Do you think "It's not right to say things about Bill Cosby because he hasn't been convicted" is

[stevenleser]

an acceptable position given everything we know at this time? Is it a decent way to handle 48 women accusing Cosby of similar rapes? Given what we know about Cosby admitting under oath to procuring Quaaludes in order to have sex with the women? Knowing what we know about rape culture, is it a Liberal or Progressive way to behave and to treat the experience of women to dismiss the allegations by saying "He hasn't been convicted"?

Whoopi Goldberg who I otherwise love and even several DUers have done this. Is this OK for you?

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[ann---]

1. No one is "dismissing the allegations"

by saying he hasn't been convicted. It just means
that the allegations haven't been proven in a court
of law.

[stevenleser]

2. That is dismissing the allegations. nt

[ann---]

3. No, it isn't

It would be "dismissing the allegations" if someone
said he was definitely not guilty. Saying allegations
aren't proven is NOT saying one is innocent.

What has happened to us that we cannot be reasonable
any more?

[stevenleser]

4. Yes, it is. nt

[ann---]

5. Really

sad that there are so few reasonable people left
on the left.

[stevenleser]

6. Yes, really. nt

[demmiblue]

8. This is who you are dealing with:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026951151#post7

[stevenleser]

13. I find it all so disengenuous. I got a hidden post in another thread for pointing out how

hypocritical it is for the folks demanding we not accuse Cosby without a conviction. Any of the folks doing that have been happy to accuse plenty of other folks i.e. Bush, Cheney, etc., of all kinds of things without a conviction. Why won't they do the same for the women in this situation?

I think it is a fair question. Why don't women, particularly women who have been sexually assaulted, rate in these people's minds?

[bettyellen]

19. I got alerted for saying the same!

[DeadLetterOffice]

96. I can't understand it either

The thing that really bothers me is when WOMEN don't believe other women who have been assaulted.

I mean seriously, wtf?

[bettyellen]

102. Or they have been trained into ignoring it- read the story about the Runaways, it is shameful....

the way they got those other gals to gang up on her. So awful.

[Major Nikon]

10. Results...

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Really
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6951292

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Explanation: The "left" isn't beyond criticism. Time to strap the big boy pants on.

[stevenleser]

12. I understand the frustrations of the alerter with people who are dismissive of women in this

situation. Probably not an alert-worthy post, but in general, casually dismissing the experience of these women in this situation should be hide worthy, perhaps even PPR worthy. I would argue it is approaching, if not over the line of rape apologia.

[marym625]

33. You and I seldom agree

But on this one, I agree 100% In fact, I think it is way over the line. It is more than a innocent until proven guilty in this case. It's blaming the victims and even calling them liars. So it's OK to prosecute and convict them here.

Makes me sick

[stevenleser]

93. Happy to agree with you here.

[marym625]

21. absolutely amazing

You victim blame, "Seems that his actions were horrible - cheating on his wife and all. 
I just wonder WHY these women didn't think it was risky to swallow the pills he gave them. Not blaming the victim, but just asking why ANY woman would do that and WHY if they thought they were raped, didn't they report it at the time that it happened."


If they thought they were raped? Jesus fucking christ!

You seem to think his cheating on his wife, who seems to have played a part in this, is worse than what he did to these women. Women who were little more than girls when he drugged and raped them.

Your comments in that post make me physically ill. I don't believe I have ever seen a woman on a progressive site say anything so egregious about rape.

And here you are actually saying, "Really sad that there are so few reasonable people left on the left." Absolutely mind boggling.

Let's say Dylann Roof is not guilty because only 3 people saw him shoot 9 people dead. After all, he hasn't been convicted of anything.

Cosby admitted to buying drugs and using them "to have sex" with women. 48 women have the same story. But one case from ten years ago doesn't have enough evidence to charge him, per one prosecutor, and that's enough for you?

