Carolina, the young Atwater held Richard Nixon as a personal hero, even describing Nixon’s Southern strategy as “a blue print for everything I’ve done.” After assisting in Reagan’s initial victory, Atwater became the political director of Reagan’s 1984 campaign, the manager of George Bush’s 1988 presidential campaign, and eventually the chair of the Republican National Committee. In all of these capacities, he drew on the quick sketch of dog whistle politics he had offered in 1981: from “n—, n—, n—” to “states’ rights” and “forced busing,” and from there to “cutting taxes”—and linking all of these, “race . . . coming on the back burner.”

When Reagan picked up the dog whistle in 1980, the continuity in technique nevertheless masked a crucial difference between him versus Wallace and Nixon. Those two had used racial appeals to get elected, yet their racially reactionary language did not match reactionary political positions. Political moderates, both became racial demagogues when it became clear that this would help win elections. Reagan was different. Unlike Wallace and Nixon, Reagan was not a moderate, but an old-time Goldwater conservative in both the ideological and racial senses, with his own intuitive grasp of the power of racial provocation. For Reagan, conservatism and racial resentment were inextricably fused.

In the early 1960s, Reagan was still a minor actor in Hollywood, but he was becoming increasingly active in conservative politics. When Goldwater decided to run for president, Reagan emerged as a fierce partisan. Reagan’s advocacy included a stock speech, given many times over, that drummed up support for Goldwater with overwrought balderdash such as the following:

“We are faced with the most evil enemy mankind has known in his long climb from the swamp to the stars. There can be no security anywhere in the free world if there is no fiscal and economic stability within the United States. Those who ask us to trade our freedom for the soup kitchen of the welfare state are architects of a policy of accommodation.” Reagan’s rightwing speechifying didn’t save Goldwater, but it did earn Reagan a glowing reputation among Republican groups in California, which led to his being recruited to run for governor of California in 1966. During that campaign, he wed his fringe politics to early dog whistle themes, for instance excoriating welfare, calling for law and order, and opposing government efforts to promote neighborhood integration. He also signaled blatant hostility toward civil rights, supporting a state ballot initiative to allow racial discrimination in the housing market, proclaiming: “If an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house, it is his right to do so.”


Reagan’s race-baiting continued when he moved to national politics. After securing the Republican nomination in 1980, Reagan launched his official campaign at a county fair just outside Philadelphia, Mississippi, the town still notorious in the national imagination for the Klan lynching of civil rights volunteers James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner 16 years earlier. Reagan selected the location on the advice of a local official, who had written to the Republican National Committee assuring them that the Neshoba County Fair was an ideal place for winning “George Wallace inclined voters.” Neshoba did not disappoint. The candidate arrived to a raucous crowd of perhaps 10,000 whites chanting “We want Reagan! We want Reagan!”—and he returned their fevered embrace by assuring them, “I believe in states’ rights.” In 1984, Reagan came back, this time to endorse the neo-Confederate slogan “the South shall rise again.” As New York Times columnist Bob Herbert concludes, “Reagan may have been blessed with a Hollywood smile and an avuncular delivery, but he was elbow deep in the same old race-baiting Southern strategy of Goldwater and Nixon.”

Reagan also trumpeted his racial appeals in blasts against welfare cheats. On the stump, Reagan repeatedly invoked a story of a “Chicago welfare queen” with “eighty names, thirty addresses, [and] twelve Social Security cards [who] is collecting veteran’s benefits on four non-existing deceased husbands. She’s got Medicaid, getting food stamps, and she is collecting welfare under each of her names. Her tax-free cash income is over $150,000.” Often, Reagan placed his mythical welfare queen behind the wheel of a Cadillac, tooling around in flashy splendor. Beyond propagating the stereotypical image of a lazy, larcenous black woman ripping off society’s generosity without remorse, Reagan also implied another stereotype, this one about whites: they were the workers, the tax payers, the persons playing by the rules and struggling to make ends meet while brazen minorities partied with their hard-earned tax dollars. More directly placing the white voter in the story, Reagan frequently elicited supportive outrage by criticizing the food stamp program as helping “some young fellow ahead of you to buy a T-bone steak” while “you were waiting in line to buy hamburger.” This was the toned-down version. When he first field-tested the message in the South, that “young fellow” was more particularly described as a “strapping young buck.” The epithet “buck” has long been used to conjure the threatening image of a physically powerful black man often one who defies white authority and who lusts for white women. When Reagan used the term “strapping young buck,” his whistle shifted dangerously toward the fully audible range. “Some young fellow” was less overtly racist and so carried less risk of censure, and worked just as well to provoke a sense of white victimization.

Voters heard Reagan’s dog whistle. In 1980, “Reagan’s racially coded rhetoric and strategy proved extraordinarily effective, as 22 percent of all Democrats defected from the party to vote for Reagan.” Illustrating the power of race in the campaign, “the defection rate shot up to 34 percent among those Democrats who believed civil rights leaders were pushing too fast.” Among those who felt “the government should not make any special effort to help [blacks] because they should help themselves,” 71 percent voted for Reagan.

CONTINUED...

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/11/the_racism_at_the_heart_of_the_reagan_presidency/

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
205. Rick Perlstein's books recount the entire story in painstaking detail.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:25 PM
Jun 2015

"Before The Storm" "Nixonland" and "The Invisible Bridge" are essential reading for anyone who wants to understand the political swamp in which we now find ourselves. Can't recommend them highly enough.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
20. And that is true, from my own experience.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:38 AM
Jun 2015

In the 70s it was cool to have black friends...in fact it was not cool if you had a party and did not have some black people there...they were in great demand as friends and we all had them.

That all changed in the 80s.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
30. So black people were the Pet Rocks of the '70s?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:53 AM
Jun 2015

That's what is so ridiculous about this argument that Reagan magically conjered racism out of thin air. You're whole argument is that at one time black people were fashionable accessories and then they weren't. All you're really proving with statements like this is that there was once a very thin veneer of "acceptance" that meant nothing at all.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
52. Well if that is how you want to spin it.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jun 2015

But it was a sincere effort to integrate them into our society.

And there was nothing magic about what Reagan did...he launched a campaign to make it not cool and to view black people as grifters and welfare queens...and it worked.

But excuse me if my personal experiences offend your narrative...what ever that might be.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
206. To be fair
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:37 PM
Jun 2015

The Reaganites made it clear that things had gone "too far" in the 1970's. They themselves made it clear they wanted some changes.

I was a kid when Reagan took office. I had no idea what a "conservative" was. After only a couple of months, I was sick to my stomach. They made it clear it was war on "liberals". Well, I knew I was one! I've been politically left ever since. The eighties were a particularly mean-spirited decade. Never again!

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
22. the Reagan Library is in Simi Valley
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:44 AM
Jun 2015

where the Rodney King Jury was from ,it is a very ,very white town once the home of lots of police .Coincedence ?
Ronny himself was just a dupe to dupe the pukes who believe in a fairytale make believe America as real as crumbling abandened movie set .

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
23. the devil incarnate
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:44 AM
Jun 2015

followed by in 1990, the devil incarnate, followed by in 2000 by the thieving, racist devil incarnate of the type that this country's RW keeps producing. I celebrated the day Reagan died. I was so happy to think of his body rotting and stinking in a grave somewhere. Wish it was an unmarked grave, would be more fitting.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
26. Hate radio has also played a huge role in ramping up racial hatred
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:50 AM
Jun 2015

especially with Obama in office - he's provided a loci for their fury. Their despicable rants on the President's "policies" and Michelle Obama's activism are thinly veiled racial attacks.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
27. He is responsible for much of the backward movement in this country
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:50 AM
Jun 2015

... including the backward movement related to race.

the lunatic republicans that followed perfected and escalated the backward motion

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
28. It was always acceptable
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:53 AM
Jun 2015

That 12 years up through 1976 - it wasn't unacceptable at all. It's expression was just being refined - that's all.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
83. President John F. Kennedy found racism unacceptable.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jun 2015
Secret Service didn't like African Americans in 1963. Ask Agent Abraham Bolden.

Former U.S. Secret Service Agent Abraham BOLDEN was the first African American Secret Service agent to serve in the White House, personally appointed and literally hand-picked by President John F. Kennedy to the White House detail. Agent Abraham Bolden reported overt racism by his fellow agents and outright hostility toward the "n------loving president," quoting fellow Secret Service agents on the JFK detail.

In addition to enduring all manner of personal indignities, he was concerned at the lack of professionalism in those assigned to protect the president and reported his concerns. He was told, "OK. Thanks" by his superiors. When the problems weren't addressed, Bolden requested transfer back to the Secret Service office in Chicago.



Abraham Bolden speaks at JFK Lancer.



The story of a man who told the truth:



After 45 Years, a Civil Rights Hero Waits for Justice

Thom Hartmann
June 12, 2009 11:52 AM

A great miscarriage of justice has kept most Americas from learning about a Civil Rights pioneer who worked with President John F. Kennedy. But there is finally a way for citizens to not only right that wrong, but bring closure to the most tragic chapter of American presidential history.

After an outstanding career in law enforcement, Abraham Bolden was appointed by JFK to be the first African American presidential Secret Service agent, where he served with distinction. He was part of the Secret Service effort that prevented JFK's assassination in Chicago, three weeks before Dallas. But Bolden was framed by the Mafia and arrested on the very day he went to Washington to tell the Warren Commission staff about the Chicago attempt against JFK.

Bolden was sentenced to six years in prison, despite glaring problems with his prosecution. His arrest resulted from accusations by two criminals Bolden had sent to prison. In Bolden's first trial, an apparently biased judge told the jury that Bolden was guilty, even before they began their deliberations. Though granted a new trial because of that, the same problematic judge was assigned to oversee Bolden's second trial, which resulted in his conviction. Later, the main witness against Bolden admitted committing perjury against him. A key member of the prosecution even took the fifth when asked about the perjury. Yet Bolden's appeals were denied, and he had to serve hard time in prison, and today is considered a convicted felon.

After the release of four million pages of JFK assassination files in the 1990s, it became clear that Bolden -- and the official secrecy surrounding the Chicago attempt against JFK -- were due to National Security concerns about Cuba, that were unknown to Bolden, the press, Congress, and the public not just in 1963, but for the next four decades.

SNIP...

Abraham Bolden paid a heavy price for trying to tell the truth about events involving the man he was sworn to protect -- JFK -- that became mired in National Security concerns. Bolden still lives in Chicago, and has never given up trying to clear his name.

Will Abraham Bolden live to finally see the justice so long denied to him?

CONTINUED...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thom-hartmann/after-45-years-a-civil-ri_b_213834.html



After the assassination, he went to Washington on his own dime and reported what he saw to the Warren Commission. For his trouble -- and despite an exemplary record as a Brinks detective, Illinois State Trooper, and Secret Service agent -- Bolden was framed by the government using a paid informant's admitted perjury and spent a long time in prison. The government also drugged him and put him into psychiatric hospitals.His real crime was telling the truth.

Americans know the Truth: the country hasn't been the same since Nov. 22, 1963, from matters of peace and prosperity to justice and equality. President Kennedy kept the nation out of Vietnam and started toward the moon. Imagine what the New Frontier could have become for us today? Certainly would not be a time where "money trumps peace."

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
85. If you are talking Presidents - that's one thing
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:06 PM
Jun 2015

But those are individuals.

My mom has told me stories about a few of her friends coming into school and being smug right after Kennedy died - this was up in Lake Tahoe. Not everyone loved him.

The John Birchers never went away - they are insidious and it is beyond the reach of leadership.

