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Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:56 AM

WMD's my ass!

I spent 2005 a.k.a OIF3 or two Thomas (suck on this) Friedman units worth of time in Abu Ghraib prison where we brought liberty and freedom to thousands of Iraqis detained and trapped inside of fences within 18’ high walls. Abu was home of the original uprising following our invasion, the compound where Saddam and his sons executed thousands of prisoners using a gallows chamber, plain old pistols, and American made chipper-shredders. Body disposal was a huge problem for them, so the chipper-shredders were employed to grind the dead (and sometimes alive and howling) criminals into pulp and bury them within the prison grounds. Unfortunately, the stench proved untenable, and crematoria kilns were installed. I know this as I dug trench after trench to bury large electrical lines uncovering bones, rotting flesh, teeth and portions of scalps and skulls throughout the grounds. KBR had subcontracted the construction work for the detainee compounds, and all the main electrical cables were simply laid on the ground to be stomped on by our soldiers and detainees, and for vehicles to smash. You can be sure KBR was paid in full. Apparently Abu Ghraib prison was selected in July 03 by that well known incarceration expert and war pig Wolfowitz as he found it to be centrally located. The list of fuck-ups, disasters, and wanton disregard for the Iraqi people is endless. It really was a case of: Join the Army, see the world, meet interesting people and kill them. Hardy fuckin' har har.

Did the soldiers torture and humiliate prisoners before we arrived? You betchya as Palin might say. But those who ran the show – the contract employees and the officers didn't get blamed - naturally. The murders and rapes and more were never released to the public. Wonder why? Why were only the lower enlisted fried for what was an approved policy? General Karpinski was demoted for trying to tell the truth, not for any detainee abuse.

Didn't believe in the war before I went, while I was there, and certainly not after I returned. But I was a soldier, and I couldn't live with the thought of another going in my place - it's a long, complicated story. I was part of Donny Rumsfeld’s back-door draft; a stop-lossed, cross-leveled engineer sent in with the MP reserves out of NY. We had more bullets, RPG's, mortars and rockets rained on Abu Ghraib than any other spot in Iraq. It was truly a hell-hole beyond description. As one old sergeant aptly put it: “God did not create enough ‘suck’ in the entire universe for this place”. Hell even the Marines who came over from Fallujah in late 2004 told me they’d rather be back there as Abu was much worse. We were stuck behind walls like rats in a cage, with no field of vision just waiting for chunks of lead and exploding metal to land on our heads or in our midst.

I was stunned by the number of my fellow soldiers who just knew that Saddam was in cahoots with OBL and that he definitely had WMD’s. And I’m still amazed that so few Americans know that in the first part of 2005, the reservists and guard soldiers outnumbered the active duty. Ol’ Rummy was sure we were just a Friedman unit (six months) or two away from freedom breaking out all over Iraq. I’m still waiting for the flowers to land at my feet? Crooked, deceitful, ignorant all describe the administration, but first and foremost they were truly incompetent, as were most of the suck-up generals and flag officers.

We were told we were a liberating force, and not an occupying force. We were on a mission to restore America’s honor and dignity by winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people one detainee at a time. Camp Remembrance where most of the Iraqis were detained was to remind us all of those brave firemen and police officers who died on 9-11. Yet while we were there, the boy president (what’s the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, I thought they were all Muslims?) let it slip that Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks in NY. Not to be deterred, we charlie-miked (continued the mission) for the rest of the year. I had a front row view of the phony elections, drove down the broken roads and saw the murderous carnage unleashed by our war machine, and listened intently to groups of Sunni prisoners tell me around May of ‘05 that the US should leave as we were killing too many people and the Shiites were taking over. That was the point where the civil war was a done deal. Upon my return in December 2005, Fox News raged furiously against any mention of civil war in Iraq. They were only about a year late in my opinion.

I spoke out openly against the invasion much to the chagrin of many (especially the command staff) in our unit, but by the end of the tour, a great number had changed their minds. Late at night soldiers would stop by my cell (we slept in the prison due to all the mortars and rockets) to ask me if I was really serious about this whole war being a great big lie when we were back a Ft. Dix getting ready to deploy. Some told me that at first they thought I was crazy, or some kind of peacenik, but many were quickly coming to realize that they’d been fed a line of complete bullshit. Of the 5000 prisoners, um I mean detainees, we held at any given time at least half (probably much more) were not guilty of anything. Most had simply been rounded up in sweeps. Senators Schumer and Clinton were sent several letters begging them to help remove the Iraqis from Abu Ghraib as it was in violation of the Geneva conventions regarding protecting those under an army's charge and keeping them safe from harm and away from the field of battle. Crickets on that one folks, big crickets.