You actually ask why didn't they report it at the time? Are you seriously asking this question? Have you any idea what a rape victim suffers through? Do you have any idea what it was like at the time of these rapes? Talk about victim blaming. Add in the fact we're talking about going after a celebrity. A larger than life, and as time went on, a beloved father figure, rich and powerful man.

I don't expect an answer to this question, because I understand how deeply personal it is, but I would like you to think about this. Have you ever been raped? Have you ever been sexually molested? Chances are, you have been. Chances are you have been more than once. Assuming you are over 30 and it happened to you more than 10 years ago, chances are you didn't report it. So was it your fault? Did you bring it on yourself?

I am disgusted with your response. You don't want to convict Cosby on a website but you have no problem whatsoever of convicting 48 women. It's absolutely disgusting.

I will take a hide on this. Your responses on this make me ill. I have been raped. Twice. I was sexually molested at the age of 5 by a neighbor boy 7 years older than I. Never reported any of it. I didn't even tell anyone about what happened when I was a child until I was 17 years old. So, according to you, I am suspect.

These women have nothing to gain from going public. Nada. Even the very few that can bring civil charges against their rapist could never receive enough money to make up for what happened to them.

Reasonable people left on the left? How is condemning a man that has admitted to buying drugs to have "sex with a woman," that has had different women throughout his career come forward to accuse him, and the women then vilified and found guilty in the press, that has 48 accusations against him, whose agent has admitted to "fixing the problems," unreasonable?

Shame on you. You disgust me. You won't accuse him but you will accuse the women, blame them and try to put doubt into the horrific experiences they had at the hands of this rapist and the people that helped him. You are a hypocrite.

[bettyellen]

62. Nailed it Mary!

[marym625]

64. Thank you. eom.

[Hekate]

68. Another case of "you and I seldom agree"-- you slammed it home, Mary.

Thanks for what you said.

What the rape apologists don't get ( or maybe they do get it and it's useful to them) is that long shocked silence is the norm, especially when the betrayal is by someone the victim trusted and someone who has a good reputation among people they both know.

I was "only" molested for "only" a year by my father whom so many loved. I was 12. I kept my silence for 20 years, and only broke it when my little girl was in danger. The consequences of speaking out rolled on and on and on. My mother never forgave me, and my brother still thinks I must be a liar, or at best exaggerating. My family of origin broke to pieces. I still have my sister, but the losses were crushing.

Bill Cosby wasn't just A father, he was the whole country's father. Loved, trusted, admired -- he bestrode the stage of this life like a god. Speaking out against that persona invites the wrath of a whole society, especially the media that can destroy an outlier like a pack of wolves.

But he's not a good father, or a sidekick/hero, or a cuddly doctor -- he only played them on TV. In real life he is a serial rapist of spectacular proportions, with a posse of protectors and enablers.

[marym625]

78. Thank you

I'm sorry about what happened to you. I'm sorry about what happened with your family. Your comparison is perfect though.

I honestly don't think I have ever seen anything here that has made me as angry as this did.

Thank you for your reply. All of it.

[bravenak]

80. Me too Mary. Me too. I feel the same way.

[marym625]

82. It's almost worse on the other post

Just disgusted.

[bravenak]

83. That poster always makes my stomach hurt.

Such an unassuming name to spew out vileness.

[marym625]

86. completely agree

I can honestly say I have never seen anything here before that is quite so vile.

[bravenak]

87. There was once a 'Slavery was awesome!' Thread.

[marym625]

88. No!

Omfg! Why is someone like that still here?

[bravenak]

89. I can't remember who wrote it.

But it was about the slaves being just like family members and shit. All happy times. Don't know if the poster is still here. Probably is though. DU Whatchagonnado eh?

[marym625]

90. unbelievable

There are no words

[mythology]

61. With such a cogent well considered argument, I can't see why anybody wouldn't flock

to your position.

Just because you state something ardently, doesn't actually make you correct.

