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sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 08:23 PM Jun 2015

Fires in Black Churches in Four Southern States: ARSON Suspected

Posted on June 27, 2015 by Ametia

You know what? Fuck the media & their reports on ISIS.

There has been No coverage of the string of ARSON commited on Black churches. This is how some bitter, white folks are handling the push back on calling that murder Dylann Roof exactly what he is, a fucking white supremacist & racial terrorist, and the call to take down that racists flag.

These evil bastards just will NOT go gently into that that hot HELL they deserve. And of course they are COWARDS, doing their evil works in the nightime.(DARKNESS) And Black folks are labeled as dark & evil. The gull..

This is their response, MORE TERROR & VIOLENCE against Black people and their HOUSES OF WORSHIP.



More, A Lot More http://3chicspolitico.com/2015/06/27/fires-in-black-churches-in-four-southern-states-arson-suspected/

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Fires in Black Churches in Four Southern States: ARSON Suspected (Original Post) sheshe2 Jun 2015 OP
Yikes-- back to reality Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #1
Fugitives and CNN For Freddie Jun 2015 #36
Excellent post... Check out Convention of States, Tenther Movement, Constitutional Party, and SPLC. freshwest Jun 2015 #42
you make good points Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #48
Suspected? They wil be caught hopefully before more innocent people are hurt AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #2
K&R! When will it end? nt tblue37 Jun 2015 #3
Stop it stop it stop it shenmue Jun 2015 #4
6 churches in 1 week, 3 definitely arson Nevernose Jun 2015 #5
Six in a week? okasha Jun 2015 #9
all fairly close together, within a few hundred miles. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2015 #67
Meanwhile CNN is busy chasing phantom ISIS dildos at gay pride parades....the media is Ground Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #6
That cracked me up malaise Jun 2015 #30
fuck CNN and the MSM-- they serve mainly to distract and mislead Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #49
Home grown terrorism Iliyah Jun 2015 #7
The so called Media gave thiry seconds to Wellstone ruled Jun 2015 #8
Not fair - ABC, CBS and NBC networks covered the Obama eulogy live malaise Jun 2015 #31
Excatly what I meant. Wellstone ruled Jun 2015 #41
On that you are correct malaise Jun 2015 #47
The Gaurdian had a few blurb's. Wellstone ruled Jun 2015 #51
This happened 20+ years ago BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #10
The 1990's-2015. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #18
Yes, but it is STILL happening. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #26
Well... what happened the last go-around BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #35
Damn Them! burrowowl Jun 2015 #11
The silence from the networks and cable television is malaise Jun 2015 #12
and we have home grown terrorist right here all around us in our own country. n/t Stellar Jun 2015 #14
I don't believe that at all, malaise. brer cat Jun 2015 #23
Same here brer cat malaise Jun 2015 #27
Downright scary treestar Jun 2015 #13
It probably is. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #20
I hope that they are watching the church in Charleston. IMO that would be the ultimate target jwirr Jun 2015 #15
Dear god iandhr Jun 2015 #16
Suspected? HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #17
K&R betsuni Jun 2015 #19
The South Again - Southern Whites Again - Despicable cantbeserious Jun 2015 #21
So incredibly sad, she.. Well said by Ametia.. Cha Jun 2015 #22
The article made me cry Cha. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #24
Beautiful ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #65
K&R Jamastiene Jun 2015 #25
+1,000 malaise Jun 2015 #28
KnR sheshe2 Jun 2015 #33
At what point will it be called "terrorism" LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2015 #29
When evidence is provided. Until then, we can't predict the future ... seveneyes Jun 2015 #32
Evidence is always required for a white terrorist, must wait for all the facts because....again Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #50
Roaches only come out at night. 40RatRod Jun 2015 #34
True, and.... sheshe2 Jun 2015 #38
Cowards. EEO Jun 2015 #37
WOW!!! uponit7771 Jun 2015 #39
Now watch, some RW asshole will claim this is a "false flag" to blame white people.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #40
I didn't hear about this, thanks for this sheshe flamingdem Jun 2015 #43
Hey flamingdem. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #44
The racists can be defanged flamingdem Jun 2015 #45
Wow. DU is the only place I've read about this. gollygee Jun 2015 #46
who made themselves god ? allan01 Jun 2015 #52
The White Supremacist Groups are domestic terrorists. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #53
Yeap, the KKK is officially a federally designated terrorist organization by Grant uponit7771 Jun 2015 #56
the lack of coverage of this arson proves that black lives don't matter to the powers that be. craigmatic Jun 2015 #54
It shames me to know that I more than likely share the same madokie Jun 2015 #55
There STILL has been NO coverage at all... Spazito Jun 2015 #57
That picture is so sad. The hate needs to stop. Glimmer of Hope Jun 2015 #58
I hope they catch the arsonist(s) and throw the book at them. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #59
It's sad to see racism is still alive and prevalent in America. lburnhamah_198 Jun 2015 #60
One of those fires was about 10 miles from where I live. GoCubsGo Jun 2015 #61
enough is enough ... no longer must we allow ourselves "to slip into a comfortable silence" napkinz Jun 2015 #62
The President gets it. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #63
The Tallahassee fire is believed to have been electrical KamaAina Jun 2015 #64
kick napkinz Jun 2015 #66
we're up to SIX now ... where are MSM on this? (remember how they covered Baltimore) napkinz Jul 2015 #68