Then again - I don't have a deep belief in 'leadership' the farther it gets away from me. On foreign policy, managing the military, etc. etc. - yes -

On issues that reach to the core of who and what we are? That's up to us to solve.

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
123. We were in Alabama when Kennedy was shot, and Dad was working in Huntsville (Apollo program stuff)
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jun 2015

The way he told it, word spread that Kennedy had been assassinated, and a lot of the guys on his floor started cheering and applauding, making dinner reservations, the whole nine yards.

Anyway, the New Frontier/German Scientist all-American veneer where he worked was pretty thin, it seems.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
124. Abraham Bolden gets no mention in the history books for a reason.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:28 PM
Jun 2015

The great author and journalist Edwin Black broke the story, "The Plot to Kill JFK in Chicago," way back in 1975 or so. Scribd has a copy, posted by Mr. Black (an outstanding author, New York Times journalist, and a good friend of someone I met once):

http://www.scribd.com/doc/49710299/The-Chicago-Plot-to-Kill-JFK

On the above article, from Edwin Black:



This file has been transcribed from a poor set of photo-copies. The images in those photocopies are, at best, very poor and I chose not to include them except to reference them and provide any subtext attached.The text in the original article was formatted in one to three columns per page and, to make referencing the original a bit easier, I’ve referenced those columns as well. I hope I’ve maintained the integrity of the original article to everyone’s satisfaction.

But first…

Five years ago on a commission from Atlantic Monthly, I began investigating a Chicago conspiracy to assassinate President John F. Kennedy just 20 days before Dallas. When I asked the wrong questions and came too close to sensitive information, I was followed and investigated by a Defense Intelligence Agency (D. I. A.) operative. By examining my own file, I identified him and embarrassed the DIA into halting the harassment. There's a record of their "project" in the credit bureau where it began, Credit Information Corporation. (named Cook County credit bureau at the time). The DIA's inquiry listed my employer as Atlantic Monthly although, that assignment was my only work for the magazine.

Unfortunately, the harassment didn't end until after my apartment was broken into. No valuables were taken. But all my files were obviously and clumsily searched.

But that was five years ago, before Watergate, a different era. Today, when reporters edge close to dirty government secrets, it is the agencies who become nervous. And they think thrice before attempting the retaliation and tactics once common to the game.

My investigation, revived within the past eight months, took me to New York, Long Island,Houston and Washington as well as through courts, warehouses, police stations and federal offices in Chicago. Hundreds of hours scrutinizing federal, state and local documents,dozens of interviews, hundreds of leads. And always with the Secret Service and FBI working against me, doing what they could to make the investigation tedious, time-consuming, and expensive. Perhaps they hoped the investigation would just disappear after all the obstructions.

I hope they now know they must come up with the answers. It is simply unacceptable to wait until the 21st century for the release of seventy or so top secret Warren Commission documents.

(image: Edwin Black’s signature)



Bolden saw what the Secret Service did and knew what they didn't do. When he pointed out dereliction of duty, the government railroaded him. Thank you for understanding what this means and caring about justice and democracy, hifiguy!
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
125. Yep.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jun 2015

James Douglass devotes a fair amount of space to that in "JFK And The Unspeakable." And that is why Bolden was harassed, framed and jailed.

blm

(113,040 posts)
29. Lee Atwater had an army of racists and supremacists he used to political advantage.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:53 AM
Jun 2015

BushInc had been tapping into Lee Atwater's personal stash of white supremacists since the 70s.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
207. Do tell!
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 09:00 PM
Jun 2015

I'd like to hear more about this.

I've been talking with acquaintances about the recent white supremacist's donations to candidates and they seemed to think this was a recent thing.

Hasn't the far right been openly supporting the Republicans for decades?

blm

(113,040 posts)
210. Lee Atwater had SC wired with his racist hit squad including a group from Bob Jones Univ.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 11:34 PM
Jun 2015

Lee Atwater on the Southern Strategy.

The late, legendarily brutal campaign consultant Lee Atwater explains how Republicans can win the vote of racists without sounding racist themselves:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”


http://www.thenation.com/article/170841/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
32. And yet in an interview with Mike Wallace in 1988, Ronny couldn't understand why so many
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:55 AM
Jun 2015

African Americans thought he was a racist.

MuseRider

(34,104 posts)
36. Yes he did.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:06 AM
Jun 2015

He single handedly stopped the masses who were working, at that time, to be better people.

Since he came out with his aww shucks you might be racist but that does not mean you are a bad person crap, people just said to hell with working to be better. I will work to be richer and have more toys and if I am not the best person it does not matter.

We have become a cruel and uncaring, selfish nation. He pit us against each other and patted our heads.

I will never forget that moment when it felt like everything kinda lay on it's side and then flipped over.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
146. Yup.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:41 PM
Jun 2015

As the Powell Memorandum made clear a decade earlier, the right needed to spend whatever was necessary to get its "message" out. So William Casey went on a tear and his "old company," Capital Cities, decided to do a leveraged buy-out of ABC. Giving the right a voice fell to Flushbo.



ABC and the rise of Rush Limbaugh

The following brief history of ABC offers a perfect snapshot of everything that has gone wrong with the media. This remarkable story includes ABC's takeover by a conservative parent corporation, the demise of the Fairness Doctrine, the rightward shift of the evening news, the rise of conservative talk radio, and the cozy relationship between a state and a press that are supposed to be separate.

In 1985, ABC was taken over by Capital Cities, a conservative, Roman Catholic media organization with extensive ties to the CIA.

(If you think we're making this up, you should know that the Capital Cities takeover of ABC is one of the most analyzed in history, and the subject of many books by Wall Street experts and scholars. Especially recommended is Networks of Power, by Emmy Award-winner Dennis Mazzocco.) (1)

Capital Cities was born in 1954, and rapidly prospered. Many of its founders had previously worked in the U.S. intelligence community and had a great amount of wealth, social contacts and influence in government. Yet they opted to keep the company's actions out of the public eye -- they did not flaunt their wealth with private planes and lavish offices the way so many successful companies do. Just exactly how well-connected Capital Cities was to the CIA is unknown, but it is clear that the CIA concerned itself with the company at various times. The fact that the CIA has often used private businessmen, journalists and even entire companies as fronts for covert operations is not only well-known by historians, but legendary. (Recall Howard Hughes and Trans-World Airlines...)

One of Capital City's early founders was William Casey, who would later become Ronald Reagan's Director of the CIA. At the time of Casey's nomination, the press expressed surprise that Reagan would hire a businessman whose last-known intelligence experience was limited to OSS operations in World War II. The fact is, however, that Casey had never left intelligence. Throughout the Cold War he kept a foot in both worlds, in private business as well as the CIA. A history of Casey's business dealings reveals that he was an aggressive player who saw nothing wrong with bending the law to further his own conservative agenda. When he became implicated as a central figure in the Iran-Contra scandal, many Washington insiders considered it a predictable continuation of a very shady career.

Another Capital Cities founder, Lowell Thomas, was a close friend and business contact with Allen Dulles, Eisenhower's CIA Director, and John Dulles, the Secretary of State. Thomas always denied being a spy, but he was frequently seen at events involving intelligence operations. Another founder was Thomas Dewey, whom the CIA had given millions to create other front companies for covert operations.

Capital Cities prospered from the start; its specialty was to buy media organizations that were in trouble. Upon acquisition, it would improve management and eliminate waste until the company started turning a profit. This no-nonsense, no-frills approach, as well as its refusal to become side-tracked with other ventures, made it one of the most successful media conglomerates of the 60s and 70s. Of course, the journalistic slant of its companies was decidedly conservative and anticommunist. To anyone who believes that the government should not control the press, the possibility that the CIA created a media company to dispense conservative and Cold War propaganda should be alarming. Rush Limbaugh himself calls freedom of the press "the sweetest -- and most American -- words you will ever find." (2) Apparently, he is unaware of the history of his own employers.

By the 1980s, Capital Cities had grown powerful enough that it was now poised to hunt truly big game: a major television network. A vulnerable target appeared in the form of ABC, whose poor management in the early 80s was driving both its profits and stocks into oblivion. Back then, ABC's journalistic slant was indeed liberal; its criticism of the Reagan Administration had drawn the wrath of conservatives everywhere, from Wall Street to Washington. This was in marked contrast to the rest of the White House press corps, which was, in Bagdikian's words, "stunningly uncritical" of Reagan. Behind the scenes, Reagan was deregulating the FCC and eliminating anti-monopoly laws for the media, a fact the media appreciated and rewarded. The only exception was ABC. Sam Donaldson's penetrating questions during press conferences were so embarrassing to Reagan that his handlers scheduled the fewest Presidential press conferences in modern history.

CONTINUED...

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-libmedia.htm



More than the NAZIs or commies ever could, the mass media as a tool of the right wing have come close to destroying democracy in the USA.

calimary

(81,198 posts)
157. The Powell Memo.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:20 PM
Jun 2015

That is the "bible" of the Dark Side. I have it in my sig-line so people can check it out. It was a blueprint for building the CON infrastructure that has overtaken this country.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
43. Actually, the Dixiecrats who revolted against Civil Rights gains in the 60s and became Southern
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:41 AM
Jun 2015

Republicans in response.

Nixon's "Southern Strategy" build on to that racism and racist tension.

Reagan's "Welfare Queen" was simply an extension of the Southern Strategy-Lee Atwater politics that has forever transformed politics. Atwater's apprentice was KKKarl Rove. Racism/race is the underlying Rovian tactic that gets Republicans (and many white Democrats) to vote against their best interest. (Read "What's the Matter With Kansas" by Tom Frank! Required reading, along with V.O. Key's work and Earle and Merle Black's "Southern Politics&quot .

Race is central in every aspect of political, social and economic lives.

The problem I have with Democrats is their unwillingness (or refusal) to see racism in ALL forms, not just explicit.

It was the "Reagan Democrats" that we lost and that Hillary Clinton's campaign, husband and surrogates played to in 2007-2008 with her dog whistle racism. This is one of the reasons why I can never support HRC in 2016. She never apologized for her race politics, so I will never forgive her.

But let's not get it twisted, either. White Democrats of ALL ideological persuasions (including LIBERALS) can be just as racist.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
169. This needs to be a Separate Post All On It's Own.....
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:55 AM
Jun 2015
But let's not get it twisted, either. White Democrats of ALL ideological persuasions (including LIBERALS) can be just as racist.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
181. ''Liberal Media'' - ''Liberal Mind''... So...
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jun 2015
A Good Week for Science (Or, What Eating Worms Reveals About Politics)

by George Lakoff
Huffington Post, 04/22/2010

EXCERPT...

Conservative Populism and Tea Partiers

After the Goldwater defeat of 1964, conservatism was a dirty word and most Americans wanted to be liberals, especially working people, who were highly unionized. Lee Atwater and colleagues, working for the 1968 Nixon campaign, had a problem: How to get a significant number of working people to become conservative enough to vote for Nixon.

They intuited what I have since called "biconceptualism" (see The Political Mind) -- the fact that many Americans have both conservative and progressive views, but in different contexts and on different issues. Mutual inhibition in brain circuitry means the strengthening of one weakens the other. They found a way to both strengthen conservative views and weaken liberal views, creating a conservative populism. Here's how they did it.

They realized that by the late 60's many working people were disturbed by the anti-war demonstrations; so Nixon ran on anti-communism. They noticed that many working men were upset by radical feminists. So they pushed traditional family values. And they realized that, after the civil rights legislation, many working men, especially in the South, were threatened by blacks. So they ran Nixon on law and order. At the same time, they created the concept of "the liberal elite" -- the tax and spend liberals, the liberal media, the Hollywood liberals, the limousine liberals, and so on. They created language for all these ideas and have been repeating it ever since.