[stevenleser]

71. Right, because the rights of the women in this situation should turn on my response to that person.

[rock]

50. I agree

The court is one of the very few ways at getting to the truth. (And unfortunately, it is not 100% reliable.)

[Codeine]

52. Not even a little surprised to see you

on the wrong side of yet another issue.

[razorman]

104. Absolutely correct. "Innocent until proven guilty" only applies to the legal system.

We are allowed to believe and say anything we want.

[HFRN]

7. his incriminating testimony has been unsealed

that makes the public legitimately his jury

i vote to convict

[stevenleser]

9. That was the coup de grace. But really, 48 women we are up to now said the woman on CNN who

was one of his early rape victims. This was on a panel with Gloria Allred on CNN yesterday.

What kind of person casually dismisses all we know with "he hasn't been convicted" given Steubenville and all the other things that women face in dealing with sexual assault?

[bettyellen]

20. Some people prefer to employ conspiracy theories when they don't like what is in front of their nose

I had a friend who was like that about OJ because she was a fan at a very young age. She didn't WANT to believe it so she didn't. She kept herself so ignorant she had no idea there was a big history of physical abuse. She would not grow up and take him off the pedestal.

[ann---]

26. Except, that's not how our

judicial system works. You may "convict" him in the
court of public opinion, but legally, he is still innocent
and all of those allegations have yet to be proven or
weighed in a court of law.

[HFRN]

29. not saying he's criminally convicted

but enough evidence has been presented to show him to be a complete scumbag beyond any reasonable doubt

being liked and respected is not a constitutional right

[ann---]

36. That's only your opinion

to which you are entitled. I said nothing about liking or respecting him.
The question was about whether it is "not right to say things about him."

I assumed the questioner meant not right to say "bad" things about
him.

Everyone has the right to express their opinion. But, those who don't
jump on the "kill Bill" wagon should be allowed to have theirs, too.

[HFRN]

37. ok, i understand your point

that his saying that he bought qualudes with the intent to give to women is not proof that he actually did it

he may have just intended to do it - LOL!

[ann---]

42. No, that's not what I said

It was a CIVIL case - because the DA in PA said today that
there was not enough evidence to charge him - whether he
intended to give them to anyone. Giving drugs to someone
is not rape.

And - giving drugs to women may be illegal, but it was just
as illegal for the women to TAKE them. Why did they do it?

No all women would take an illegal substance and think it
was perfectly normal to do so.

[DeadLetterOffice]

54. I think perhaps I shall get my first hide now...

Giving drugs to someone
is not rape.

And - giving drugs to women may be illegal, but it was just
as illegal for the women to TAKE them. Why did they do it?

No all women would take an illegal substance and think it
was perfectly normal to do so.

Giving drugs to someone can be done without their knowledge.
Taking a drug someone gave you makes it ok that you were then raped??
You don't know what the women involved were thinking, let alone that they thought it was "normal."

What the fuck is WRONG with you?

[derby378]

60. Man, oh man...

If I give drugs to a woman, and they render her unconscious, and I proceed to have my way with her without her ability to give or deny consent, that is rape. Even fondling her breasts while she's knocked out can be prosecuted as a form of sexual assault.

I don't understand some of the people on DU today, and I'm not sure I want to.

[DeadLetterOffice]

75. If you could understand all the irrational people...

... then you'd be irrational too.

best not to even try to understand some folks. It'll just make your head explode, and that's messy.

[bloom]

94. good point n/t

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

76. You had a point with the "he hasn't been convicted of anything yet". That much is true. As for

the post above. You're a fucking idiot or a troll.... or both.

I'll proudly take the hide.

Peace out!

[marym625]

79. Well said

I saw this stuff this morning and I am still absolutely flabbergasted. At least 3 of us have said we'll take a hide over this. And she just kept making it worse with almost every post

[bravenak]

81. Both!!!!!!

[Starry Messenger]

85. Yep.

[stevenleser]

97. I'm glad you and other folks saying similar things aren't getting hides. I wasn't so lucky

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6949262

it's pretty easy to get annoyed with people discounting the 48 women who were raped.