For Freddie

(79 posts)
36. Fugitives and CNN
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:16 PM
Jun 2015

I could not understand why CNN is beating the dead horse of the fugitives in northern New York as they are.
I knew it was some kind of fugazi distraction.

And here we are again.... Just like in the past.
Same old hate, bigotry, violence, stupidity.

It is their answer to Obama's powerful eulogy yesterday.
They can't do anything legally so they are going to keep going to
to push their "race war". And make no mistake, there is RW
money behind this.

They need to change the narrative away from the power of the eulogy and ruling yesterday. Away from the taking down of the flag. To them this IS war.
They WANT to cause violence, death, destruction and fear. And they are being allowed to do that. WATCH... this all precedes the "State's Right" narrative for RW candidates for the 2016 election.

Yesterday I made the mistake of engaging my right wing white cousin who transplanted his family from the north east to North Carolina home of Jesse Helm and Strom Thurmond because the white culture there make him feel "safe". He was raving about how
wonderful Scalia's brief was. To me it sounded demented and he was off his meds.

I realized this stuff goes very very deep and these kinds of attacks and violence are going to continue until the federal government intervenes. It's up to us to make sure it does. Everyone, write to the White House about this. OUT THIS, make a big stink until we get the attention and RESPECT this deserves.

There is desperation about the 2016 election. The RW need to create some kind of "crisis" where they receive the support
they feel they need to keep going. And that support is receding . Only desperation and self destruction is left for them. The right wing whipped this up and now here it is. You cannot use cross hairs on election posters like the RW has used in the past and not expect violence to escalate. It is a cynical agenda. This is just bullying and mean girls intimidation.

The issue of "states rights" is being pushed very hard. They WANT
a "race war". So... we will have to go to "Domestic Terrorism" on a federal level. They are desperately trying to build a narrative to cover the gerry manding so they can "appear' to win the election when they don't.. They are creating crisis.
This violence is part of building that narrative. The strategy of
of them being "victims" has been taken from them. To incite Federal intervention WOULD be a big talking point on Faux.

THIS is their push back. The only way to overcome this is UNITY.
HERE. For all of us, to write to the White House and to make this issue and these destructive hateful actions known. Write Rachel Maddow, write to Rev. Al,write to everyone until we see this story in the MSM.

UNITY and Action is what is needed. And if no one else is going to do it WE WILL! They feel they "have the guns", well as Jimmy Morrison said in the 60's WE HAVE THE NUMBERS. If a state can't or won't do the RIGHT THING,the lawful thing, then the Federal Government will have to. AGAIN.
As the Ramones said, "Hey Ho, Let's Go".

P.S. Check out James Comey on Wikipedia.
He is the head of the FBI and he says all of this
is NOT domestic terrorism? WHY?






freshwest

(53,661 posts)
42. Excellent post... Check out Convention of States, Tenther Movement, Constitutional Party, and SPLC.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:33 AM
Jun 2015

Not saying you haven't, but they are pushing for an Article V convention from the state legislatures if they get enough, to repeal a lot of Amendments they don't like.

Also they are doing a sort of slow secession from the federal Union with the state laws. They also have been preparing for a civil war, for which they are arming and encouraging each other to train for protracted guerilla action fight the Feds, and all authorities.