Even though liberals have worked tirelessly for the material benefit of working people, the repetition of conservative populist frames over more than 40 years has had an effect. Conservative ideas have spread in the brains of conservative populists. The current Tea Party movement is an attempt to spread conservative populism further.

Sarah Palin may not know history or economics, but she does know strict father morality and conservative populist frames. Frank Rich, in his February 14 NY Times column, denied David Broder's description of Palin as "pitch-perfect populism" and called it "deceptive faux populism" and a "populist masquerade." What Rich is missing is that Palin has a perfect pitch for conservative populism -- which is very different from liberal populism. What she can do is strengthen the conservative side of bi-conceptual undecided populists, helping to move them to conservative populists. She is dangerous that way.

Frank Rich, another of my heroes, is a pitch-perfect liberal. He assumes that nurturant values (empathy; social and personal responsibility; making yourself and the world better) are the only objective values. I think they are right values, values that define democracy, but unfortunately far from the only values. Starting with those values, Rich correctly points out that Palin's views contradict liberal populism and that her conservative positions won't materially help the poor and middle class. All true, but ... that does not contradict conservative populism or conservatism in general.

This is a grand liberal mistake. The highest value in the conservative moral system (see Moral Politics, Chapter 9) is the perpetuation and strengthening of the conservative moral system itself!! This is not liberal materialism. Liberals decry it as "ideology," and it is. But it is real, it has the structure of moral system, and it is physically part of the brains of both Washington conservatives and conservative populists. The conservative surge is not merely electoral. It is an idea surge. It is an attempt to spread conservatism via the spread of conservative populism. That is what the Tea Party movement is doing.

SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/a-good-week-for-science_b_470500.html

Thank you for taking the time to put your thoughts into words, Liberal_Stalwart71. Very much appreciate your insight.
 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
44. RACISM has always been around and never went out of style. There never was a time when
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:42 AM
Jun 2015

black people were treated well and respected. Reagan or not.

This is a bullshit argument.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
55. What's a bullshit argument?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:10 PM
Jun 2015

The OP says that Reagan made it 'acceptable' again. It doesn't say he created it. Which argument is bullshit?

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
188. Saying that racism is "acceptable again" implies that there was a time when racism
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 06:30 PM
Jun 2015

wasn't acceptable. That's not true.

Read my post above as well. It is also not true that Reagan was the progenitor of racist politics. He wasn't.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
199. Wrong. Nixon led the resurgence. Read again. The Southern Strategy was Nixon's agenda.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jun 2015

Reagan simply carried the torch further, but all the ring makers came of age during Nixon, which was in direct response against the Civil Rights Movement.

Without Nixon, Southern Republicans would not exist.

The Welfare Queen was made possible as an implementation of Nixon's Southern Strategy.

Who put it in place? The cast of characters that came to the forefront during the Nixon era: Newt Gingrich, Lee Atwater, Ed Meese, etc. all actors served Reagan. They NEVER went away (except for Atwater who died and apologized on his deathbed for his racist politics). Still, without Atwater, there would not be a Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, or Andrew Breitbart--all protégés of Atwater. These architects of racist politics were around BEFORE Reagan!

Yes, Ed Meese was prominent in Reagan's administration, but he was one of the implementators of Nixon's strategy.

You simply need to understand southern politics and the history of how BOTH parties exploited racist sentiment in this country.

Racism never went out of style. It simply never did. And your analysis is wrong.

Familiarize yourself with what happened.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
208. That shows how something can be wrong and right at the same time.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 09:06 PM
Jun 2015
The racism at the heart of the Reagan presidency

How Ronald Reagan used coded racial appeals to galvanize white voters and gut the middle class

by IAN HANEY-LOPEZ
Salon, Jan. 11, 2014

EXCERPT...

Ronald Reagan

Why did Ronald Reagan do so well among white voters? Certainly elements beyond race contributed, including the faltering economy, foreign events (especially in Iran), the nation’s mood, and the candidates’ temperaments. But one indisputable factor was the return of aggressive race-baiting. A year after Reagan’s victory, a key operative gave what was then an anonymous interview, and perhaps lulled by the anonymity, he offered an unusually candid response to a question about Reagan, the Southern strategy, and the drive to attract the “Wallace voter”:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “N—, n—, n—.” (Editor's note: The actual word used by Atwater has been replaced with "N—" for the purposes of this article.) By 1968 you can’t say “n—” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut taxes and we want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N—, n—.” So anyway you look at it, race is coming on the back burner.


This analysis was provided by a young Lee Atwater. Its significance is two fold: First, it offers an unvarnished account of Reagan’s strategy. Second, it reveals the thinking of Atwater himself, someone whose career traced the rise of GOP dog whistle politics. A protégé of the pro-segregationist Strom Thurmond in South Carolina, the young Atwater held Richard Nixon as a personal hero, even describing Nixon’s Southern strategy as “a blue print for everything I’ve done.” After assisting in Reagan’s initial victory, Atwater became the political director of Reagan’s 1984 campaign, the manager of George Bush’s 1988 presidential campaign, and eventually the chair of the Republican National Committee. In all of these capacities, he drew on the quick sketch of dog whistle politics he had offered in 1981: from “n—, n—, n—” to “states’ rights” and “forced busing,” and from there to “cutting taxes”—and linking all of these, “race . . . coming on the back burner.”

[font color="red"]When Reagan picked up the dog whistle in 1980, the continuity in technique nevertheless masked a crucial difference between him versus Wallace and Nixon. Those two had used racial appeals to get elected, yet their racially reactionary language did not match reactionary political positions. Political moderates, both became racial demagogues when it became clear that this would help win elections. Reagan was different. Unlike Wallace and Nixon, Reagan was not a moderate, but an old-time Goldwater conservative in both the ideological and racial senses, with his own intuitive grasp of the power of racial provocation. For Reagan, conservatism and racial resentment were inextricably fused.[/font color]

In the early 1960s, Reagan was still a minor actor in Hollywood, but he was becoming increasingly active in conservative politics. When Goldwater decided to run for president, Reagan emerged as a fierce partisan. Reagan’s advocacy included a stock speech, given many times over, that drummed up support for Goldwater with overwrought balderdash such as the following:

“We are faced with the most evil enemy mankind has known in his long climb from the swamp to the stars. There can be no security anywhere in the free world if there is no fiscal and economic stability within the United States. Those who ask us to trade our freedom for the soup kitchen of the welfare state are architects of a policy of accommodation.” Reagan’s rightwing speechifying didn’t save Goldwater, but it did earn Reagan a glowing reputation among Republican groups in California, which led to his being recruited to run for governor of California in 1966. During that campaign, he wed his fringe politics to early dog whistle themes, for instance excoriating welfare, calling for law and order, and opposing government efforts to promote neighborhood integration. He also signaled blatant hostility toward civil rights, supporting a state ballot initiative to allow racial discrimination in the housing market, proclaiming: “If an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house, it is his right to do so.”


Reagan’s race-baiting continued when he moved to national politics. After securing the Republican nomination in 1980, Reagan launched his official campaign at a county fair just outside Philadelphia, Mississippi, the town still notorious in the national imagination for the Klan lynching of civil rights volunteers James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner 16 years earlier. Reagan selected the location on the advice of a local official, who had written to the Republican National Committee assuring them that the Neshoba County Fair was an ideal place for winning “George Wallace inclined voters.” Neshoba did not disappoint. The candidate arrived to a raucous crowd of perhaps 10,000 whites chanting “We want Reagan! We want Reagan!”—and he returned their fevered embrace by assuring them, “I believe in states’ rights.” In 1984, Reagan came back, this time to endorse the neo-Confederate slogan “the South shall rise again.” As New York Times columnist Bob Herbert concludes, “Reagan may have been blessed with a Hollywood smile and an avuncular delivery, but he was elbow deep in the same old race-baiting Southern strategy of Goldwater and Nixon.”

Reagan also trumpeted his racial appeals in blasts against welfare cheats. On the stump, Reagan repeatedly invoked a story of a “Chicago welfare queen” with “eighty names, thirty addresses, [and] twelve Social Security cards [who] is collecting veteran’s benefits on four non-existing deceased husbands. She’s got Medicaid, getting food stamps, and she is collecting welfare under each of her names. Her tax-free cash income is over $150,000.” Often, Reagan placed his mythical welfare queen behind the wheel of a Cadillac, tooling around in flashy splendor. Beyond propagating the stereotypical image of a lazy, larcenous black woman ripping off society’s generosity without remorse, Reagan also implied another stereotype, this one about whites: they were the workers, the tax payers, the persons playing by the rules and struggling to make ends meet while brazen minorities partied with their hard-earned tax dollars. More directly placing the white voter in the story, Reagan frequently elicited supportive outrage by criticizing the food stamp program as helping “some young fellow ahead of you to buy a T-bone steak” while “you were waiting in line to buy hamburger.” This was the toned-down version. When he first field-tested the message in the South, that “young fellow” was more particularly described as a “strapping young buck.” The epithet “buck” has long been used to conjure the threatening image of a physically powerful black man often one who defies white authority and who lusts for white women. When Reagan used the term “strapping young buck,” his whistle shifted dangerously toward the fully audible range. “Some young fellow” was less overtly racist and so carried less risk of censure, and worked just as well to provoke a sense of white victimization.

Voters heard Reagan’s dog whistle. In 1980, “Reagan’s racially coded rhetoric and strategy proved extraordinarily effective, as 22 percent of all Democrats defected from the party to vote for Reagan.” Illustrating the power of race in the campaign, “the defection rate shot up to 34 percent among those Democrats who believed civil rights leaders were pushing too fast.” Among those who felt “the government should not make any special effort to help [blacks] because they should help themselves,” 71 percent voted for Reagan.

CONTINUED...

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/11/the_racism_at_the_heart_of_the_reagan_presidency/

So, great. Without Nixon, no Reagan. But without Reagan, there'd be no return to the Jim Crow thinking, where some people matter more than others, let alone the massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy.
 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
211. You simply won't admit your mistake. The assertion you made, "Reagan was responsible for racism's
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 06:07 PM
Jun 2015

resurgence," is just simply wrong.

The links you posted are indeed right because they reflect what *actually* happened.

Bottom line: Nixon's Southern Strategy led to Southern Republican dominance in politics, and that strategy emphasized racist rhetoric and exploitation of racist sentiment in this country.

What Reagan did was continue to implement and CAPITALIZE on that strategy. How did he do it? The architects of Nixon's Southern Strategy, sans Atwater, served in the Reagan administration. With their racist campaign rhetoric, they were able to peel off a fair number of Southern and Midwestern Democrats, which is why I have always argued that there is a strain of racism in the Democratic Party. Always was and always will be. That became clear to me during the Obama-Clinton campaign in 2008.

Now, you can continue to deny these facts, but that's on you. It's your problem.

One last important point that cannot be disputed:

RACISM NEVER WENT AWAY!! NEVER! There was never any "resurgence". That's absurd!

American politics is centered on RACE, obsessed with race. Throughout this country's existence, race was its undercurrent. I didn't make this up. Read the books below; V.O. Key and the Black brothers wrote extensively about the centrality of race.

Thems the facts, my friend. They just are.