[bettyellen]

103. I love you Guy!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

113. Right back atcha' .nt

[pnwmom]

91. We are all free to form our own opinions on his guilt, and to proclaim those opinions.

He isn't innocent in the minds of most of the public, even if his wealth allowed him to make substantial settlements and escape prosecution in the courts.

[davidpdx]

11. I believe the women who came forward and it seems like too much to be a coincidence for all of them

to be saying the same thing to just dismiss it. At the same time I think reasonably one can't claim he is guilty because that legally isn't the case. It is unfortunate that the statute of limitation ran out before any of rapes could be prosecuted. Even a conviction on one case would be better than nothing.

I saw the clip with Goldberg (who I also admire) and the gal who used to be on Cosby's show discussing the case on The View. Both are very bias in favor of Cosby, no surprises there. My take is there will be no amount of evidence to sway those who believe he didn't do it.

Personally if I were a prosecutor, I'd go after the doctors and anyone else involved with the cover-up for drug charges, perjury, or obstruction of justice. Then again, I'm not a lawyer or a prosecutor.

[BKH70041]

14. I'm going with the question the way you worded it.

Do you think "It's not right to say things about Bill Cosby because he hasn't been convicted" is an acceptable position given everything we know at this time?"

Yes, it is an acceptable position, just not one I would take. And as you can see, she doesn't care if you like it or not, so I can admire her for that even though, unlike you, I don't really care for her.

Your question could have been made with fewer words:

"Do you think "It's not right to say things about Bill Cosby because he hasn't been convicted" is an acceptable position given everything we know at this time? Is it a decent way to handle 48 women accusing Cosby of similar rapes? Given what we know about Cosby admitting under oath to procuring Quaaludes in order to have sex with the women? Knowing what we know, is it a proper way to behave to treat the experience of these women and dismiss their allegations by saying "He hasn't been convicted"?"

I think that would have made your question even more clear.

[PragmaticLiberal]

15. Personally, I voted for "Don't care"

I happen to think he's guilty as hell but if someone thinks differently, well whatever.

Just not something I lose sleep over.

[Starry Messenger]

16. It's a paternalistic assertion.

Everyone knows he hasn't been convicted, so why bring it up. Over and over and over.

Rape cases very seldom make it to trial, even when the alleged perp does everything short of wear a t-shirt that says "I'm a rapist" to display his obvious involvement.

[stevenleser]

17. I love how the folks doing it are happy to accuse a ton of other folks of all kinds of things

I pointed that out and then one of those folks started accusing me of things.

I think their irony-awareness thing is broken.

[Starry Messenger]

18. Welcome to life as a woman.

We have cookies and snark, pull up a seat.

[Octafish]

22. Show where.

I'm interested in learning something from you.

[stevenleser]

53. Bettyellen did an excellent job of this already. You don't listen. Here is a link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026948301#post73

I am sure there are hundreds of examples where you have pronounced judgement on people. You're just not willing to do it in this instance and are asserting you have some sort of principle preventing you from doing so, which you don't.

[Octafish]

56. Why can't you answer for yourself?

What bettyellen wrote:

Lol- you don't apply it to the banksters and Cheney- or whoever you think killed Kennedy!! Lol

Full of baloney, you are.
Rape apology is disgusting- but not surprising though.

Nowhere does she show where I actually wrote any of that. Come to think of it, neither do you.

[stevenleser]

57. I've said the same things to you she did. You didnt listen to either of us. nt

[Octafish]

59. No. I asked you a simple question, stevenleser.

Should a journalist call a man a "rapist" when he has not been convicted of rape?

[stevenleser]

69. Asked and answered multiple times. nt

[Octafish]

72. Show where.

It is no where to be found in the three threads on the subject we've both posted on.