One direct and unintended consequence of boy George’s folly is that ISIS was formed in our prisons, er detention centers like Abu Ghraib, Cropper and Bucca. I refuse to refer to them as ISIS as they're really Al Qaeda 3.0. Why weren't any of our generals fired? Why were our politicians and media so easily fooled by the bullshit surge? I came back to a brain dead country that had no idea what was going on, much of it in our name. And on and on it goes. The myth of the surge may never die, who knows?

To sum it all up, we took a country apart; massacred its people, destroyed its valuable infrastructure; their roads, sewage systems, power grids and opened the door for Al Qaeda and other radicals to come take root. Baghdad had a brewery before we invaded. That’s right folks, we went after the Arab country that allowed beer! Christians openly owned liquor stores and sold it quietly to their neighboring Muslims. I first met our favorite interpreter David while sharing dinner. I asked him, David isn’t a Muslim name is it? He said no, it was Hebrew. He told me he had converted as a young man and his family was OK with his decision and that there were tens of thousands of Jewish people living peacefully in Iraq before the war began. Sunnis and Shiites intermarried, the Yazidis weren’t being persecuted and for the most part, Iraq was secular and modern. That’s why OBL hated Saddam. Was Saddam a good guy? Hell no. But we decided to destroy an Arab country that was far more progressive than many of its neighbors, and unleashed a civil war from hell, the consequences of which have yet to be fully formed or even understood. And they had beer. Even more importantly, Iraq had NO WMD’s.

So when some dip-shit repuke tries to thank me for defending our freedom, I am no longer polite. I tell them: "No, let me thank you for voting for the bastards who led us into a terrible war, where millions of Iraqis lie dead and homeless and suffering, where our treasure was hemorrhaged to feed KBR and other private war profiteers and where my buddies and I came back broken both physically and psychically. And now we're expected to man-up and be quiet about all that shit?"

And if a democrat dares to thank me, I simply reply: "You have got to be fucking kidding me right? Because if you don't know what a terrible insult that is, well lend me your ear, and I'll tell you a little bit about what war is really like, and I am positive you won't enjoy it one goddamned bit!"

And I always ask, "What the hell did the people of Iraq ever do to the people of the USA?"

Time again to exhale - The Shadow Mayor

Note: Friedman when asked by Charlie Rose what we should be saying to the Iraqi people when we were kicking down their doors and terrifying them in the dark of night replied: “Tell them to suck on this” which makes him a first-class war pig. He also kept telling America that the war was going to turn around in the next six months, or as it is now known as, 1 Friedman unit.

This post was originally my response to a post by Quixote1818 about a Facebook message: Veteran Has Had It With Republicans: ‘Don’t You Dare Thank Me For My Military Service’ by Jim Adams. I’ve added some background to the original post. Le Taz Hot and several others encouraged me to make this an OP. Thanks to all for your encouragement. Please feel free to use this or disseminate freely as you see fit.

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Reply WMD's my ass! (Original post)
shadowmayor Jul 2015 OP
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #1
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #2
Wellstone ruled Jul 2015 #3
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #4
Wellstone ruled Jul 2015 #7
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #5
tblue37 Jul 2015 #6
polly7 Jul 2015 #8
n2doc Jul 2015 #9
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #10
They_Live Jul 2015 #11
Applan Jul 2015 #12
mountain grammy Jul 2015 #13
uwep Jul 2015 #14
heaven05 Jul 2015 #17
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #19
SoapBox Jul 2015 #23
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #24
shadowmayor Jul 2015 #20
AikidoSoul Jul 2015 #30
rtracey Jul 2015 #43
snooper2 Jul 2015 #38
L0oniX Jul 2015 #48
Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #15
heaven05 Jul 2015 #16
bluesbassman Jul 2015 #18
KT2000 Jul 2015 #21
jomin41 Jul 2015 #22
N_E_1 for Tennis Jul 2015 #25
catchnrelease Jul 2015 #26
passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #27
Enthusiast Jul 2015 #28
AikidoSoul Jul 2015 #29
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #31
Stuart G Jul 2015 #32
Stardust Jul 2015 #33
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #34
seveneyes Jul 2015 #35
Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #36
Hydra Jul 2015 #37
Skittles Jul 2015 #39
AwakeAtLast Jul 2015 #40
Duppers Jul 2015 #41
Thespian2 Jul 2015 #42
Nitram Jul 2015 #44
Octafish Jul 2015 #45
padfun Jul 2015 #46
JDPriestly Jul 2015 #47
davekriss Jul 2015 #49

Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:11 PM

1. Kick and HUGE Rec.

Off to the Greatest Page with you!

