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JustAnotherGen

(31,783 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:56 AM Jun 2015

The Racist Planned the hate crime for six months

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/18/dylann-roof-was-planning-attack_n_7616638.html

Dalton Tyler told ABC News that he'd known Roof for at least seven months, and that the 21-year-old was "planning something like that for six months."

ABC reports:

“He was big into segregation and other stuff,” Tyler said. “He said he wanted to start a civil war. He said he was going to do something like that and then kill himself.”

Tyler said he met Roof, a Lexington, South Carolina native, through a good friend. He also said Roof’s parents, with whom he said the suspect was “on and off,” had previously bought him a gun but never allowed him to take it with him until this past week.



Many of Roof's family members have repeatedly declined to comment on the 21-year-old suspect, but his friends, previous police reports and his uncle have painted a picture of a shut-in with no job and plenty of anger.



*Another snippet:
A childhood friend with whom Roof had recently become reacquainted said Roof started railing about the Trayvon Martin case in recent weeks, complaining about black people "taking over the world" and about the need for someone to do something about it for the sake of "the white race."



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The Racist Planned the hate crime for six months (Original Post) JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 OP
Why didn't this fool of a roommate call the police? BainsBane Jun 2015 #1
Because . . . JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #4
"Race Wars" - White supremacists have been planning it for years. blm Jun 2015 #2
Thanks for that JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #3
The nature of Roof's dialogue with others... LeftinOH Jun 2015 #5
+1 LiberalLoner Jun 2015 #6
Normal to them because they've been hearing about upcoming 'race wars' for decades. blm Jun 2015 #7
Thanks for this idea! JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #9
+1000000 Jamastiene Jun 2015 #11
Faux, hate radio and Republican politicians remind them every day that it is normal. nt tridim Jun 2015 #13
Agree... Bethany Rockafella Jun 2015 #18
Chillingly true. myrna minx Jun 2015 #25
Bigots tend to associate only with each other Warpy Jun 2015 #29
And no one said anything? Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #8
I wish they would arrest the roommate for being Jamastiene Jun 2015 #10
That could be dangerous though JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #12
I see what you are saying, but Jamastiene Jun 2015 #15
I miss Jackpine too! JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #16
So many good ones leaving us lately on DU. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #33
The roommate may not have known specific plan. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #31
Good point. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #32
Me too. You hear this a lot after monstrous killings like this whathehell Jun 2015 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Jun 2015 #14
Further cementing this as an act of terrorism. Behind the Aegis Jun 2015 #17
Yes, a racist hate crime. lovemydog Jun 2015 #19
'A shut-in with no job and plenty of anger.' There will be some changes in his life now. freshwest Jun 2015 #20
You rock! JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #23
LOL! I am a master of the blatantly obvious, no? n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #37
That photo...the agony and heartbreak. myrna minx Jun 2015 #26
I made a post out of it for you here: freshwest Jun 2015 #34
Thank you. Your post is so profound - it needed it's own thread. myrna minx Jun 2015 #35
"White Race" *chuckles* AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #21
I'll see that truth and raise you one DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #28
Nailed it! JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #36
kkick gollygee Jun 2015 #22
K&R Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #24
I'm not trying to claim that Roof is innocent of committing a heinous crime, ladjf Jun 2015 #27

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
1. Why didn't this fool of a roommate call the police?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:04 PM
Jun 2015

Black people taking over the world because .... Obama and Beyonce.

JustAnotherGen

(31,783 posts)
3. Thanks for that
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:07 PM
Jun 2015

I added my post to it - to my journal. Going to grab a salad then come back and check out your links.

LeftinOH

(5,353 posts)
5. The nature of Roof's dialogue with others...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:08 PM
Jun 2015

and the fact that none of the people in his orbit seemed to be terribly put off by it - says a lot about how completely 'normal' such sentiments must be within a certain sub-set of American culture.

blm

(113,019 posts)
7. Normal to them because they've been hearing about upcoming 'race wars' for decades.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jun 2015

With Obama in WH they are now focusing quite clearly on making it happen.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026864997

Warpy

(111,175 posts)
29. Bigots tend to associate only with each other
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jun 2015

so they can pretend their nonsensical and hatred ridden thinking is "just plain common sense."

They tend to avoid non bigots because they get tired of answering the question "What the fuck is the matter with you?"

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
10. I wish they would arrest the roommate for being
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:43 PM
Jun 2015

an accessory before the fact. He knew and didn't turn him in. If he seriously thought the racist shooter was serious about it, he should have turned him in.

JustAnotherGen

(31,783 posts)
12. That could be dangerous though
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:57 PM
Jun 2015

For example- I know today that Rick Santorum is basically egging Christians on to start killing people - because according to him - this punk killed Christians. It was all about Jesus.

Would I have to turn him in.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
15. I see what you are saying, but
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jun 2015

if the guy knew about these plans and didn't turn him in, isn't he really an accessory before the fact? I REALLY miss Jackpine Radical on days like today when I have numerous legal questions.