[tammywammy]

38. Paternalistic is a good way to describe it.

Everyone knows he's never been convicted. I'm not the government or court, so I'm free to say he's guilty.

Anyone continuing to post a "but he's never been convicted!!" is full of bullshit.

[Starry Messenger]

47. Right?

There are all kinds of people who have never been convicted for acts we all know they are responsible for. It's called pattern recognition.

We don't have any power here but our opinions. The constant throwing up of a fact everyone knows smacks of circling the wagons.

[Nye Bevan]

23. Is it OK to criticize George Zimmerman even though he was never convicted in a court of law?

It would be good to see DUers being consistent on this issue.

[ann---]

25. Difference is

Zimmerman went to trial by jury and was found not guilty.

Cosby has never been charged, convicted or found not guilty of
any crime.

What is so unreasonable about the FACTS?

[Nye Bevan]

32. Yes, a jury actually went through the process of evaluating the evidence against Zimmerman,

before concluding that he was not guilty, while no jury has ever evaluated the evidence against Cosby. So I understand that what you are saying is that Zimmerman is actually not guilty as a matter of law, while this obviously does not apply to Cosby.

[ann---]

34. According to our laws

Cosby is innocent until proven guilty - in the eyes of the law.

[Nye Bevan]

35. And Zimmerman too.

In fact, even more so with Zimmerman, because Zimmerman can never be tried again, so there is no possibility of Zimmerman ever being proven guilty. Cosby, on the other hand, could theoretically be convicted of rape.

[ann---]

39. Not quite

He was found "not guilty" in the eyes of the law, which doesn't
mean he is innocent. Just because he cannot be tried again
doesn't mean he didn't really murder Trayvon Martin in the
eyes of many people who were NOT on that jury.

All the facts of Cosby's case have not be heard nor has he had
the benefit of a legal defense at court.

If you want to convict Cosby in your mind - go right ahead.
I'll wait for more proof.

To me, he was wrong to cheat on his wife in the first place.
But, it seems all the facts are not in as to how he was able
to convince so many women to take drugs and have sex with
him - without them going to the police about it when they felt
violated.

[Nye Bevan]

45. Have you convicted Zimmerman in your mind? (nt)

[stevenleser]

51. Do you not see the hypocrisy here in what you are saying? Its right in front of you. nt

[gollygee]

73. Are you really not aware that people drug other people without their knowledge? Nt

[DeadLetterOffice]

74. It would seem not. Oy. n/t

[lame54]

24. Replace Cosby with Bush & Cheney and the answer is still no

[tavernier]

27. It just makes me very sad.

This is the same man who gave me the biggest belly laughs of my life, from childhood on. Some of his classic joke lines are still part of my vocabulary.

I guess the moral of that story is that people are not all good or all bad. Sadly, all of the smiles and the laughter that he provided are now tainted. I feel a bit like Emma Thompson's line in Love Actually: "You've made my life seem foolish."

And that's all I have to say about that.
😰

[Algernon Moncrieff]

99. In 1983, I saw Bill Cosby at Harrah's in Reno

He performed the same set that ultimately became the movie "Bill Cosby: Himself." I literally laughed so hard I cried.

Like you, I grew up listening to him talk about growing up in the projects; his brother Russell; his father; driving in San Francisco; Fat Albert; playing football at Temple; playing Buck Buck; installing aircraft engines in cars....

We let celebrities into our lives, and we think we know them. Then we find out we really knew nothing about them at all. I'm deeply saddened. I'm sad for my memories; I'm sad for Cosby's family; I'm sad for the victims -- and I'm sad for Cosby himself -- for the waste of most, if not all of the good he tried to do.

[LadyHawkAZ]

28. I'm not a court, I am allowed an opinion

and there seems to be more than enough evidence for an informed opinion.

[Orrex]

30. What if we henceforth always refer to him as "Accused rapist Bill Cosby" instead?

[ann---]

40. That would be more accurate than

rapist.