They've become 'a breed apart' and they are kept in that state. The RW has been very busy.

Now many decent people did take to heart and are going to continue to call for and take down the American Swastika and stop other good things. But they can't do it alone.

Those willing to engage the legislatures of the nation will make the change, not those who don't. That means getting involved in EVERYTHING. The RW are involved in every aspect of our lives while others argue with each other and it done under our noses, as if it was a settled idea that we'd continue as we have with good things.

And yes, the media is owned by about half dozen billionaires who have done little but to edit, promote or degrade based on what their masters tell them.

Thanks for your post.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
48. you make good points
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:23 AM
Jun 2015

As to the FBI and domestic terrorism , you should watch this DN segment if you haven't:
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/6/25/does_us_ignore_right_wing_terror

IMO, there's just no money in going after right-wing white terror-- not like Islamic terror.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
5. 6 churches in 1 week, 3 definitely arson
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jun 2015

The other three are still being investigated. South Carolina, Tallahassee, Knoxville, Macon GA: all fairly close together, within a few hundred miles.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
67. all fairly close together, within a few hundred miles.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 10:24 PM
Jun 2015

Well, to be fair....down here every where is close together. I can drive to any 5 Southern states in just a few hours, and be back in time for dinner.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. Meanwhile CNN is busy chasing phantom ISIS dildos at gay pride parades....the media is Ground
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 08:42 PM
Jun 2015

Zero for the culture of racism and bigotry in America..... not covering racism and bigotry is racism and bigotry,

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. The so called Media gave thiry seconds to
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 08:49 PM
Jun 2015

Mr. Obama's Funeral Remarks,what do you expect,move along nothing to see.

malaise

(268,713 posts)
31. Not fair - ABC, CBS and NBC networks covered the Obama eulogy live
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:59 PM
Jun 2015

and several cable channels did the same. Networks cut regular programing. CSpan showed the entire funeral three times.

I was pissed the the coverage of the two convicts for four hours in the afternoon when people had reached home, but both Rachel and Lemon repeated his eulogy uninterrupted

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
41. Excatly what I meant.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 12:57 AM
Jun 2015

Not a follow up on any of the M$M today. Mr. Obama's Eulogy was History making and if on looks at all the subtleties of today's News,the President's message shook this Nation to the core. Since our Fake Noise machines as usual failed to report what was truly happening,just another day nothing here move along.

malaise

(268,713 posts)
47. On that you are correct
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 07:28 AM
Jun 2015

A discussion on institutional racism and white supremacy following that eulogy was definitely required. They can run but they can't hide and that discussion is coming.
Bree's climbing that flag pole and the other young man with her will keep the discussion going.

I was amazed watching CNN how much they had on the Tunisian killer's family - only the Daily Mail covered Roofs family with that kind of detail.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
51. The Gaurdian had a few blurb's.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:32 PM
Jun 2015

And,on the same token,all Scrippts.Gannett and other Rightee Papers just plain blew their chances of relevancy in the real world.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
18. The 1990's-2015.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:16 PM
Jun 2015

The hate has not changed. Just angry white men in need of holding on to the last vestiges of their White Privilege. In a few years, they will be the minority. They are terrified.

*****

At the same time, a new computer bulletin board opened up in the area. Calling itself the “Gay Agenda Resistance,” the electronic network offers its subscribers tips on how to stop the gay rights movement in the Pacific Northwest. With the right passwords, it also includes tips on how to target their opponents with violence.

Is this a coincidence? Probably not. What this story illustrates is how the white supremacist movement in America has learned to shift its tactics. No longer able to rely on open racism as an effective recruiting tactic, they have now found a more socially acceptable target for hate — lesbians and gays.

Is this a new white supremacist movement? Does this mean they no longer hate people of color, Jews, feminists, immigrants, etc.? No and No. The number of hate crimes in this country is evidence that hatred still exists as a family value.