Required Reading:
V.O. Key's seminal "Southern Politics"
Merle and Earle Black, "The Rise of Southern Republicans"
Thomas Frank, "What's the Matter With Kansas"
John W. Dean, "Conservatives Without Conscious"

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
212. No, I wrote Reagan was the key figure in its resurgence.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 07:42 PM
Jun 2015

Reagan as president led the country from working toward racial equality toward restoring White superiority.

Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

eppur_se_muova

(36,258 posts)
45. Yeah, you'd *better* say Reagan ...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jun 2015

I was gonna raise holy Hell if you had given any other answer !

It was bitter symbolism for black Americans (though surely not just for black Americans). Countless observers have noted that Reagan took the Republican Party from virtual irrelevance to the ascendancy it now enjoys. The essence of that transformation, we shouldn't forget, is the party's successful wooing of the race-exploiting Southern Democrats formerly known as Dixiecrats. And Reagan's Philadelphia appearance was an important bouquet in that courtship.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan%27s_Neshoba_County_Fair_%22states%27_rights%22_speech





BTW, thanks for the excerpts from Bell's book. Will be looking for a copy.
 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
118. Reagan was one of the worst Presidents for the poor, the marginalized, the historically oppressed
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jun 2015

and disenfranchised, the most vulnerable groups and populations in the United States.

African-Americans, women, the LGBT community (who could forget his administration's despicable, treacherous, and deliberate inaction on AIDS?), the poor and working class in general - all suffered disproportionately under Reagan's Presidency.

He was a lot like that other asshole, Richard Nixon, only more "charismatic" and smoother and "warmer" in his conning salesmanship act, and he amazingly is held up as a model of "making Americans feel good about themselves."

eppur_se_muova

(36,258 posts)
131. Ronald Reagan was crack cocaine for America ...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:06 PM
Jun 2015

he made us feel super-powerful, while destroying us from the inside.

After the collapse of the USSR, Russians complained that they were reduced to the status of a third-world country, except for their nuclear arsenal: "Upper Volta with missles" was a phrase widely used in that country. We're going to end up as Upper Bumfuckistan with missles, a two-ocean navy, and hundreds of military bases worldwide we can't afford.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
53. Well there you go again...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:07 PM
Jun 2015

Another fucked up legacy of the Reagan years. And they say he is one of the greatest presidents.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
54. I hate very few people I have never met.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:07 PM
Jun 2015

That asshole tops the list. He is responsible for more evil and suffering than can even be measured.

byronius

(7,392 posts)
56. I remember it all too well.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:14 PM
Jun 2015

His election was a terrible day in my life, made me hang my head and lose hope. A handsome and personable monster, and the harbinger of awful things.

I still do not forgive anyone for voting for the Beast. To me, the choice was clear as day, more clear than any other electoral choice in my lifetime except for the possible exception of Obama vs. Romney. To have voted for either Reagan or Romney was a clear decision to murder the world, end of argument.

Ignorance spills from some people like a river of pain.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
60. It's always been acceptable.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jun 2015

America just goes through periods where the existence of racism is more obvious to those who don't have to live with it on a daily basis.
Something happens - Katrina, murders, police brutality, an African-American President - that brings attention to the nation at large of just how bad racism is in America, but let time pass and media attention wane, and things seem to go back to 'normal' for the rest of the country.

Except for those affected by racism every single day of their lives. Because racism in America has always been acceptable.



Octafish

(55,745 posts)
193. It stopped -- for a time, anyway -- in the Oval Office during the Kennedy Administration.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:48 AM
Jun 2015

President Kennedy integrated the Secret Service and FBI. Abraham Bolden, the first African American agent to serve on the White House SS detail, reported his supervisor met him with hatred and open racism in this interview with Thom Hartmann:



http://www.echofromdealeyplaza.net/

Secret Service Agent Abraham Bolden endured the most vile form of racism -- from allegedly "educated" government servants while in the Secret Service. After the assassination, he stepped forward and volunteered what he knew about the Chicago Plot -- something that casts a very different light on the events in Dallas. For his trouble stepping forward and attempting -- he never was interviewed -- to contact the Warren Commission, he was railroaded on the testimony of a corrupt informer, a man Bolden had helped send to prison.

The great author Edwin Black wrote about the Chicago Plot back in 1976. The article is available online in PDF form:

http://thechicagoplot.com/The%20Chicago%20Plot.pdf

SpartanDem

(4,533 posts)
195. So what?
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:08 AM
Jun 2015

What does that matter to the acceptability of racism? You do what was going in the the country when he was President? You had communities across of the country that we're resisting various forms of integration. Regan certainly exploited peoples racism but to believe that prior to 1980 racism was less acceptable is silly.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
198. So what? Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:47 AM
Jun 2015




Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.

by Adam Serwer
msnbc.com, April 11, 2014

Editor’s note: Readers may find some language included to be offensive.

Lyndon Johnson said the word “nigger” a lot.

In Senate cloakrooms and staff meetings, Johnson was practically a connoisseur of the word. According to Johnson biographer Robert Caro, Johnson would calibrate his pronunciations by region, using “nigra” with some southern legislators and “negra” with others. Discussing civil rights legislation with men like Mississippi Democrat James Eastland, who committed most of his life to defending white supremacy, he’d simply call it “the nigger bill.”

Then in 1957, Johnson would help get the “nigger bill” passed, known to most as the Civil Rights Act of 1957. With the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act, the segregationists would go to their graves knowing the cause they’d given their lives to had been betrayed, Frank Underwood style, by a man they believed to be one of their own. When Caro asked segregationist Georgia Democrat Herman Talmadge how he felt when Johnson, signing the Civil Rights Act, said ”we shall overcome,” Talmadge said “sick.”

The Civil Rights Act made it possible for Johnson to smash Jim Crow. The Voting Rights Act made the U.S. government accountable to its black citizens and a true democracy for the first time. Johnson lifted racist immigration restrictions designed to preserve a white majority – and by extension white supremacy. He forced FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, then more concerned with “communists” and civil rights activists, to turn his attention to crushing the Ku Klux Klan. Though the Fair Housing Act never fulfilled its promise to end residential segregation, it was another part of a massive effort to live up to the ideals America’s founders only halfheartedly believed in – a record surpassed only by Abraham Lincoln.

So it would be tempting, on the 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act, as Johnson is being celebrated by no less than four living presidents, to dismiss Johnson’s racism as mere code-switching – a clever ploy from an uncompromising racial egalitarian whose idealism was matched only by his political ruthlessness.

But that wouldn’t be true. Johnson was a man of his time, and bore those flaws as surely as he sought to lead the country past them. For two decades in Congress he was a reliable member of the Southern bloc, helping to stonewall civil rights legislation. As Caro recalls, Johnson spent the late 1940s railing against the “hordes of barbaric yellow dwarves” in East Asia. Buying into the stereotype that blacks were afraid of snakes (who isn’t afraid of snakes?) he’d drive to gas stations with one in his trunk and try to trick black attendants into opening it. Once, Caro writes, the stunt nearly ended with him being beaten with a tire iron.

Nor was it the kind of immature, frat-boy racism that Johnson eventually jettisoned. Even as president, Johnson’s interpersonal relationships with blacks were marred by his prejudice. As longtime Jet correspondent Simeon Booker wrote in his memoir Shocks the Conscience, early in his presidency, Johnson once lectured Booker after he authored a critical article for Jet Magazine, telling Booker he should “thank” Johnson for all he’d done for black people. In Flawed Giant, Johnson biographer Robert Dallek writes that Johnson explained his decision to nominate Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court rather than a less famous black judge by saying, “when I appoint a nigger to the bench, I want everybody to know he’s a nigger.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism



You don't have to be a Liberal Democrat or even intelligent to see that executive leadership changed for the worse after President Kennedy.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
200. I'm sorry, Octafish. Racism never stopped being acceptable.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:24 PM
Jun 2015

There are times when racists are less bold, less outspoken in a public forum. But that never means racism has stopped. Just means racists don't feel as emboldened to express themselves publicly - but they didn't hold back otherwise.

Look at all the attacks and murders during the Kennedy years of black leaders and civil rights activists. Integrating the Secret Service didn't stop that. No reason to believe it would either. It's just not that simple. We have an African-American President - the WH was finally (& truly) integrated when Obama was elected - and that didn't stop racism. Quite the contrary, in desperation to preserve their cherished hate, racists acted out even more. Obama was and is a threat to everything they believe.


Your own example shows an African-American man experiencing racism and hate from his supervisor - because no matter how the occupant of the WH thinks - racism is a force greater than the office of the President.

Doesn't matter what Kennedy or Johnson thought - all across America, racism was still acceptable.

Even as some "good" white people watched on their televisions what was happening in the south, regardless of how shocked and appalled they were by what they saw, they, themselves, still lived in segregated neighborhoods, they still crossed the street when an African-American man was approaching, they still told each other racists jokes, and they still would have disowned a child for dating a black man or woman.

African-American men and women were still followed in department stores. They still knew which neighborhoods would jump them if they crossed the block. They still experienced racist slights and insults every day of their lives.

And they still do in 2015.




One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
61. Cause George Wallace was really a PussyCat?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:27 PM
Jun 2015

Seriously that just misses so much of the horrible racism that still pervaded much of the country thru the 70's. Who needed Regan when they were electing Wallace to the Governorship?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
78. George Wallace had a lot of help from his friends.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jun 2015

Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983.



Wallace and his third wife, the former Lisa Taylor, meet with Vice President George Bush and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton at a lobster bake at Bush's residence at Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983. The third Mrs. Wallace, whom the governor married in 1981, was 30 years his junior and half of a country-western singing duo, Mona and Lisa, who had performed during his campaign in 1968.

CREDIT: AP/Birmingham Post / SOURCE: http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-wallace/13/

George Wallace did all he could to oppose President Kennedy and his administration's policy to integrate public schools, including the University of Alabama.

Something else important to know: Wallace’s running mate in 1968 was Gen. Curtis LeMay, who exhibited insubordination to President Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
95. Nat'l assoc of Governors meeting
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:28 PM
Jun 2015

According to UPI the meeting was in conjunction with the National Assoc. of Governors meeting in Portland, ME.
http://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/07/27/Demonstrator-sues-Veeps-hometown/4657459748800/

Now if there was a picture of George taking Wallace out on his boat?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
112. Really? The AP says 1983.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:58 PM
Jun 2015

"A lobster bake" at the Veep's Kennebunkport digs, Walker Point.

When I first saw it, I couldn't believe it. Michael Beschloss confirmed its authenticity.

https://twitter.com/beschlossdc/status/275941914182828033

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
116. July 30th, 1983
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:08 PM
Jun 2015
At the time, Bush was holding a clambake for the nation's governors in conjunction with the summer conference of the National Governor's Association in Portland.

John R. Merrill was arrested July 30, 1983, for disorderly conduct while carrying a placard about half a mile from the entrance to the Bush compound on Walker Point in Kennebunkport.

At the time, Bush was holding a clambake for the nation's governors in conjunction with the summer conference of the National Governor's Association in Portland.


http://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/07/27/Demonstrator-sues-Veeps-hometown/4657459748800/

Which explains why you would find Big Dog sitting near Wallace. Would presume many Gov's had their pic taken with the VP and that Big Dog didn't have much choice in where he was seated.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
117. Thanks! Good times.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:10 PM
Jun 2015

Not much progress for the nation since then, but everyone looks like they really knew how to get along in Speaker Sam's sense.

calimary

(81,198 posts)
62. I am SOOOOOO bookmarking this thread. Several different ways.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:46 PM
Jun 2015

There's this ding-dong effort to rename every damn high school and interchange and airport and building and freeway and freeway overpass and every damn square of sidewalk and every fucking soda straw in America after ronald reagan.