[NCTraveler]

31. What Whoopi said yesterday goes against the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

She doesn't understand the legal system in contrast with the court of public opinion. The two should in no way reflect one and other. She was attempting to address it as if it was from the public opinion standpoint, and that everyone around her was a doofus and she was enlightened. In fact, she is as wrong as it gets. Cosby is guilty in the court of public opinion. I will guarantee Whoopi, through education, would agree. Here is her education on the court of public opinion. Dear Whoopi, would you send a young woman you care about and love over to Cosbys house alone and unattended, tell her he is a sweet and fatherly figure, and tell her to sit on his lap and be sweet. There is only one answer to that. That answer goes against Whoopi and her thoughts on the topic.

To think as she is trying to put on would be a danger to herself, those she loves, and society as a whole.

Then again, Whoopi also refused to call a man who had sex with an unconscious 13 year old girl a rapist. She actually creates different tiers of rape in order to not call certain people rapists. This isn't her first time doing this.

http://jezebel.com/5369395/whoopi-on-roman-polanski-it-wasnt-rape-rape

[alphafemale]

98. Or if any young woman mentioned they were meeting Cosby in his suite before dinner

Who, even among those still wanting to give him the benefit of very last remaining sliver of doubt, would not do every thing possible to stop this young, excited woman from meeting him alone?

If not able to talk her out of meeting him altogether who would not absolutely warn her against drinking a beverage he prepared.

I would tell the young woman to keep any drink well out of his arms reach and to be careful of him trying to distract you.

[Paladin]

41. This is a political talk site, not a court of law.

And Bill Cosby is a sick, twisted, lying asshole.

[Orrex]

43. On the other hand...

He's also a self-righteous, judgmental has-been.

[Paladin]

44. No argument from me on that. (nt)

[Orrex]

46. It's so much more likely that 4 dozen independently women decided to smear him.

Those pesky dames!

[ismnotwasm]

48. No

There are far too many stories--several of them from women who didn't have to come forward, they had nothing to gain--and he'll NEVER be convicted of some of the things he's accused of, it was too long ago.
He's a pig.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

49. You'd think Cosby's defenders would want him to say more than "I don't talk about that"

No denial whatsoever of the accusations from Bill himself (only through a lawyer, and, even then, tangled in legalese and not definitive), 39 women coming forward and a 2005 admission that he bought drugs for the purpose of giving to women for sex.

Yeah, totally nothing to see here. I'm sure those drugs were totally going to be used for consensual, harmless fun.

Either he's guilty, or he has the dumbest, incomprehensibly weirdest luck of any man who ever lived.

[QuebecYank]

55. Black rant time!

As a black woman, I do sometimes wonder if blacks feel the need to defend/make excuses for some black celebs. Whoopi seems unwilling to accept any proof whatsoever. I could understand her position up until the 2005 deposition came out; now it's obvious he did drug at least one woman, so that he could have sex with her. That's rape! He refused to answer the question about if the women wanted to be drugged.
He planned it from the beginning. He acquired the drugs legally (?), and invited the women over. He's a serial rapist in my opinion, pure and simple.

[NCTraveler]

63. She made very similar and strange comments about Polanski years ago.

I posted the link upthread. I think there are very personal reasons for her saying these things, I'm just not sure what they are.

[bettyellen]

67. I think some women in show biz think everyone is trying to sleep their way to the top....

And consider anyone who has a personal relationship with someone more famous or powerful as trying to exploit it for their own gain.
And that they're taking their chances (being alone with him) and they get what they get. It's a convoluted way of taking the rapist off the hook.
But I assume so many are familiar with casting couch culture and they get fed up- and take it out on all women instead of the men who are exploitive.

[Facility Inspector]

58. where in the hell can ANYONE get 'ludes anymore?

Like 714s?

[Go Vols]

77. Nowhere

Quit making them in '84.

If you gave a woman 2 ludes,she is gonna be out in 30-40 min max.