Hate groups in the mid-1990s are refocusing their energies. They are worried that they can never convince the majority of white Americans to join them in their netherworld. While many whites may share their prejudices, very few are willing to act on them by openly carrying a Klan calling card or an Uzi. This situation demands a new strategy that combines old hatreds with new rhetoric. White supremacists desperately need to reinvigorate their movement with new recruits by manipulating white fears into action.


http://publicgood.org/archives/white-supremacy-in-the-1990s/

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
26. Yes, but it is STILL happening.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jun 2015

That is the point. It hasn't QUIT happening because nothing is getting done about it. MSM points out the latest shiny thing and people get distracted. I would rather hear they are actually arresting people for these arsons than hear one more story about morons who go into waters off the coast of NC where they KNOW ALREADY that sharks are feeding right now. I hope no blonde girls go missing, because they will drag that out for ages and STILL not cover this. It needs to be seen, known, and something needs to be done about it.

BumRushDaShow

(128,506 posts)
35. Well... what happened the last go-around
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:10 PM
Jun 2015

was you had David Duke pulling off the sheets and putting on a suit to make white supremacy and white power, "respectable". But because of the death and destruction during the period, a number of those groups were literally bankrupted, beginning with the KKK, and later going after Aryan Nation. The persistence essentially threw them back underground for awhile as they were being dismantled.

The one big difference between now and then is that now, you have a robust internet to get that info out because relying on the M$M to cover anything that doesn't "bleed" or goes missing off a radar, is a crap shoot.

The odd circumstance of this past Friday was the quandary that the media had with reporting the Supreme Court decisions the same day as a major Eulogy by the President after one of the worst racial attacks in generations, while there were "terrorist" attacks going on overseas... It was remarkable how any other time, "terra terra terra" would trump all for their coverage, but this time, it oddly did not.

malaise

(268,713 posts)
12. The silence from the networks and cable television is
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:00 PM
Jun 2015

deafening. They are more concerned with ISIS.

brer cat

(24,524 posts)
23. I don't believe that at all, malaise.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:32 PM
Jun 2015

ISIS is a very handy distraction. They know exactly what they are doing, and they will continue to cover for the white man.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
13. Downright scary
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:01 PM
Jun 2015

It could even be the same people going around doing it. I hope the FBI gets to the bottom of it.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
20. It probably is.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:18 PM
Jun 2015

And hopefully they're caught soon, if the FBI isn't too busy ginning up fake terrorists to prosecute.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
15. I hope that they are watching the church in Charleston. IMO that would be the ultimate target
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:06 PM
Jun 2015

for the sick minds that we are seeing in this. Same as the Twin Towers was a target for the 9/11 terrorists.

Cha

(296,857 posts)
22. So incredibly sad, she.. Well said by Ametia..
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:26 PM
Jun 2015

"These evil bastards just will NOT go gently into that that hot HELL they deserve. And of course they are COWARDS, doing their evil works in the nightime.(DARKNESS) And Black folks are labeled as dark & evil. The gull..

This is their response, MORE TERROR & VIOLENCE against Black people and their HOUSES OF WORSHIP."

Bree Newsome Is What Courage And Bravery Looks Like



GOD ?@Niall_JayDub
Cuz she a hero #FreeBree #BLACKGIRLMAGIC #still
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http://theobamadiary.com/2015/06/27/bree-newsome-is-what-courage-and-bravery-looks-like/

I had to counter it with Bree, she~

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
24. The article made me cry Cha.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:34 PM
Jun 2015

This is their response, MORE TERROR & VIOLENCE against Black people and their HOUSES OF WORSHIP."

Yes, Bree.

Now that is a beautiful image. Take it down Take it down Take it DOWN.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
25. K&R
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:43 PM
Jun 2015

Plus, MSM using the "shiny thing" style of reporting about the two bumbling idiot prison escapees that couldn't make it across state lines in all that time, like that is THE MOST IMPORTANT news they can find.

Another shiny thing: I don't want to hear about the idiots going into the water after knowing sharks are feeding in that area either. Just because NC's leadership is too damn dumb to close the beach in that area doesn't mean people have to be equally dumb and climb right in only to come out missing a limb and acting all shocked. Sharks are feeding there right now. Don't go in the water until they are gone. FFS, it's idiots getting in the water even though they know the sharks are there. That's not news. That is morons displaying moronic behavior.

I really hate to see this domestic terrorism continue, unchecked. There were hundreds of black church burnings in the 90s and they have steadily happened through the years. It was in the news a tiny bit, back then, then disappeared and no one did anything about it. People quit talking about it time and again, yet it keeps happening routinely. It needs to be stopped.