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:15 PM

2. Kick

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:17 PM

3. This is one of the really true stories coming out of Iraq.

A friend of ours was pulled out of Retirement and sent to that hell hole to be a Interpreter. After his stint which was some six months,he came back a total beaten down person. His comment to us was,we were committing War Crimes,and he was so depressed that he passed away less than six months after his return. His body was destroyed by cancer and his depression sure as hell did not help.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:20 PM

4. And all in the name of profit.

I don't know how anyone can send people to their deaths for profit and still be a member of the human race.

REMEMBER WHO VOTED "YES" ON THE IWR.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:45 PM

7. And to think we were going to spend

our retirements together scrounging through the woods and fishing as we did in our late teen years.

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:26 PM

5. Keeping this kicked

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:34 PM

6. Thank you for your service--TO THE TRUTH! nt

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:47 PM

8. Excellent post. K&R. nt.

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:02 PM

9. Thank you for the truth n/t

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:13 PM

10. Kick

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:31 PM

11. K & R

I'm glad you posted this on its own.

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:42 PM

12. Brilliant truth telling post

Your quote sums it up very well:

"No, let me thank you for voting for the bastards who led us into a terrible war, where millions of Iraqis lie dead and homeless and suffering, where our treasure was hemorrhaged to feed KBR and other private war profiteers and where my buddies and I came back broken both physically and psychically. And now we're expected to man-up and be quiet about all that shit?"

And this is so true:

"One direct and unintended consequence of boy George’s folly is that ISIS was formed in our prisons"

Thank you!

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:43 PM

13. K & R

I read and responded when this was a comment on the other thread. Happy to see this as an OP, as it should be.

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:48 PM

14. I call BS on this statement

"Senators Schumer and Clinton were sent several letters begging them to help remove the Iraqis from Abu Ghraib as it was in violation of the Geneva conventions regarding protecting those under an army's charge and keeping them safe from harm and away from the field of battle. Crickets on that one folks, big crickets."

I have never seen a copy of any of these supposed letters, and I, who was against the invasion, followed Hillary intensely. Do you have proof. If not comments like these are inflammatory.

Hillary signed the document that sent shrub and his minions to war, but if you read the document, it did not give him authorization to invade until a second UN agreement, which never happened. GWB is a war criminal going against the congressional authorization and the UN charter. Signing the authorization was not agreeing that Iraq should be invaded. Both the current UN inspector and the previous UN inspector told GWB and the neo cons that there was no there, there.

There are things about the other Democratic candidates that are just as inflammatory, but I refuse to spew this type of muck.

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Response to uwep (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:02 PM

17. really

 

the whole point is missed by you. Nice try on the BS about "authorization" ect, blah, blah, blah..geez

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Response to uwep (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:04 PM

19. Keep classy, dude.



You just pissed all over this thread for the sake of Party Loyalty. You guys have no shame and no conscience.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #19)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:37 PM

23. Plus a bazzilion!

Aren't they just shameful?!?

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #23)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:40 PM

24. Shameful doesn't even begin to cover it.

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Response to uwep (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:12 PM

20. So sorry

This was not meant as an anti-Hillary jab. Just an observation about how the NY Senators wouldn't respond to soldiers from their state. I don't know if the Senators actually saw the letters, perhaps their staffers tossed them out? Who knows? But what I can personally attest to, is the fact that several NCO's (myself included) were signatories to letters to Senators Clinton and Schumer specifically regarding the removal of detainees from the combat zone. The Bush team kept on and on about how detainees weren't in the same category as civilians or POW's and used this ruse to stifle our requests. Even the Red Cross was far too reticent on this matter. Bottom line, I was there, I signed some of the letters and you weren't. Sending these letters posed a great risk to us, and the powers that be were always on the alert for "subversive" actions and criticisms of the war effort. It could be possible that our mailings were interfered with as well, I wouldn't be surprised. I do know that the New Yorkers in my unit sent many letters to their elected officials to no avail whatsoever.