[Rex]

65. The accused rapist Bill Cosby has been judged in the biggest courtroom on the planet.

The human court of opinion. Seem like most jurors believe he raped all those women or did something narfarious and should be held accountable. I don't know if the majority are right, but 'the accused rapist Bill Cosby' will follow him around (and his children) for the rest of his life.

My personal opinion, I think he is a hidden monster that could be preying on women to this day. I like Whoopi, but BFD that does not mean she is perfect. Nobody is correct 100% all their lives and she is wrong on this one. 48 women...I don't care if it was just ONE women...he is accused of rape and he has not even tried to counter the accusations.

One women...48 women...they all have a right to accuse their attacker and so far their accused attacker has not tried to mount any kind of defense against their claims. The fanatical defense of Bill Cosby is to be expected, some will always see him as wholesome and incapabile of doing these vile acts against innocent women.

Even when the number is 48 alleged victims.

IMO monster that needs to be exposed.

[ibegurpard]

66. I generally stay away from this topic

But I believe these women and it's not looking good for Cosby. Makes me sad. I grew up watching his stuff and it's extremely disappointing to me.

[Initech]

70. Well after 40+ women have come forward, and the fact that he was previously sued should be enough.

I guess we'll have to wait for all the facts to present themselves first.

[Liberal_in_LA]

84. when 40 people say they have been raped by the same guy.. that's enough proof

[fadedrose]

92. It hurts to think about Cosby

His wife, the women, his TV fans, etc....So disappointing. I'd rather talk about politics..

[Beringia]

95. I a glad to read this thread

and the others about Cosby. I made a post about him a long time ago and it sank, and I really wanted people's opinions on this. As for the people who say they hold judgment until it comes to a court, they can have their opinions. You can't psychoanalyze them on a message board, so who knows why they think that way. I think they are clearly in the minority, so that is something.

[Generic Brad]

100. This is the court of public opinion

I understand innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. But a long as you choose your words carefully, you should be able to say anything you want about him and avoid a defamation lawsuit.

I imagine he has few remaining supporters.

[Agnosticsherbet]

101. Each individual can choose how to treat the issue.

I think that is fair.

[JI7]

105. Whoopi is always defending these type of guys

she defended Mel Gibson and Roman Polanski also .

[akbacchus_BC]

108. So what if Whoopi is defending Cosby. What is your point?

[valerief]

106. Hell, Dubya, Jeb!, Rumfuck, and Demon Cheney haven't been convicted or even

arrested, and we should never stop attacking them for the horrors they've foisted on us.

[akbacchus_BC]

107. I think he is not guilty. Back in the days, no black

guy would attempt the shit he is being accused of! However, those women who are coming forward are fairly honest. I Just wish Cosby is not guilty but if he is, then I rest my case! Gosh, if he is really that guilty, am so sorry for his family.

[JI7]

109. he has admitted it

[akbacchus_BC]

111. Thanks. If he is guilty am astounded that the statue of limitations cannot hold his ass accountbale

Which means that the women he molested are not going to get any reprieve. That is very sad as the statute of limitations is over. Even so, when someone of his stature is accused, he should be investigated!

It begs the question -- why are these assholes allowed to get away after committing such travesty!

[CBGLuthier]

110. If I were on a jury I would be bound to not consider him guilty until examining all evidence.

I am not on a jury, will not be on a jury in this case. I am fully entitle to judge what has been said and documented and form an opinion.

I think the asshole did it. Which is a real shame because despite his pontification of the last few years I used to see him someone to be admired.

To be honest I kind of thought he did it before the deposition was released. I even kind of thought he did it years ago when the first allegations came out.

[akbacchus_BC]

112. If the asshole is guilty, I wonder if he does not feel sorry for the shit he did.

He has no empathy for the travesty he committed and the amount of lives he has ruined. I cannot imagine how those women are trying to live day to day knowing that an asshole molested them.