JustAnotherGen

(31,783 posts)
16. I miss Jackpine too!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:13 PM
Jun 2015

And misanthrope hasn't been well either - and always was great about talking us down!

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
31. The roommate may not have known specific plan.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:05 PM
Jun 2015

Were there specific details the shooter disclosed, or was it wishfull thinking? While the roommate should answer questions about why he didn't report the shooter as a threat, it may be just a matter of he thought the shooter was just talking shit, not a concrete plan.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
32. Good point.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jun 2015

In that case, if he didn't see any concrete plans or believed the shooter was just talking shit, they probably couldn't try to charge him as an accessory before the fact then. Very good point.

whathehell

(29,037 posts)
30. Me too. You hear this a lot after monstrous killings like this
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:18 PM
Jun 2015

The usual response to the obvious question is "I didn't think he was serious".

Response to JustAnotherGen (Original post)

Behind the Aegis

(53,922 posts)
17. Further cementing this as an act of terrorism.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jun 2015

If it was a 'spur of the moment' thing, it could still be terrorism, but that thought was placed into it, a target chosen, likely because of it's historical significance, only demonstrates this is really an act of terrorism directed at African-Americans.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
19. Yes, a racist hate crime.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jun 2015

I don't know what world some people live in, where they hear it said by the murderer and everyone who knows him and they still try and come up with their own reasons from inside their cobwebbed minds.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
20. 'A shut-in with no job and plenty of anger.' There will be some changes in his life now.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:43 PM
Jun 2015

1: He'll still be a shut-in.*
2: He'll have a job in prison.
3: Whether he'll be angry is up to him.

*Unless Barber signs a death warrant, then none of that will happen. I don't even honor him with a name. He caused this:


On the morning after the mass killing at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, Lisa Doctor joins a prayer circle down the street from the church. David Goldman / AP

The targeting of Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal is particularly significant given its history and symbolism. One of the people killed was Clementa Pinckney, a South Carolina state senator and Methodist pastor at the church, and the youngest African African ever elected to South Carolina’s legislature. In a 2013 lecture posted on YouTube, Pinckney spoke about Emanuel A.M.E.’s significance to Charleston and the nation.

“Where you are is a very special place in Charleston,” Pinckney said in the lecture, addressing an audience of visitors to the church...

In a nutshell, you can say that the African American church—and in particular, in South Carolina—really has seen it as its responsibility and its ministry and its calling to be fully integrated and caring about the lives of its constituents and the general community... Many of us don't see ourselves as just a place where we come and worship, but as a beacon, and as a bearer of the culture, and a bearer of what makes us a people. But I like to say that this is not necessarily unique to us; it's really what America is all about.

Could we not argue that America is about freedom—whether we live it out or not—but it really is about freedom, equality and the pursuit of happiness, and that's what church is all about. Freedom to worship, and freedom from sin, freedom to be fully what God intends us to be, and freedom to have equality in the sight of God. And sometimes you gotta make noise to do that. Sometimes, you maybe have to die, like Denmark Vesey, to do that. Sometimes you have to march, and struggle, and be unpopular to do that.


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/06/shooting-emanuel-ame-charleston/396209/?utm_source=SFTwitter

State Senator and Methodist pastor Clementa Pinckney was future presidential material.

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
26. That photo...the agony and heartbreak.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:58 PM
Jun 2015

She brought tears to my eyes.

Have you made this article an op? If not, I think you should make your whole post an op. It's very powerful.

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
35. Thank you. Your post is so profound - it needed it's own thread.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:49 AM
Jun 2015

My heart aches. I can't even imagine.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
21. "White Race" *chuckles*
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:09 PM
Jun 2015

White is an identity more than a race, unless you are talking about the Caucasoid skull people. Even then, what do asian Indians, Turkish people, and British people have in common in other things like culture?

Stupid racists.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
28. I'll see that truth and raise you one
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jun 2015

Many of the self identifying 'white" people are of English descent. Now, even if you can trace your lineage 10 generations back, England is mixed.

it is a mixture of Celts, Germans, Romans, Vikings, and anyone else the Roman Empire could import. They did a lot of that, because,according to Cicero, the Britons were too stupid to be trained as slaves. Oh yes, this does cover all of that Saxon vs Norman stuff they mentioned in Ivanhoe, as the Saxons hates those uppity french Viking Normans that conquered them in 1066.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
27. I'm not trying to claim that Roof is innocent of committing a heinous crime,
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:03 PM
Jun 2015

but he didn't make up all of that crap about the blacks "taking over the world" with his own brain. Some adults, that he looks up to,
have been preaching that to him all of his life. His brain has been reduced to "mush". He has become a robot.
If this crime were to be investigated thoroughly, the adult or adults that have been programming him will come to light. It could be family members, adult friends or media personalities. The man has been totally abused mentally. But, in the end, he is still a violent racist criminal and deserves a harsh sentence.

When they question him, they should ask him if he has ever heard adults talking about "blacks taking over" and if he says "yes" than find out who they are.




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