K&R, hoping to keep the dialogue and awareness alive so it won't still be this way 20 years from now, still happening with little coverage or action to put a stop to it, like it was 20 years ago. It just keeps happening and people forget it is happening because MSM knows how to make up shiny things to distract people from the real news.

It is so frustrating.

malaise

(268,713 posts)
28. +1,000
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:54 PM
Jun 2015

It will all come to a head - soon and very soon - inherent contradictions eventually lead to self destruction.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
33. KnR
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jun 2015

Thank you Jamastiene.

Yes, they love those shiny things. Turned them off forever after Natalie Holloway 24/7.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
50. Evidence is always required for a white terrorist, must wait for all the facts because....again
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 10:10 AM
Jun 2015

the prevalence of white privilege....this is yet another example.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
40. Now watch, some RW asshole will claim this is a "false flag" to blame white people....
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:48 PM
Jun 2015

Hell, they'll even claim the minister burned his own church down as a ploy to raise a TON of sympathy money.

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
43. I didn't hear about this, thanks for this sheshe
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:39 AM
Jun 2015

There was bound to be a reaction and it needs to be covered so the authorities are all over it via public pressure.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
44. Hey flamingdem.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:56 AM
Jun 2015

Will they cover it? Will they react. I have my doubts. I hate to say that.

In the wake of Obama's eulogy, has anything changed?

Tears.

Thank you for responding, let us see what we can do about this.

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
45. The racists can be defanged
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 01:59 AM
Jun 2015

but it looks like it will take action, they need to be leashed, legally and with social pressure. The younger generations will change things, they're impatient about things (see flag pole story!)

madokie

(51,076 posts)
55. It shames me to know that I more than likely share the same
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jun 2015

skin color as the people I suspect that are guilty of these crimes. We have to step up and put a stop to this kind of terrorism.

Spazito

(50,161 posts)
57. There STILL has been NO coverage at all...
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 07:31 PM
Jun 2015

on any mainstream news outlets either on cable or the internet. Absolutely disgusting, imo. Without your OP I would have had no idea there had been so many, the media only covered one and that was for a 'microsecond' of air time.

 

lburnhamah_198

(6 posts)
60. It's sad to see racism is still alive and prevalent in America.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jun 2015

After 50 years of legislation and reform brought on by the Civil Rights movement, you would think that this country would become more tolerant and enlightened. This nasty incident shows that's simply not the case. I fear that this display of violence is just a preview of even more tragic events to come in the near future. Scary times we are living in.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
61. One of those fires was about 10 miles from where I live.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:33 PM
Jun 2015

When I saw it on TV and heard that it was a black church, I pretty much knew it was arson. This is the same county that gave us Lee Atwater...

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
62. enough is enough ... no longer must we allow ourselves "to slip into a comfortable silence"
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 04:20 AM
Jun 2015
"Every time something like this happens, somebody says we have to have a conversation about race. We talk a lot about race. There’s no shortcut. And we don’t need more talk....

"It would be a betrayal of everything Reverend Pinckney stood for, I believe, if we allowed ourselves to slip into a comfortable silence again.

"Once the eulogies have been delivered, once the TV cameras move on, to go back to business as usual — that’s what we so often do to avoid uncomfortable truths about the prejudice that still infects our society. To settle for symbolic gestures without following up with the hard work of more lasting change — that’s how we lose our way again."






napkinz

(17,199 posts)
68. we're up to SIX now ... where are MSM on this? (remember how they covered Baltimore)
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:23 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Wed Jul 1, 2015, 02:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Black Church Near Charleston Sixth to Burn in 10 Days

Wednesday, July 01, 2015

A historic black church just north of Charleston, South Carolina was on fire Tuesday night, making it the sixth predominantly black church in the United States to burn in the less than two weeks since a white supremacist massacred nine people, all of them African-American, at their parish.

This is not the first time the Mount Zion African Methodist Episcopal church in Greeleyville, a town of 400 people, has caught ablaze. In 1995 the Klu Klux Klan burned it down, almost 20 years to the date before Tuesday's inferno.

It is believed that no one was inside at the time of Tuesday's fire. The chief of the South Carolina Enforcement Division, Mark Keel, told the New York Times that it was too early to determine cause of the blaze.

Many suspect that the string of fires is part of an anti-black backlash in the wake of the white supremacist killings at Charleston's Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal church on June 17.

read more: http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/07/01/black-church-near-charleston-sixth-burn-10-days


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