If I had time on my hands, I'd be tempted to follow along after them and UNDO what they just did. I want my Simi Valley Freeway BACK! I want Washington National Airport BACK! I want that bastard's name WIPED OFF wherever it's blighted.

Just as "all roads lead to Rome," according to the cliche, then "all this shit leads to reagan." "All crimes lead to reagan." "All idiocy leads to reagan." "All racism leads to reagan." "All bigotry leads to reagan." "All extremism leads to reagan." "All cheapskate-ism leads to reagan." "All pennywise/pound-foolish leads to reagan." "All irrationality leads to reagan." "All inequality leads to reagan." "All sanctimoniousness leads to reagan." "All phony piety leads to reagan." "All intolerance leads to reagan." "All injustice leads to reagan." Certainly "all trickle-down leads to reagan."

Hmmmm.... I gotta work on this one. I KNOW there's a meme in there. Just gotta find the catchiest one. Has to be catchy so it's memorable. We need a new battle-cry.

But just consider for a moment. How many ills is our nation sick with now?
- Economic (trickle-down and the so-called "laffer curve" - ever read David Stockman's book - his former budget director who wound up exposing what a phonied-up canard it was - with his references to the "magic asterisk" and the "rosy scenario" they plugged in, instead, as they were trying, IN VAIN, to make the numbers work. And they couldn't. So they smoke-screened and snake-oiled through it and sold it like a bill o' goods and fooled EVERYBODY);
- Racial (this, just for one example. But - anybody remember the speech Nancy gave to a large gathering of fawning followers in Chicago, and happily noted "all these beautiful white faces" she saw in the crowd. AND lee atwater!!!!!! lee atwater!!!!!!!! Need I say more?);
- Religious extremism (the rise of jerry falwell's so-called "Moral Majority" and the "Christian" CONservatives, ralph reed's so-called "Christian Coalition);
- Tax-cuts-for-the-rich-and-everybody-else-can-just-pound-sand (one of the nicknames for his administration was "Millionaires on Parade&quot ;
- Sneaky-ass foreign policy that propped up all kinds of vile "right"-wingers overseas (but, but, but, they were anti-COMMIE so that made them somehow GOOD!!!!!!! - helllooooo arms-for-hostages and negotiating with terrorists and Iran-Contra!);
- Sneaky-ass closet advisors who held all the power and influence OFF-THE-BOOKS (they called his tycoon/millionaire-industrialist inner-circle the "Kitchen Cabinet" FULL of foxes just dying to get their hands on the henhouse guard-duty schedule);
- Anti-environment (helllllooooooooo james watt and justin "let's just save 100 acres of redwoods - for the kids" dart - one of reagan's most infamous "Kitchen Cabinet" members, btw);
- Phony military muscle-flexing (started with the bullshit "invasion" of Grenada);
- Amped up war on drugs (Nancy needed a PR makeover from her haughty, imperious cold-fish "Queen Nancy" image, America shoulda "just said no" to that) and all the extreme and demographically-lopsided incarceration levels we now see in our prisons;
- Poverty and screwing the social safety net (HE was the one who INITIATED the myth of the "welfare queen" and of course she was black);
- The rise of hate radio (broadcast deregulation started in the latter half of HIS administration;
- Wall Street out of control (financial deregulation started during HIS administration - let the foxes guard the henhouses! Gummnt BAAAAAD;
- Overall general hatred and institutional destruction of the gummnt ("get the gummnt OFF YER BACK" - that was one of his many catchy slogans, like this cutie-patootie: "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'&quot ;

Shit.

Literally, every ill that is thoroughly sickening America that I can think of, just off the bat, EVERY SINGLE ONE, routes directly back to ronald reagan. He was the DREAM candidate of the far-wrong, that knew its policies and preferences were anathema to much of America but they wanted 'em ANYWAY, and they figured the secret to success was all in the PACKAGING. And how they might be able to sell America on it, thereby hoodwinking America into embracing it - because it just SOUNDED SO DAMN GOOD! He made it SOUND SOOOOOOoooooo good. So acceptable. So all-American! So patriotic! So Godly! So Bible-y! Every anti-social, greedy, hate-filled, chip-on-their-shoulder, self-entitled asshole found refuge under the magnanimously protective wing of ronald reagan. All the Great American Vermin flocked to him because he became their savior. He made it okay, even COOL and swagger-y and rootin' tootin' Wild West Dirty-Harry-meets-Captain-America-y ("Go Ahead, Make My Day" - THAT was one of his favorite quotes, too) to feel as they did. He made it okay. He made it glamorous! And Hollywood-y, even! And all red-blooded ALL-AMERICAN! Hell, he even played FOOTBALL in school!!!! Heroic WW2 veteran USA-USA-USA!!! (My ass. So he enlisted. So what? He stayed home where it was safe and wore his country's uniform making recruiting films.)

FUCKER. He was absolutely, unquestionably, beyond the shadow of ANY doubt the WORST thing that happened to this country in the entire length of the 20th Century. Worse than the Great Depression - because his policies revisited all that, reworked the understanding of it, and began systematically to tear down the safeguards instituted by FDR's New Deal (which reagan hated) that would only lead to MORE economic depressions. Worse than Pearl Harbor - because of the American adventurism, imperialism, interference in other nations' affairs and sovereignty, reckless exports of industrial and business piracy and assorted build-up-the-military muscle-flexing and the birth of the idea of "American Exceptionalism" that led directly to the multiple foreign policy messes WE face NOW. Including 9/11.

FUCKER. There aren't enough "fuck-you's" that can be said that cover what he deserves to have pelted on him. I want his name wiped off the face of the earth and buried. Where it belongs. Wrap it in the "stars 'n' bars".

I hate ronald reagan with the burning fire of a thousand suns. He bastardized love of country, and love of God. He WAS "the Great Satan." Wrapped in an adorable, amiable, harmless, disarming, and totally dear crooked smile and crinkly-eyed chuckling and the perfect, well-tested-for-effective-manipulation sloganeering, delivered with Busby Berkeley staging, red-white-&-blue backdrops, 100-foot-long American flags, dancing girls, baton twirlers, fireworks, marching-bands and other assorted phony-ass showbizmanship.

GOD I hate ronald reagan.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
82. Bookmarked.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:39 PM
Jun 2015

Outstanding post and info, calimary.

Stockman, of all people, pointed out just how much Reaganomics has done to destroy the middle class and the American Dream.

[font size="6"][font color="green"]7/8 of ALL WEALTH in Human History created since 1981.[/font color][/font size]

Pruneface's budget guru David Stockman must've added up all the GDP and estimated the stuff from the middle ages. Whatever. His real point is that most of THAT has ended up in the pockets of the greedhead plutocrats' pockets.



In 1985, the top five percent of the households – the wealthiest five percent – had net worth of $8 trillion – which is a lot. Today, after serial bubble after serial bubble, the top five per cent have net worth of $40 trillion. The top five per cent have gained more wealth than the whole human race had created prior to 1980.” -- David Stockman, Ronald Reagan's budget director

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7009217n&tag=related;photovideo

"In 1985, the top five percent of the households, wealthiest five percent, had net worth of $8 trillion, which is a lot. Today, after serial bubble after serial bubble, the top five percent have net worth of $40 trillion," he explained. "The top five percent have gained more wealth than the whole human race had created prior to 1980." -- David Stockman

SOURCE: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/28/60minutes/main6999906_page4.shtml


THE RICHEST TIMES IN HUMAN HISTORY and thanks to Red Ink Ronnie and his Buy Partisan ideological offspring, there now are 2.5 million homeless kids in America.

And they absolutely HATE President Kennedy and liberal Democrats with a passion, taking his name OFF everything they could, including Cape Kennedy.

NIXON/BFEE refused to commission Apollo 11 as 'The John F. Kennedy.'

Pat Moynihan and a whole lot of people on both sides of the aisle thought it was a great idea. Nixon and his creeps did not.





(Blogger Machodoc) Came across an interesting tidbit at the Archives yesterday, specifically in Kissinger's National Security space files.

It seems that in early summer 1969 Bill Moyers, after reading an article in Newsday, wrote Pat Moynihan to ask if he could convice President Nixon to christen the Apollo XI the "John F. Kennedy". Moynihan agreed, sent a memo to up the chain of command, where before it finally reached the White House received a couple of additional endorsements.

On June 12 the proposal reached John Ehrlichman's desk, and in a memo to H. R. Haldeman, wrote: "Unlike Daniel P. Moynihan, I can see no advantage to the President to commission the Apollo 11 moon shot the "John F. Kennedy." We would win neither friends in Congress no votes in 1972 and would only become pawns in the press's game of perpetuating the name of JFK. Fall prey to this and the next step will be renaming the moon because NBC thinks it would be a good idea."

The next day, in a memo to his boss, Haldeman, Steve Bull agreed, an in his memo said that "we have gone far enough in "Kennedyizing" such ventures."

In the action box at the bottom of the page, in the space recommending the action be abandoned is Haldeman's "H", with a note in strong handwriting and double underlined, "positively!!"

SOURCE:

http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000980.html


"Houston. Tranquility Base here. The John F. Kennedy has landed."



Thank you for grokking, calimary, how much more of our nation's official history has been distorted by the decrepit hands and evil hearts of Nixon, Pruneface and the War Party.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
108. A truly righesous rant, calimary.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:49 PM
Jun 2015

And I second every word of it.

As horrible as the Chimperor was, he never could have existed without Raygun. Chimpy was just Ronnie Redux.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
140. Absofrigginlutely!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:21 PM
Jun 2015

I am with you 100%. My hatred for that man is pure. And my disgust for those small-minded citizens who lionized this criminal cannot be properly expressed. Nixon messed with Johnson's peace negotiations to win the 68 election. Reagan bribed the mullahs in Iran to delay the release of hostages to win the 80 election. Bush steals the 2000 election and yet - silence.

Thom Hartmann first pointed out (at least to my reckoning) that in 1980 the USA was No. 1 in exporting manufactured goods; importing raw materials; and lending money to other countries. By 2005 we had become No. 1 in importing manufactured goods; exporting raw materials, and the world's largest borrower of money.

The phony "invasion" of Grenada took place shortly after 242 Marines were killed in Beirut. Ronny tucked tail and ran. Nobody on the chicken hawk side cared one bit.

I sometimes wonder if America suffered a giant collective aneurysm during the Regan era.

Thanks for coming to work!

The Shadow Mayor

calimary

(81,198 posts)
156. Welcome to DU, shadowmayor!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:14 PM
Jun 2015

Glad you're here, Your Honor! Oh MAN, did America EVER suffer a giant collective aneurysm during that era.

It was the pizazz. The staging. The Hollywood stuff. The sloganeering. The schtick. He wore blue jeans and a cowboy hat off duty up in them thar Santa Barbara Mountains - and he looked good in them. He rode horses. He'd been a movie star. He then had a radio show and thus, a national pulpit and he was good at that. Sure knew how to use a microphone, including the time he yelled about how he'd PAID for that microphone (and nobody was gonna cut it off on him, either).

He had this triumvirate of close advisors - James Baker, Michael Deaver, and Ed Meese. James Baker was White House Chief of Staff. Ed Meese was first legal advisor and then full-on (and rather crooked) Attorney General. And then there was Michael Deaver. Mr. Showbiz. He was Deputy White House Chief of Staff under Baker and, as a former PR guy, he capitalized on reagan's actor skills to manipulate the masses. He was an "image guru," what CBS White House reporter Mark Knoller described as "the man behind the curtain."