The Shadow Mayor

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Response to uwep (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 03:35 PM

30. What a load of doo doo!

I have never seen a copy of any of these supposed letters, and I, who was against the invasion, followed Hillary intensely. Do you have proof. If not comments like these are inflammatory.


No matter how "closely" you followed Hillary Clinton there is no way on God's earth that you could know every letter she received from the general public.

And you need to learn how to properly punctuate your writing.

I wish you would delete your post as it contaminates an excellent thread.

Shame.

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Response to AikidoSoul (Reply #30)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:05 AM

43. Although I agree

 

Although I agree with your statement that "No matter how "closely" you followed Hillary Clinton there is no way on God's earth that you could know every letter she received from the general public. ", I do not agree with your statement "I wish you would delete your post as it contaminates an excellent thread." . The great thing about this forum and this country is we can respond to something that we think may be correct, or incorrect. I, myself would have stated "in my opinion", but in my opinion, his/her thread does not contaminate this thread.

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Response to uwep (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:12 PM

38. it's an art form

 

we know about the bullshit that happened-

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Response to uwep (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:39 AM

48. Enjoy your stay.

 

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:54 PM

15. Thanks for the truth, keep spreading it!

Off to FB so my RW High School buddies can read it!

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:59 PM

16. BAM!!!!!

 

the honest to the bone truth of GWB-CHENEY-PNAC adventurism in Iraq. This really needs wide circulation. Thank You for the TRUTH

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:04 PM

18. Thanks for sharing your experience and insight.

Clusterfuck doesn't begin to cover what happened and is continuing to happen over there, and I appreciate vets like you telling the story of what it was actually like on the ground.

Be well Brother.

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:21 PM

21. Big K&R

I am speechless at the honesty of this. Thanks for posting it.

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:35 PM

22. Thanks for posting. k&r

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 03:00 PM

25. Thank you for sharing...

I will use for educational purposes. Well written. Thanks again

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 03:04 PM

26. Glad you reposted, thanks.

Bookmarked for future use.

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 03:14 PM

27. Incredible post

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 03:19 PM

28. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 03:30 PM

29. This should be published in other alternative press venues

as it has a powerful impact.

Thank you for re-posting this to its own thread.

Bookmarked, recommended, and passed on to others.

Am so glad you came along Shadowmayor. Glad to meet you.

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 05:22 PM

31. Kick

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 05:23 PM

32. K and R...thanks for posting....

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 05:31 PM

33. K&R

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:55 PM

34. Kick for the night crew

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:01 PM

35. You pay for this and they give you that ...

 

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:03 PM

36. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, shadowmayor.

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:10 PM

37. Thank you for reposting as a full OP

I tried hard to get something going against the torture here and in the real world, but nobody wanted to believe it, or if they did, they didn't want to so anything about it.

Thank you for verifying what those of us back home always feared was true.

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:53 PM

39. fuck EVERYONE who is willing to give the IWR yes-voters a pass

seriously, SHAME ON YOU

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:09 AM

40. Thank you for posting

I am an OIF Veteran's wife. He was in TQ 05-06. I posted here throughout his deployment. We are still dealing with issues from what he went through.

Thank you for shedding light on something that a lot of Americans have conveniently forgotten, especially the veterans and their families.

Words cannot express my sincere respect for your courage and bravery.



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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:49 AM

41. Wow! Recommended 100x.

Grateful for you and your enlightening post. I'll be passing this on with due credit.


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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:04 AM

42. K & R!!!

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:16 AM

44. Tell it like it is.

I'm still angry, and will never stop being angry about it.

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:18 AM

45. ''Tell them to suck on this.'' -- Thomas Friedman

Friedman the turd should be in prison making little rocks out of big ones for the rest of his natural days, along with the rest of the PNAC warmonger crew.

They are not Untermenschen, Thomas. Arabs are human beings.

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:38 AM

46. It is one of the worse decisions of all time.

Probably next to putting out that last fire about 30,000 years ago.

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Response to shadowmayor (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:31 AM

47. K&R.

You need to send your post in a letter to Jeb Bush personally.

He has to understand that there are many people in this country who, like you, know exactly what his brother and their band of thieves did and that you are going to let the people of the United States hear the truth about the Bushes loud and clear when Jeb runs.

Average Americans have no idea.

Your post is moving. Thanks

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #47)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:46 PM

49. Kicked and recommended!

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