"When it came to conveying Mr. Reagan's message, the cry at the White House was, 'Leave it to Deaver,'" Knoller said. "He chose the settings and staging, and operated the bells and whistles, that helped President Reagan earn his reputation of being 'the Great Communicator' — but he couldn't have done it without Michael Deaver."

(snip)

To exert as much control as possible, Deaver steered the president away from reporters when he could, instead arranging Reagan in poses and settings that conveyed visually the message of the moment. Presidential news conferences were a rarity, which suited an actor-turned-politician who was at his best when using a script.

Deaver's greatest skill "was in arranging what were known as good visuals — televised events or scenes that would leave a powerful symbolic image in people's minds," former first lady Nancy Reagan recalled in her memoir, "My Turn."

One example was Reagan's visit to the beaches of Normandy, in France, to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the Allied invasion of Europe during World War II. Deaver arranged for Reagan to appear on a cliff overlooking the English Channel and address D-Day veterans, which yielded dramatic video and still images of the president.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/reagan-advisor-michael-deaver-dead-at-69/

Get that? reagan had this famous and much-vaunted "troika" of his closest advisors. And one of those three rarified-air jobs was his IMAGE GURU. It was THAT important. His IMAGE was absolutely THAT important. Economic advisor? Nope. Foreign policy advisor? Nope. Executive staffing guy, legal advisor guy, and IMAGE GUY. What does that tell you? Packaging above just about EVERYTHING else. It was the "how you sell it", not so much the "what you're selling" that was important. Nothing but surface treatment.

It was INFURIATING.

And, the SOB took about an equivalent of a full year out of his eight years in our White House - ON FUCKING VACATION!!!! He used to tie up traffic all over the Westside of L.A. over and over and over again, either going from LAX to Santa Monica Airport by helicopter and then limo'ing either to the Century Plaza where his entourage would take up at least a floor of the hotel there, or else up to Bel-Air to the former 666 St. Cloud Road (rich benefactors bought the exclusive Bel-Air home for the reagans toward the end of his second term, and had the street number changed to 668). OR it'd be helicoptering from LAX to Santa Barbara, up to the ranch. Either way, it was murder trying to get around West L.A. when he was coming through there. And we taxpayers were paying for all that nice time off he was always taking. Don't care if he was as old as Methuselah. If he needed that much time off and that many naps while supposedly on duty back in DC, maybe he shouldn't have wanted to be President. I certainly didn't get MY tax money's worth outta that old fart.

The ONLY good thing about ronald reagan is that he's dead. Gone. Can't initiate any further harm on America. His days are over. Unfortunately, his legacy is well-cared-for, at least for the moment. But he himself is gone.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
163. Stunning reply
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:18 AM
Jun 2015

Calimary,

You are not only incredibly informative, but quite kind to me. I remember the era too well. My first presidential vote was for Jimmy Carter in 1980. The decade of the 80's was an American nightmare. Giant deficits, racial and economic apartheid policies, a sick ground war in Central America and an AIDS crisis completely ignored. Trees cause pollution and the rest of the nonsense.

My neighbor is a professor of communications. He studied speech patterns and facial movements of the president as part of a class project. He said it was well known in the medical community and by communication people that Reagan suffered a series of small strokes after his shooting. Alzheimer's or dementia is the convenient explanation for his addled brain that never really worked very well to begin with, but in truth Reagan was probably a stroke victim. That would hardly fit with his rugged image, would it.

I enjoy your posts and keep 'em coming.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
202. another thing I think he is at fault for
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:44 PM
Jun 2015

factory farming, remember farm aid and all the family farms that went bankrupt. Remember the line about ketchup being a vegetable for school children. It was because school lunch programs were a way to subsidize farmers. Remember government cheese. It was a way to subsidize farmers and to help the poor. The war on the poor spilled over and hit the family farms and big agribusiness swept in.

scoobiedavis

(222 posts)
65. I have a web site on Reagan's racism
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jun 2015

I'd like to thank Octafish for his/her insights. I like to think my critique of Reagan's race-baiting is exhaustive (site is here http://reaganandracism.blogspot.com/ ) but Octafish listed some information that escaped me. Bell's insights on the virulent racism in the Reagan White House are incredible. I find it perversely amusing that Reagan's apologists cite his signing of the MLK holiday when he initially opposed it and stood by when Jesse Helms (R-Hell) red-baited Dr. King and had people in his White House making such repulsive statements.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
186. Outstanding Resource! Thank You!
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 01:40 PM
Jun 2015

From scoobiedavis:

Reagan’s Legacy Regarding Race

Reagan is as dead as a doornail but his legacy lives on in the Republican Party:

• Trent Lott, who gave a speech lauding Strom Thurmond’s Dixiecrat presidential run of 1948 at the same rally at the Neshoba County Fair that Reagan gave his infamous “states’ rights” speech in 1980, was elected to the U.S. Senate and eventually became Senate Majority leader. As was the case of Neshoba, in 2002 he gave a speech lauding Thurmond’s Dixiecrat campaign at an event celebrating Thurmond’s 100th birthday; and as was the case in 1980, the mainstream media ignored Lott’s comments—at least initially. Unlike in 1980, in 2002, there were Internet bloggers who refused to let Lott get away with it. The political firestorm resulted in Lott’s resignation as Majority Leader. Prior to the controversy, Lott had close ties to the modern day version of the White Citizens Councils, the [font color="red"]Council of Conservative Citizens[/font color]. Lott also quipped that the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, would have approved of the Republican platform.

• The solid Democratic South has became the Republican South.

• Jeff Sessions, the Reagan nominee who was defeated because of his racist associations and activities, ran for the U.S. Senate in Alabama and won.

• Haley Barbour, a Mississippi, was the head of the Republican national Committee. Barbour is an unreconstructed neo-Confederate apologist. In the lead up to the GOP nomination race of 2012, Barbour was criticized for saying laudatory things about the old White Citizens’ Councils (WCC) and his past association with the modern incarnation of the WCC, The Council of Conservative Citizens. Barbour lamely claimed that he became a Republican because of his opposition to the segregationist policies of Southern Democrats in the 1960’s.

• In the 21st century, the right and the GOP have engaged in a war on black voters. George W. Bush became president largely because Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris engaged in a felon-purge of the voter rolls—largely disenfranchising non-felons. Voter intimidation was institutionalized by Republican lawmakers in the form of Voter I.D. laws that address the largely nonexistent problem of voter fraud. U.S. Attorneys Firings Scandal was largely over the issue of U.S. Attorneys who were fired because they were pressured to put on the front burner cases of alleged cases of voter fraud even though voter fraud was extremely rare. Even though Republicans were told that voter caging was unacceptable, Tim Griffin, now in the U.S. House, engaged in the practice. During Bush’s rule, vacancies in the civil rights division of the U.S. Department of Justice were filled with hacks and anti-civil rights activists who were illegally chosen because of political affiliation.

• Roger Ailes, Reagan’s media man who got his start race-baiting for Richard Nixon, became the head of Fox News.

• Right-wing talk radio has become a repository for racist thought. The most notable talk radio racist is Rush Limbaugh who has made many racist comments.

• Another notable talk radio host who exploited race is Sean Hannity. Hannity was one of Trent Lott’s biggest defenders when Lott got in trouble because of his 2002 comments about Thurmond’s 1948 Dixiecrat run. Hannity also was a close associate of virulent racist Hal Turner. During the 2008 elections, Hannity used his Fox News program to give a platform to crackpot and virulent anti-Semite and racist Anthony Robert Martin-Trigona (AKA Andy Martin) whom Hannity laughably presented as an “internet jounalist.”

• Representative Paul Broun (R-GA) referred to the U.S. Civil War as the "Great War of Yankee Aggression."


CONTINUED...

http://reaganandracism.blogspot.com/

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
67. "Ronnie Raygun vs. the Welfare Queens From Outer Space!"
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jun 2015

I always wanted to write an article with that title. Ronnie gained fame talking about welfare queens driving around Harlem in Cadillacs and ended his second term raving about the nations of the world uniting against an invasion from outer space. His whole career is like a 1950s Sci-fi 'B' movie.

Back in the day, I did title a whole series of my Samizdat political emails: 'Pissing on Ronnie's Grave" I ended up having to prune my email list when people accused me of being too hard on Reagan.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
76. Woodstock had a song about Ronald Raygunzap.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:09 PM
Jun 2015

Jeffrey Shurtleff and Joan Baez pegged the greasy rat:

KT2000

(20,572 posts)
71. And Roselyn Carter
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:33 PM
Jun 2015

called him on it after the election - (paraphrased) he makes people feel comfortable with their prejudices.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
73. It was never not acceptable.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jun 2015

It was ALWAYS acceptable. The only thing that changed was Reagan used coded words and dog whistles instead of using the word N****r in public.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
77. Yep, the war on welfare (now conflated with SSI) is code for racism
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:14 PM
Jun 2015

Which is why Hillary NEEDS to address the welfare part of her platform, where she is just lazily continuing Bill Clinton's "Welfare Reform as We Know It" and hoping no one will notice while she triangulates the racist vote into her "warm purple space".

This is also why Cities can't get grant money any more and teahadist legislators constantly try to withdraw funding from "Big Government". The (white) man on the street has been persuaded that taxes and/or "socialism" means taking the money white folks "earn" and giving it away to black folks. And if black folks are earning it, that must be because they took a job from a white man via quotas or pipelining.

I don't think we'd see this kind of mean-spirited race-based competition if we had an economy of full employment and a strong safety net. That's right, *withdrawing* welfare is exacerbating this problem. Because when a white person needs help, and they can't get it because welfare has been gutted, they just assume black people are getting through secret race-based backdoors. In communities where EVERYONE can live with dignity, this doesn't have to happen.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
79. Let's hope whatever it was never returns.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:25 PM
Jun 2015

Ronald Reagan on Native Americans
(link at bottom of post no longer works)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1776149

Ronald Wilson Reagan

^666^



Now I need another shower.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
110. Jayzus riding a unicycle and juggling fish.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:53 PM
Jun 2015

That is disgusting beyond words. And it was said in 1988?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
86. As horrendous as the senile old fraud was, he was the symptom and the carrier,
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:09 PM
Jun 2015

and not the cause.

The reichwing wanted to return to a pre-Roosevelt (both Teddy AND Franklin) world for fifty years before the project got rolling and organized.

Rick Perlstein's brilliant "Before The Storm" chronicles the postwar rise of the Crazy Right in massive detail. They're all there, Joseph Welch, Fred Koch, William F. Buckley, crackpot ministers, homegrown paranoids like Joe McCarthy and old-fashioned fly-eating lunatics. Perlstein's book is huge, but extremely well written and compulsively readable. Read and learn. It opened my eyes, and I am a history junkie.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
101. Not to mention he kicked off his Presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi as a symbol of
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jun 2015

racism.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
102. Thanks. I did mention that, though.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:38 PM
Jun 2015

In the OP, just under Ronnie and the Lawn Jockey. The Third World Traveler went into detail.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
107. I am sorry I sound so pedantic...lots of history being rewritten when it comes to fascism.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:47 PM
Jun 2015

The real symbolism of the Philadelphia, Mississippi announcement is something that should be taught in schools, not forgotten so only those "in the know" can discern.



Hoaxes 101: Ronald Reagan's 1980 States-Rights Speech in Mississippi Didn't Happen No More

bywaterstreet2013
Daily Kos, TUE DEC 10, 2013 AT 12:44 PM PST

Corporate media had one helluva problem this week. Nelson Mandela opposed the apartheid system. In speech and with presidential acts, Ronald Reagan supported it.

They had to cover up for Ronald Reagan. With Nelson Mandela warm in the coffin, Reagan had done the most of any American president to support the Apartheid regime in South Africa.

The networks led off with apologists beginning at former Secretary of State James Baker. He told us how Ronald Reagan "regretted, surely regretted" vetoing the bipartisan Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act of 1986.

Ne'er a mention of Reagan appointing full on White supremacists to the Federal bench. Or what Reagan did to gut DoJ's Civil rights Division. No mention that first thing after the Republican National Convention in 1980, Ronald Reagan set out to Mississippi to launched a replay of Nixon's Southern Strategy.

Reagan pandered overtly to White supremacists. He did this hat in hand, defiling the memories of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner. Reagan cozied up to the friends and neighbors and relatives of the eighteen men charged (and seven convicted) for lynching those boys. Never a mention of what had happened there, or the Klan, or Apartheid, or race.

Now, today, that speech at Philadelphia, Mississippi has disappeared from the corporatist rewrite to Reagan's career.

Fact is, Reagan wanted so-called "States Rights" votes. Contrary to what corporate television tells you, he got them.

Know Reagan by his acts; know him by his words. Remember him for Philadelphia, Mississippi. Remember him politically as one more round of Richard Nixon.

CONTINUED...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/10/1261607/-Hoaxes-101-Ronald-Reagan-s-1980-States-Rights-KKK-Speech-in-Mississippi-Didn-t-Happen-No-More#



Thanks for giving a damn about this and everything else, Hoyt. Even though we don't always agree, you always are kind to others.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
111. I have to admit, I'm on my phone and pretty much just looked at the photo. Just went back
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:55 PM
Jun 2015

I saw what I should have seen earlier. Great post, great photo. Glad we agree on this issue.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
105. Racism has always been acceptable in the US
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jun 2015

Chattel slavery, the extermination of indigenous peoples, exploitation of poor immigrant labor - what do you think this country was built on? Oh, and not to mention America's own imperialist adventures overseas, which has been the norm and the rule for over 100 years now.

Blaming it all on Reagan or any individual political personality is missing the forest for the trees. It's nothing new.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
109. Except Reagan worked to reverse the progress other presidents had made.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:49 PM
Jun 2015

As I thought that would be obvious, it shows I need to work on my communication skills.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
114. Presidents can't do anything progressive without masses of ordinary people demanding that they do it
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:59 PM
Jun 2015

There were lots of liberal organizations, labor unions, civil rights groups, etc. that were all holding FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ, and other politicians feet to the fire. Hell, in the 30s and 40s, the Communist Party USA had a formidable presence, and could demand even more radical policies. Congress was controlled by Democrats back then (with one exception: 1947-1949), and even with the Southern Democrats' reactionary stances on race and labor, there were still a fair number of moderate Republicans who voted for the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act and some other progressive issues. Those days are long gone.

I agree that Reagan was a very negative long-term influence, but he didn't appear out of nowhere. He emerged from the support of a well-organized and well-funded coalition of right-wing business interests - especially embodied by the military-industrial complex in places like Southern California. He also had the support of most business interests nationwide, who had turned rightward in the 70s in the wake of labor agitation and other grassroots movements in the 60s and 70s.

Also, a lot of white middle-class Democrats voted for Reagan in 1980, and even more in 1984. How do you account for that? Racism, maybe; coupled with the GOP's use of "law and order" rhetoric and complaints about "welfare queens" and rising taxes and so-called 'stagflation." Plus, a lot people thought America was "losing" the Cold War by the late 70s, especially after Vietnam. Reagan exploited and capitalized on those sentiments.

 

SaranchaIsWaiting

(247 posts)
113. That is one cruel and awful person. Guatemala and all the others...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:58 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.alternet.org/noam-chomsky-nuclear

Noam Chomsky: Ronald Reagan's Secret, Genocidal Wars
Reagan waged a murderous assault on Central America.

But truth was unwelcome. It interfered with the objectives set by Reagan’s national security team in 1981. As reported by the journalist Robert Parry, working from a document he discovered in the Reagan Library, the team’s goal was to supply military aid to the right-wing regime in Guatemala in order to exterminate not only “Marxist guerrillas” but also their “civilian support mechanisms” – which means, effectively, genocide.

The task was carried out with dedication. Reagan sent “nonlethal” equipment to the killers, including Bell helicopters that were immediately armed and sent on their missions of death and destruction.

But the most effective method was to enlist a network of client states to take over the task, including Taiwan and South Korea, still under U.S.-backed dictatorships, as well as apartheid South Africa and the Argentine and Chilean dictatorships.

At the forefront was Israel, which became the major arms supplier to Guatemala. It provided instructors for the killers and participated in counterinsurgency operations.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
149. Reagan was one of the worst since Andrew Jackson.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:51 PM
Jun 2015

That genocidal bastard funded the death squads that hunted natives like animals, raped nuns, etc.

struggle4progress

(118,273 posts)
115. Well, in all fairness to Ronnie the Empty Suit, Tricky Dick was really pretty bad too:
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:06 PM
Jun 2015
... in an Oval Office meeting, Nixon said that black people couldn’t run Jamaica. “Blacks can’t run it. Nowhere, and they won’t be able to for a hundred years, and maybe not for a thousand ... Do you know, maybe one black country that’s well run?” ...
DICK STRIKES AGAIN
08.21.13
Nixon Tapes Reveal Anti-Semitic, Racist Comments

... "I've just recognized that, you know, all people have certain traits," Nixon said during a Feb. 13, 1973, conversation with Charles W. Colson ... "The Jews have certain traits. The Irish have certain - for example, the Irish can't drink. What you always have to remember with the Irish is they get mean. Virtually every Irish I've known gets mean when he drinks. It's sort of a natural trait ... The Italians, of course, just don't have their heads screwed on tight. They are wonderful people, but . . ." he trailed off, adding later: "The Jews are just a very aggressive and abrasive and obnoxious personality" ...
New Nixon tapes reveal anti-Semitic, racist remarks
By Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, December 12, 2010
 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
119. The difference is that Nixon was caught doing criminal acts
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:15 PM
Jun 2015

And would have almost certainly been impeached, if not for his cowardly resignation. Unfortunately, Ford pardoned him, and then Reagan and both George Bushes were never held accountable for their crimes. Iran-Contra alone should have been enough to send both Reagan and Bush Sr. out of office and into prison for a very long time.

Incidentally, one of Nixon's biggest defenders during Watergate? Yup, Reagan.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
141. Had Reagan been impeached, his forced testimony would have outed his alzheimers
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:24 PM
Jun 2015

What we didn't know then...

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
194. Would've outted Poppy Bush's treason, too.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:57 AM
Jun 2015




BUSH PARDONS WEINBERGER, FIVE OTHERS TIED TO IRAN-CONTRA

Calls Weinberger "true American patriot"

By Dian McDonald
USIA White House Correspondent, Dec. 24, 1992

Washington -- President Bush December 24 granted pardons to former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger and five other individuals for their conduct related to the Iran-Contra affair.

Bush said Weinberger -- who had been scheduled to go on trial in Washington January 5 on charges related to Iran-Contra -- was a "true American patriot," who had served with "distinction" in a series of public positions since the late 1960s.

"I am pardoning him not just out of compassion or to spare a 75-year-old patriot the torment of lengthy and costly legal proceedings, but to make it possible for him to receive the honor he deserves for his extraordinary service to our country," Bush said in a proclamation granting executive clemency.

The president also pardoned five other persons who already had pleaded guilty or had been indicted or convicted in connection with the Iran-Contra arms-for-hostages investigation. They were Elliott Abrams, a former assistant secretary of state for Inter-American affairs; former National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane; and Duane Clarridge, Alan Fiers, and Clair George, all former employees of the Central Intelligence Agency.

Explaining those pardons, Bush said the "common denominator of their motivation -- whether their actions were right or wrong -- was patriotism." They did not profit or seek to profit from their conduct, Bush said, adding that all five "have already paid a price -- in depleted savings, lost careers, anguished families -- grossly disproportionate to any misdeeds or errors of judgment they may have committed."

Asked about the pardons at a news conference in Little Rock, Arkansas, later in the day, President-elect Clinton said he did not have all the details on the matter and would withhold comment until he had had a chance to study the president's statement and related information.

However, Clinton said he was concerned "by any action which sends a signal that, if you work for the government, you're above the law, or that not telling the truth to Congress under oath is somehow less serious than not telling the truth to some other body under oath."

SNIP...

[font color="red"]Bush said the prosecutions of the persons he was pardoning on Christmas Eve represent "what I believe is a profoundly troubling development in the political and legal climate of our country: the criminalization of policy differences."[/font color]

CONTINUED...

http://fas.org/news/iran/1992/921224-260039.htm



Crooked veep would never have become president -- and he never could've pardon Cap Weinberger and the rest of the BFEE pack. He never would've lied America into war on Iraq in 1991 and his idiot son Smirko never would've re-invaded it in 2003. And no one would even be thinking Jebthro in '16!
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
129. FTR: Goodman, Chaney, and Schwerner were more than "marchers";
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:41 PM
Jun 2015

"The three young men had been working on the "Freedom Summer" campaign, attempting to prepare and register African Americans to vote after they had been disenfranchised since 1890."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_civil_rights_workers'_murders

"Mississippi Burning" is a great movie, with appropriately great actors.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
139. Thank you. That is an important distinction: ''Workers.''
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:18 PM
Jun 2015

June 21, 1964: James Chaney, Michael Schwerner, and Andrew Goodman went to investigate the burning of the Mt. Zion Church in the Longdale community in Neshoba County, near Philadelphia, Mississippi. While attempting to return to Meridian, Mississippi, they were arrested for traffic violations and jailed. After being released from jail at 10 pm, they disappeared. When they did not report in by phone as civil rights workers in Mississippi were trained to do, fellow activists began calling local and federal law enforcement officials. Although many feared the worst, none of them knew for certain that the activists had been killed on a rural roadway by a mob of white supremacists in conspiracy with Neshoba County law enforcement officials.

SOURCE w/LBJ audio, etc: http://millercenter.org/presidentialclassroom/exhibits/mississippi-burning

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
138. Don't forget the site of Reagan's first speech after receiving gthe 1980 Republican nomination.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:13 PM
Jun 2015

It was at Philadelphia, Mississippi, site of murders of three civil rights workers in 1964. That wasn't just a coincidence that the Reagan campaign chose that place for ANY speech, let alone his first after receiving the party's nomination.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
183. Philadelphia, Mississippi had a population of about 5,000 and had no significance whatsoever
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 12:53 PM
Jun 2015

except as the holiest of holy shrines of the Ku Klux Klan for the murder of the white, black, and Jewish civil rights workers. Reagan chose it to make the Klan happy and to get Klan votes. Reagan was a scum bucket extraordinaire.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
143. Sometimes actors come across as pretty superficial, but I often think
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:28 PM
Jun 2015

of the shrewdness of the words I read in a newspaper a long time ago, of a Hollywood film-star, who was a contemporary of Reagan. She said that he was known among them as 'Little Ronnie'.

It's interesting because, of course, physically, he was not small (except for a pin-head), so they can only have been referring to his pusillanimity, the smallness of his soul.

wolfie001

(2,225 posts)
144. A lot of retrograde thinking keeps....
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:28 PM
Jun 2015

....electing these symbols of hatred. Look at the repuke Presidential wannabee Clown Car! Unfreakin' believeable!

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
147. Reagan also killed
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:42 PM
Jun 2015

the national energy policy that Carter was pushing. Now, the mornings in America are warmer than they were then and getting warmer.

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
148. K&R! I thought it was going to be Poppy Bush refering to Jeb's kids as his "little brown babies"....
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:50 PM
Jun 2015

This nails it down, too! Thanks for the thread, Octafish...

Keep up the good fight!

Peace,

Ghost

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
185. Bush Defends 'Little Brown Ones' Term for Grandchildren, Tells 'Pride and Love'
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 01:37 PM
Jun 2015

August 17, 1988|Associated Press

NEW ORLEANS — A bristling Vice President George Bush today defended his description of his three Mexican-American grandchildren as "the little brown ones," saying, "This heart knows nothing but pride and love" for the children.

"For anyone to suggest that that comment of pride is anything other than what it was, I find it personally offensive," Bush said at a news conference with his running mate, Sen. Dan Quayle of Indiana.

Bush on Tuesday introduced his grandchildren to President Reagan at a brief airport meeting.

"These are Jebby's kids from Florida, the little brown ones," the vice president said. The three youngsters are the children of Bush's son, Jeb, and his Mexican-born wife, Columba.

SNIP...

But in Los Angeles, Al Belmontez, vice president of one of the local labor chapters of the Mexican-American Political Assn., said Bush's remark reflected insensitivity.

"Just saying that means he knows they're different. He didn't say, 'Those are my grandchildren.' He didn't just refer to the kids by their names," Belmontez said. "That just shows that he's . . . insensitive."

SNIP...

Treasury Secretary James A. Baker III, Bush's campaign chairman, told reporters, "The vice president is extremely proud of the fact that his grandchildren are 50% Hispanic."

SOURCE: http://articles.latimes.com/1988-08-17/news/mn-655_1_pride

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
187. Thanks for the background and links, Octafish!
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 04:16 PM
Jun 2015

I knew about Poppy saying that, but I was either too busy, too tired or too lazy (lol) to look up the source at the time I posted. I figured that you would have it somewhere in your "Know your BFEE" archives though.

Thanks for all that you do.

Peace,

Ghost

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
150. Yes, following in the footsteps of Richard Nixon.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:51 PM
Jun 2015

As much as I hated Richard Nixon (which was a lot), Ronald Reagan was even worse. I'll never understand how he attracted some Democratic voters, nor how he ever became a respected dead president.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
158. Bookmarked and K & R. Thanks for restoring some historical perspective to the debate.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jun 2015

From the very day that evil-grinning, oily-headed, Hollywood cutout was inaugurated, I knew that the US I had known was set on a dangerous downward spiral. Argued as much with my RW-nut family.

Despised Nixon, but my contempt and FEAR of the symbolism of a Reagan presidency knew no bounds.



Octafish

(55,745 posts)
166. UTUSN!
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:33 AM
Jun 2015
Curious George gets an Oval Office

That Geritol Monkeyskull coulda majored in The Method.



A Fresh Look

Nazis and the Republican Party

by Carla Binion

EXCERPT...

Journalist Martin A. Lee, has written for The Nation, Rolling Stone, The San Francisco Chronicle, and other publications. In THE BEAST REAWAKENS, Lee confirms that during both the Reagan and Bush years, the Republican Party's ethnic outreach arm recruited members from the Nazi émigré network.

Lee says that the Republican Party's ethnic outreach division had an outspoken hatred of President Jimmy Carter's Office of Special Investigations (OSI), an organization dedicated to tracking down and prosecuting Nazi war collaborators who entered this country illegally. Former Republican Pat Buchanan attacked Carter's OSI after it deported a few suspected Nazi war criminals.

According to Lee, public relations man Harold Keith Thompson was principal U.S. point man for the postwar Nazi support network known as die Spinne, or the Spider. In the late 40s and early 50s, Thompson worked as the chief North American representative for the remaining National Socialist German Worker's Party and the SS. Lee writes that the wealthy Thompson gave generously to Republican candidates Senator Jesse Helms and would-be senator Oliver North. Thompson's money gained him membership in the GOP's Presidential Legion of Merit. Lee says Thompson also "received numerous thank-you letters from the Republican National Committee." Those letters are now in the Hoover Institute Special Collections Library.

CONTINUED...

http://www.bartcop.com/nazigop.htm

Great to read you!

man4allcats

(4,026 posts)
160. Racism has always been acceptable in the United States.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:54 PM
Jun 2015

Of course many have and do oppose it, but sadly it has always been and continues to be a defining feature of America. Regrettably, racism in one form or another is probably universal throughout human society, but hopefully the day will come when it will not be one of the defining characteristics of any given civilization.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
165. That's why I find it odd for the PRESIDENT to lead its resurgence.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:27 AM
Jun 2015

You'd think that the occupant of the Oval Office would actually, you know, enforce the law. As the press and history books have failed to call him out on it, I wanted to point it out.

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
168. It was screamed in the 80's, and it was 100% true: Reagan was a god damned puppet.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:18 AM
Jun 2015

It's embarrassing that so many see him as the great American.
Arrrrgh!

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
170. Octafish, I can always count on you to cut through the crap.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 04:44 AM
Jun 2015

You are truly a DU treasure. Just a hat tip. Peace.

Rafale

(291 posts)
173. Reagan
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 08:02 AM
Jun 2015

That's bull. Reagan nearly wiped out civilization by almost starting a nuclear war, but racism has ALWAYS been acceptable in the US without interruption.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
177. I don't think racism has ever acceptable
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 08:59 AM
Jun 2015

But I think it does get swept under the carpet and ignored too often.

This is a bit off-topic, but an interesting illustration. I teach ESL in South Korea and in the last chapter of the book this term there was a question about public behavior. The question was something like: If someone behaved improperly in public, would you speak up and say something to the person? Now Korea is a much different society. Conflict is avoided and harmony is important in Korea, so not surprisingly most of my students said no.

Ok, back to my point....

I do have to wonder how many ordinary people in the US would speak up if they saw something happen in public like racism. While I think most Americans are more open about their feelings (certainly more than Koreans), I have a sense that many people would not speak up.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
192. Sec. of Education Terrel H. Bell spoke up. Ask Ed Meese.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:02 AM
Jun 2015
Bell Book Says Officials Told Racist Jokes : Reagan Aide Says He Doubts Claim by Ex-Education Secretary

October 21, 1987|Associated Press

WASHINGTON — President Reagan's first secretary of education says mid-level Administration officials made racist jokes and other scurrilous remarks during civil rights discussions, but Reagan's chief spokesman said Tuesday he does not believe it.

Terrel H. Bell, in a memoir of Reagan's first term, said the slurs included references to the late Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. as "Martin Lucifer Coon" and calling Title IX, a federal law guaranteeing women equal educational opportunity, "the lesbian's bill of rights."

SNIP...

Bell did not identify those who made the racist or scurrilous comments. He could not be reached for further comment.

In his book, he says the jokes about King were made as Reagan was deciding whether to sign or veto a bill establishing King's birthday as a national holiday. He eventually signed it.

Bell said: "I do not mean to imply that these scurrilous remarks were common utterances in the rooms and corridors of the White House and the Old Executive Office Building, but I heard them when issues related to civil rights enforcement weighed heavily on my mind."

Bell added: "It seemed obvious they were said for my benefit, since they often accompanied sardonic references to 'Comrade Bell.' "

CONTINUED...

http://articles.latimes.com/1987-10-21/news/mn-9912_1_racist-jokes

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
204. I commend him for that
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:31 AM
Jun 2015

He's the exception I think. The deep seeded racism in the US is not challenged enough. In the case of the shootings in Charlotte, this is one of the rare examples where people are challenging it and the association of the Confederate Flag with how AA people have been treated. But if Joe Bob is talking to his neighbor down the street saying racists things what are the chances someone challenges him. In other words, I'm talking about everyday instances.

As I've stated before I grew up in a hicktown (from the time I was about 10 until 18) and never understood the hatred toward minorities when I was that age.

MinM

(2,650 posts)
189. Today in 1964
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 11:41 PM
Jun 2015
Michael Beschloss ?@BeschlossDC: Civil rights heroes Schwerner, Chaney & Goodman were murdered today1964 in Mississippi:



Also, not to get too far afield here, this Jeffrey Sterling whistleblowing on the CIA case is disgusting ..

Jeff Stein ?@SpyTalker: Moving story about the vicious prosecution of Jeffrey Sterling.
@the_intercept: "I don't know what my future is. Do I have a future?" CIA whistleblower speaks out: http://interc.pt/1CfF60M


Although it's not totally analogous to the Abraham Bolden case .. there are some parallels.

SpartanDem

(4,533 posts)
196. Only the most pollyannaish white liberal could ever believe this BS
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:13 AM
Jun 2015

because America was so racially harmonious prior Regan

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
197. Hey! That's EXACTLY what my Republican neighbor said!
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jun 2015

10 Real Facts About Ronald Reagan That Republicans Never Choose to Admit

By Matthew Rozsa
MIC.com, March 14, 2014

Is this hero worship justified? Here are ten facts about Ronald Reagan that many in the GOP have awkwardly forgotten:

1. Reagan fought against civil rights for African Americans.

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MLK Jr. during a press conference in 1964.

Reagan's transformation from actor to serious political figure began in the 1960s, first with a nationally televised speech on behalf of presidential candidate Barry Goldwater and then with his election as governor of California. This was also the decade in which the civil rights bills that ended legalized racism were passed ... and Reagan was on record opposing all of them, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Fair Housing Act of 1968.

Reagan continued this pattern as president by gutting the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), fighting the extension of the Voting Rights Act, vetoing the Civil Rights Restoration Act (which required all recipients of federal funds to comply with civil rights laws) and initially opposing the creation of Martin Luther King, Jr. Day (he changed his tune when it passed Congress with a veto-proof majority).

2. Reagan vetoed an anti-apartheid bill.

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Nelson Mandela.

Reagan further tarnished his record on racial equality when he vetoed the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act, which imposed economic sanctions on South Africa that could only be lifted when that country abolished apartheid. Although Reagan argued this was because he worried the sanctions would prompt the South African government to respond with "more violence and more repression," critics pointed to his administration's close relationship with the apartheid regime, well-known belief that anti-apartheid groups like the African National Congress were Communistic, oversight of the decision to label Nelson Mandela as a terrorist and weakening of a UN resolution condemning apartheid.

Considering that the bill was supported by an overwhelming majority of South African apartheid opponents (including Nelson Mandela and Archbishop Desmond Tutu), his professed reason was widely met with skepticism. Fortunately, Congress overrode his veto.

3. Reagan supported the exploitation of Mexican-American farm workers.

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Cesar Chavez in 1973 visiting Colegio Cesar Chavez, the first four-year Mexican-American college in the United States.

One of the biggest contributors to Reagan's successful gubernatorial campaigns was California's wealthy "agro-business" industry. As such, it was not surprising that the newly-elected governor sided with his political benefactors over Cesar Chavez, who led the movement to end the underpayment and inhumane working conditions endured by over a million Mexican-American farm workers.

Of course, if one wishes to take Reagan at his word, you're left to believe that he supported the use of "stoop laborers" not because his rich buddies profited from this system, but because Mexicans were suitable for that lifestyle due to being "built close to the ground."

CONTINUED...

http://mic.com/articles/85379/10-real-facts-about-ronald-reagan-that-republicans-never-choose-to-admit

The rest of the article does a nice job, too, of showing how much America changed after Reagan for the worse. You may be too young to remember, but I remember.
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